County Commissioners Field Community Response to Undocumented Kids Plan

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Clay Jenkins

It's not every Tuesday that you see reporters from three Dallas TV stations live tweeting a Dallas County Commissioners' meeting, but that's just what happened today. Why the hubbub? This meeting was a de facto public hearing on County Judge Clay Jenkins' plan to house up to 2,000 undocumented minors in the coming months.

For the most part, those among the standing-room-only crowd who spoke agreed with Jenkins that providing aid to the kids was a matter of compassion rather than politics.

Eric Folkerth, the senior pastor of Northaven United Methodist Church in North Dallas, echoed many of the speakers when he pledged that he and his congregation would do everything they could to help any incoming children.

Jan Sanders, the widow of former U.S. District Judge Barefoot Sanders and a member of Folkerth's church, told Jenkins and the commissioners that she couldn't think of a better way to spend tax dollars.

Other speakers weren't so sure. Eric Williams, an independent running against Eddie Bernice Johnson for her District 30 U.S. House seat, asked Jenkins to consider the needs of kids already in Dallas.

"Why house kids in my blighted community?" he asked.

Still, Williams, along with a few other voices of dissent, were in the minority at this meeting at least. Apprehension over how to help the kids, or how to pay for it, was overcome by the clear desire to do something, anything for a group many of the speakers referred to as "refugees."

After the meeting Mike Cantrell -- the lone Republican commissioner -- told a reporter from WFAA that Jenkins was making a federal problem a Dallas County problem. He wants to see Jenkins plan in writing, he said.

When asked about his potentially attending a Wednesday meeting intended to address the crisis with President Obama, Jenkins deferred all questions to the White House.


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noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

Of course the  OPPOSED speakers against this goofy plan were outnumbered.  Jenkins and Democrats put the word out to get PRO speakers there and pack the agenda. 

Lackland AFB says it can only handle 1,200 illegal aliens. And, it has a wealth of unoccupied buildings, including basic training dorms which could better accommodate these children that abandoned public schools. 

This is not one crisis; it's several.  And, the more we learn about the failure to screen these teenagers for public health diseases, the more we find out that most of them are a problem, and they have already infected people trying to help them - including Border Patrol Agents.  



RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

If you initiate mass immediate repatriation, they'll just stop turning themselves in at the border.  Then we'll have the same problem, but it wont be neatly contained.  This argument has gotten absurd.


1. Yes, this is a problem. A big problem that has been allowed to grow and fester since the last time we granted amnesty.


2. The problem is NOT that these kids ARE here.  The problem is that they GOT here, and nobody is taking measures to stop that from happening.  The whole argument is moot if you don't stop them from coming in.


3. The problem of the kids already here is our fault, we, the people.  We have known since the last amnesty that border control needed to be tightened.  We haven't held enough feet to the fire to get it done.  We were more concerned about air travel customer's bill of rights and whether or not we like the French.  Ignoring it wasn't going to make it go away.  In the six or so years I've been following this board, this topic has come up maybe three or four times, and NOW we want a full court press?


I see two types of commenters here: the ones who think this is the end of the world as we know it and the ones claiming 'nothing to see here, move along'.  As usual, I fall somewhere in the middle.  There is a problem and it needs to be dealt with, rationally, not emotionally.  I still have yet to see either side produce any kind of a written plan to accomplish their objectives, to include funding. How are we going to PAY for this?  What are each of YOU, personally, willing to give up in order to house and feed these children.  For house and feed and care for them we must.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

86% of Republicans believe Congress should take action to fix the immigration system. 79% of Independents agree. The GOP excuse for not acting – the president won’t enforce the law – is not fooling anyone. Some 72% reject that argument, including 2 out of 3 Republicans and 69% of Independents.---Harper Polling

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRudeski 

I'm sure you have some point in linking that quote....by itself it really has no meaning nor context.

leftocenter
leftocenter

The problem needs to be dealt with rationally, without emotion, yes.

The kids are kids.  The federal govt has already pledged to pay for it.  Faith-based groups will be all over it. 

I'll be there.  I'll donate, voluteer, whatever is needed.  I'm no saint, just saying this is what Texans do...when we aren't scaring everyone with open-carry events.  Good folks here. 

bvckvs
bvckvs topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

The Republican position on that says a lot about just how screwed up their thinking is - saying that they'll only consider fixing the system after the president makes the broken system work right.

That's why the president was right when he said that if we're to fix this, we're going to have to do it without them.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Well fuck me, you went away from the cat avatar.  Unfortunately you put a fucking Hillary button up.  That hag doesnt have a chance in hell.  You really want to give the white house back to republicans, run her ass out there

dingo
dingo

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

Here's another excuse that is making the bi-partisan rounds.

It's all Bullsh#t.


There is no required fix needed in order to address the immediate crisis at hand:

Senator Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who helped write the measure, said the White House does not need new power to act. “That law already provides the administration with flexibility to accelerate the judicial process in times of crisis,” she said. “The administration should use that flexibility to speed up the system while still treating these children humanely, with compassion and respect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/us/immigrant-surge-rooted-in-law-to-curb-child-trafficking.html

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Fix the immigration system

That term means so many different things to so many different people, it's essentially a meaningless phrase.

To me, it means deportation, to you, it might mean a free condo for anyone who can skirt the law successfully for a period of time TBD.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

It's not like the poor woman was proposing a "wet line"

bippyizod
bippyizod

@mavdog Then is serves the same purpose as my namesake mentor. 

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@dingo @RTGolden1 THAT responsibility is totally the job of the White House which runs all border  security, protections, crossing booths and inspectors, and for arresting illegals and dealing with them. 


It's not up to Republicans to come up with a plan, although they've made numerous attempts to contact the President, meet with him, and present legislative support for the border issues as much as possible.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@leftocenter These are DEPENDENT teenagers kid we will have to support for years.  Over 80% of them are between 14 and 18, and many of them are MS-13 gang members or drug mules. 


Thank you Mr. President for your best efforts to destroy America and her exceptionalism.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@ScottsMerkin @RTGolden1 As we said, over and over, the first and best solution to the problem is to seal the borders, put up a fence, put Mexico on notice to stop illegal immigration from their side, and tell ANY immigrants who come here they must get in place at the end of the line, and wait their turn. 


We must also pass a law that says illegals are not eligible for welfare of any kind.  They MUST comport to our immigration laws that require having a job or relatives in the country who will support them. (And, those relatives may NOT be on welfare.)


It's good that African Americans are FINALLY realizing that these illegals compete with them for jobs, for welfare, for classroom space, and for charity medical care.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@bvckvs

Actually, the republican first demand is border security.

Republicans also know that a democrat admin will lie about enforcement measures.

Simply put, democrats want as many Latinos as possible to flood the border.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@dingo  But anytime Obama wishes to act, your Republicans call him a Dictator, a Nazi, a King, and a lawbreaker, and call for his impeachment on the grounds that he has skirted Congress.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheRuddSki  The poll was released by The Partnership for a New American Economy, the Business Roundtable and the National Association of Manufacturers, hardly groups that are for giving away free condos.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas @dingo @RTGolden1 The Republicans controlled the Executive branch for 8 years as well.  They didn't do anything to firm up border control during their tenure, in fact they laid the ground work and set the precedent for what you are now castigating Obama for.

I'm not one for laying blame, doing so rarely leads to a solution, which is what we need.  But if you're going to lay blame, make sure you get it right.

And the fuck it isn't the Republicans' responsibility.  If they want to be voted in, they better have a fucking plan.

leftocenter
leftocenter

@noblefurrtexas

No doubt many are young men, teenagers hardened by the influences of gangs and violence.  But, no, they aren't MS-13 or drug mules... MS-13 has better ways of getting gang members, guns, and drugs into the US that doesn't land them in detainment facilities. 

Any many are younger kids fleeing from the influences of gangs and violence. 

There are no easy answers.  Your "...efforts to destroy America..." comment is meaningless hyperbole.  Wow...ONE MAN...make that ONE BLACK MAN...is trying to destroy America!  Be afraid! 

Or be rational -- your choice.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki "Actually, the republican first demand is border security."


I demand to win the Lottery.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@mavdog "Clinton is ranging from +6 to +14 against the Republican field."


Imagine what a "real democrat" could do.



RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@mavdog @ScottsMerkin @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Odd data sets in all the polls shown on the link.  There's only one democrat choice, and they pit her against the field of possible republicans.  Diluting the republican results while distilling the democrat ones?

Personally, I don't care how they reach the results, I wouldn't vote for a republican or democrat, unless even the communists pulled out of politics.  The choice of data sets does, however, give one reason to wonder.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz huh?  So no rebuttal? Guess I hit the nail on the head, or put the cat in the oven, or caught the fish, hook line and sinker

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Congress was perfectly willing to work with Obama to change the law to expedite deportation.

Obama backed away after negative reaction from pro-amnesty groups.

Educate yourself.

dingo
dingo

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

What part of 'That law already provides the administration with....' can you not wrap your addled mind around?


The law is already giving Obummer the ability to act so he would not be 'skirting congress'.


bippyizod
bippyizod

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Myrna, I am so inspired by your Avatar that I thought I should bring mine out. 


Of course, at the moment my dream ticket is Clinton/Warren but I am fine if she decides on a dude.  It is going to be awesome to see that glass ceiling explode and sprinkle down on the Republican's small Big tent. 

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

All the entities you cite are pro-amnesty.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@leftocenter Remember, these kids didn't flee anything. They were sent here, and most likely delivered by paid coyotes.  They are not refugees; they are most young illegal aliens here for a variety of reasons - mostly sucking up American welfare. 

I would submit, in absolute seriousness, that if Obama is not trying to damage or destroy Obama, then he is the luckiest radical on the planet or the most inept  head-of-state in modern history, eclipsing even Jimmy Carter and Neville Chamberlain. 

Remember, this is someone who was raised a Communist by his grandparents and their friends.  He used and sold drugs in school. He has doubled down on our debt in the trillions of dollars, and gas failed to deliver on most of his promises. 

He was a Saul Alinsky radical community organizer, and has filled the White House and government agencies with other radicals. 

He has so damaged America that it will take decades to recover - if ever we can.    It has to be intentional, because if it's not, then he is what Hillary Clinton said about him -- an empty suit that makes good speeches, but has no other talents.



TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

Exactly.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@RTGolden1

I'd say this: if Hillary decides to run for President, there really isn't anyone who would likely be capable of denying her the Dem nomination.

I don't see how the fact they only query about Clinton v X would "dilute" any results on her opponent.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheRuddSki "Congress was perfectly willing to work with Obama."


You're even more stupid than I've given you credit for.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheRuddSki Yes.  Corporate America does support amnesty... and you don't.  So what?


Oh, more from the poll:


Two-thirds of voters and 54 percent of Republicans support legal status for undocumented immigrants. Republicans would rather vote for a presidential candidate in 2016 that is from a party that supports reform (71%) than one from a party that opposes it (15%).

leftocenter
leftocenter

Wow.  Do you really exist or is this crafty trolling?

It sounds like the plight of the angry middle aged white man.  So angry and miserable that conspiracies are everywhere.

Enjoy 8 years of Hillary next.  Try not to have your head explode. 

The best thing I can say is I'm sorry you feel that way because all that hate only hurts you in the long run.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@mavdog @RTGolden1 Because when the time comes to pull the lever, and it isn't a hypothetical survey, Republicans are generally going to vote for republicans, not for Hillary.

In essence, the surveys are asking people to identify how they rank the republican candidates against each other.

And I hope you're wrong about Hillary being a shoe-in for the Dem nomination.  I have to believe the Dems have somebody, even the dead possum, who is a better choice than her.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz I don't want to grow up, I'm a Toys'R'Us kid, There's a million toys at Toys'R'Us that I can play with.



TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

From the White House:

It’s the priority of this administration, and if you listen to the public comments of Democrats and Republicans, it sounds like it’s a bipartisan priority.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/us/immigrant-surge-rooted-in-law-to-curb-child-trafficking.html?_r=0

Apparently, it's democrats who are not eager to tamper with the existing laws, and the president, who never lets laws stand in his way, has no real reason to deport future democrats. He just has to make sure that he can blame republicans, that's his crisis.

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz That is not accurate.  The polls had to be just as skewed as the respondents.


Most Republicans, and several independents, and a growing number of Democrats know that illegal immigration is a disaster for America, and the financial costs would bankrupt us. 


I think most are for LEGAL immigration, and waiting in line to get here.  


Yes; we are a nation of immigrants.  But, virtually all of those who came here were screened for diseases, checked for criminal records, assured of getting immunizations BEFORE stepping onto our soil, and were productive, AND DID NOT ARRIVE TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT OR OTHER TAXPAYERS.  They made their own way. 


And, THAT is the essential difference.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Corporate America sees sales, profit, cheap labor. Any economic downsides will be subsidized by the taxpayer, and the lower-to-middle class.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

Privatize the profit and socialize the costs.

Business as usual in corporate America.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Myrna taps out.

It's ok, hon, you stand with the whopping 31 percent who approve of Obama's management of this 'situation"

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@TheCredibleHulk

Business as usual in corporatist America.

Fixed that for ya.

.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

Why do you hate America?

Speed bumps, junk mail, carpenter ants, don't get me started.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki ... long commutes through heavy traffic to get to your monthly Klavern meetings?



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