How Would I Feel If the Gaza Strip Were in Maypearl? Stupid Question?

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What if the Gaza Strip were in Maypearl?

On my way from work to City Hall I drive by the Palestinian demonstrations in Dealey Plaza. At home in the evening I see Texas Governor Rick Perry (not my favorite guy) on the TV news leading a rally for Israel.

The anchorman on the TV news shows me a map of the area around Dallas and points to how close the rocket-launchers in Gaza would be if Dallas were Tel Aviv. He says Gaza would be in Hillsboro. Interesting. I go to my computer later and measure. Looks to me more like Gaza would be in Maypearl, about 45 miles from my house. Damn. Rocket launchers in Maypearl.

He could have shown me a map of the area around Baylor Hospital near my neighborhood so I could see how much of the hospital would be destroyed in a typical Israeli bombing strike, but he doesn't do that.

Can I, an American living in the soft comfort of American isolation and safety, really get what's going on at my own gut level? My instincts as a local government reporter make me want to read wonk literature about it, and so I do, but it does me little good, I'm afraid. The last thing I read was by John B. Judis, Genesis: Truman, American Jews and the Origins of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, a book denounced by conservatives as anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.

Wouldn't you know I'd read an anti-Semitic book and come away from it with positive feelings about Israel? I don't think it is an anti-Semitic book. I think it is an honest book. It says the world before and during World War II was set on killing all Jews, and, after World War II, Jews and the non-Jews who didn't want the Jews to be exterminated agreed that the Jews needed a nation-state with turf, land, dirt beneath their feet, an economy, diplomats and a strong army in order to survive.

There had to be benefits for respecting the Jews and hard costs for coming after them again, and only a nation-state with some combination of positive rewards in culture and trade and the very negative penalty of military force could put those benefits and that cost squarely on the table.

Maybe the most difficult part the book for people -- it was for me -- was the simple fact that creating a new nation-state with turf anywhere on the globe was always automatically and necessarily going to be an act of war. No, it was never going to be all stirring orchestral music, Paul Newman and Eva Marie Saint in the 1960 movie, Exodus.That would have been nice. Many Zionists and most of their non-Jewish allies yearned for it to be like that. It couldn't be only beautiful, because war is always ugly.

What came across to me from Judis' book was simple pragmatic reality: The whole planet already belongs to somebody. Anywhere you go on the planet you will find people who consider that place their own. If you tell them somebody else owns it now, you've got a war on your hands.

But here was the question after World War II: Do we commit this act of war and create a Jewish nation-state? Or do we go with the only other option -- tell the Jews they cannot have a bastion of safety anywhere on the planet and consign them to simply wait passively for the next Holocaust?

We created Israel. The Israelis created it. The Europeans created it. We in the United States created it. We chose an act of war to protect the Jews from the next Holocaust, and, yes, the Palestinians got screwed. In war there is sin.

So does that mean Israel gets to do whatever it wants in order to contain and control the Palestinians? Does the creation of Israel strip the Palestinians not only of their turf but their worth and dignity as human beings?

But there I stop. There I figure I have pretty much reached the limited horizon of my own understanding of history and my own moral and intellectual capacity. I don't believe I am accepting or condoning the plight of the Palestinians, which I believe to be catastrophic. I do believe that as an American I have a personal obligation to persuade my leaders to come to the aid of the Palestinian people. But in the meantime if I imagine the rocket launchers in Maypearl -- right now, today -- then right now I have to get down to business.

If the Gaza strip were in Maypearl, if Hamas were launching rockets at my neighborhood, my home, my family, what would be my own reaction? Is there some Book of Hoyle, some set of rules of fair play?

Yes. There are rules. They're called the rules of "distinction and proportionality" in international law, and they say that in my retaliation for the rockets launched at my home I must not deliberately target civilians, even though the other side targets me. In fact I must exercise diligence to distinguish between military and civilian targets. And the fact that somebody shoots a rocket at me does not give me the right to explode a nuclear device over the entire populace from which the rocket came.

But what if they hide the rocket in a courtyard at Baylor Hospital? What do I say then? I think of a rocket coming from that launcher to my home, and I know what I say. I say to myself, "I hope and pray that Baylor Hospital can get that rocket launcher out of its midst. I hope and pray that if they can't get rid of the rocket launcher, they can get themselves and their patients out of Baylor Hospital. I hope and pray that they can work it out at their end. But I want that damn rocket launcher bombed before it hits my house."

When you put me in it, when you put Gaza in Maypearl and Tel Aviv in East Dallas, when it is my problem, then I will not agree to any tricks by which Hamas can fire rockets at me and I am not allowed to bomb the rocket launcher. None. Wherever they put the rocket launcher firing at my house, that is where I want my government to bomb. I hate it that there will be terrible collateral damage. I hate all of this. But I do not want a rocket to hit my house.

Is that simplistic and stupid? Frankly, I won't be terribly surprised to learn that my own assessment of this terribly complicated and intractable international issue is simplistic and stupid.

But tell me his. What else would we have Israel do? Allow Hamas to keep heaving rockets at them? And if your answer is anything like that, then would you agree that you are espousing a formula by which Israel must allow itself to be expunged? If Israel isn't allowed to defend itself from rockets -- any rockets, all rockets, rockets launched from olive groves, rockets launched from United Nations schoolyards -- then the original act of war in the creation of Israel must be resolved with the extinction of Israel. If that's your answer, just say it.


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MikeWestEast
MikeWestEast

Whatever you felt, it would not last very long.  Maypearl after about 10 rockets would look like the dark side of the moon, where all the craters are.  You were from Detroit.  What would happen to Windsor if someone there started lobbing rockets into your home city?  Windsor would no longer be on the map except as an example of what happens when you shell Detroit.  The American people would not stand for it more than a day.

DonkeyHotay
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Murderous Israeli Swine Commits WAR CRIMES


UN chief accuses Israel of criminal activity in Gaza

United Nations Secretary- General Ban Ki-moon accused Israel on Sunday of criminal activity in Gaza and of breaking international law in its military campaign against Hamas in the Strip.

He issued this particularly harsh statement in response to a UN report that 10 Palestinians were killed and 27 injured in an Israeli missile strike adjacent to the main gate of the UN Relief and Works Agency Boys’ Prep School ‘A’ in the town of Rafah, in southern Gaza.

“This attack, along with other breaches of international law, must be swiftly investigated and those responsible held accountable. It is a moral outrage and a criminal act,” Ban’s office said.

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ALL War Criminals DESERVE TO DIE !!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

U$A admits to TORTURE !!

George Bu$h + Dick Cheney = War Criminal Scum !!

WASHINGTON: President Barack Obama acknowledged Friday that US intelligence operatives had “tortured some folks” in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

The US administration is expected to release a declassified Senate report in the coming days that will detail abuses by intelligence agents targeting the extremist group Al-Qaeda.

“Even before I came into office, I was very clear that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, we did some things that were wrong,” Obama told reporters.

“We did a whole lot of things that were right, but we tortured some folks. We did some things that were contrary to our values.

“When we engaged in some of these enhanced interrogation techniques, techniques that I believe and I think any fair-minded person would believe were torture, we crossed a line.”

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

"This is unprecedented in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict," says CNN's Ali Younes, an analyst who has covered the region for decades. "Most Arab states are actively supporting Israel against the Palestinians -- and not even shy about it or doing it discreetly."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/world/meast/israel-gaza-region/

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

War, aggression, intransigence.  Both sides are to blame and it's folly to take either side in this awful mess; furthermore, it certainly hasn't helped America's standing with the rest of the Global Community to have done so.

anon-aipac
anon-aipac

No one in on the planet disagrees that American MEDIA is incredibly lopsided with their incredible ISRAEL'S are the CHOSEN ones and are perfection, nor can they do ANY WRONG.  It is not a cliché, nor an anti-Semitic statement to suggest AIPAC controls our media.  Who operates this website?  Who allows Israeli Firster's to get away with blatant verbal slander on this blog, even those who have retired to Florida? 

Yet, what is usually done is to bash/distract the person who dares to point to the elephant in the room. 

do_youthink
do_youthink

@ Donkeyass - Idiots like you are the main reason I do not self-identify as a "liberal" any more.

PS I am an atheist so don't try to guilt me with your Bible BS.

do_youthink
do_youthink

@ Donkeyasshole : Idiots like you are the main reason I do not self-identify as a "liberal" any more.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

“How could the people in Gaza, who started rocketing Israel, think that it was OK to use international aid money to dig tunnels to increase their ability to destabilize the region and kill people?” Clinton told about 150 Trib Total Media employees at the memorial service at Scaife's boyhood home in Ligonier.

But Clinton blamed the rising civilian death toll on Hamas as well, saying they deliberately placed munitions where civilians seek shelter, then use their deaths to foment international anti-Israeli sentiment.

http://triblive.com/news/editorspicks/6550262-74/clinton-international-civilians#ixzz39QIzSHd8

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@donk

By "US", they mean "Obama", who, as we've seen, does not share America's fondness for Israel, and is probably upset that he and Lurch have been getting the cold shoulder from just about everyone.

Hamas is probably his only true friend.

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/31/why-hamas-stores-its-weapons-inside-hospitals-mosques-and-schools/

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@donk

Got any good sermons on what some people call torture?

How about one that starts out "What difference, at this point, does it make!?"

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." -- Ariel Sharon

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz If the Palestinians stopped fighting today, all Israel would want to do tomorrow is grow oranges and have kids.  


If Israel stopped fighting today, every Jew in Israel would be murdered by morning.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

A liberal America will stand with modernity before they will with racist, homophobic, xenophobic, misogynistic violent 17th-century religious death cult.

There are slight differences between Muslims and Judeo-Christians if you look hard enough.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@anon-aipac 

It is not a cliché, nor an anti-Semitic statement to suggest AIPAC controls our media

you're correct, it may be neither "a cliche, nor an anti-Semetic statement".

however, it is ignorant. and false.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@do_youthink


Stinky, AKA - donkey boy, is now posting under the same name as his condition "spotted dick".


His AIDS is getting aggressive.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Donkey

Makes sense, strategically.

When your neighbors vote for the genocidal solution, you'll want as much buffer as you can possibly get.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@everlastingphelps

So you're questioning Islamist cultural, religious and moral imperatives? Isn't that just a bit judgemental?

anon-aipac
anon-aipac

@TheRuddSki  OH Lordy and can a get an Oy Vey from the back for our Lil Hasidic who has been holding in his inner Jew for many months now, claiming to hate on them, telling he was in Ft. Lauderdale for non-Jewish reasons, and basically pretending to be the Obama bashing gentile.  And now watch it fly and he is here and arrived in all his Shalom. 


Testify. 

anon-aipac
anon-aipac

@mavdog  No not really.  Yet I am curious what you are denying. 


Do you suggest that the American news organization cover Israel and Palestine in a fair and balance way?


or


Do you believe that AIPAC has more control on our media and political leaders than most lobby groups? 

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@donk

Looking around the news today, I have a question for you - why are pro-Hamas, anti-Israel demonstrators so thuggish and violent?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  -- Deuteronomy 13:13

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@plainsman1

If the Palestinians stopped fighting today...

They would probably be beheaded.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@anon-aipac 

Yes, any American is able to source media coverage on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There are pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian articles written by American news organizations. I do not "suggest" American news organizations are able to report "in a fair and balanced way", it is a matter of fact.

No, AIPAC does not have any "control" over American media and political leaders. There are lobbying groups who are working for the other side of the issue.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki ... do you get paid to suck shit, or do you find it enjoyable?


Sen. King: CIA torture was ‘unjustifiable’

Sen. Angus King, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said Sunday that Central Intelligence Agency personnel committed acts of torture in the wake of 9/11 and called it “unjustifiable.”

King, an independent from Maine who caucuses with Democrats, said he has voted to declassify a report by the Senate intelligence panel detailing the incidents of alleged torture.



King partly defended agency officials by describing them as “under tremendous pressure” in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center and killed thousands of people. But he criticized the agency for trying to obscure its rough treatment of suspected terrorists in the pursuit of intelligence.

“They should have come forward and said, ‘OK, we made a mistake. We were under pressure, we made a mistake.’ But they’re still trying to justify and argue it wasn’t torture which is nonsense,” he said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

“If they had stepped forward and said, ‘We did some things we wished we hadn’t under duress, we’re not going to do that again,’ I think we could put this behind us. They keep trying to justify it. It’s unjustifiable,” he continued.

King called the anticipated Senate report on CIA torture “an object lesson” for future presidents and CIA chiefs about how things can “get off the rails.”

President Obama acknowledged during a press conference Friday that intelligence officials tortured suspected terrorists under former President George W. Bush.


G. aWol Bu$h = GUILTY of WAR CRIMES !!

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Donk

You provide a lot of quotes as argument - biblical, fictional, less-than-contextual, made up. I think you're using one of those websites for lazy people, but then again, I'm scum.

In the spirit of pushing another UP post to over 600, here ya go, Sahib, a very small sample, fit for a family audience:

"Allah will replace Moslems who shirk their obligation to battle Israel."

"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"

"Eternal Islamic War against the Jews is led by Palestinians; the Jews are enemies of Allah."

"The resurrection of the dead will not arrive until you will fight the Jews and kill them...' We the Palestinians are the vanguard in this undertaking and in this campaign, whether or not we want this."

"...blessed is he who dons a vest of explosives on himself or on his children and goes in to the depth of the Jews and says: ‘Allahu Akbar..."

""The Jews are the Jews. ... They are are all liars... the true criminals, the Jewish terrorists... They are terrorists. Therefore it is necessary to slaughter them and murder them, according to the words of Allah... it is forbidden to have mercy in your hearts for the Jews in any place and in any land. Make war on them anyplace that you find yourself. Any place that you encounter them -- kill them. Kill the Jews..."

Your people, Sahib. Why are you not there fighting the Jew?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  -- Leviticus 21:9

anon-aipac
anon-aipac

@mavdog  Would you be honest with me?  When you were typing out that last line, did you laugh, snicker or simply grin?  Because you seem like a smart dude and so it would be like typing out, Ruddiski always adds a lot to the discussions at Unfair Park.


Of course there are lobbying groups that are non-AIPAC but they are funded from lemonade stands.  If you seriously want to stick with that and I have the time, I might enlighten you .  If you are Jewish or an Israel Firster that is something to be proud of.  There is nothing wrong with owning most of the media and it is fine to use to media to advance you're cause, but now they have reached a point of purposely misleading like the did with WMD's.   And as an American, we don't want that to get out of hand again..

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @TheRuddSki "...President Obama acknowledged during a press conference Friday that intelligence officials tortured suspected terrorists under former President George W. Bush...."

Do you really think these programs have stopped under Obama?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles,  and the predicted signs or miracles take place.  If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them.  The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul.  Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone.  Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him.  The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt.  Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you.  

-- Deuteronomy 13:1-5

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden.  When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.

-- Deuteronomy 17:2-5


That ain't Marijuana they're talking about!


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.

 -- Deuteronomy 13:7-12


KILL Infidels in YOUR OWN FAMILY !!



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. 
-- Deuteronomy  22:20-21
 


Obey Your GOD !!



TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Donkey

Are you winding up for tomorrow's sermon, or are you just drunk?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@anon-aipac 

nothing like a person with a closed eye and a closed mind..

the fact there are such diverse viewpoints expressed on this blog shows my point to be valid. the news media is as varied as these opinions, and people are easily able to find the source that most aligns with what they believe.

"own most of the media". that statement in itself reveals just how narrow minded, actually how clouded your thoughts are. the "media" isn't solitary, it is not "controlled" by any single group, much less "the jews".

you are showing a prejudice that is very unbecoming. this stance, coupled with your poking RuddSki about "being jewish" leads me to think you have some deep seated issues..

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @TheRuddSki That is a Mosaic Law edict exhorting the Israelites to kill their own offspring for immorality.  Has nothing to do with Palestinians, Canaanites, Amorites or any of the other -ites in the area.


has all the cheese done slid offa your crackers?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@donkey

You're throwing fire at an agnostic, what's the point?

anon-aipac
anon-aipac

@mavdog  That is what I thought tater man more of the same old same old.  Can't answer the question can't even get near for it skers ya don't it?   Of course you don't have an answer, and I may get to it and get back with you what we call THE FACTS and then you can go find the AIPAC talking points that will not dispute them but with your ability to mix in the ultra mature name calling you can further distract the conversation. 


But wait wait wait.....let us deal with YOUR victim friend (now I am going to cry )  Ruddski the VICTIM.   You do know that he has made numerous anti Jewish comments on this blog EXPRESSING HIS HATRED FOR THEM ..out and out HATRED FOR JEWISH MEN......and WE CALLED HIM ON IT......called him a bigot for it while, if I'm not mistaken you were LIKING HIM.....


Now we are just reminding him and giving him examples of how the bigot is now suddenly openly Jewish ......   Please did you just graduate from The Sarah Palin University of Victimization?   


Never mind, I though you had a lick of sense and was trying to explain the Jewish investments in MSM....

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki ... fireworks are fun to watch.


PS: Agnostics are Atheists too cowardly to admit it in public.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Donk

This could prove to be my worst mistake yet.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@anon-aipac 

you have shown your true colors.

no real desire to look into your comment about AIPAC and jewish americans "controlling the media", for to look at reality upsets and destroys your message.

AIPAC and the media? Murdock is much more powerful in that sphere, not to mention Jeff Bewkes. or Brian Roberts.

Here's something for you to chew on: AIPAC isn't even as powerful as Norquist. and AIPAC doesn't give a single $ in campaign contibutions. so much for their "power" over America.

me "liking" Ruddski? you've really got to pull your head out of your ass sometime. don't fear reality, don't run away from it, embrace it. it will do you good.

You never explained how you concluded RuddSki is jewish, when he says he isn't. tell us, how do you know?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@anon

HATRED FOR JEWISH MEN......and WE CALLED HIM ON IT

Actually, what Myrna did was take the punch line of a joke, and posted out of context to make it appear to be a position statement.

And you, sockpuppet, run with it.

Clean up your act, Jack.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'  

-- Exodus 31:12-15



No Eruv can save you now, Infidel Scum !!


TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

Judging by the commentary about me here, I'm an anti-Zionist Zionist. A hateful scumbag blah blah, but in reality, I'm representative of mainstream American opinion on Israel/Palestine/Hamas.

Anon, donkey apparently hate most of Americans, they just focus their fringe nutter, slightly profane fury at me.

This makes me sad.

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