It's Official: Perry to Send National Guard Troops to Border

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Dan Sorensen
Up to 1,000 National Guard troops will be immediately deployed to the border, in a move seen by many as political and provocative.

Governor Rick Perry today announced his intention to deploy up to 1,000 Texas National Guard troops to the Texas-Mexico border. While Perry cited criminal and cartel violence as his reason, the move comes following the recent surge of Central American children into Texas. Some 60,000 undocumented and unaccompanied kids are expected to come into the United States by the end of the year.

News of Perry's plan broke over the weekend, but today's official announcement still comes as a bold statement to both the Obama administration and immigration reform advocates. Perry stated that he intends for the troops to act as temporary support to Operation Strong Safety, a recent Texas Department of Public Safety initiative to crack down on illegal entry and criminal activity at the border.

"There can be no national security without border security, and Texans have paid too high a price for the federal government's failure to secure our border," Perry said in a statement. "The action I am ordering today will tackle this crisis head-on by multiplying our efforts to combat the cartel activity, human traffickers and individual criminals who threaten the safety of people across Texas and America."

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Perry is expected to send about 1,000 troops to the border, and by some estimates, the move will cost Texas taxpayers as much as $12 million per month.

Two weeks ago, when Perry and Obama met for a 15 minute helicopter conversation on the border crisis, Perry requested that troops be sent to the border. He intended for the troops to increase border security until roughly 3,000 new border patrol agents could complete training. Obama said he might be open to the ideas, but had yet to take action. Perry's decision to order up the National Guard on his own authority means Texas taxpayers will foot the bill for the deployment.


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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

FACT = these children are NOT illegal immigrants


They are LEGALLY in the U$A under US Law on Refugees, and have LEGAL Refugee Status upon arrival.



kergo1spaceship
kergo1spaceship

Secure our borders....like every other country in the world?  Why would we want to do that? 

TominAustin
TominAustin

Quick Maw, load my quad 50s into the pickup, I'm headed to the border to fight off those pesky Mexican gang-bangers firing on our troops. - Paw.  Sure thing, Paw, I'll throw in an extra 5000 rds of AP as a back-up. - Maw

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

Democrats bitch about slowing down immigration and wanting to deport trespassers, but have nothing to say about Mexicans firing 50 mm combat ammunition across the border at our Border Patrol agents. 


Mexico might as well be at war with us.  The question now is whether we will defend ourselves and our country....as well as our borders.

Lakewooder
Lakewooder

Myrna, DonkeyHotay, others,


Millions of US citizens are trapped in a grinding cycle of poverty. Our health care system is in shambles. I'm just curious: at what point do you say "enough" and stop the flow of illegal immigrants? Are you okay with another million immigrants? 5 million? 10 million? 20 million? Where do you draw the line?

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@DonkeyHotay That is largely incorrect.  They are violating our borders and trespassing into our country. 


These children *may* be refugees in Mexico.  But, when they leave Mexic and come here, they are illegal aliens and in violation of our laws. 



RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas I think you mean .50cal.  Throwing 50mm ammo at US Federal personnel actually would be an act of war and would earn a rapid response from the US Military.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Lakewooder "Millions of US citizens are trapped in a grinding cycle of poverty. Our health care system is in shambles"


and NONE of that is caused by immigrants, legal or undocumented.


hth.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@Lakewooder It's not just the immigrants that are the problem.  It's the diseases - many of which we eradicated decades ago, personal body pests like lice, pubic lice, bed bugs, kissing bugs, and serious mosquito-borne diseases that could wipe out thousands of people.



And, that doesn't even cover the costs of their increase in the crime rate, flooding hospital emergency rooms, sucking welfare intended for Americans dry, and causing car and truck accidents they won't pay for.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@DonkeyHotay @noblefurrtexas It's my own damn fault.  That's what I get for typing abut 50 mm lenses for two hours without changing mental measurements.


But, it's great  to meet someone perfect with such an impressive vocabulary and polite demeanor. 


I'm curious, does your juvenile probation officer know you're using his computer while he changes the batteries in your ankle monitor.  :)

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@RTGolden1 @noblefurrtexas Thanks RT.  That's exactly what I meant.  Having actually been in combat and having seen the damage a 50 cal. machine gun can do, I should be more careful in my typing. 


I consider firing 50 cal. bullets across the border to be an act of war, and want to know what the idiot government of Mexico is going to do about it. 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@DonkeyHotay @Lakewooder Not at all true!  Good Health hs one of the most valuable things one can have.  When emergency rooms are cramped with illegals stealing free medical care and crowding out other Americans who deserve the care, that perpetuates illness and robs those who deserve it of good medical care - despite their being poor. 


Illegals have automobile accidents every day, and a number of those are with people who need their only vehicle in order to work.  Illegal aliens not only don't have insurance, but frequently commit "hit and runs" to escape detection. 


Illegals suck up our resources, and crowd out deserving Americans, many of whom are poor. 


And, "undocumented" is still a lawbreaker and illegal alien trespasser.

Lakewooder
Lakewooder

@DonkeyHotay 


You didn't answer my question so I'll ask again. In your opinion, how many additional illegal immigrants can we absorb?

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul @RTGolden1 @noblefurrtexas There is a huge difference in what he meant and what he wrote.  The .50 cal is a 12.7mm round.  The Bradley AFV mounts a 25mm cannon.  The A-10 Thunderbolt (Tank killer close ground support jet) has 30mm cannons. The Paladin self propelled howitzer fires 105mm rounds.  The M203 grenade launcher fires 40mm grenades, the BOFORS cannon is 40mm.  Only reference I can find for 50mm is the German Panzer III tank and the Me 410 Air Defense gun mounted topside on older naval vessels.

And, I would assume, 'combat' ammunition is any ammunition fired from a gun during combat.  Kinda the same kind of heaving-bosom over-reaching terminology that brought us 'assault' rifles.

Hot.Sauce
Hot.Sauce

All humans deserve access to health care regardless of nationality, race, sex, etc.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Lakewooder @DonkeyHotay There is no answering that question, because it is a political question, not a mathematical one.

What will change right now if we build a wall to stop the flow?  And after we deport every illegal we can find?  Will that fix the health care system?  Will it reduce crime, meaningfully, nationwide?  Will it reduce teen pregnancy?  Will it increase my, or your, standard of living?  Will it end poverty, drug abuse, spouse abuse or drunk driving?  Will acts of violence amazingly cease to happen?

No, it won't.  Politicians need issues like this to survive.  If you get rid of this situation, the politicians will invent another one that keeps the people divided and at each others' throats, instead of demanding more government transparency and accountability.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Lakewooder ... as many as necessary.


Give them amnesty and papers, and they won't be "illegal".


hth.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@RTGolden1 

Apparently, you missed the humor.  Being hit by 50 cal and being hit by 50 mm is like the difference between being killed and being killed dead.


Oh, I almost forgot:


HUMOR ALERT WILL ROBINSON HUMOR ALERT

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@RTGolden1 Despite my NRA membership, I generally consider "combat ammunition" to be ammo that is most often applied for military use - especially combat situations. 


On the other side of the coin, I HATE the phrase "assault weapons".  I never made a weapon used for aggression that wasn't also a weapon used for defense.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@RTGolden1 Well it's not exactly sport or hunting ammo, and I can't imagine using it for targets at most ranges.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@Hot.Sauce That sounds very nice, but how are physicians and medical personnel supposed to be paid? 


We don't have socialized medicine in this country, and though there are access points for indigents and emergencies. 


But, many of those who take it COULD pay for it, but are too cheap.  That's been proved at Parkland over and over. 



noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@RTGolden1 @Lakewooder @DonkeyHotay 

Deporting all of the illegals would do the following: 

1)  Lower insurance rates in Texas and other states

2)  Improve the public health picture of communities

3)  Immediately improve education because of over-crowding of illegals as students

4)  give American jobs back to Americans

5)   lighten traffic in cities like Dallas - one of the main cities that is an illegal destination is Dallas...where over half our Latinos are illegals

6)  Getting rid of our illegals would also improve our overall economy.  They send so much money back to Mexico, and other countries, that it reduces both the flow-through of money and GDP

7.  One of the main points of damage they do is insult America and American citizens by thumbing their noses at the rule of law in our country.  That's not good for anybody and is a terrible example to American children in our schools. 

 

TexMarine
TexMarine

@DonkeyHotay define "necessary". Where is the need for low skilled labor?  I guess you like your wages suppressed.

Lakewooder
Lakewooder

Most ridiculous statement in the history of UP. Congrats

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@DonkeyHotay @Lakewooder That's like saying that if you give a burglar or trespasser a key to your house, he's no longer a criminal. 


If a jewelry store give a holdup man all of it's jewelry, then he's no longer a thief. 


Illegal aliens are lawbreakers who have no respect for our country, or laws, and fellow Americans. 

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas @Hot.Sauce

Righto, nft, the only things socialized in this country are the losses sustained by well-connected businesses.

Socialism in the USA is for the rich.

Hot.Sauce
Hot.Sauce

Republican for-profit health care dictates if you can't afford to pay cash for a private concierge doctor then don't get sick.

Or quit your bitching and wait in line at the overcrowded clinic.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas 

You have a history of making outlandish claims with no backing. this list is more of the same, to wit:

1) If illegal immigrants caused higher auto insurance rates, the most expensive cities for insurance would be where there are a high % of illegals. it isn't true, you're wrong: http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/insurance/2014/02/03/expensive-cities-car-insurance/

2) Illegal immigrants are not the cause of citizen's "public health" issues, lifestyle decisions are. Smoking, obesity. It is not if there are illegal immigrants living nearby.

3) Education achievement is by illegal immigrants has been realized in every community in America, if the children of illegal immigrants were not in classrooms it is ridiculous to claim that achievement by other students would improve.

4) those jobs are available for Americans should they want them, there is no barrier preventing the American worker from doing the very jobs illegal immigrants perform.

5) if there are fewer people there would be less traffic on the roads. With that idea why don't we just not allow anybody new to move here? an idiotic reason to say the least.

6) Do you understand GDP? The "P" is for product, that is what the illegal immigrant produces as a worker. The illegal immigrant contributes, not reduces, to the GDP of the USA. The $ that go outside of the USA thru remittances create demand for our exports, too.

7) Hard to understand how it could be seen as an "insult" that a person braves the risks of coming to the USA, lives in the black economy with no legal protections, leaves their family to earn a living to better themselves, because they see the USA as such a great place to be. It's a statement of our attractiveness, of why the USA is such a great place to be.

total failure on your part.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas "That's like saying that if you give a burglar or trespasser a key to your house, he's no longer a criminal. "


Yep, it's called extended family.



noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas 

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas I'll just address #6, since the rest of the responses are B.S. or simply incorrect.

The source of some of this is Richard Fisher, President of the Dallas Fed; some is from Dallas Chamber and the Dallas Convention and Visitors Bureau, and some is from Prof. Jack Steiber who used to be at SMU - Cox Business School. 


It is a valid study in economics to track how many times a dollar goes through a local community.  The claims by theorists estimate somewhere between 4 and 7 times; other say more.  But, it is a fact, money from conventions and visitors, all other things being equal, has among the highest flow-through rates.

When money flows through a community, it is eventually spent somewhere for goods and services.  However, there is virtually NO flow-though on money/cash sent back to other countries as remittances.   That, in turn, reduces GDP. 


Here's a simple example;  If you get a paycheck, you put it in your bank.  That increases their demand deposits available for lending/investment, which in turn increase GDP. 


You write checks to merchants who, in turn provide paychecks for their employees, buy goods and equipment and pay rent and light bills and insurance with your money.  Each stop in the flow-through increases GDP.  (Think of GDP as Gross Domestic Production, rather than the more technical term Product. - although "Product" is correct in terms of economics. 


Where illegals who send back remittances are concerned, that money doesn't flow through the economy, but goes immediately to a foreign country.  Most of the time in Mexico, the money isn't spent for consumer goods made in the U.S.A. So, the money doesn't return to America. 


That's the short version; but it's accurate.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas ... people who have sufficient financial wealth don't need insurance, they self-insure and pay cash. Just like they don't need mortgages or auto loans.


You just aren't successful enough, so you rely upon socialized insurance pools to pay for what you're too poor to afford directly, then like a typical Repuglycan, you blame others for your own financial failures.


Hire your own private physician, or send your kids to med school so you can get free health care, or like Hot.Sauce said, quite whining and blaming others for the things you can't afford.




mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas

"flow-through rate"???

what you are describing is called the multiplier effect. as a $ is spent it is respent. the number of times it goes thru the economy depends on several factors, the most important is the propensity of the recipient to spend or save. the higher the savings rate the lower the multiplier.

the remittances are like a person who doesn't respend the money received.

using your logic we should disincentivize savings and reward consumption.that is not a viable economic policy.

as a % of the income, remittances are less than the amount of $ taken out of circulation by those who choose to not spend their income.

Likewise, the immigrant who works and lives contributes to the multiplier by re-spending the income on goods and services while they are here. they contribute to the multiplier.

US exports to Mexico were $243 Billion in 2012. Remittances from the US to Mexico was estimated at $20 Billion in 2013. Clearly you have no grasp of what you are talking about.

http://www.ibtimes.com/remittances-worldwide-increase-2013-except-mexico-us-crisis-hurting-mexican-economy-1421714

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@DonkeyHotay @noblefurrtexas Mortgage companies don't let you self-insure.  Companies like GE Credit don't allow you to self-insure your purchased car or leased vehicle. 


Other than the U.S. military, I've only worked for one company that was self-insured.  But, they had enough income, retained earnings, and low risks that it made sense...and was less expensive. 


Most companies wouldn't take the risk of being self-insured, and those publicly traded (except for giants like AT&T and GE), wouldn't be able to survive the laugh test from investment bankers and brokers.

On the other hand, some homeowners without mortgages cannot get insurance in places like the Outer Banks of North Carolina, so homeowners frequently have no other choice. 

Welcome to that no-worry retirement. 



RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas a small note to add.  Americans, with their dependency on credit and inability to manage it, are multiplying by zero (spending money they don't have) at every level.  From the young family, to the small business, to the corporations to the government.  Our GDP is reduced more by debt than it is by remittances outside the country.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas The only reason I didn't use "multiplier effect" was an attempt to simply the description.  If I am given cash for doing work, and bury it in my backyard or put it under my mattress, that's about the only way I can take it out of local circulation. 


The moment I put it in the bank, it begins to flow through the economy. 


I don't know where you got the idea that I disincentivize savings and reward consumption.  Savings provide banks, credit unions, or investment firms with money they in turn send through the economy. 


Money that is earned cutting yards is often paid in cash.  Some of the money can be converted and sent immediately out of the country as remittances.  Even if some of it was used to buy an American good of some kind, it would still have fewer stops in Mexico than in the local community and the U.S. 


Remittances reduce GDP.  You just can't get around it. You may theorize that Mexicans take their remittances and run right out and buy American goods, but that is not nearly the same as the money being spent in the United States.  I'm a little surprised you didn't know that. 


I'm also surprised you didn't think taking $20 billion out of circulation in the U.S. was a big deal.  While I would quarrel with the estimated number; the result is the same, and it lowers GDP.


Guess why the government HATES U.S. companies sending money out of the United States.  Same reason; the taxing opportunities are reduced, and GDP is reduced. (And if that company has employees out of the country, the impact is even more pronounced.)

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas ... financially independent people don't need mortgages, nor car loans, they pay CASH.


And in many states anyone can "self-insure" for Automobile liability coverage by posting a sufficient bond directly with the state.


Once again, poor unsuccessful chumps like you are merely blaming others for your own failures.


If you can't afford to PAY CASH for the things you want -- like Houses, Cars, Yachts, Medical Care -- then either do without, or quit crying that you're being treated like the "other poor people" who, in spite of your misplaced sense of superiority from your Repuglykkkan delusions -- are JUST LIKE YOU.



mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas 

you used a phrase "flow through rate" to "simply the description"? uh, do you normally make up phrases when the accurate words work? odd to say the least.

savings do not equal lending. lenders may not feel comfortable with the direction of the economy and reduce lending, or raise standards. it is inaccurate to say "the moment I put [deposits] into a bank it begins to flow through the economy". many variables are at play. it is not that simple.

the US  GDP in 2013 was $16.8 Trillion. $20 billion equates to .0012% of the GDP. not meaningful is accurate.

US companies "sending money out of the United States" means zero as far as how much taxes they pay. taxes are paid on profit, not on how much money the co. has or doesn't have.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@DonkeyHotay @noblefurrtexas Are you on drugs or something?  I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. 


I'm well aware that the Texas financial responsibility laws allows you to post a bond rather than buying insurance.  But, that bond pays no interest, is subject to being raised, and is just a down payment if you cause an accident with deaths or serious, debilitating injuries to the other party or your own unrelated passengers. 


I don't know what your threshold for "successful" is, but plenty of impoverished people like Ross Perot, Ray Hunt, and Mark Cuban have insurance.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas 

You also incorrect about on a number of accounts: 

I never said savings equals lending.  They're certainly related, but don't have an identical value.  I also recognize interest rates, economic conditions, and other factors influence how much they feel comfortable lending.  There is also the impact of what the government wants/requires as reserves. 

But, speaking of sending money out of the country, in the news last week was an expression of consternation on the part of the government that so many U.S. companies have foreign operations for the purposes of tax havens and/or reduced taxes.  The government could be wrong, but Milton Friedman says (said) it's not. 

I never said remittances reduces GDP by a huge amount.  They do reduce it, as I said. 

But, as long as we're at it, lets straighten the impact of illegals on car insurance rates. 

As you may know or have heard, insurance companies basically risk rate various segments of the economy based on occurrence rates of negative events and their costs. 

Illegals have four problems driving in Dallas; most are poor or marginal drivers, they typically driver old cars with not enough maintenance, they don't have insurance or have little insurance, and many don't have a license or insurance.  

Actuaries are interesting people, and have an uncanny accuracy to risk rating and tracking rates of events and subsequent claims.  In Dallas, if you have a wreck with an illegal alien, the chances are they don't have insurance.  It's a waste of time to file a lawsuit, and the police won't even arrest them because of their status. 

So, you end up paying for your damage, and sometimes their damage.  The typical insurance company is going to raise your rates.  But, that accident and details about it are also part of the statistics for Dallas,  The more accidents and claims, the higher the rates are (all other things being equal). Don't believe me?  Call State Farm and ask them. 

 

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas You really think Ross Perot, Ray Hunt, and Mark Cuban wait in line at crowded hospitals or medical clinics for treatment because of their insurance carrier rules?


LOL!


YOU are simply too poor to be able to PAY CASH for quality private on-demand health care, so quit crying and get in line with the rest of the poor people, including immigrants both documented and undocumented.


Immigrants aren't the reason YOU failed in life, sucker.



mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas 

first, let's get back to the original point: your post made claims about illegal immigrants that were grossly inaccurate.

I never said savings equals lending. you said The moment I put it in the bank, it begins to flow through the economy. spin it however you desire, but you did say it.

US companies are using foreign subsidiaries as tax dodges to shield profit. taxes are not paid on revenue, they are paid on profit. This is the goal of "inversions", avoiding paying the US taxes on profit from US operations.

You make several sweeping generalizations on latino drivers, also on lower income drivers as well. a very big brush you have, but they are just opinions, not facts.

I provided the list of cities with the highest auto insurance costs, DFW not being on the list, a list that says your opinions are not accurate.

the most egregious comment was Actuaries are interesting people. are you kidding me? do you know any? a very dry set of people to say the least...

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@DonkeyHotay @noblefurrtexas Ross Perot has health insurance through a former computer client of his; Blue Cross Blue Shield.  (We see the same physician, and I've run into him several times.)  I don't know about other of his holdings, but I can guarantee his lake house on Lake Texoma and his yacht that frequent travels the Caribbean are insured.


Ray Hunt drills oil and gas wells all over the world.  You can bet he insures his rigs, employees, and support equipment.  He would be insane not to. 


I don't know what Cuban's current insurance arrangements are.  But, it is difficult to believe he completely self insures with the huge liabilities and investments he has, and the investments in team players subject to injury and other significant liabilities. 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas State Farm says you're wrong. 


You may know some boring actuaries; I can imagine you would lament their disagreement with you on almost every turn. 


Again, you're wrong about my saying 'savings equals lending', and you can't find those words in any of my posts. 


(Are you sure you're not on something!?!)

Illegals, even those driving illegally, generally don't get cited for accidents.  The law is that unless a police officer sees the accident take place, or finds evidence of a crime, they cannot even give them a ticket.   Remember, they're non-citizens. 

Dallas traffic has become famous for its bad drivers and traffic jams.  Sit at a light, and look who is driving the cars around you.  Except in Preston Hollow, the chances are good many- if not most - will be Latinos. 

Or dry driving in Mexico, and see how that works out for ya.  It's a disaster in motion. 


You're welcome to try and sell people on Latinos being good drivers - or even average drivers, but I can't imagine anyone not simply laughing and shaking their heads. 





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