Where Migrant Kids Will Likely Live in Dallas

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Emily Mathis
Lamar Education Center, one of three sites unexpected to house migrant kids.
With Central American kids streaming across Texas' border and nothing but partisan posturing on the horizon, Dallas County, under the leadership of County Judge Clay Jenkins and in partnership with the feds, is preparing to shelter thousands of unaccompanied minors from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, starting as soon as this summer.

The three proposed shelters to house unaccompanied Central American children are a vacant Parkland Hospital warehouse in the Medical District, Lamar Alternative Education Center in Grand Prairie, and Hulcy Middle School in Oak Cliff. Unfair Park traveled to each location to see for ourselves the future home of some 2,000 migrant kids.

Parkland Warehouse
The warehouse is surrounded entirely by a large barbed wire fence. Its doors are rusted over, and an odd train track surrounds part of the building before disappearing into the grass on the other side of the fence. It's splattered periodically with graffitti, and its doors are chained shut. The concrete exterior lot is filled with broken glass, rocks, and tufts of weeds.

Hardly a welcoming sight for six-year-olds being transported across the state. But maybe that's the point? The shelter itself won't be temporary, but the kids' individual stays will likely not last longer than about 35 days, according to experts.

Lamar Alternative Education Center
As we wrote earlier this week, Lamar Alternative Education Center used to be Lamar Elementary. It's part of the Grand Prairie Independent School District, and it officially closed its doors at the end of the 2013 school year because of low attendance. Now the school sits empty, save for some toppled chairs and busted school supplies, in a working-class neighborhood.

Ramzi Farah lives across the street. He is most concerned about his property value. He said the school grounds are often used by neighborhood families for community events and pick-up baseball and basketball games.

"It's a good cause, but when you put it in a neighborhood we have the right to know way beforehand," Farah told us. When Lamar Elementary was first converted to Lamar Alternative Education Center, the property value of neighborhood homes dropped, he said. "My property is going to dramatically drop value again. I mean do you want to live next to a facility that could have fences and cameras? It's going to look like living next to a prison. That's what people are mostly concerned about."

Grand Prairie ISD officials have said Lamar is not yet ready for occupants. But most neighborhood residents don't seem to have a problem with the proposed shelter, as long as lingering logistical questions are addressed.

Hulcy Middle School
Hulcy Middle School sits next to a large high school football stadium, and the groundskeeper told Unfair Park that Hulcy, since its closing in 2012, is used now for district training purposes. Which is maybe why its the nicest of the three sites, and why it was crawling with DISD cops on Tuesday.

Unlike Lamar, with its broken blinds and mildewed flooring, Hulcy is a well-maintained building. The front entryway still proudly displays the accomplishments of its long-gone students. The manicured hallways present a tidy array of educational posters, and the floors are gleaming. Someone has been tending to the school -- still sopping janitorial carts are quietly tucked in corners throughout the building.

But Hulcy Middle School is the only building that has seen any protestation -- for, strangely enough, its shoddy facilities. Eric Williams, a local independent candidate for Congress, organized a protest on Saturday against Hulcy being used. He says that the school isn't a good place to house the kids, because of an alleged risk of mold, asbestos, and lead. Judge Jenkins has announced that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services will inspect Hulcy before it opens as a shelter.

Laquasha Mac, a resident of the Oak Cliff area, told NBC 5 at the protest that she doesn't want these kids in her neighborhood because of the risk. "I honestly do believe that we should find other options, better options," she says. "Like Highland Park is a great area."


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Felony illegal immigrants.  Try crossing the border in to Mexico illegally.  Or any other country.

Threeboys
Threeboys

"Where Migrant Kids Will Likely Live in Dallas"


Everywhere.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

Thread hijacked, no intelligent life here.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

David Root, thank you for an amusing and exhilarating discussion, a relief from the mucky, depressing litany of cynicism and dreck from the usual suspects.  Myrna will now go for a lovely stroll in this unusually pleasant July weather, and then enjoy a light lunch.  Ta. 

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
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Between 2001 and 2009 OOPS was Governor, Bush was President, and 11.1 million undocumented immigrants lived in the US, 8.3 million were working.  OOPS and the Bush did nothing about it because their business cronies would profit heavily from cheap labor.  Now, OOPS is running around the border with a gun next to the Border Guards for photo ops claiming he's protecting the border and Obama is doing nothing.  OOPS OPS.  Flop.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

Let's not forget that in addition to the toddlers, the gov't expects approximately one-quarter million non-toddlers as well.

By the end of President Nitwit's term, it'll only cost about $.20/acre to mow American lawns. Progress!

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@DavidRoot

I would expect your "Top Commenter" status should be sealed by tomorrow.

You can expect your paper hat and name tag to arrive next week.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@RTGolden1 I knew when I clicked the story at 9 am when it was already past 100 comments that I wasnt going to mine anything good out of the comments

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

11.1 million undocumented immigrants lived in the US, 8.3 million were working.

How exactly are the undocumented documented?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheRuddSki President Nitwit's term ended when President Obama was inaugurated, and at that point in time President Nitwit had already allowed 11.1 million undocumented immigrants to pass into the United States.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@TheRuddSki Expects 250,000 minors to illegally cross the border? Is that what you mean? Or you mean Dallas will place that many youth in our facilities here?

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@TheRuddSki That's a good question! I wonder how they do their estimations. Maybe by the number of people reported to ICE?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@DavidRoot  It's always verifiable, but constant negative harangue about Myrna on the part of Ruddski is like the old Republican trick.  Repeat it often enough and people will believe it.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @TheRuddSki There have been more deportations under Obama than any other President... of course that's not directly caused by Obama. Nor is about 90% of things some people accuse him of. I don't really care honestly, I just like to know what can be done.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin

It's been proved that paper hats are just as effective as tinfoil hats.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@DavidRoot  Ruddski's modus operandi.  Take a fact given by a commenter, insult the source, equivocate, then deflect.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

I'll give you a hint about your six-year-old cite: guesstimate

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

I'm giving Myrna information that Myrna should have known prior to engaging in a debate, and that's constant negative harassment

Guilty as hell, free as a bird.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheRuddSki These are among the key findings of a new analysis by the Pew Hispanic Center, a project of the Pew Research Center, which builds on previous work estimating the size and growth of the U.S. unauthorized immigrant population. A 2008 report by the Center estimated that 11.9 million unauthorized immigrants lived in the United States; it concluded that the undocumented immigrant population grew rapidly from 1990 to 2006 but has since stabilized.1 In this new analysis, the Center estimates that the rapid growth of unauthorized immigrant workers also has halted; it finds that there were 8.3 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. labor force in March 2008.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@holmantx @DavidRoot @TheRuddSki Agreed, we're stuck with the problem... or do you mean deporting everyone enmasse?

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @DavidRoot how can you document the undocumented, and then still call them undocumented.  now Im tongue twisted.  I get it, they werent documented as in accounted for, but now they ae accounted for but undocumented in the sense they dont have papers.  Do you have papers for your cats.  Are they documented

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Review the thread, and have a chuckle.

I did.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

we should all switch to third-person.

works for the President - always the last to know.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

A study from six years ago?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DavidRoot

You're the only one with any actual information, RuddSki

You're a marked man now, amigo.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot @TheRuddSki which excludes you . . .

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

If you deport the Mexicans, who will water and mow the lawns in America?

Mexican-Americans for the most part.

dingo
dingo

@DonkeyHotay @holmantx @DavidRoot @TheRuddSki 

'who will water and mow the lawns in America?'

The trillion dollar indebted college students would do it once the prices inevitably rose to their eventual equilibrium in the event of such a scenario.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot @holmantx @TheRuddSki

Only if you leave the water running

that would be a start. since it's crisis time

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@RTGolden

The science is not settled, but we're up to our asses in goat bones here, so the debate is over

I won.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DavidRoot

UP gets its share of new commenters, it's just usually the same people.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@holmantx I'm not vain, holmantx. I know I'm not an expert in this topic... I'm not so sure there are many experts commenting here

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki


HipTip: ALL Mexicans are Americans.


The United States of Mexico is, and always has been, located in North America.


hth.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@dingo @DonkeyHotay @holmantx @DavidRoot @TheRuddSki


And if those wages rise in your mythical free market fantasy, won't the invisible hand(job) once again lure even more impoverished foreigners to those now higher wages?


Be specific, and show your work.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DavidRoot

The most common problem caused when laws are enforced (a day without black-market labor, so to speak), is that wages for legal labor goes up.

I suppose this is but one reason that none of the legal immigrants I've known, Latino or otherwise, are in support of amnesty or black market labor.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@holmantx That's what they're in the process of doing right now, right? Determining if kids can safely be returned home, sending those who can back, taking care of the rest?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@DavidRoot  In Myrna's case, it's referring to my fictional name for myself.  At CNN, it was Mrs. Katz.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

A for instance, Myrna was unaware that housing illegal immigrants is a federal matter, she blamed Perry for the poor facilities. I corrected her with the actual information. Myrna thought SS and Medicare were welfare programs, I corrected her with actual information

Need more examples?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

HipTip: ALL Mexicans are Americans.

IOW, you concede to my point.

As to yours, I've seen it countless times, and it have a simple answer - travel to anywhere in Mexico, South or Central America, and ask everyone you meet if they're American.

dingo
dingo

@DonkeyHotay @holmantx @DavidRoot @TheRuddSki 

'Be specific, show your work.'

The scenario you presented in theory would not theoretically allow for your second, inconsistent theoretical.


Say, do you know where I could score some acid?

I don't do psychedelics, but I was just curious where one finds that sort of contraband and you seem like a likely expert in the field.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@TheRuddSki "The most common problem caused when laws are enforced (a day without black-market labor, so to speak), is that wages for legal labor goes up."


Which means you poor white folk barely scraping by on Social inSecurity and Disability payments will have to PAY MORE for nearly ALL of your basic necessities.


Are you the same Teatarded Repuglykkkans who get all apoplectic anytime someone proposes Raising the Minimum Slave Wage in the U$A ?


holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot @holmantx

Maybe Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador should file a grievance with the United Nations over the treatment of their citizens?

Or sue us in our courts?

The could get the ACLU involved.

Certainly would be cheaper than taking care of their citizens themselves, and would thwart the reason why they were sent in the first place, according Homeland SEcurity (host countries rely heavily on U.S. remittances).

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@TheCredibleHulk

That's a little too casual. Try this:

Oh thank you Dear and Benevolent Leader for Whom the Sun Rises, we are eternally grateful for your wisdoms, knowledge, your lack of Negro dialect, the crease of your pants, the cut of your jib, and your magnificent putting

Show a little respect, or you'll get audited.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheRuddSki You're a treasure trove of false information about Myrna, just like you are about OOPS's eight years of governorship underneath fellow Texan Bush and their lack of action regarding undocumented immigration.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@dingo ... it was YOUR mythical theory that supposed wages would rise enough to incited the College Graduates to perform the onerous manual labor once performed by the deported Mexicans.


Back to you, skippy.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@holmantx @DavidRoot I must have a different perspective than you, holmantx. Or I'm making the wrong assumptions about what you're saying. I think strong borders are a good idea. We have a border process for a reason, not least of all to avoid a potential pandemic.I also think supporting legitimate asylees is a good thing.

There really and truly are people in the world trying to escape violence. It's inhuman to send people back without giving them a fair chance though. Our judges need to be fair. If there's evidence that they aren't (which The Observer tells me there is), then it ought to be fixed. 

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

So far, citations from the New York Times and The New Republic, none from Brietbart.

Care to try again?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

I have made no comment on Bush's record on illegal immigration other than to say it was poor, and his pro-amnesty position cost him a lot in the polls.

Care to try again?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DavidRoot

Correct. When it's in the Feds best interests, they'll allow states to co-operate.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot @holmantx I agree.  That's why there are over 30,000 Eritreans and Ethiopian refugees in North Texas alone (according to their chamber of commerce president).

See, they came through the front door, not over the fence.

To assert we do not have a MASSIVE asylum refugee program is, well, sad.

Homework assignment!

What is the no. 2 contributor to Mexico's GDP behind Pemex (gov't oil)?

remittances from workers illegally in the U.S. back to their families.

HS says that is one of the biggest motivations for central American countries to allow migration to the Texas border.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@dingo ... so you admit that the INCREASED WAGES will impart an EVEN GREATER draw for those impoverished foreigners, eh numbnuts?



DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@holmantx @DavidRoot Oh, I do want to make one point. The are many cases of aslyees arriving in America, crossing borders illegally or coming here on tourist visas and later requesting asylum. And successfully getting it!

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@holmantx @DavidRoot So, I wrote responses to all of your points. But then I realized I can't figure out exactly what we disagree on... 

So, I'll put words in your mouth: I'm against rounding up everyone who might be an illegal alien and putting them into facilities for automatic deportation. But I am pro strong borders and strong justice. 

As long as it's fair justice, which it isn't always. The other points you made (reminttances, etc) don't seem to be entirely relevant to the article or the comment.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

Didn't work, contention unsupported, try again.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot @holmantx

Advancing the atypical example to support a system that cannot reverse a condition caused by lack of enforcement, is a non-starter.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot @holmantx

automatic deportation does not equal turnbacks at the border, no matter if the President changes the definition in order to score higher than Bush.

Regarding remittances, that speaks to motivation and reasons why we have a humanitarian crisis in the first place.

If you do not comprehend the reason why we are being overwhelmed then it follows you cannot understand the process required to arrest the onslaught.  

If you buy into the premise to provide a NEW process you invite failure to solve the crisis.  In fact, you have enabled its victory.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@DavidRoot  Surely you've figured out that Holman is a bitter, foaming-at-the-mouth troll who hates the world.

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@holmantx @DavidRoot We can improve our processes, improve fairness, and be humane at the same time. I don't think every person should be allowed to cross the border without going through the proper checks. Nor would I want to see the madness of building a wall that doesn't work or trying to round up a million people in a single go.

Remittances show that workers (illegal or not) are creating value and being paid for it. It's not the catastrophe I've heard some people make it out to be.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot @holmantx

"The are many cases of asylees arriving in America"

define many in relation to the total number granted asylum.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot @holmantx

Divert all lotteries to "illegal alien status only" winners for the next five years.  If illegals have come for economic reasons, they will leave for economic reasons..  

Hola Amigos! In these lotteries no one loses.

Winners pick up your winnings back in your home country.

(legal disclaimer - must show proof of illegal status in U.S. prior to winning (just show up and we'll provide the photo ID).  Payouts are monthly only.  No cash awards.  Proof of location required each month.  Family members serve as multipliers)

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@holmantx @DavidRoot You want me to look up the statistic of people applying for asylum versus those accepted? This is good solid research I can do...give me a few minutes...

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot @holmantx

Already stipulated to; you didn't answer the question.  You said "many" in order to bolster your assertion in relation to all who are granted asylum.  Define "many" or is is some, or just a few?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@DavidRoot

no, those granted asylum who have entered or overstayed illegally vs all who have been granted asylum

DavidRoot
DavidRoot

@holmantx @DavidRoot

During FY 2012 there were 21,512 asylum cases decided. 11,939 individuals won their asylum cases. 

The odds of an asylum claim being denied in Immigration Court reached an historic low in FY 2012, with only 44.5 percent being turned down.The overall volume of new asylum applications also increased.


Can I Still Apply for Asylum Even if I Am in the United States Illegally?


"You may apply for asylum regardless of your immigration status and within one year of your arrival to the United States."


A.  Yes. You may apply for asylum with USCIS regardless of your immigration status if:

  • You are not currently in removal proceedings
  • You file an asylum application within one year of arriving to the United States or demonstrate that you are within an exception to that rule.

How Long Does the Asylum Process Take?


A. within 180 days

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