Dallas Preps for Incoming Immigrant Kids, But Will Obama's Promise of Federal Funds Be Enough?

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Bill Holston, executive director of Human Rights Initiative of North Texas, is glad North Texas is welcoming immigrant kids, but worries about resources.
For a major bureaucratic initiative, County Judge Clay Jenkins' plan to house around 2,000 unaccompanied immigrant children in Dallas County is falling into place very quickly. Just this past Saturday, Jenkins announced at the Texas Democratic convention his plan to shelter these kids in Dallas by the end of the month. He wasn't kidding.

Already, Dallas ISD has said it intends to donate three now-empty schools to use as temporary homes for the kids -- Billy Earl Dade Middle School and Harllee Elementary School in south Dallas and Hulcy Middle School near Duncanville.

"The initial contracts will be 120-day contracts. They could be extended, but before any site is chosen, we'll have community meetings, we'll discuss it with the community, we'll lay out to the community a town hall with exactly what will be happening there," Jenkins said Saturday. With three possible shelter sites selected, Jenkins will have to start organizing those town meetings sooner than he thought.

The move comes after the startling announcement by President Obama that he will soon take executive action, without Congress, toward immigration reform. Obama spoke on the heels of the two-year anniversary of Obama's deferred deportation executive order, otherwise known as DACA.

The past two years have witnessed the huge ripple effect from DACA in the lives of thousands of undocumented young adults. It seems more executive orders will be necessary to move forward with immigration reform: Among other things, Obama mentioned sending additional resources to the border, and toward care for the thousands of unaccompanied immigrant children pouring across the border.

So it comes as no surprise that Jenkins is reassuring Dallas taxpayers that they will not be funding the shelters. But some Dallasites are worrying that between funding a shelter, medical, social and legal services, any federal funding could potentially fall short in the actual cost of care.

Bill Holston, executive director of Human Rights Initiative of North Texas, says that while he's thrilled Dallas is stepping up to the plate to take care of these kids, there's still too many questions about funding and facility services to celebrate just yet.

HRI currently provides around 50 child-clients with immigration legal services and would be hard-pressed to take on much more. "I'm happy our county and city are not in the category of municipalities that want to turn their back on the problem," he said.

"I think people in Dallas will rise to the occasion. We're getting contacted by people that want to volunteer, and all the faith groups are enthusiastic about helping these kids," he said. "But make no mistake about it, it'll be a demand on anyone seeking to be involved. It will stretch their resources, and these are resources that are already stretched."


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Catbird
Catbird

Why are thousands of these people being brought into Dallas County?


What happens if these "children" are bio-weapons infected by terrorists with Ebola or Anthrax? 


Isn't that one of Bush/Obamas biggest "fears"?


Isn't this how they justify the "Patriot Act"?


Isn't this how they justify the existence of "DHS"?


Why is the Border Patrol and ICE not stopping them at the border? 


Where is FEMA in all of this?


Isn't this what the famous "FEMA Camps" are for? As far as I can tell there are three of them in Texas: Here are the GOOGLE Map coordinates:


1. Beaumont Texas Located 5.9 miles south of Beaumont on West Port Arthur Road from US
69/US 96/US278. Take a right on Knauth Rd. A total of four camps at this site.
29.96463874609728n
94.0794038772583w
Then at : (29.98831895584124n 94.05256032943726); and: (29.995102276866433n 94.04932022094727) and: (29.99473989198384n 94.03977692127228) there are a total of 6 in this area
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2. Henderson Texas north of town at the junction of 571 hwy and FM 2276 (Old Kilgore hwy)
32.18276810445528n
94.81527328491211w
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3. Bartlett Texas: Located west of town on the north side of Cr342 or Arnold Dr.
30.794677200658867n
97.44300127029419w  


WHY IS OUR COUNTY JUDGE BRINGING 2000 OF THEM TO DALLAS COUNTY?

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

This is already a bloody disaster, and not a single child has arrived here.

1.  You cannot take children, many with highly-contagious and dangerous diseases, and covered with lice and other parasites, and house them in dormitory situations where the problems will spread like wildfire.

2.  Three schools do not have sufficient showers and bathrooms to adequately take care of 2,000 children LIVING there full-time.  

3.  The daily and weekly costs of fumigating and cleaning the dormitories, bedding, and  clothing will be huge, and require competent staff familiar with hospital sepsis and communicable disease prevention.

4.  The number of qualified and screened adults to take care of this many children will cost a bloody fortune, and the amount of security needed for the building and inside child protection will be enormous.

5.  Many of these children need medical and psychiatric care.  Busing them to Parkland Hospital is impractical, and bringing physicians to the schools is also impractical.

6. What will the children do for clothing and shoes?  And, how will their clothing be washed frequently and fumigated?  

7.  Many of these children need constant medical care.  How can you adequately provide that without large "ward" arrangements, and a heavy load of medical staff?

8.  If children are going to be dressing and undressing in the schools, there will need to be screens or curtains put in place at the windows, and between male and female children.

 

9.  Children will have to be fed three meals per day, and many will be on special diets.  It is not likely the schools are set up for this, don't have sufficient dieticians to supervise special meal needs, and enough kitchen staff to prepare all the meals necessary.

 

10.  What are these children going to do all day, and how will they get sufficient exercise?  How will they communicate with their families and friends?

 

11.  The utilities for these operations will cost a king's ransom, and Dallas County and City of Dallas taxpayers are not going to pay those bills. The federal government is already headed to $18 Trillion in debt, and does not have budgets for these operations.

 

12.  Fire safety is going to be a major issue with this absurd project.  You cannot lock children in classroom dormitories, and the staff to provide a trained adult around the clock will cost huge sums of money.

dfw_maverick
dfw_maverick

Shouldn't someone be closing our border now so we don't continue allowing tens of thousands of kids to cross it?

dsjohnson64
dsjohnson64

And what happens when the 2,000 turns into 20,000 and then turns into 40,000 and then...............?   Does anyone seriously think Dallas County taxpayers aren't going to be paying for this through their federal taxes and eventually their local taxes.  I suppose one silver lining is there will be increased employment opportunities at DISD, at Parkland and at the Dallas County corrections systems.  That is until the remaining taxpayers flee to the suburban/exurban counties!  Talk about a recipe for disaster!  Are those who talk about the new urbanism--including the mayor of Dallas--paying attention?


Meanwhile, I notice that the Dallas Central Appraisal District (DCAD) lists Clay Jenkins home in Highland Park at $881,660 for tax purposes.  That includes 2,826 square feet with 4 bedrooms and 3 1/2 baths and still other rooms that could be used for dormitory purposes.  With bunk beds and a little effort, Clay might be able to squeeze in 30 to 40 of the illegal alien minors (who are mainly males from 14 to 17 years old).  If any DALLAS MORNING NEWS editors or columnists live nearby, then they could help with any overflow problems!

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

Looks like job growth and security for Bill Holston.  No wonder he is smiling.


Besides don't Dallas taxpayers pay Federal taxes?

Getemouttahere
Getemouttahere

So.... If the US sends all of it's homeless children to Central American  countries.. will they do the same as the USA is doing??? House, Feed and keep healthy... I don't think so... they'll just pack 'em up and send them back faster than the USA. So why dont we???  it is NOT our responsibility to care for the worlds immigrants... It may sound mean, but SEND THEM BACK HOME NOW!!! we are not the worlds babysitters... compassion is one thing, but there are limits... and abusing the system is all that they are doing and they know it!!

dingo
dingo

...but before any site is chosen, we'll have community meetings, we'll discuss it with the community, we'll lay out to the community a town hall with exactly what will be happening there... 

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B. E. Dade Middle School is at the corner of MLK and Grand. That town hall meeting might be interesting.

parisrec
parisrec

progresso or represso fascists- what's the diff? ...BushObamaBushObama and onna and onna. Another 2 years of pre-election hell.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

I've noticed that as Obama's "weaknesses" become harder and harder to defend, and as his popularity wanes, True Believers have stooped trying to defend him - now when his lies or incompetence are brought up and he's mocked, the defense is increasingly BUSH!! or Reagan!!!.

Funny.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@bvckvs 

That you don't understand public health and medical treatment situations says more about you than anything. 


Like most Progressives, you think everything will take care of itself, and haven't a clue how to plan a humanitarian and SAFE response to this crisis brought about by Mr. Leading From Behind who has been judged the worst president since WWII.


I am not anti-immigrant any more than you're a rocket scientist.  I AM very much in favor of legal immigration that follows the law and protections of our country.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Catbird Dude, the FEMA camps aren't for immigrants, legal or illegal.  they're for Americans who protest the actions of the government.  Everyone knows that.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@Catbird 

What happens if these "children" are bio-weapons infected by terrorists with Ebola or Anthrax?

good lord, now we've gone from the ridiculous to the absurd.

people don't "infect" other people with anthrax, unless you were to consume the infected person...don't think anyone is going to go cannibal with these kids, except of course those who take Jonathan Swift seriously.

and ebola as a bio-weapon? one, the idea that anyone could use the virus and stay clean themselves is a reach, and two if infected with ebola the kids would be dead by the time they got here.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

13.  Each school will need at least two or more "visitors centers".  They have to be staffed, have to be supplied with proper furniture, and need full-time security guards. 


14.  How are these children going to be trained in their individual languages to use the facility, get along with others, and participate in safety measures like  fire drills?


15.  What will be done about the need for entertainment for all of these children?  You can't have 30 people arguing over one television program to watch.


16.  Each school will need medical examination rooms that would be much more sophisticated and larger than a typical school nurses' office. 


17.  There will need to be corridors in the school for children with contagious diseases to separate them from the other children.  Those corridors have to be staffed and guarded.  Adequate isolation is critical for communicable diseases.


18.  Each school will need discipline procedures, and special rooms for dealing with these problems.  (One of the unreported problems with all of these children is fights - often from bullying.)  

19.  Most of these children will need outdoor exercise and playground use.  But, they will be on display for neighborhoods to see - and react.  You can't shut off the need for going outside, and you can't build walls around the playgrounds. 

20.  Because these facilities will require a huge staff, each will need staff dining rooms, separate bathrooms, and lounges. 

The costs for this are astronomical!  

Oh.....has anyone noticed that 120 days is about when the November General Election is?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@CololnelAngus

This was a problem with the illegal community in LA 25 years ago, this is why we never, ever let our illegals ride in the cab, always in the bed of the truck traveling to job sites.

One of the reasons we did this was because the illegals also didn't want to ride in the cab with others they didn't know, because "los salvadoreños portadores de enfermedades" (Salvadorans carry disease)

bill.holston1
bill.holston1

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul Thanks Paul, I'm smiling because I enjoy my work, and I have a great staff. There is no job security anywhere anymore, and certainly not in the non profit arena. 

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Getemouttahere Whether we pay to house, feed and care for these kids within our borders with federal emergency funding or within their borders through our foreign aid and UN funding (for we and a few other nations provide the bulk of UN funding), we are still going to pay for it.

At least if we do it here, we have some control over how the funds are spent.  If we ship them back to Honduras, the funding will likely end up fattening some oligarch's pocket.

snuffleupagus
snuffleupagus

"Progressives" are NAIVE utopian fantasists.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@bvckvs @noblefurrtexas What WON'T fall is our level of debt, and our taxes.  This reckless adventure for political purposes will have a catastrophic price tag, and taxpayers will pick those costs up, one way or the other, without any say or approval of what is being done. 


Taxation without representation is not a new concept, and it eventually got Great Britain's attention.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas 

the contradiction of your expressed compassion for the children's well being and comfort, against your constant drum beating on shipping them immediately back to where they fled regardless of the danger to them, is striking.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@bvckvs @dfw_maverick "We" didn't decide anything.  "We" weren't consulted.  This has been shoved down our throats by the same Democrat administration that created the crisis!


It is a fact; these children were NOT fleeing sudden conditions or the dangers of war.  They were sent here, often by parents who paid thousands of dollars for them to be illegally smuggled into the United States. 


The problems in these countries have gone on for years; this is no sudden crisis.  It was manufactured. Other countries have much worse problems, so why weren't they at the head of the line?


That said, I still believe we should close the border, take care of these children until they can be deported, and then make clear we will withdraw foreign aid if this is done again.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@bvckvs @dfw_maverick These children are illegal aliens; not "refugees".  By definition, they are not refugees.  In fact, many of them are gang members entering this country to terrorize Americans.  But, of course, the Border Patrol doesn't know which ones are which, because they're changing diapers.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@bvckvs @dsjohnson64 You're dreaming.  We'll have 40,000 more welfare cases trained from childhood to be dependetn on government and people  who DO pay taxes. 

Just look at today's third-generation culture of welfare dependency if you doubt that. 

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@bill.holston1 @ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul 

Hello Bill.  Primarily I was being sarcastic.  While my heart goes out to these children, I am very concerned about the backstory on this problem.

Thank you for stepping up to the plate for taking care of these children, however I remain unconvinced that this problem is not of their own making.  There are just too many items that do not make sense in this story.


I am especially appalled that Judge Jenkins is going around saying that this will not cost taxpayers any money.  Just where does he think that federal moneys come from?


I am of the opinion that illegal immigration has removed economic pressures from Central American (including Mexico) countries by maintaining a low unemployment in their countries by sending their excess labor to America.  After the American financial collapse in 2008 and American unemployment went to close to 13%, the unemployment rate in the Republic of Mexico did not exceed 8% during the same time period.  If illegal immigration of the Mexican labor force to America did not occur, the unemployment rate in Mexico would be around 20%.  I do not think that any government would last for long with that level of unemployment.


Additionally, remittances by illegal aliens to their home countries (primarily Mexico) is larger than any foreign aid program by the US government.  The remittances to the Republic of Mexico at times have reached close to 10% of the Mexican GDP.

The United States is propping up Mexico and Central America through the combination of lack of enforcement of American immigration laws and remittances by the illegal immigrants back to their home countries.


The problem of illegal immigration to the US from Mexico and Central America will probably only be solved when these countries develop an open banking system and provide a market for the the equitable access to capital.


Carlos Helu' is probably the best example of the problems with the economic system in Mexico.  His personal wealth is equal to about 10% of Mexico's GDP and he personally controls somewhere in excess of  90% of the telephone system in Mexico.  He is lauded in the US as an astute businessman, yet in actuality he is nothing more than a slumlord.

This is a complicated problem and the solution will not be easy for any of the countries.  But the problem will not be solved by treating the symptoms rather than the cause.


Good Luck with your endeavors.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@RTGolden1 @Getemouttahere I partially agree with you.  However, NONE of this should be done without approval and budgetary consent of Congress per our constitution. 


Emergency management funds are budgeted for disasters impacting Americans.  We have tens of millions of our countrymen who lost jobs, are going hungry, and who live a terrible life -- even though they paid taxes for years. 


What other countries are helping these children?  Where is the much-vaunted UN and UNESCO?  Where is the International Red Cross? 


We have no obligation to solve a problem Obama started for political reasons, and are close to $18 trillion in debt. 


Yet, we STILL haven't closed the border, and 80% of Border Patrol agents have been removed from security the border to other tasks. 


Let's put the right monkey on the right back.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@sockpuppet

No. Yes.

Next question?

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas But can you provide counter-arguments to the points he brought up.  Some are easy to manage (instruction in their native language? About half the population of the DFW MSA speaks spanish as a first language.  Check).  Some are more difficult and harder to manage, but not impossible (quarantine, medical care, security.  More costly than simple translators and a trickier wire to walk between necessity/expedience - compassion/human rights).

Your comment didn't further the argument, didn't present anything useful to dealing with the situation.  Indeed, all you did was attack the person presenting the issues.  In essence, your response is the heart of the problem/crisis.  Instead of dealing with the issue, we're attacking each other on perceived political differences.

You should be as ashamed of yourself, Mav, as you are trying to make others ashamed of themselves.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@mavdog @noblefurrtexas I was apparently typing too fast for you.  I strongly maintain that we should NEVER have allowed these illegals to cross our border.  They are threatening our population with diseases and infestations, many of which we haven't seen in years. 


If I had my way, we'd clean them up and send them home with strict instructions to those countries NOT to do that again, or we'll pull our foreign aid. 


BUT.....they're here for a time, and need compassion, basic medical care, basic dental care, some need psychiatric counseling, some need to be quarantined, and most have head lice, body lice, public lice, and many have bed bugs in their clothes.


SO.....I believe we should give them basic humanitarian care and get them back home as quickly as possible. This is costing America a fortune -- well into the millions of dollars, and we have a president who can neither tell the truth or count.  However, that is not the fault of the kids. 


(However, they are a walking public health crisis to our children and adults, and we have to deal with the threat. ) 


I strongly suspect political motives behind Jenkins making an offer he had no authority to make.  But, that is not the fault of the kids; either.  They are also used to corrupt and self-serving politicians.  So, they should feel right at home. 


Does that explain better the contradiction about which you were concerned?

Where SHOULD these children be?  They should be at closed military bases that have the basics to accomodate people 24 hours per day, cooking facilities, medical facilities, and security basics already in place.


On edit:  If we try to force these children on our public school system, it will be even more of a bloody disaster for the illegals as well as our teachers and our own kids.



RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas @bvckvs @dfw_maverick And if the border patrol, who is dealing with these kids day in and day out cannot tell you that some kids are or aren't gang members, what makes you and Drudge able to tell?  From far away and on video no less?

dsjohnson64
dsjohnson64

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul @bill.holston1  Carlos Helu (Slim) is also one of the major owners of THE NEW YORK TIMES.  He also profits handsomely from the surge in telecommunications between the United States and Mexico.  I am sure THE NEW YORK TIMES has multiple reasons for supporting mass immigration (legal and illegal).  I also am sure Carlos is not irrelevant to the matter.  And virtually none of the reasons for supporting mass immigration are beneficial to ordinary U.S. citizens. 

dsjohnson64
dsjohnson64

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul @bill.holston1  I can't dispute anything you have to say about Mexico and Central American countries.  Yes it is clear that elites in those countries have very good reasons for exporting their economic "problems" to the United States.  What is less clear is why political elites in the United States think they can get away with supporting this process (though financial support--campaign or otherwise--from economic elites seeking cheap labor is a good explanatory start).


The middle and working classes in the United States have had a stagnant standard of living for the last forty years (if not a declining standard for the last fourteen years).  What is missing from public discourse is any sustained discussion of the role played by immigration--legal and illegal--in this stagnation and decline.  In particular there is virtually no discussion of the impact of immigration on the nation's poorest citizens who are disproportionately African American and Latino.


It is the height of hypocrisy to bemoan the steady increase in income inequality in the United States while at the same time promoting a steady--if not exponential--increase in immigration.  It is no accident that California now has one of the very highest rates of income inequality in the United States as it moves closer to the traditional Latin American economic model of an extraordinarily wealthy upper class with virtually everyone else destitute!



bill.holston1
bill.holston1

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul @bill.holston1 Thank you for that thoughtful response. The only thing that I would add is that it is clearly true that there is much economic immigration from El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and Mexico. But there is also true migration for those fleeing violence. Honduras in particular is one of the most dangerous countries in the world. I've heard first hand stories of children who simply could no longer live safely in their home country. 


The reasons why these children are immigrating is complex. Most studies state that some of the children are coming to join family already here. But there is a large group of these children that are fleeing violence. The children in that category are refugees in the true meaning of that word in International law. 


I thought this article presented a particularly factual description of this sad phenomenon.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/what-right-policy-toward-unaccompanied-children-us-borders


and Thank you for your good wishes. We need them. 

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas @RTGolden1 @Getemouttahere "Where is the much-vaunted UN and UNESCO?  Where is the International Red Cross? "  You didn't get that in my initial comment?  Effectively, when it comes to funding things like this, the US and about 4 other countries ARE the UN and UNESCO and UNICEF.  If we dropped out of the UN, it would cease to exist, because it couldn't afford to keep going.

username
username

@TheRuddSki Maybe if you joined one of those Jewish social groups you wouldn't need to post here 38 times every hour.  You should learn to share your bitterness with others that are near you.  You are far to giving of your specialness here.  We love you more than love itself but you are simply far too giving and we are far too undeserving of such non-stop brilliance. 

JFPO
JFPO

FYI...what you all day, every day, is not much of a life.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@RTGolden1 

no RT, that post was a load of insincere handwringing about the plight of the children in an attempt to paint a picture of why we shouldn't act as Jenkins has done.

anyone with a brain understands the needs of the children and that it requires effort and money to provide for them, but this list was used to say let's NOT care for them. sort of "it's too much, let's just not do it".

not trying to make others "ashamed of themselves", they know the duplicity they are attempting, I'm just pointing it out.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@RTGolden1 @noblefurrtexas @bvckvs @dfw_maverick

I don't know anything about what Drudge knows, although he has an excellent reputation for accuracy.  But, the Border Patrol is overwhelmed, and they are missing a huge number of illegals who are NOT turning themselves over. 

The normal immigration process is to screen everyone coming into the United States for illness and disease, criminal conduct or police record, and other concerns that have to do with the ability to support themselves. 

The Border Patrol HAS found members of the MS-13 gang hiding amongst these children; nobody knows how many escaped detection. 




ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@dsjohnson64 @ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul @bill.holston1 

Probably the desire to have a politically stable country to our south may have a little bit to do with it.


As far as illegal immigrants depressing wages, just look at the situation in Cactus, Texas and some of the towns in Iowa where the major meat processors are located.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@bill.holston1 @ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul 

If people flee Central and South America due to violence, then why didn't we see massive influx of illegal immigrants from Columbia, Peru and Bolivia from the narcowars?

The question remains, how do we distinguish between economic refugees from those fleeing deadly violence?

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@mavdog @ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul 

It is interesting to note that the Mexican economy increased by 5% from 2008 to 2009; and, contracted by 20% from 2009 to 2010, yet the Mexican unemployment rate remained stable.


By contrast the US GDP dropped by about 6% from 2008 to 2009, and the US unemployment rate more than doubled.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@JFPO

Whoever you are responding to is probably checking their surroundings for cams.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@mavdog We look at things differently then.  Those are the questions that have to be answered if we are going to do this thing properly.  The Republican answer to the poor and needy is to just say "fuck you".  the Democrat answer is to cover all the problems with money and be done with it.  At least the republicans are honest about their villainy.

You can't just bring these kids to Dallas without a plan, a way to finance that plan, and logistics in place to carry out the plan.  If you think it can be done that way successfully, you are not the thinker I had assumed you to be.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@bvckvs @noblefurrtexas @mavdog Ummmm...nobody is talking missile silos. Military bases are facilities like Lackland, Ft. Hood, Carswell AFB, etc.


(However, the problem at Lackland seems to be HHS personnel; not facilities.)

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

@bvckvs @noblefurrtexas @mavdog You have just proved you don't understand either rescue operations or disaster response planning.


Seriously, think back to when you were a DISD student, and imagine having to live at the school like a prison for a time. 


If that doesn't bother you, then you really don't understand the problem.  At least military bases are set up for 24/7 operations and housing large numbers of people.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas @RTGolden1 @bvckvs @dfw_maverick MS-13 has been infiltrating gang members into the country in this manner for at least 15 years.  This is not something new, or even especially surprising.

Your point does hammer home the need to keep these kids segregated and out of mainstream society, however.  MS-13 got it's toehold in the US in the Salvadoran refugee community in Los Angeles.  Mara Salvatrucha members in the community had to band together to protect the refugees from other hispanic 'immigrant' communities.  From there, they grew into the worst, most violent street gang on the scene.

dsjohnson64
dsjohnson64

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul  I don't believe the desire for politically stable countries to the south comes anywhere close to being the primary motivator for U.S. elites that are promoting mass immigration.  However, it might be viewed by them as a fringe--and perhaps unintended--benefit.  And from the standpoint of the general U.S. public (not elites), perhaps it is the only benefit.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@RTGolden1

You can't just bring these kids to Dallas without a plan, a way to finance that plan, and logistics in place to carry out the plan. If you think it can be done that way successfully, you are not the thinker I had assumed you to be.

come on RT, your point is a duh. of course there has to be a plan, and having that plan effected.

if however you are of the belief the 20 item list penned above relates to what you stated above, instead of the intent to list reasons why we shouldn't be taking care of these kids, you are not the thinker I believe you are.

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