Will Protesters Greet Kids Here? Probably. But That Doesn't Have to Mean Disaster.

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There are some pretty horrible scripts out there for these scenes. Let's hope we don't follow one.

Let's say the kids do come. What does that look like on Day 1? Crazy? Or not? It's all about anger management.

Dallas County Commissioners Court Judge Clay Jenkins, with backing from all but one of his fellow commissioners, has vowed Dallas will take responsibility for as many as 2,000 unaccompanied Central American migrant children to be housed in local shelters to be established for the purpose.

Assuming they can't be spirited into a shelter before anybody knows they're here, assuming they come in buses during daylight hours, will the children arrive to a wild protest scene like the one that greeted busloads of immigrants last week in Murietta, California?

It's still not clear to me exactly how the protesters in Murietta stopped the buses. I have looked at raw video on different sites, and I don't see any concerted police presence to guarantee safe passage of the buses. So, sure, if there are no cops to stop you, you just go stand in front of the bus. It won't be that easy here.

Will there be people in Dallas who are angry about the arrival of the child refugees? Yes. Is that a legitimate response? Yes. I disagree with it. Maybe you do, too. But immigration is a tough issue, made tougher by the abject failure of Washington to fix it ,and people on all sides have a right to be angry.

If people want to protest the arrival, do they have to do it in the street? Yes. This is America. The street is where we go, almost reflexively, to express vociferous dissent. If memory serves, it's why we're not still ruled by England.

Because stop-the-buses is already a media meme, some kind of protest is inevitable, whether anybody likes it or not. These things do tend to follow scripts. Let's just hope this one doesn't borrow from the script of the American civil rights movement, where the meme was burn-the-buses.

Should protest be carried out somewhere far from the children? That's not how protest works. Protest in a government-prescribed dissent zone is not protest. It's some kind of weird 1984 police-state thought-control. Protest is only protest when it's right in the big bull's eye, the focal hot zone where every eye is turned already. It's pretty much the whole point.

If the kids do come here, we will see a strong police presence to guarantee safe passage. There will be a cordon. People can be on opposite sides of that cordon, mad as hell at each other about the issue, without messing with the police. Messing with the police is the litmus, the red-flag indicator that the angerholics are trying to take it over.

And there is the underlying psychological and moral line: Most people come to a protest motivated by their anger over an issue, but some come for the anger party. They were angry when they woke up. It's not about the issue. Who knows what it's about? Something way back, maybe psychological. They show up to get in some licks, because they want to get in some licks.

So much of our politics seems to be hijacked by the angerholics these days. They can't ever say what's making their eyeballs bulge or their faces beet-red, can't spit it out. After a while, their inability to express complete sentences, let alone logical thoughts, makes us suspect that political issues are not really what drives them.

It's fine to say the police should be cool and professional no matter what's going on around them. When somebody says something like that to me, I always want to say, "Good thought. Now snap on your helmet and return to your planet of origin."

Cops are people. Their ability to resist provocation depends on which cops you're talking about, how they were trained, how they are deployed and managed in the field. Some never go for the bait. Others look for it.

Look, it's not right, reasonable or realistic to insist that everybody stay home. Some people on both sides of the immigrant kids question -- keep 'em out or bring 'em on -- will not want to stay home. If the opportunity is right, they will show up. There is no law that says they can't get mad at each other and engage in angry debate across the lines.

The key, the thing for everybody to watch, the alarm bell that means things are about to go dark, is messing with the cops. I just don't believe that people drawn to a protest by legitimate issues will mess with the cops. The ones who will do that are the other type, the anger-heads.

It's enough just to know that. It's enough to see the line and stay on the right side of it yourself. The anger-heads don't want to fight the cops by themselves. They're going for the melee, the general riot where anything goes, and for that they need the rest of us. Why would we do that?



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mcdallas
mcdallas

"So much of our politics seems to be hijacked by the angerholics these days. They can't ever say what's making their eyeballs bulge or their faces beet-red, can't spit it out. After a while, their inability to express complete sentences, let alone logical thoughts, makes us suspect that political issues are not really what drives them."


Obviously, Schutze is an avid reader of DO commenters...

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

Obama may not heed the warning from dems about his "Katrina" moment because of his failure to visit the border, but he's agreed to meet with Perry, will that be enough to fool anyone?

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

The argument below is circular and non-sensical, as usual on this topic.  This is an issue which we, as voters, have had ample opportunity to address in the past.  Both major parties have used illegal immigration as a wedge, a defining issue, a humanitarian plea and a political bat for over 30 years.  Both major parties are guilty of fomenting this 'crisis'.  It is true the Republicans need to shoulder the lion's share of the guilt, Reagan offered the first amnesty and Bush, Jr. plowed, sowed and watered the field for the looming amnesty.

But dammit, we need roofing replaced, yards tended, concrete poured and sweet mother of jalapenos it's HOT out there!  So our protestations wither and die when we're looking at paying Jonny UT or Susie SMU to do the menial labor chores instead of Juan and Juanita Illegal.

Unless we fix the border, nothing else matters.  Deport them all you want, there's more coming and the end of the line is never that far back.  If it is, they'll just make another line.  Start fining employers some serious weight for hiring them, then charge that employer the cost of confinement care and deportation proceedings.  If the jobs dry up, so will the flood.

Beef up Border Patrol and surveillance.  Increase turn-backs at the borders (both of them, it won't be long and the Latins will be coming in from Canada, like many a Middle Eastern and East European undocumented migrant laborer has done).   Make the Social Program Safety Net a safety net, not a hammock.  Make benefits directly related to citizenship verification and shorten the time those benefits are dispersed.  Tie time extensions on benefits to community service (trash pick up, park and public land work, etc)  Let the Red Cross, Starvation Army and the Churches put their indignant money where their pie-holes are and make charitable organizations take care of the charities.

Reduce the incentive of a 'free ride' and you'll reduce the flow of illegal immigration.  Might even increase the flow of emigration. But we won't do it, because then we Americans would have to actually do the work we so generously leave to these illegal immigrants for ourselves.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

If this guy, shows up, you can be assured the angerholics have arrived.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Odd that when presented with direct evidence the President clearly induced the suffering of children on such a grand scale, one's mothering instincts don't kick in.

Wait!  I'mmmmmmm getting a visionnnnn . . . (it's a Johnny Carson Carnac routine)

What do you get when you cross a bra burner shrieking at the podium about abortion rights . . . with a Temporal Paradox?

Poof!

a vacant lot.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

What the hell is up with all these damn cat avatars.

bippyizod
bippyizod

To stem this influx of foreign children, simply make the postings of holmantx & theruddski public. I am not sure anyone would want to send their children to a place where such fucked up pathetic nitwits are allowed to roam freely.   

It was funny at first glance, then maddening, and then some sympathy for these two.  Now it is simply a major WTF?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Anatomy of the Fix

NY Times, Reuters, Washpost, Bloomberg, el al – All reporting the $2 Billion in funding is for “dealing” with the kids after they come across.  This funding IS NOT for sending them back.  It is for screening and cleaning and to “expedite the legal processing”.  So define “dealing with” and “expediting the Processing”?  Who cares?  Well, we do.

Washpost: “Officials said the request is separate from statutory changes that the administration is also seeking to make it easier to deport children back to Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, where most of the influx has originated.” (read between the lines).

But are they “seeking” changes?  Noooooooo.  Why, what’s the definition of “seeking”?

“White House press secretary Josh Earnest emphasized that the administration is committed to abiding by the law in dealing with the minors, saying each will have a chance to make a case for legal protections in immigration court.”

But this just in yesterday from an obscure blog on the Hill: “The Obama administration has decided to delay asking Congress to change a 2008 law that allows kids from Central America who illegally cross the border to be treated differently than kids from Mexico, who are usually immediately deported.  Democrats in Congress oppose the change, as do immigration activists.”

See: that do-nothing Congress (Reid) is blocking our President from doing the right thing!  This is why we need to eject the Republicans from Congress in November.

“President Barack Obama is preparing to ask Congress for emergency spending of more than $2 billion to deal with the crisis of unaccompanied kids at the Southern border, but for now he won't seek legal changes to send the children back home more quickly.”

“The White House insists the kids must be returned. Administration officials say they are still working on ways to do it faster, but say that the request for specific legislative changes will move on a separate track than the emergency spending request Obama is sending to Congress on Tuesday.”  (that’s today, folks).

The President has no intention of sending them back until he milks the situation he created for political purposes.  Our President is a liar and a user of kids he placed in a state of low-grade misery.  He will continue this hideous charade until we reverse the misery index.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Hola Senior Presidente de Estados Unidos, @wussupw/thisShit?

150 African kids get their own First Lady hashtag, and you deploy the Delta Force.

All we got was this crappy T-shirt made in the country I just left?

And you are The One who told mi Madre to put me on the bus?  Comprende?

No visit, no flyover, no Justice no peace.

Where’s Beyonce?

Where’s Bush? (ouch!)

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

Can someone please just copy and past all of the comments from the previous round?

dfw_maverick
dfw_maverick

We need to secure the border.  All this effort to take care of tens of thousands of illegal minors and this administration still isn't addressing the border.

hwy77
hwy77

Let's first sort out these kids to see if some of them have parents here in the Dallas area who are framing up new houses, or putting roofs on our homes, or installing new wood floors or tile inside them, or blowing grass clippings around our lawns, or digging trenches for lawn sprinklers, or changing tires for us, or cooking or doing dishes in the restaurants we like, etc., etc. If we find any matches, we can at least clarify the situation a little, maybe send the whole family back to wherever at the same time. Meanwhile, Gov. Perry is now wearing those black horn rimmed glasses on TV routinely, which makes him look quite a bit smarter. So there is that.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

The President is NOT asking for emergency funding and legislation to return the kids.  Why?

There's milking to be done.  If that dastardly Republican City - Dallas - gets the R convention, that's when we'll see how poorly they treat the kids they have corralled like animals.  Wall to wall coverage of the Convention - intersposed with cut-aways to fly-faced children caked in tears.

I wouldn't be surprised if this clown JFPO calls for UN inspections.

These morons are going to be dangerous by the time November rolls around.

We the People have lost control of the language.

Our town will be whatever the Press says it is.


JFPO
JFPO

"After a while, their inability to express complete sentences, let alone logical thoughts, makes us suspect that political issues are not really what drives them."

Sounds like the description of your typical "top commenter."

I didn't read all 100 comments, so forgive me if I'm repeating something here: What complicates the matter is a law Bush signed in 2008 that keeps us from automatically sending them back. But please continue with your Obama poutrage.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@RTGolden1

I'm not buying "it's both sides fault" on this one.  

The dam broke and somebody put C-4 to it.  

I didn't like it when Reagan did it.

I didn't like it when Bush did it.

I didn't like it when companies are all for it

I don't like it when the Republican Establishment wants it

The President of the United States is directly responsible for the avalanche of children pouring in from the Central Americas.  It is a series of actions by him and him alone that has precipitated a humanitarian crisis that may just be getting started.

And like no other President in modern history he is not rushing to stop it.

For some reason he is obfuscating.  He is intentionally holding thre next bunch of kids at detention centers.  He's already dispersed the bulk of the existing 50,000.  

And he could turn the spigot off immediately by coming down HARD on Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador - and China which is gearing up.

It is the same as the Mariel Boatlift.

I have no patience for fence-sitters and finger-waggers on this one.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Candy.Date

Just the act of checking the comments a few times daily to see how annoyed you are translates to $$$ for the DO.

bippyizod
bippyizod

@holmantx  I suspect you are sitting in the lobby of your retirement home banging out rants and only taking breaks for meal time.  To that I say, whatever flips your pancake and if you have family I am sure they appreciate this outlet.  If you are anything other than that, then you are truly one fucked up mumbling bag of hate.  A narcissist and sexually repressed. 

And while these observations might look insane if taken alone, sitting below one of your rants would look rather common. Sweet uh?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

(Are we sure Senator Reid is even aware of this border rush?)

The administration is being pulled in different directions, they have to devise a strategy that puts Obama in the best light.

His initial plan to take the proper route with Congress to change the laws was protested by illegal-immigration advocates, so he changed his mind.

The Bush law requires a hearing, Obama is just going to speed that process up, which in real-speak means that anyone who can get to the border in the next few years is guaranteed four to six or more years in the US, at our expense, until the hearings which none of them will show up for. Then amnesty.

The greatest challenge for the administration is finding a way to blame republicans.

jswilson64
jswilson64

@dfw_maverick "securing the border" will cost a lot of money and require a lot of people.


You're just another tax-and-spend, big-government liberal, aren't you?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@hwy77 The first wave has already been shipped to their parents via HHS.  They do not disclose nor check if the parents are in the country legally.

What we are now grappling with, and what Dallas County is offering to clean and screen, are the coming waves of kids.  They're not in the country yet.  

The floodgate was intentionally opened by the President.  He will only shut it if the kids become a political liability greater than a useful tool to reverse the tide of the next election, and/or his legacy.

This Katrina albatross will probably spoil any upside.

If he were serious about this humanitarian crisis, he would have publicly read the riot act to Mexico.  No way that many humans could make through Mexico without authorization.

Of course, there are also some simple questions arising:

Name one Democrat President in our modern history who would not have acted immediately to stem the border threat and save the kids?

Why is he not down there?  The press has no answers.

And the most damning thing is, he shows preference to only his race.

I really do not think his street cred, much less his legacy, is going to survive this gaff.

The press is turning on him.  After all, they have to remain once this guy flies away.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@JFPO

So, why is the White House insisting these children will be sent back ASAP?

The law can be quickly changed, which is not a problem with this administration.

As it is, anyone headed North right now gets a default four or five years before the hearing they'll skip.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@holmantx @RTGolden1 You've let your disgust with Obama cloud your thinking.  You are right that, as President, he needs to step up and do something to stop the surge.  He is definitely guilty on that count.  Not surprising, he hasn't taken a stand for anything his entire Presidency.  He caved on his signature legislation and gave us a healthcare bill that makes matters infinitely worse now and in the foreseeable future.  He tomahawks able bureaucrats to ensure the political survival of his sycophants.  He blithely ignores issues of paramount importance and points instead to fluff on the side (like this 'crisis' we're discussing here).  He has an arrogance I've not seen in any President in my life, this feeling that the entire nation owes him something because he's president, instead of the other way around; the idea that the restrictions of the Constitution don't apply to him, that he is above them.

Even with all that against him, I realize that this, or any other major, long-suffered problem are not all his fault or entirely of his doing.  Blaming the Pres for something simply because now it is convenient to do so is just as wrong-headed now as it was(is) when the liberals blame Bush for everything.  The person to blame is staring back at you from the bathroom mirror every morning.


“Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy, the whores are us.”  P. J. O'Rourke, Parliament of Whores.

bippyizod
bippyizod

@TheRuddSki  I too understand the concept of click$ which leads me to believe you are an employee of DO are in some financial relationship with them.  Otherwise why would anyone in their right mind post such needless drivel incessantly. If you are not being paid, you should be and there are places that employ people like you. 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

I suppose the Mountain Police could show up to check Mr. Schutze's badge to operate a free speech parlor.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Myrna, are the moderators still censoring your posts?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@Candy.Date @holmantx

You wandered in here, didn't even try and argue on the merits, popped off with a bunch of smirking invectives, then summarily got your ass handed to you.

And I'm the asshole?

Go wash your face.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

Same Rope a dope tactic (Hispanics and Independents are the target dopes for November).

Prez tries, Congress blocks (Reid), House Repubs blamed, Prez acts unilaterally (but not to send them home) , he can't so he frees them like Abe Lincoln (see: Peggy Noonan's diagnosis of Obama).

He EO'd the Dream Act which gave amnesty to 800,000 kids already in country - which caused the current crisis.  Either it's intentional or he's an idiot.

He's not an idiot, for He's established a pattern.


holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @holmantx

A yawn from a baboon is a sign of irritation and impending aggression.

Am I irritating the baboon?

JFPO
JFPO

Oh for fuck's sake, he's trying to work within existing law. I thought you wanted them sent back then tortured and shot. What exactly is your problem now (other than the black guy is doing it)?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

@TheRuddSki As soon as possible under law and due process.  You're a total ass clown sometimes

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@JFPO

But please continue with your Obama poutrage.

RuddSki is always keen to do as requested, didn't he fulfill it well?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@RTGolden1 @holmantx

Kids have been trickling in at 3 to 7 thousand a year them BAM! All hell breaks loose.  70,000.  Like the Dred Scott Decision we had a simmering problem but historians generally agree it and one or two others were the precipitating, or triggering, event.

What was it?  Both sides are now pointing to the Dream Act, the Justice Department suing Arizona, ICE refusing to process state authorities' pick ups.

But are we at the beginning, the middle or the end?

This could be the little end of a Waimea. 

Mexico is the conduit.  Why are we not sending home their Ambassador?  

Mexico - Shut It Down.  Now.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Candy.Date

If you engage arguments with substantive content rather than issue narccissistic laments, you'll drive people away, and you'll get the boot. So be careful.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

I suspect Candy is menopausal.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

Pattern being, nothing at all will change, but the crisis will have been "dealt with", and the media will quietly drop it.

Given the dismal approval ratings he's getting on immigration, the issue has to be disappeared before the midterms.

Wonder what crisis he'll fix next?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@JFPO

Oh fuck you the President is not asking for a waiver on that (2008 law) and given his propensity to ignore law at will he doesn't need to.

He could just order his Justice department to sue Texas like he did Arizona, which started the ball rolling, or just grant 800,000 more kids a pass like he did when he passed the Dream Act. And besides, that law only states the kids from two states over must get a humanitarian hearing, which is not in the emergency funding he just asked for.

So SFU.  Yer an idiot.  And a blithering one at that.

dingo
dingo

@JFPO 

I want the 80 percent of them that do not show up for the court date that they agreed to appear at in writing, to lead their statistically established type II diabetes existence in order to drive the health care system in this country into a state that would make Solzhenitsyn''s Cancer Ward look like Sloan-Kettering.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

President Obama petitioned Congress last week to grant him the authority to deport thousands of unaccompanied migrant children who crossed into the United States from Central America.

So, obviously, the administration is acting on my concerns.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@holmantx Clamp down too hard on the border and you've got the Mexico version of the Arab Spring in a few short months.  The Cartel wars of the past several years will seem like a minor paintball skirmish.  If WE can't handle the influx of Central Americans and Mexicans, do you think Mexico will be able to accommodate it?

Current political thinking, or what passes for it, is that we cannot have Mexico destabilized by revolution, it would devastate our SW and our economy.  No more parts for the auto assembly lines or something like that.

It is a stupid, incredibly simple problem if one looks at it unencumbered by sympathy, compassion and a need for safe vacations in Cabo.  Seal the border, let Latin America implode and let KBR and Halliburton rebuild it for the Hilton corp.  Problem is, stupid, incredibly simple problems involving human beings tend to get complex and challenging all on their very own.

By the way, the numbers are a bit skewed. We were catching 3 to 7 thousand a year, now we've caught some tens of thousands in a bit less than two years.  A lot of the successful apprehension rate has to do with them doing everything possible to get caught, not with a drastic increase in the numbers making the attempt.  Our increase in apprehension rate does have a lot to do with the President's support of not deporting those fleeing violence at home.  President Bush's support, carried on by his hand-picked successor, Obama.  You see, there really is no difference in the two parties.  They're both against US.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

The crisis to be dealt with is the Tea Partiers making a return appearance from the dead in November.

He's got the Repubs whipped.  It is the People (the TEA Party terrorists).

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki 

So, obviously, the administration is acting on my concerns

but RuddSki, he's not acting outside of Congress, which of course is what you alluding to.

come on, comfess you are pissed that he didn't give you something to bitch about by not using an Executive Order...

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@RTGolden1

70,000 since last October and most of them have been sent on to their families illegally in the U.S. by HHS.  What we're now grappling with are the thousands now coming across and are projected to come across.

But are you really asserting Mexico does not have a firm grip on who comes into, and transits, their country to the U.S.?  

They don't let terrorists through - they came through Canada for a reason.

It is preposterous to say Mexico would collapse if we forced them to turn off the spigot, immediately.

Maybe if we threatened Mexico we could find out what kind of deal we cut with them which allowed the exodus in the first place.

This is not God's Will.  Something happened.  Something triggered it.  We've always held back the hoards.  What happened?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

Heh. I think she should be banned for her negative attitude, lack of respect, sexual ambiguity, mockery of a very good movie and sucking up to the one person here who has to be continually censored.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

When he less the Senate, no-one will be madder than him. Simply unacceptable.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

Whether Obama acts within law now is something to be argued later.

You'll notice I credit his efforts so far, he has appealed to Congress.

Executive Orders come later, that's the pattern.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

Yep; no one was madder than him when the Fast and Furious operation didn't produce the intended gun control.

This better work or his base won't vote for him next time (ha!).

I must admit, this kid scheme is diabolical.  And brazen.  AS the bio guy said, "he must unmake America before he can remake it."  Or just tear iot down, cause people to go after each other, then whatever rises is as good as it should have been in the first place.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

I blame Myrna, and according to her, so do the moderators.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

This is the type of commentary that angers the women commenters here.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

I'll re-phrase:

"those representing themselves as women".

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

still have to run 'em through TSA.

see if the screeners run screaming from the screener room.

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