Texas Republican Leaders Think Gay Marriage Leads to Polygamy, Incest and Pedophilia

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Jose Antonio Navas
These two women just got married. So now everyone's probably going to go crazy.

We already knew homosexuality was pretty much the same thing as alcoholism. But now, top Texas GOP leaders inform us that allowing gay marriage would be akin to allowing polygamy, incest and pedophilia, according to a brief filed by members of the Texas Conservative Coalition in support of Texas' ban on gay marriages.

Included on list of those who signed the document are lieutenant governor candidate Dan Patrick and several other top party names, totaling 63 Texas Republican politicians who think that if gay people marry the world would completely fall apart.

The brief was filed with the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which is considering an appeal to the U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia's decision this year against the state's marriage ban. The Texas Conservative Coalition showed its opposition to similar "morally reprehensible" actions:

Another ground cited by supporters of Texas' marriage laws and subsequently dismissed by the district court is that recognition of same-sex marriage "could lead to the recognition of bigamy, incest, pedophilia, and group marriage. As already discussed in this brief, restrictions on marriage relating to these moral considerations remain valid. Thus, the goal of actively trying to prevent those practices from becoming valid is entirely rational public policy.

The brief argues that opening up marriage to choice could allow people to choose younger, more and closely related partners. "If the right to select 'partners of their choosing' is the criterion used to invoke marriage as a fundamental right, then marriage restrictions on age, polygamy and consanguinity are also ripe for challenge," says the brief. Of course by that logic, it's a good thing most parents still arrange their kids' marriages.

Dan Quinn, a spokesperson for Texas Freedom Network, says the same arguments were made in the Loving vs. Virginia case for interracial marriage. "History has not been kind to those who spoke out against interracial marriage. I think history will judge the anti-gay rhetoric just as harshly," says Quinn.

Quinn is hardly the first to note the rehashed language. A number of legal scholars have pointed out the similarity in rhetoric used by opponents of interracial marriage.

"The argument is dominated by activists who insist that gay people should be second class citizens in this country. And they trot out the same vile rhetoric on any issue having to do with LGBT people," says Quinn. "They can repeat it as much as they want but it doesn't make it true."

"You think they'd know better by now," he said. "For the life of me it's hard to imagine why two gay people marrying is such a danger to someone else's marriage."

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JackJett
JackJett

One should never expect to find an accurate depiction about how our city feels on social issues by the comments here.  Don't be fooled by "alternative". 

Far more rational conversations can be found on the DMN blog. 


The Village Voice branding can be so misleading. While they may own it, they do NOT operate it.  Honestly, I am not even sure some of these comments represent Republican's.  I might even go so far as to say they may not represent the Tea Party. 


And to show you how open and honest I am about my hypocrisy.  I haven't even read them......this round.  I have been so busy with the rest of "teh gays" creating this new Ebola virus, as well as promoting man/animal marriage, earthquakes, serial killers, hurricanes, wars in the middle east, poppers and generally destroying western civilization.

bvckvs
bvckvs topcommenter

Most Republicans don't REALLY believe that stuff.  They just like saying it to fire up the Democrats' pervert chorus to drown out rational criticism of the GOP.

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ozma207
ozma207

From the College Republican National Committee's post-mortem after the 2012 election:


"Perhaps no topic has gotten more attention with regards to the youth vote than the issue of gay marriage. And on this issue, the conventional wisdom is right: young people are unlikely to view homosexuality as morally wrong, and they lean toward legal recognition of same-sex relationships. Only 21% of young voters in the Spring 2012 Harvard Institute of Politics survey felt that religious values should play a more important role in government, and only 25% felt homosexual relationships were wrong."


SOURCE: http://images.skem1.com/client_id_32089/Grand_Old_Party_for_a_Brand_New_Generation.pdf

ozma207
ozma207

What this brief does most clearly illustrate is that these Republican "leaders" can't see that Americans are increasingly and rapidly changing their views on same-gender marriage, most especially among younger voters.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

The argument of same sex marriage is a fundamental point:

If the State grants rights and priviledges based on marriage to one set of people (adult, consenting male:female), those rights should be available to every set of people (adult, consenting male:male or female:female) who elect to enter into marriage.

If anyone objects to granting those rights to every set of people, get the State out of the equation. Remove the special rights and priviledges.

If those rights and priviledges remain, they must be available to everyone.

ozma207
ozma207

@bvckvs There's no shortage of rational criticism of the Republican Party beginning with their anti-intellectualism.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@mavdog Marriage and families are the building block of society.  Just look at the destructive effects a household often has because of an absent father, or no father at all.


The state grants certain rights to married people because it reinforces the value of married people and families and children.  And, those benefits are available to anyone who is legally married.  (Of course, the IRS punishes marriages.)

Those benefits are not available to people not legally married.  But, benefits to a lot of people in our country that are not available to those who don't qualify. 

I just don't see a problem with that. 



noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @bvckvs I would suggest Milton Friedman, Bill Buckley, Henry Kissinger, Ann Armstrong, George H.W. Bush, Dr. Rufus Fears of O.U., Jack Stieber of SMU, and countless elected officials and professionals are "intellectuals" without the pompous, narcissistic, arrogant, and self-proclaimed superiority over others. 

I have found most Democrat "intellectuals" to be seriously flawed when it comes to reality, or understanding other points of view with which they disagree. There are some, like Alan Dershowitz and Richard Fisher, who are intelligent as well as practical conveyers of highly sophisticated and complicated points of view.  

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

Marriage and families are the building block of society

all the more reason to allow for same sex couples to marry and raise a family. a same sex couple is no more likely to end up as a single parent household. children of same sex couples do just as well as those who are in a traditional household.

The state grants certain rights to married people because it reinforces the value of married people and families and children

those same goals are realized with same sex couples, who do have children BTW both thru prior marriage, medical assistance and adoptions.

There is no valid basis to deny an equal right to enjoy the benefits given by the State. Either stop bestowing those rights to a select group of people or extend those rights and benefits to all people. 

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @mavdog The "marriage and families are the building block of society" (e.g. tradition) theme has been used repeatedly by states defending their laws that prevent same-gender couples from marrying and every court has noted that tradition alone is an insufficient basis for curtailing individual liberty in choosing who one wants to marry.

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 @bvckvs " have found most Democrat 'intellectuals' to be seriously flawed when it comes to reality, or understanding other points of view with which they disagree."


This is what psychologists call "projection". One of the most clear test cases is the inflation or hyperinflation that numerous right-wing economists and politicians have been predicting any minute since late 2009. Meanwhile, its complete absence has been met with almost zero admission of being wrong.

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 @bvckvs "PRINCETON, NJ -- The majority of Republicans in the United States do not believe the theory of evolution is true and do not believe that humans evolved over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. This suggests that when three Republican presidential candidates at a May debate stated they did not believe in evolution, they were generally in sync with the bulk of the rank-and-file Republicans whose nomination they are seeking to obtain."


SOURCE: http://www.gallup.com/poll/27847/majority-republicans-doubt-theory-evolution.aspx

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas The good news is that the GOP is hardly a monolithic and unitary philosophical arena.  I think what they cited was a much more evidenciary indicator of lousy educations, and probably less of party uni-think. 


Ask the elected officials and long-time leadership of the GOP, and they'd mostly disagree with the YRs.

ozma207
ozma207

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas Exactly right, mavdog. The idea that families only come in the form of man, woman and children only illustrates someone's lack of awareness of how society really works.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas @mavdog Think about it.  No enclave in our country stands more on traditional precedence that the courts.  Yet, they would discount thousand of years of successful recognitions of men and women (not to each other, of course). It's a little hypocritical. 


Marriage is not, and never has been, about loving each other or playing house or presents.  It's about the continuation of the species through legitimate families with a mother and father, and some legal aspects in the community such as inheritance rights.  Marriage has also been about the early versions of "genetic purity".  This is why the state, in most countries, gets involved in licensing and recording marriages. 


Violating marriage laws, and their purpose, are not a matter of individual liberty, any more than a man getting into the life boats of a sinking vessel ahead of the women and children. 


I see the point, but given the history and thousands of years of law -- including those countries today, traditional marriage is not a matter of tradition as much as it is a human acceptance of a successful worldwide practice.  

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas @bvckvs Inflation is absolutely already in gear and well on the march. 


Interest rates have been artificially kept low to offset the advance of poverty in our country by record rates.  But, lower interest rates must eventually be raised, or the economy will crash and burn. 

Obama's policies, wrongheaded as they are, have actually perpetuated our economic problems, and further forced more people into poverty and/or welfare. 

It may be good that the Fed can "force" interest rates to remain low, but eventually the public pays the high costs of that strategy, and that is inflationary, as is raising the Minimum Wage, as is rising credit card interest, despite the ever-increasing line of credit. 

Don't worry, inflation will be officially our of control shortly.  But, we already have a great deal of it. 

 



noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas @bvckvs Most Republicans are Christians and Jews. Both religions believe in Creationsim as opposed to evolution.  And, recently, there was more evidence of this when it was discovered Noah had delivered to him pure and uncompromised representations of each *type* of animal. When one couples the finding of Noah's Ark in Iran, more proof is produced that his mission was more than a group of Bible verses.

AIPAC-SUX-GREEN-PEEN
AIPAC-SUX-GREEN-PEEN

@noblefurrtexas Hey pumkin furry...Is this the way you Baptista's procreate?  I didn't know when you were bragging about your virgin mary that mary was your Labrador Retriever. Read Corinthian's and get back with only NOT on Grindr this time.



CEO of Baptist center fired after arrest for arranging dog sex encounter on Craigslist



 
  • The president and CEO of a Missouri Baptist conference center is out of a job after a sheriff’s Cyber Crimes Task Force arrested him for allegedly arranging to have sex with a dog after posting an ad on Craigslist .

Jerald “Jerry” Hill, 56, of Camden County was arrested on  Aug. 5th after setting up a meeting with an undercover officer for the purpose of  having sex with a dog, according to the Columbia Daily Tribune.

According to Boone County sheriff’s Detective Tracy Perkins, her office  received a tip that someone was seeking sex with a dog or other type of animal — which she did not specify — on Craigslist. An undercover officer exchanged emails with Hill offering a dog for sex. Subsequently, Hill was taken into custody in Columbia, MO., when he arrived anticipating a sexual tryst.

Following his arrest, Hill was released on $1,000 bond.

Hill is currently listed as the president and CEO of the Windermere Baptist Conference Center, located in Roach, Missouri, which issued a statement saying that they were supportive and grateful for his work, but were worried about how the impact of his arrest would reflect on the center.

“We are concerned for the well-being of Jerry…and we are also concerned with the well-being of Windermere,” Chairman Arthur Mallory said. “Windermere will continue to function in a good way…. It is a significant piece of God’s kingdom’s work.”

Mallory added that the board would meet next week and begin the process of looking for a new president and CEO.

Hill faces charges of  attempted unlawful sex with an animal and attempted animal abuse.

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 These "YRs" are the College National Republican Committee and this 94-page report was produced in an effort to understand how Mitt Romney lost.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas @Montemalone @mavdog

So you're advocating for the repeal of the right to divorce, right? If we're gonna save marriage from the homosexuals, shouldn't we save it from the hets first?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

Homosexual relationships don't break up????I didn't know that. :)
I didn't either. where are you reading anyone make that claim?

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @mavdog Of course they do EXACTLY like ALL relationships. That's how fundamentally the same they are to those that people want to argue should be privileged with special recognition by the State.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 @mavdog Lets take a look at the other aspects of this so sacred tradition that you bring up, namely the legal aspects and inheritance rights.

I would ask what legal aspects of the thousands of years old marriage tradition are still in place by US law only to married couples (other than the marriage itself)?  I would submit that none of them are.  Inheritance certainly isn't decided by either patriarchal or matriarchal lines anymore, it is clearly and legally defined in a will or trust or other such legal instrument.  Continuation of species will happen whether or not we have marriage in place.  Lions and tigers and bears (oh, my!) don't have marriage and their species continues.  Genetic purity and genetics in general haven't seemed to benefit from protection of traditional marriage.  We will always have interracial breeding (a good thing, by the way), and we will always be plagued by inbreeding (probably not so good).  This will occur whether we recognize gay marriage, bestiality or people who want to marry their motorcycles.

The point mav was making is that the law cannot be bound by tradition if that tradition creates unnecessary inequality between people.  Refusing equal rights to gay couples is unnecessary, doing so does nothing to protect or advance society, whereas recognizing them will do nothing to destroy or retard society.  In light of that, regardless of my personal feelings on the matter, I would have to come to the conclusion that same-sex marriage should be given fair and equal treatment under the law as hetero marriages.

AIPAC-SUX-GREEN-PEEN
AIPAC-SUX-GREEN-PEEN

@noblefurrtexas Is this your Brother/Sister/Donkey Billy Furrballer.

Two Christian Preachers Busted for Sex Scandals


Two preachers have been busted for sex scandals in the past two days. Tony Alamo was hit with a $525 million default judgment against his church and the apartment that housed it.

The civil suit stems from the conviction of evangelist Tony Alamo who is currently serving a 175-year prison sentence in Tucson after having been convicted in 2009 on 10 counts of sex trafficking minors.

The Arkansas lawsuit named Alamo, Twenty First Century Holiness Tabernacle Church and Jeanne Estate Apartments as defendants. The $525-million default judgment in actual and punitive damages was ordered against the church.

The lawsuit claimed negligence against the church and apartment company for not stopping Alamo, for defamation, and false imprisonment

The church and the apartments now face having their property taken and sold in order to collect the judgment.

Alamo was guilty of twisting scripture first.

In 2009, Alamo was convicted on 10 counts of interstate transportation of minors for illegal sexual purposes, rape, sexual assault, and contributing to the delinquency of minor. Followers of Alamo testified that he had taken an eight year-old girl as one of his wives.

Alamo has said puberty signified an age of consent and that there was nothing in Bible that prohibited polygamy.

“If you can find anything in the Bible about fire and brimstone for the practice of polygamy, then I’ll give you $250,000 in cash. Adultery is condemned, but not polygamy.” he told John C. Williams of the Arkansas Times.

Unfortunately, the Bible also says that Christians were to obey the authorities and that they were ordained by God to punish the wrongdoing. And Jesus warned of the direst punishments for anyone who caused children to stumble.

Another preacher, Bill Gothard, was suspended and placed on administrative leave after allegations of sexual harassment, mismanagement, and deception dating back over 30 years were published on a website, Recovering Grace.

One allegation claims that Gothard molested an under-aged woman in the early 1990s. Additional allegations charge Gothard with sexual harassment and failure to report child abuse to Child Protective Services.

In a statement posted this week, board chairman Billy Boring told World magazine: “After completion of the review, the board will respond at an appropriate time, and in a biblical manner.” Until then, the statement said, Gothard “will not be involved in the operations of the ministry. The board of directors will be prayerfully appointing interim leadership.”

Gothard  founded the Institute in Basic Life Principles in the early sixties and has been a strong proponent of home-schooling, conservative dress, respect for authority, and aversion to debt.  Additionally Gothard used his Advanced Training Institute conferences to advocate for the Quiverfull movement which encourages large families and discourages the use of birth control.

The ministry has lost millions of dollars in the last few years due to a dropoff in donations.

Two wolves in sheeps clothing are now paying the price

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 @mavdog No marriage isn't about "the continuation of the species" as there are zero examples of marriage laws in the United States (or anywhere else that I'm aware of) that puts the potential for reproduction as a condition on obtaining state permission.

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas As I said. Your "interest rates have been artificially kept low" claim/excuse is one that has been being made for years by conservatives despite the fact that inflation keeps not happening.

PotRoast4Jeebus
PotRoast4Jeebus

@noblefurrtexas Christian's believe jews will burn in hell but need them as a stepping stone to heaven for self created end times. Most jew's think christian's are batshit crazy but will take $$ from any source. 


Religion creates an awesome tax free outlet for mongers of hate, money, war, and the building of solid gold pedestals in which one can pay a few $$ to feel superior through judge mental bullshit and the freakiest fairy tales.   It doesn't matter if you worship Mary and her little lamb or Mary and her virgin poon as long as you have an open wallet and a closed mind.  


You are aware that the Iranian's are hiding nuclear weapons inside noah's ark and using their children as human shields.  How 'bout them Cowboy's? 

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 @bvckvs "Both religions believe in Creationsim as opposed to evolution." Sorry, but creationism isn't part of the Nicene Creed which is what we say every Sunday in the Episcopal church where I'm a member. It's entirely possible to reconcile religion and science which Republicans increasingly refuse to do, at least within the hearing of the Religious Right.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@AIPAC-SUX-GREEN-PEEN @noblefurrtexas I'm not a Catholic.  And, right here in Dallas, we've had four or five ministers of several denominations disgraced with a variety of indiscretion. The same thing is true of ministers that is true of politicians - only fewer.  


Again, I don't see the point.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 Speaking only for myself, I think we know why he lost.  But, it's interesting that a large percentage of Americans would prefer Mitt Romney today to Obama. 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@Montemalone @noblefurrtexas @mavdog I'm for retraining couples about the damage done by divorce to families, children, society, ethical and moral standards, and the idea that a marriage contract is something to be honored. 


But, I also know that's "old fashioned" thinking to many people who don't care about those things.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@RTGolden1 @noblefurrtexas @ozma207 @mavdog RT, every year, countless numbers of Americans dies without a written will.  The only claims survivors and heirs have is government records showing them to be related to the deceased. 


Marriage still has legal protections codified in statutory law that impacts married people as opposed to others, and offers some protection against assaults to marriage and family sanctity. 


I think I agree that marriage protections in law, and isolated from offspring and inheritance issues,  are slowly being diminished.  But, many are still in place. 

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

@AIPAC-SUX-GREEN-PEEN @noblefurrtexas

Can't forget Ted Haggard! Stalwart of the republican leadership, busted for snorting various powders up his hose holes and taking his masseurs manhood in other holes. All while "happily" married and raising kids and leading some big church.

Praze Jeebus and Marriage is Only for Straight Folks.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas @mavdog That particular reason was established thousands of years ago, and reinforced by the Catholic Church as well as other religions and civil authorities worldwide. 

However, I left out two other important reasons for marriage; it licensed sex between a man and a woman, and told the rest of the tribe/community/neighborhood that the woman was "taken" and not to be approached for sex. 

Makes perfect sense when you think about it. 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 If we were to take our fingers off the scale, and allow interest rates to seek their natural levels, both runaway inflation and explosive interest rates would be in play. 


As it is, we've postponed the impact of inflation somewhat, but only as much as what we can procrastinate in terms of disaster. 

I can't predict the future, but I'd wager that science and the Judeo-Christian version of Creation will continue to get closer as they have for years.  



noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas @bvckvs I don't recall belief in either to part of the Nicene Creed.  We also repeat it in our church. 


More and more, science and Genesis are reinforcing each other.  That Genesis gives the order of the creation of the world, and science confirms that order, is in the miraculous file of paranormal developments.

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 Not really. President Obama is in office, not Mitt Romney, and he'll be in office until noon on January 20th, 2017. From 2005:


"The White House has said it doesn't pay attention to poll numbers and the figures do not affect policy.


'We have a proud record of accomplishment and a positive agenda for the future,' White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters Wednesday.


'We look forward to continuing to talk about it. I mean, you can get caught up in polls; we don't. Polls are snapshots in time.'"


SOURCE: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/14/bush.poll/

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 @mavdog It makes perfect sense when you decide that women are, in essence, property instead of autonomous beings. Why do you think the question "Who gives this woman to be married?" is such a staple in Christian wedding ceremonies?

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 "If we were to take our fingers off the scale, and allow interest rates to seek their natural levels, both runaway inflation and explosive interest rates would be in play."


In other words, the facts aren't important as to the lack of inflation. What matters is what you believe and in order to believe you have to subscribe to an evidence-free conspiracy theory.

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 @bvckvs 

"Many Conservative rabbis embrace the term theistic evolution, and most reject the term intelligent design. Conservative rabbis who use the term intelligent design in their sermons often distinguish their views from the Christian fundamentalist use of this term. Like most in the scientific community, they understand 'intelligent design' to be a technique by fundamentalist Christians to insert religion into public schools and to attack science, as admitted in the Intelligent Design movement's wedge strategy position papers.


In contrast to fundamentalist views, Conservative Judaism strongly supports the use of science as the proper way to learn about the physical world in which we live, and thus encourages its adherents to find a way to understand evolution in a way that does not contradict the findings of peer-reviewed scientific research."


SOURCE: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewsevolution.html

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas Obama is easily the worst president in our history.  He has been the least productive, and has had the most deceitful and secretive administration ever. 

Not only has he dropped to the very bottom in polling on job approval, but polls about his impact on American policy are worse than any president in history. 

Most Americans are counting the days until he's gone, and we can begin to repair the enormous damage he has done to everything from the economy to the constitutional separation of powers. 

Polls are certainly snap shots.  But, they are also data point indicators. 

ozma207
ozma207

@Chattering_Monkey @noblefurrtexas @Montemalone @mavdog A great deal of drama and literature since there were such things is driven by them, see Solomon and Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11).

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 Thanks.  I didn't know that. 


Between Christians, Jews, and scientists, there is a substantial dispute as to how long it took to create the Earth, and how old the Earth was when Adam first appeared in the Garden of Eden. 

I don't have answers for these conflicts and others in the Bible.  But, I take it on faith that it would be pointless for God to deceive us Christians and Jews). 

 



ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 "Obama is easily the worst president in our history."


That is your own opinion. It's not the judgment of historians. As to your list, it's specifically wrong on the alleged damage to the economy. Aside from the fact that no president has buttons and dials on their Oval Office desk to control the world's largest economy, the actual data shows that although the recovery from the 2008 financial crisis has been brutal and unnecessarily slow, it has been recovering since early in Mr. Obama's first term.

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 The documents which were culled out and given the imprimatur of scripture for both Jews and Christians are not science and aren't a substitute for science. Evolution is the linchpin of biology as a scientific discipline and declaring that one "doesn't believe" in evolution, as have numerous Republican elected officials means you don't "believe" in science as a human process.

ozma207
ozma207

@noblefurrtexas @ozma207 Of course, this has nothing to do with the topic of Texas Republican "leaders" and their wrong-headedness on the issue of marriage equality.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas Global Warming isn't a science, either.  But, there sure are a lot of supposedly-smart people who worship at the altar without proof -- or much of any proof. 


The Bible isn't intended to be a science text, although we keep discovering how correct it is.  I've been fortunate enough to travel to Israel and around the Middle East several times.  On each visit, I am always surprised at how the archeologists and paleontologists have proved the Bible correct. 

That confirmation begins with Genesis which correctly reports the order in which living things appeared on the planet.  Some old Jewish men like Moses couldn't randomly come up with the story of Creation by accident. Heck, they didn't even have thermometers the nature of gravity back then.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ozma207 @noblefurrtexas I think for a great many Christians and Jews, myself included, it's difficult to reconcile certain passages in Genesis with scientific belief, and to uncover the truth. 

The disposition of many areas in Genesis has already been dispatched.  But, somethings are just different than others in terms complexity. 



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