Decision to Shelter Immigrant Kids Brings Out More Protesters on Both Sides

Categories: Immigration

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Emily Mathis
Let's see, that's "illegal immigration aborts a nation," "taxation without representation," "they're called illegals for a reason," some other stuff, lots of manufactured signs and the worst acrostic ever (for Clay Jenkins).
It's been a few weeks since Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins' startling announcement that Dallas would help shelter the influx of Central American kids. Initial reaction was, in general, positive if riddled with questions. Faith groups across the area have been busy raising funds and holding food and clothing drives for the kids' expected arrival. But as more time has passed, the reaction is getting more heated.

Today and tomorrow, conservative groups are meeting at city buildings and Mexican consulates across the country to protest the recent surge in undocumented immigrants. In Dallas, they protested downtown at Jenkins' office Friday. They were met with a group of pro-shelter and pro-immigration reform counter-protesters.

"The protesters are misinformed," said Laura Mendoza, a U.S. citizen and child of Mexican immigrants who helped organize the counter-protest. "They're saying that we don't pay taxes, but we do and we're a group of hard workers," she said. "If my parents hadn't made that sacrifice to come here, I wouldn't be a U.S. citizen. They have instilled this in me -- you go vote, and you make sure your voice is heard."

Across the street, opponents waved fence-shaped signs and American flags. One woman, who wouldn't give her name but said she is a Dallas County public health employee, said she didn't want the "illegals" coming to Dallas. "I believe the borders need to be secure. We are on our way to anarchy and social degradation due to the fact that we cannot support all these people that are coming in. And for Clay Jenkins to make a decision to invite the illegal immigrants to come to Dallas is completely unacceptable. Why do these people get to come in and take everything?"

The protest came after a tense debate at a Grand Prairie ISD public forum to discuss the proposed shelter at Lamar Alternative Educational Center. With a packed house and nearly an even representation of shelter supporters and dissenters, tempers flared there as well.

Ramzi Farah, who lives across the street from Lamar, said that despite the city's efforts to better inform residents, he is increasingly unhappy with the idea of a shelter across the street from his home.

"If you live in a prison, you're trapped from the inside. But if you put the fence in front of my house, I'm not going to feel any different than the people in there," he said. "When I wake up now, I go outside to see something peaceful and beautiful. I don't want to wake up to metal and security and guards."

Originally from Israel, Farah says the increased security in his neighborhood would be uncomfortably familiar. "I'm more sensitive than a lot of people to this because I lived it. People with machine guns walking around -- but that's not my home anymore, this is my home. I don't want to have to worry about looking at guns and fences, I want to enjoy my freedom and what my country is offering."

The rhetoric at the downtown protest today was even more highly charged, and at one point, Dallas police separated the crowds so that they chanted at each other from across the street.

"We are being invaded. And we cannot afford to take care of these children," said one protesting woman, who also wouldn't give her name, because, she said, the government would be out to get her if she did. "I would never put my kid on a journey like that, so I don't think it says a lot about their parenting. The only thing that will send a message is if we ship them all back," she said. "There's been crime for years in their country, so that's just an excuse."

Julie Ross was one of the counter-protesters across the street. She brought her two kids, ages 2 and 5, with her. She said that as a mother she can empathize with immigrant parents. "That could easily be me and my child if our circumstances were different," she said.

"I wanted my kids to be part of the voice of Dallas which says we welcome and support assistance for refugee children. It's a basic human rights issue. Women and children in any conflict are the most vulnerable, and since they are on our soil, there are certain rights that they deserve."

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houston.carson74
houston.carson74

simple solution, they can be slaves until legal citizenship after 5 years hard labor & americanized training

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing -- Deuteronomy 10:18

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 “If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you." -- Leviticus 25:35

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the sojourners who reside among you and have had children among you. They shall be to you as native-born children of Israel. With you they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. --  Ezekiel 47:22

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. -- Hebrews 13:2

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 “Thus says the Lord of hosts, Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.” -- Zechariah 7:9-10

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 “Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts." -- Malachi 3:5

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ryan762

Remember when people protested building more prisons because they would encourage people to commit crimes so they would have a place to stay?

parisrec
parisrec

Dear Ruddski,  Gae hopzen drerd.  sincerely yours, " old jewish white man "

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

The bridge protesters claimed there was nothing political about their opposition to immigration, but the biggest sign they had read, "IMPEACH OBAMA".

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Protesters turned out by the tens on area bridges yesterday.  Half of them were children.  One protester:


"I think that our government, South America and Mexico are using these children as pawns, and that angers me so much," said Heidi Smith, an organizer with Overpasses for America. 

miltrac
miltrac

Countries in Central America with stable economies and governments are Costa Rica and Panama. The rest of countries are having huge problems because of widespread corruption and very weak economies. Mexico is a disaster. More Central Americans will be crossing the U.S. border because U.S. nation-buildings hasn't worked in the majority of countries in Central America. Interesting news are flowing today. http://ow.ly/zmmhd

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

.


   God created Illegal Aliens in his Own Image


HMSCWJD?


How many suffering children would Jesus deport?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@sockpuppet

Q: What do you call someone from Israel that has to sneeze?

A: A Jew

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

During my most recent 15K mile road trip, that was by far the most popular highway banner.

It's an increasingly popular concept.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Protesters turned out by the tens on area bridges yesterday...

Apparently, there aren't as many baby-haters on the right as some believe, or would have us believe.

Glenn Beck's contingent at the border right now might outnumber the protesters on the bridges of Dallas, and Beck, like the president, is technically a baby-hater.

The gun-violence proponents/anti-government freaks that bvckvs warns of are hunting babies for the Border Patrol, coyotes gratis, de nada.

You can do your part by complaining about them, over your cruelty-free morning latte.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is Gods. 


Caesar says these people can't cross our border without our permission. Their age makes no difference.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

HMSCWJD?

About 30%.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay This is sort of relevant I guess... did Jesus take part in politics outside of organized religion? Are His teachings applicable to immigration law when the concept of the nation-state hadn't been invented yet?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

15k miles? That's going coast to coast and back 3x.

My last road trip the most common banner was "McDonalds next exit". Interesting, there's similarity between McD's and Obama: both seem to get a lot of criticism for what they do but yet at the end of the day they're both successful, people clearly like what they do.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Quotes from Saint Glenn:
"When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."

"The only [Katrina victims] we're seeing on television are the scumbags."

"I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." –on why people who lost their homes in forest fires in California had it coming.

"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could."

"You know those fat people who sit in their couch -- and I mean really fat. I mean, not like me. I mean the people who, like -- their skin grows into the couch. And then, you know, they call the fire department and they cut them out of the wall, and then they have to bring in a truck, and then they take them to the hospital. I say let them die."

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas


Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy. -- Proverbs 31:8-9

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas


“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God."

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


Remember -- Jesus was a Jew


And his Father was the quintessential Old Jewish White Man


hth.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@DavidRoot ... Jesus was an Illegal Alien, as was his mother Mary. The Roman Empire was the largest Nation-State in the world. 


How daft are you in real life?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

You're thinking of a billboard.

44% of the Gallupolled agree with you, 52% swing my way and McDonalds actually is for the most part garbage, but billions and billions of low-information feeders have voted for it.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

More canned out of context stuff from media matters you pasted to prove my point.

Thanks.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay 


Damn stinky, if you are so well schooled in religious matters, explain the biological father for us.  

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki 

clearly you are as uninformed about McDonalds as you are Obama...for if one looks into the breakdown of the most recent poll by Gallup, Obama's ratings are higher the more educated and younger the person asked.

so it is the "low information" segment that is giving Obama the lowest rating.

count yourself among that segment! wear it proudly!

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Leviticus 19:34: Any immigrant who lives with you must be treated as if they were one of your citizens. You must love them as yourself, because you were immigrants in the land of Egypt; I am the LORD your God.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

Very popular with liberals in faculty lounges, newsrooms and the better restaurants in Beverly Hills.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Your hatred doesn't fill baby bellies.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot The original question was (regardless of your personal faith) how do our leaders use the Bible to argue for or against immigration reform. I'm hoping no one tries.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot Your cite is a seven-year-old editorial? I'm reading it, it's interesting! Cullen Murphy is not accepted by nearly as many IR scholars as he should. He also wrote "Are we Rome? : the fall of an empire and the fate of America". Hehe, and a book about feminism in the Bible.

Murphy hurts his argument right away, "One lesson is that the notion of "taking control of the borders" is overrated; borders were pliable then, and are even harder to define (or police) now."  The Romans lived in a pre-Westphalian world. We have passports, ICE, and immigration judges now. The US has enough static borders to make his arguments fun but not substantive.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz If we are going to start living by Leviticus then we'll have to start by repealing the 13th and 19th amendments.


Oh, and the first.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz That's the Old Testament.  While I highly regard many of the teachings and examples in the Old Testament, it does not envision an invasion of illegals to take advantage of America's generosity, welfare payments, free medical care, food stamps, and other items that cost taxpayers.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz

So what is that supposed to mean?  I can come up with quotes from cartoon characters  and comics as well.


And don't think the donkey boy will save you, he is an atheist.  

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki 

didn't see a category for faculty, do you think they still have "lounges"? if they do would they need to wear "lounge wear" if they go?

Are you expressing some stereotype on Beverly Hills residents? or the residents who eat out?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

"I fucking hate Old Jewish white men." ---Ruddski, 11.6.2013    "No country for old fucking Jewish white men, for sure! Or baby bums for that matter." ---Ruddski, 3.20.2014

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@DavidRoot @DonkeyHotay Correct me if I'm wrong, but immigration reform has little to do with religion, other than being in the U.S. without permission or a current visa, is wrong, illegal, immoral, unethical, and in many cases criminal. 


The U.S. is a nation of laws, under the Rule of Law.  So the law trumps one religious belief or another every time.


Even if you HAD a visa, remaining here after it expires makes one an illegal.  It is breaking our laws, and showing enormous disrespect to the rule of Law. 



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@DavidRoot "We have passports, ICE, and immigration judges now. "


And yet the U$A finds it still impossible to seal its borders.


Your argument fails on its face, ipso facto.


Try again.


TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Even more out-of-context stuff to express your fundamental dishonesty, your frightening lack of comprehension, and that throbbing, pulsing hate while again supporting my point. Thanks again.

You still haven't put a gram of formula in a baby's belly. They can't eat hate, ya know.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@noblefurrtexas @DavidRoot @DonkeyHotay Thank God you're on topic, Noble. 

I also believe in the Rule of Law. Donkey is arguing that we live in an ancarcho-primitivist state where some laws and rules are unenforceable and therefore irrelevant.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot 

You originally argued that the "Roman Empire was the largest Nation-State in the world." Now you're arguing that neither Rome nor the modern US fit the definition of a Nation-State. 

Just wanted to point out this inconsistency. You're really all over the place, are you feeling all right?

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot Donkey, how many people arrive in the US with valid passports compared to those who "sneak" in? And how many hundreds of thousands are waiting for their time in front of an immigration judge? That's not nearly as leaky as you make it sound. 

And how hard is it for illegal aliens to fully join society alongside legal citizens? It's very hard. We can't possibly follow any of Murphy's suggestions to accept leaky borders and encourage assimilation without fundamental changes to our laws. 

But, again, your comment is off-topic.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

"Yo no vivo en texas, y hay no hay mexicanos donde vivo." ---Ruddski, 3.21.2014

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@DavidRoot "I also believe in the Rule of Law"


Exactly what moral cowards said about laws promoting Slavery, Racism, Segregation, Bigotry and Hate.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@DavidRoot  ... are you deliberately obtuse, or truly ignorant of reality?

40 percent of nation's illegal residents came by plane and overstayed visas

Rep. John Carter, R-Round Rock, said: "The reality is that about 40 percent of the people came in on an airplane, with a legal visa, and just overstayed their visa and have never gone home." His comment appeared in a news story posted online by the Round Rock Leader on Aug. 31, 2013.

A July 2013 General Accountability Office report said: "Each year, millions of visitors come to the United States legally on a temporary basis either with or without a visa. Overstays are individuals who were admitted legally on a temporary basis but then overstayed their authorized periods of admission."

PolitiFact researchers previously found substance to similar claims. In 2012, PolitiFact New Jersey said that according to most studies, visitors who overstayed visas ranged from about one-third to roughly half of all the country’s illegal immigrants. 


The 40 percent statistic was floated as authoritative by several House members in a May 21, 2013, House subcommittee hearing, according to a transcript by CQ Transcriptions. Among them, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Houston, asked James Dinkins, executive associate director for Immigration Customs Enforcement, to estimate how many of these "millions of individuals" likely pose security threats. Few, Dinkins replied, adding that the government had checked on about 480,000 names of potential new visa overstays that year. "And of that 480,000 names, about 3,000 of them actually hit a potential national security or public safety threat," Dinkins said, with criminal cases opened on each one of the 3,000.

On March 14, 2013, Edward Alden, a senior fellow on the Council on Foreign Relations, a nonpartisan think tank, told a Senate committee: "The commonly accepted estimate is that more than 40 percent of the unauthorized migrants currently resident in the United States did not cross the borders illegally. Instead, they arrived in the United States on a lawful tourist, student, business, or other visa and then violated the terms of that visa by remaining in the United States."

In a footnote, Alden pointed out that the Pew Hispanic Center issued a "fact sheet" in 2006 spelling out "overstay" estimates that have been deemed credible, a source also previously cited by PolitiFact.

On the sheet, the center estimated that "nearly half of all the unauthorized migrants now living in the United States entered the country legally through a port of entry such as an airport or a border crossing point where they were subject to inspection by immigration officials." Specifically, the estimate ranged from 38 percent to 50 percent.

The center split the difference by proposing a figure of up to 45 percent.

Specifically, the center estimated, some 4.5 million to 6 million of the 11.5 million to 12 million unauthorized residents as of 2006 entered legally through ports of entry. The bulk of these entrants came in as tourists or as business visitors, the center said.



DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot 

I'm trying to decide if that statement should be considered a false analogy, association fallacy, ad hominem, or just an absurd red herring to knock us off topic some more. Actually, it's all four...

Why did you capitalize those words? What's going on in your head, Donkey?

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot You originally argued that the "Roman Empire was the largest Nation-State in the world." Now you're arguing that neither Rome nor the modern US fit the definition of a Nation-State. 

Just wanted to point out this inconsistency so you didn't get bored.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot 

Most of what you posted is irrelevant to Murphy's argument. I argued that the vast majority of people who enter the US each year must use valid passports to enter the US. I also argued that living in the US without valid status papers will keep you from fully assimilating or enjoying most protections afforded to citizens.

Your (only) argument is that less than half of illegal immigrants living in the US entered legally. This is supposed to show that immigration law is largely irrelevant and that nation-states now are no different from the (highly malleable) borders of the pre-Byzantine Roman Empire. 

I disagree that the fact many people entered the US legally only to stay past their visa expiration date means citizenship is now defunct in the way it was 2000 years ago. Those people will never live with the same comforts that citizens have. They will always be at risk of removal. They will likely be confined to certain jobs. Most importantly they will be forced to stay within the US borders or risk having their travel privileges revoked upon return.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@DavidRoot ... spoken like a moral coward who hides behind "the law" to justify their bigotry, racism and hatred.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@DavidRoot " I argued that the vast majority of people who enter the US each year must use valid passports to enter the US."


That's no argument, it's a factual assertion.



@DavidRoot "I also argued that living in the US without valid status papers will keep you from fully assimilating or enjoying most protections afforded to citizens."


What makes you think they desire to "fully assimilate"? They enjoy many, if not most, of the important protections afforded "citizens" since the really important Human Rights apply to ALL PEOPLE regardless of citizenship, race, national origin, etc, etc.


@DavidRoot "Those people will never live with the same comforts that citizens have"


They're comfortable and happy enough to stay.


@DavidRoot "Most importantly they will be forced to stay within the US borders or risk having their travel privileges revoked upon return."


Millions of American born citizens live their entire lives completely within the U$ borders -- sad as that fact is.


DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot 

Human rights are universal, but applying for social security or medicaid are not. Non-citizens will (and do) have a hard time accessing higher education, some healthcare options, many kinds of jobs, as well as some property and marriage rights. 

People who stay illegally are comfortable enough to stay. That doesn't make them assimilated in the way Murphy uses the word in the piece you sent me.

The annoyance of being restricted to US borders wasn't my main point; it was that they must recognize and respect the borders in the first place.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@DavidRoot ... utter nonsense. Anyone can own property in the U$A, no need to be a citizen, or even a resident -- legal or illegal.


What is your fixation with "assimilation" ? There are 100s or THOUSANDS of "unassimilated" people in the U$A who are living more comfortably than you, with more wealth, success and happiness.


If being restricted to U$ borders wasn't a valid point, why did you waste time raising it?



TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DavidRoot

Human rights are universal

That sounds good, but it's never really been true, because guns.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot 

Murphy has two main points; one of them is assimilation. You didn't read your own article? Or do you think your caustic language is distracting enough for me to miss that you are struggling to stick to a particular thesis?


Being restricted to borders was the main point. The fact that people who live in the US without valid immigration documents must stay within the borders shows that we are not living in the migration free-for-all of 2000 years ago.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @DavidRoot 

Anyone can own property in the U$A, no need to be a citizen, or even a resident -- legal or illegal.

while your point that there are no laws against a non-citizen or a non-resident taking title to real property in the US is true, any purchaser of real property who is not a US citizen must file the FIRPTA form to complete the process of purchasing.

If a person is an illegal resident, they are exposing themselves to discovery by the process. FIRPTA is used to ensure all taxes are paid as well as to track the source of funds used to purchase. FIRPTA will also trigger a look at the filer's legal status.Not a good idea to file the form if you do not have the legal right to live in the country.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@TheRuddSki Maybe that's why gun advocates want everyone to own a weapon. They're tired of feeling like bullies all the time.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@mavdog ... that's all about collecting taxes, not hunting down undocumented aliens, or even barring their purchase or ownership -- which is an economic stimulus.


The can use their "foreign" address, and purchase the property as if they don't live in the U$A if the want, even though they do, and declare the property to be a vacation / second home, or even an income / rental property.


http://manhattanmiami.com/resources/foreign-buyers-guide/


http://ibvadvisorygroup.com/an-overview-for-foreigners-purchasing-u-s-real-estate/




International buyers accounted for $82.5 billion, or 8.9%, of the $928 billion spent on residential real estate in the 12-month period that ended in March, according a survey released Monday by the National Association of Realtors.  June 12, 2012


That was up 24% from $66.4 billion in the previous-year period.


The survey showed that about 55% of all international buyers came from five countries: Canada, China, Mexico, India and the United Kingdom. Five states, meanwhile, accounted for around 55% of all sales to international buyers: Florida, California, Texas, Arizona, and New York. 


The survey found that 62% of international buyers paid in cash


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303901504577460550067846454



DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@DonkeyHotay @mavdog Donkey, I said they don't have access to some property rights. Of course they can buy and own things. But they are unable to avail themselves of the protection of the law.

Also it's much harder to get a driver's license, CDL, mortgage, and other credit with a fraudulent or invalid Social Security number. Harder than it used to be before 2008 at least...

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@TheRuddSki Man, I'd be cautious just casually visiting with people there let alone robbing them, so many traumatized people. "Detroit police say an 88-year-old who was beaten and robbed inside his east side home last week probably thought he was defending himself against attackers when he opened fire Monday on a television news crew."

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