A Dallas Gun Club Thinks There Should Be Booze at Gun Shows, and Texas May Allow It

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Let's just pretend for a minute that all these people are wasted. Great idea, right?
Guns, most people seem to agree, should be handled carefully. Drunks, most people seem to agree, are not generally known for their powers of caution. But at least one DFW gun club has decided that, hey, you know what would be a nice addition to Texas gun shows? Booze.

Alcohol sales are currently prohibited at Texas gun shows. But the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission announced Friday it would consider changing an internal administrative rule to allow the sale of beverages at gun shows, in response to the gun club's request. Carolyn Beck, a spokeswoman for the TABC, said she was unaware which group made the request.

Critics are decrying the TABC for the proposed rule change. But when the TABC receives a rule request, it is generally required to respond, Beck says. "As an agency, when we got the request, what we thought was how can we draft a proposed rule that would mitigate the danger that seems inherent," Beck says.

A list of caveats would accompany the rule change: No alcohol may be sold where live ammunition is present. Firearms must be disabled. Sold firearms cannot be directly delivered within the building where alcohol is sold.

Alice Tripp, the legislative director for the Texas State Rifle Association, told the Associated Press that even from the point of view of gun rights supporters, the initiative seems strange. "Does that make any sense? Who would buy a gun at a gun show where you couldn't take possession of it?" she said. "Nobody is interested in selling alcohol at a gun show."

Whether or not the majority of Texans agree to sell booze at gun shows, the TABC cannot avoid addressing the most request. "Some people are saying that alcohol at gun shows is not acceptable," Beck says. "But I want those people to understand that there will be restrictions in place to mitigate some of the perceived problems."

The TABC is open to receiving public feedback and comments for the next few weeks. After the period of public input on the initiative has passed, the rule change will go before the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Committee for a vote.

"There's been an explosion of misinformation," Beck says, pun unintended (we think). "But we hope that we can come up with something that folks are comfortable with on both sides."

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noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

Selling ANY alcohol at a gun show constitutes a level of insanity difficult to surpass.  Texas has laws that prohibit guns in bars, and the same condition should be true in gun shows. 


I am a strong supporter of gun rights, and I believe concealed carry works quite well.  But, it is insane to sell guns and live ammunition and knives where alcohol is being sold. 


Having witnessed one shooting in a bar in another state several years ago, I've seen the results of a drunk getting increasingly angry with every drink he has.


If TABC permits the sale of alcohol of any kind at gun shows, they need to put a shrink on staff to diagnose and treat their being totally nuts!

J_A_
J_A_

This is a worse idea than beer at Six Flags

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

Safest place in town for gunophobics:

(A) a requirement that prohibits live ammunition in the building or the facility where the licensed premises is located;

(B) a requirement that firearms be disabled and not readily convertible for use; and

(C) a requirement that prohibits the delivery of any firearm inside the building or facility where the licensed premises is located.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

I'm really not surprised that a rag as gun-ignorant as the DO got the story wrong (but then a lot of rags are.)  It's not about gun shows where you have booths lined up and people selling guns and ammo.


It's about fundraisers and dinners where you have a gun raffle.  Currently it is illegal.  TABC has finally realized that there's no problem serving beer at a place where people are trying to win an unloaded gun that won't even be transferred to them there but happens to be on display (with a gun lock through the mechanism so that it is disabled.)

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Maybe they could open a lovely, fun Gun/Craft Beer Emporium, featuring topless cowgirl markswomen shooting out cigarettes from the lips of topless beer-bellied gun collectors.  What a lark! 

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

"When the price of stupid reaches $40/barrel, I want drillin' rights on that man's head."

I can't be sure, but I think this is an Ann Richards quote, so it seems doubly fitting here.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

Pick up a six-shooter and a six-pack.

What could possible go wrong?

lebowski300
lebowski300

I hope they get liquored up and bad things happen because of it. Seems like a win.

James080
James080

I go to the Dallas gun shows a couple of times a year, occasionally to buy a new firearm, but usually just to get some ammo and look at all of the historical weapons and other vintage military paraphernalia. If they start selling alcohol, I won't be going back. Simple as that.

Tim.Covington
Tim.Covington

The vast majority of gun owners think this is a stupid idea. 

It sounds like this gun club had some idea for an event (probably some sort of high end whiskey tasting, or something similar) to be held concurrently with a gun show. I'm betting the TABC will shoot it down.

knoxharrington
knoxharrington

It's not a gun range, it's a gun show.  You all realize no one is shooting at these things right? The next time someone shoots up a gun show will be the first time. Why? Everyone has access to a gun to defend themselves there.  That's why mass shooters target schools and the like - there are no guns there.

Rumpunch1
Rumpunch1

Why? I go to gun shows all the time, yet never felt the unrelenting urge for a drink.

Thanks for making us look like dumbasses.

Lakewooder
Lakewooder

As an avid hunter and advocate of Second Amendment rights, let me just say: Dumbest. Idea. Ever.

Greg820
Greg820

Guns and booze together never hurt anyone, with the exception of those that were injured or killed. 

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

What about a William Tell booth Burroughs style?

tdkisok
tdkisok

They just keep pouring gasoline on stupid.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Myrna wholeheartedly agrees.  They should also allow crack, PCP, and ecstasy. 

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

Bad idea, really bad idea.


One of my rules in a hunting camp has always been guns or alcohol, not both.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@everlastingphelps I don't know anyone more supportive of the Second Amendment that I.  And, I have personally talked to DPD commanders and officers about personal safety, and they ALL suggested owning at least one weapon and getting sufficient training to use it. 


The police admit that they do not have enough officers to adequately police the growing crime problems, and the response time for emergencies is still a matter of several minutes.  So, the first responder in case of a crime at you business or residence is you. 


However, I am vehemently against any form of alcohol being sold at gun shows, gun auctions, or gun displays.  There is a reason most bars in conceal carry states operate under a law where NO firearms are permitted with the exception of police officers and law enforcement.

Recently, at a gun show here in the Dallas area, I saw and handled a number of sidearms without trigger locks.  So, not all shows require them - although it's an excellent idea.  But, most people buying a handgun want to make sure the trigger is comfortable and works for them. 

You can buy a Saturday Night Special at a pawn shop that also sells ammunition, and be as drunk as a skunk when you buy it.  So, there are still holes in the laws. 



bvckvs
bvckvs topcommenter

@everlastingphelps 

re:  " It's not about gun shows where you have booths lined up and people selling guns and ammo.  It's about fundraisers and dinners "

No, all the article on this have been very clear - it's about gun shows.  But I understand why a piece of shit gun-psycho would lie about that - and I forgive you.

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

That is essentially a Burroughs style Wm tell booth. I like the embellishments.

JFPO
JFPO

Hold my beer...watch this!

bvckvs
bvckvs topcommenter

@Tim.Covington 

re:  "The vast majority of gun owners think this is a stupid idea. "

LOL.  I wonder - from what study does THAT little tidbit come?


bvckvs
bvckvs topcommenter

@Rumpunch1 

They don't make you look like dumbasses - you do that to yourself by associating with them.


primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

Well said. Drinking and hunting don't mix. Drinking and guns don't mix. I learned a long time ago to stay away from those who think differently.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@primi_timpano Big Kitty would love to open a catnip stand for feline gun enthusiasts.

JustSaying
JustSaying

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul  Depends on the campers. When I'm out with lifelong friends there is ALWAYS beer there. You can't sit around a camp fire at the end of the day eating freshly grilled meat without a beer to wash it down with. Granted, I can fully trust that those guys won't get drunk and decide that beer bottles make good skeet.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@bvckvs @everlastingphelps If you have ever been involved in something that was covered by the media, you'll discover to your surprise that they got it all wrong.  


When you are involved in several, you will realize that they always get it wrong.

knoxharrington
knoxharrington

@tdkisok  Were these people drinking? I don't see the connection.  You act like people are going to be playing beer pong and then decide to handle weapons.  Get a clue moron.  As to wiping my own ass why don't you wipe it for me idiot.


Why don't you worry about your own life and stop trying to micromanage others you officious intermeddling douchebag.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheCredibleHulk  Pairings.  That brings to mind a simply exquisite Blanquette de Veau paired with a superb Corton Charlemagne Grand Cru, 2006, Domaine Rapet.  The low acidity and lovely balance of this 2006 enhances the veal meat and the silky sauce.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@JustSaying @ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul 

If the guns are out, no alcohol.

If the alcohol is out, no guns.

I didn't mean to imply that I don't allow alcohol in a hunting camp.  I just want everyone to go home when the hunt is over.  In my opinion, there is not much more tragic than a shooting accident during a hunt.

bvckvs
bvckvs topcommenter

@everlastingphelps @bvckvs 

re:  "When you are involved in several, you will realize that they always get it wrong."

That's one of the more pathetic aspects of gun violence advocates - that belief not just that they know everything, but further that EVERYBODY else ALWAYS gets EVERYTHING wrong.

tdkisok
tdkisok

@knoxharrington


Right back at cha, funk face.


Now it's true that like you, these idiots probably don't need alcohol to carelessly handle a firearm but adding it to the mix will not help matters.  

JustSaying
JustSaying

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul  When you said camp I assumed that you meant overnight. There is always beer for the overnighters. And plenty of coffee for the mornings. But the beer doesn't start getting consumed until the hunt is over. Its a little harder to hold a steady bead on something when your body is swaying.

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