Teens Keep Vandalizing a University Park Sex Offender's House, and He's Getting Sick of It

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Robert Coleman's photograph posted on the DPS sex offender registry.
When Robert Coleman's house got egged, he called the University Park police. It was a Saturday night in September 2012. Officers came to the crime scene but found no leads, other than the splattered egg yolk. Coleman realized that his patio umbrella was also missing, according to the police report.

The following Saturday night, the eggs hit again. A neighbor told the cops that he saw two teenagers walking nearby around the same time.

Coleman installed a video camera security system, hoping to catch the egg-throwers. But when his house got hit again, the vandal spotted the camera and slapped it down.

Soon the vandals moved onto tougher objects. Coleman was sitting in his home one night when he heard the sound of glass breaking. His window had been hit with "an unknown object," according to a University Park Police Department report.

Another night, Coleman told police, he saw a car drive over his yard. The vehicle fled when he stepped outside.

The next year, Coleman was awakened by the sound of a bang. Cops, in Coleman's house yet again, found his front window was shattered and the kitchen had a strange smell. A smoke grenade rested on the ground.

Coleman counts at least 12 vandalism attacks on his home in the past three years. He says he's likely being targeted because he's a registered child sex offender. Now, Coleman has hope that some of the attackers will face harsh consequences.

University Park police have recently identified seven teenagers who egged Coleman's house this past April. "Threw a couple eggs at the side of his house then drove away. It was a stupid mistake that I regret doing," says a statement written by Austin Roberts, a 17-year-old Highland Park High School student. Police say he drove one of the getaway cars that night, a Porsche. "I am truly sorry for any damage, glad to help," he wrote.

Coleman, pushing for prison time, has told police that if the perpetrators aren't charged with a felony, he "will be put in the crosshairs of an escalated attack and will not feel safe at home, and it will signal open season to other non-heterosexuals, RSO's, and the elderly."

Coleman is classified by the state as a low-risk sex offender. He was convicted of sexual assault of a child in 1980 and 1983. He was charged for the offense again in 2006 in Dallas County after an alleged victim went to police, reporting a relationship he had with Coleman dating back ten years earlier, when the victim would have been 15. The case resulted in a hung jury, as the News reported in 2010. "There's nothing say. It's a matter of public record," he tells Unfair Park, declining to speak further about any of the cases.

He's lived in University Park for over 30 years, and he said his neighbors never gave him trouble for his criminal history, perhaps because they didn't know. That all changed in 2010, after Coleman encountered teenage boy playing saxophone in the street. He filmed the boy performing. "I said, 'You mind if I film a video of you playing a song?' And he said, 'No problem,' and that's what that was all about," Coleman says, describing the encounter as totally innocent.

But the footage disturbed a mother, who then notified the police, according to a local news report at the time.

Though Coleman wasn't charged in connection with that incident, it alerted the University Park PD to the fact that he was required to register as a sex offender under a law that had recently gone into effect in Texas. The news, obviously, didn't go over well. ("Bryn Mawr Resident Registers as Sex Offender with University Park Police Department," was the headline on Park Cities People in 2010, and the case also got write-ups in the News).

And now his house is a popular target for eggs and other stuff.

University Park police say that they have no evidence the attacks were coming from the same group of people. Though they never caught the people behind the previous attacks, UPPD Lieutenant John Ball says he's proud that detectives were finally able to identify suspects in this case.

"I'm very pleased that we spent many hours looking for these offenders, and making sure that they're brought to the courts for prosecution," Ball tells Unfair Park.

The police originally tried to turn the case over to the Dallas County district attorney, after Coleman provided a bill showing that it cost him more than $1,500 to remove the egg stains and repaint his house. But prosecutors declined to prosecute. The teenagers are instead being charged with Class C misdemeanors in municipal court. The trial isn't scheduled yet.

With their addresses posted online, registered sex offenders can make easy targets of crime. Last year, a man in South Carolina went on a killing spree, selecting child abusers his victims. Coleman argues that charging the teens with a felony will send a message to the others tempted to have some fun at his expense that they're not above the law.

The attacks have stopped recently. Word got around, Coleman says, that people are getting caught. But it will only stop for good if those caught are punished. Otherwise, he wrote, "HPHS students with easy access to cash from their rich parents in Park Cities may feel entitled to break the law with impunity."


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whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

Only if people wouldn't rape and molest.  This wouldn't be a debate if people simply didn't rape and molest. 

I've been told by this oncefallen character that this point of view is "simple minded," "asinine," and "straight out of the feminist playbook."

I was also told by oncefallen that he "...never would have guessed you were male the way you whine"  Nice to see his view of women seems to be same as when he was 24.... 

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

Only if people wouldn't rape and molest.  This wouldn't be a debate if people simply didn't rape and molest.


oncefallendotcom
oncefallendotcom

Whoever encourages this is a criminal, plain and simple. This is a HATE crime. But keep cheering and providing me with evidence for the push to abolish the registry. 

Law_Check
Law_Check

@whateveryousay@DonkeyHotay

Well, the registries could go the way of the California penal system, but more fundamentally you're spreading false legal information. Many crimes that are punishable by registration and life in the tent are STRICT LIABILITY. 


That means that a person doesn't know whether he/she is committing them or not, i.e., he/she can never be certain that a person is capable of consent, either regarding intoxication or age. With plastic surgery, ubiquitous masks, fake ID's, forged government papers, etc, a person can never be certain that he is not committing a crime punishable by life imprisonment via registration. The person you believe to be your wife could really be a 13 year old with surgical attachments designed to look 50 just to entrap you. 


Technically, the COMEDY film Fast Times at Ridgemont High depicts child-rape and should therefore be outlawed as pornography involving a child. Similar things apply for much of South Park.  


I don't recommend abolishing the sex-offender registry. I just recommend dramatically reforming it to base it around more sensible and scientific principles that deal with the offender's state of mind.

RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay oncefallen is right. Your "This wouldn't be a debate" statement is idiotic.


The fact is, in reality, people are going to do things that are wrong. It is up to a moral, fair, intelligent society to decide what to do about it. The Sex Offender Registries (SORs) are simply an idiotic answer. And that is why there are no experts who support them.


Besides, if you were so interested in stopping raping and molesting, you would be working hard to eliminate the SORs. But you aren't. You have your head in the sand and you are simply ignoring facts and reality. That is what SOR Supporters/Terrorists/Harassers do.

oncefallendotcom
oncefallendotcom

@whateveryousay Or urinate in public.And stop teens from having relations with each other or sexting each other. Here's a whole list of things not to do, for that matter:

http://www.oncefallen.com/youmightbersoif.html

I am really annoyed at your simpleton way of thinking. When a person serves that and is free, that should be the end of it. You remind me of this politician who often made the same idiotic simpleminded statements and worked to pass "tough" legislation against s*x offenders. He was even a buddy of John Walsh. 


His name? MARK FOLEY. 

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@oncefallendotcom How about we push for people to no longer rape and molest?  

I'll meet you halfway.  If people don't rape and molest we can get rid of the registry.


whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@Law_Check @whateveryousay @DonkeyHotay Law_Check. I agree that sexual offender registries need some level of reform.  I agree with sensible residency restrictions as well.  

I support long prison sentences as an effective deterrent.  


RodTemple
RodTemple

@Law_Check @whateveryousay @DonkeyHotay The SORs should be eliminated. They do not protect anyone (at best, they might relocate a crime). And on the flip side, they cause society HUGE problems, not the least of which being that they increase sex and other crimes. They have been and are a colossal failure. But I don't think the U.S. as a whole is smart enough to get rid of them.

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@RodTemple @whateveryousay People choose to do bad things. They aren't forced to rape and molest.  If somebody steals a loaf of bread because they are starving there is a basic need they are trying to fulfill.  People choosing to rape and molest are not satisfying a need for survival. They are choosing to gratify themselves with another's body.  

People ruin people dude.  Sexual Offender Registries are a good thing.  They may not be perfect and need a little adjusting, but the bones are good, are liked and when used correctly are effective. 

Working towards minimum sentencing of 10 years for a first offense of rape or child molesting and 25 to life for a second offense would be a good start.  

A moral, fair and intelligent society would not have members that rape and molest.

The root reason Sexual Offender Registries are in place is not because we lack a moral, fair and intelligent society.  Sexual Offender Registries are in place because evil people chose to do evil things when they rape and molest other people and children for their own sexual gratification.

No matter how much the victim begs, cries and pleads the end result is the same - raping and molesting.  The perpetrators showed no mercy or humanity toward the victims.  


whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@oncefallendotcom @whateveryousay Part of the sentence that the sex offender must serve is being on the registry.  When it is passed down in sentencing it is part of the punishment.  

Are you against probation?

I'm for tough sentencing of rapists and pedophiles.  In most cases I'm for 10 year minimum and 25 to life for any involving a child or violence.  The registry is just another tool to track and punish sex offenders.  

Criminal records are already public information, unless sealed by the court, and available.  In 2013 there were just under 750,000 registered sex offenders in the US. 

As far as sex offenders being the only ones who have to register, that isn't true  

Illinois requires first-degree murderers to register.  In Rhode Island there is a bill to create a murderers registry as well.  

oncefallendotcom
oncefallendotcom

@whateveryousay @oncefallendotcom The more stories like this that come out the more likely Registered Citizens (not just "rapists" and "pedophiles" as you keep saying) will become a protected class.

And while SCOTUS may have ruled the registry is constitutional, they also said they same about slavery and Eugenics, and eventually both decisions were later overturned. Guess you must've forgotten that little fact? That traitor John Roberts isn't going to be chief injustice forever, you know. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@whateveryousay "I support long prison sentences as an effective deterrent. "


So you support long prison sentences for ALL crimes ... "as an effective deterrent", eh?

RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay @RodTemple Sorry, you are wrong and likely not very interested in reality. The SORs are not only ineffective regardless of how they are used, they are extremely counterproductive. And that is why no experts support them.


I would encourage you to educate yourself by listening to experts instead politicians and law enforcement. I would also encourage you to pay a lot more taxes to support your nanny big governments. Get the rest of your Registries created. But also stop harassing people just for fun. Those last two goals seem to be at odds with each other so I don't know how you are going to accomplish both. But I'll be praying that you un-Americans who love as much government as possible keep dying off. We don't need more government in the U.S.

oncefallendotcom
oncefallendotcom

@whateveryousay @oncefallendotcom "What's so simpleton about asking people not to rape and molest?"

You're so fixated on this asinine statement straight out of the feminist playbook, you can't see the forest for the trees. 

You are already starting off with the assumption everyone on the registry raped or molested someone. I have already provided examples why that line of thought is fallacious. The fact you have not responded to those cases I mentioned (10 year olds on the registry, non-s*x crimes on the list, teens having consensual relations or sexting each other, and so forth) tells me you are cherry-picking what you choose to address. 

Another error you make is that simpletons gladly admit that the registry is part of the "punishment" process. That helps us because SCOTUS claimed the registry is "regulatory" rather than punitive, and every time idiots like you say otherwise, you are helping us prove SCOTUS wrong.

I can safely assume whateveryousay is not only a woman, but an extreme feminist at that. They have been using that same statement for a while, always applied to men, of course. 

At any rate, even the very terms "rape" and "molest" are broad terms that are getting broader thanks in large part to feminist influences. There are some in the feminist community who believe that if a man lies to a woman about loving her to get in her pants, that constitutes rape. If a woman has s*x with a guy and she regrets it because she was a bit tipsy and the guy looked like George Clooney last night but now looks more like George Costanza, some believe that should be rape. 

Same thing with the term "molest." When victim industry advocate Mark Lunsford's 18 year old son Joshua was arrested for having relations with a 14 year old, his official charge was "molestation of a child." Joshua only avoided the registry because of his famous daddy. Others wren't so lucky.

I could go on and on, but this should be more than sufficient to dispel your "don't rape and molest derp-a-derp" statement. Get educated. 

RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay @oncefallendotcom You said, "Part of the sentence that the sex offender must serve is being on the registry.  When it is passed down in sentencing it is part of the punishment."  That is false.


You need to pay more attention to the lies of the immoral side in the War Against Registry Terrorists/Harassers. One of their main lies is that the Registries are not punishment. And that is certainly how they have been disingenuously treated by the courts.


The Registries did not exist when a large number of people were sentenced and yet they are forced to Register. Further, the criminal regimes change the length of time (i.e. increase it) that a person is required to Register at any time they get a whim. I personally know people who accepted plea bargains in a state when the MAXIMUM time that any person had to Register was 10 years and that was later simply changed to require lifetime Registration. Registration is not really part of a sentence, even when the criminal regime says it is. It is not because it is completely changeable.


If the Sex Offender Registries actually "worked" and were actually for "public safety" as the immoral side lies, there would have been federal laws passed 20 years ago that required all 50 U.S. states to create Registries of all people who have committed crimes. That didn't happen and there are no excuses that these Registries do not exist nationwide today. But it's a good thing that they do not exist because they are counterproductive to preventing crime and they are idiotic social policy that cause huge problems.

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@RodTemple @whateveryousay I have educated.  You may disagree with me and you are free to do so.

I wish that these pedophile and rapist apologists would express recognition of the horrible crimes these people have committed.  

Every society needs law enforcement.  We as a society have deemed this necessary and the courts have deemed it constitutional.  Good luck getting enough people to vote to allow child rapists, pedophiles and rapists to roam free.  

Good luck getting enough legislators to go along with you to let child rapists, pedophiles and rapists to roam free.

Don't rape and don't molest.  If people stopped raping and molesting the sex offender registries would naturally go away. 


whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@oncefallendotcom @whateveryousay Your assumption that I'm a woman is wrong.  I'm a dude.  An all American, truck driving, deer hunting, Republican voting, Constitution loving, al-Qaeda hating, beer drinking, vintage car restoring, mountain hiking, fish catching, woman loving dude.

I am not some overly religious, feminism spouting crackpot. 


Would you support a registry with only convicted rapists and molesters?


Hypothetically, what should be a just sentence for a 24 year old man who commits a 1st degree sexual assault on an 11-year-old child? 

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@RodTemple @whateveryousay @oncefallendotcom First, 18 years ago is when all states were required.  You suggested if they worked it would have been done 20 years ago.  Close enough.

In The 1994 Jacob Wetterling Crimes Against Children and Sexually Violent Offender Act, required states to implement a sex-offender registration program.  AND THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO!

Second.  Don't rape and don't molest and you won't end up on the registry. It really is that simple. 

RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay This is not a disagreement between you and I. This is your lack of knowledge of reality and facts.


Every time a person talks about how worse-than-worthless the Sex Offender Registries (SORs) are, the person does not have to address how horrible sex crimes are. That does not make the person any less horrified by sex crimes than you are. The fact of the matter is it is you uninformed people who support the SORs who are not serious about preventing sex crimes. Experts do not support the SORs. Uninformed people do.


"child rapists, pedophiles, and rapists" are not restricted from "roaming free" in any way by the SORs. In fact, in reality, the SORs make it completely likely that they will have "roaming free" as a primary goal and means of retaliation for the SORs and they will do exactly that, much more often than they would if they simply lived normal lives. I know many people who do that, on purpose. They "roam free" among many, many families who have no idea that they are Registered. That is an effect of the SORs.


I don't need any luck attempting to convince anyone of anything. I fully expect that the SORs will be around for a long time, endangering society. Citizens in the U.S. are simply not smart enough to get rid of the SORs. They are also too lazy and apathetic to be educated. Look at you.


The one thing that you harassers must do though is get the rest of your Registries created. Until you do that, you will continue to have zero credibility. And also pay more taxes for your big governments. I really am tired of carrying you people.

oncefallendotcom
oncefallendotcom

@whateveryousay @oncefallendotcom I never would have guessed you were male the way you whine, but I can see how your depiction of yourself as a redneck might fit, given people who describe themselves as you described yourself screams "uneducated." You're not changing my initial assessment of you. 

I stated my position. No matter what a person's sentence is, when a person is released from a state-sanctioned sentence, be it probation, incarceration, or parole, that should be the end of sentence. No registry, no residency law, no anything. These laws have been proven ineffective at best and counterproductive at worst. NO REGISTRY PERIOD. 

We can never limit the registry to only "convicted rapists and molesters." The registry began as a police-only list of repeat offenders and those deemed extremely dangerous. Then we made it public. Now we are constantly expanding the list. The registry is a hydra. To allow even one head to exist simply allows the hydra to return. The moment some high profile, RARE tragedy occurs, we will simply strengthen the laws. This scenario has played out time and time again. That idiot Rick Perry vetoed a bill to take kids off the registry because he believes that it would allow a few serious juvenile offenders to get off the list. What is a few 10 year old children when there is a fear industry to feed?  

You can make your simplistic rants and stereotypical mantras all you want, but the fact remains that MOST people who commit crimes get out of prison someday. Thus, the question becomes what do we, as a society, do that encourages individuals who have served time to become productive members of society upon their release?

RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay @RodTemple @oncefallendotcom I think you need to reread. I said, "... there would have been federal laws passed 20 years ago that required all 50 U.S. states to create Registries of all people who have committed crimes." I did not say "sex crimes". IF the Sex Offender Registries (SORs) were actually for public safety, then any person who committed any crime would be listed on a Registry that was available to the public. See what I'm saying?


Why don't you explain to all of us why all 50 U.S. states are not required to Register people who have committed crimes with guns (for example, they shot someone)? Please explain to us why those people are not restricted from living near schools, day cares, etc. When you have finished that, please explain why all people who have committed crimes are not Registered.


Your statement of "Second.  Don't rape and don't molest and you won't end up on the registry. It really is that simple." is stupid. Is that statement supposed to somehow explain how the SORs are a good idea or do anything useful?


whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @whateveryousay I didn't say that at all. I just clarified that I support harsh penalties for rape and child molestation.

Rapists and child molesters deserve harsh prison sentences due to the harsh and horrific nature of their crimes. 


whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@RodTemple The knowledge and reality is that child rapists, rapists and pedophiles are a danger to society. 

Again, if they didn't rape and molest the sex offender registries would not exist any longer.  

How about spending the effort you are putting forth against sex offender registries to the much more worthy cause of preventing child molestation and rape?

Too much to ask?


whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@oncefallendotcom @whateveryousay I'm just an all-American guy.  Redneck?  Probably a little in there somewhere.  The good news is that I can vote and do.  

What can we do as a society to encourage individuals who have served their time to become productive members of society?  I'll tell you what I think about that and that is not much.  Society encouraged them not to commit these heinous crimes in the first place and they still chose to go rape and molest.  They already had their chance with society, they already had their encouragement and chose to ignore it.  Upon their release they need to fear the penalty of doing it again.  They need to have enough risk hanging over them to not want to do it again.  

To be part of a civilized society one must be civilized.  Raping and molesting are not acts of civilized people.


RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay @RodTemple You really don't get it, do you?


Not having the SORs will help prevent child molestation and rape. It will also certainly reduce child murder and many other serious crimes. Those crimes are occurring TODAY because the SORs exist.


The SORs are a panacea and there are no people who are serious about reducing crimes against children that support them. The people who are serious about it are not wasting their time "working" with knuckle draggers who believe in the SORs.


The criminal regimes have also proved that they cannot be trusted with "sex crime" policy. All politicians and others who have supported the SORs, and especially, especially the idiocy that they enabled and promoted (for example, "residency restrictions"), have to be neutralized and kept out of any serious work about protecting children.


The SORs are an un-American travesty that has to be eliminated before any real work can be done to protect children. But more likely we will all just keep playing panacea games.

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@oncefallendotcom "What's so simpleton about asking people not to rape and molest?"


I'll quote you: "You're so fixated on this asinine statement straight out of the feminist playbook, you can't see the forest for the trees."
Just to clarify:  Are you stating that it is asinine to ask people to not rape or molest?

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@RodTemple @whateveryousay How hard is it to not rape and molest?  I get the feeling you don't get how simple that point is.  

Criminal regimes?  By that do you mean law enforcement?

Sexual offender registries are as American as apple pie.  The Supreme Court of the good old USA has upheld them as being constitutional.  

By calling good Americans like me "knuckle draggers" you demean yourself.  One might argue that rapists and pedophiles are the "knuckle draggers" who are unenlightened and un-American.  

The residency restrictions have also been found to be accepted by the courts.  They are completely reasonable.

Tell me what the purpose of letting a pedophile live next to a kindergarden would be?


RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay @RodTemple You are the person who does not get simple. People are going to rape and molest and do other bad things. They simply are. It is up to us as an intelligent, fair, and moral society to punishment them properly. And not to punish them in a way that ENSURES that they will not be remorseful at all and that they will want to kill people. And we also need to punish them in a way that is fair. So, if we say that "child molesters" cannot live next to schools, then people who have shot children at schools cannot live by them either. And we simply cannot have a group of citizens that we call "sex offenders" or whatever other label you like and think that we can apply law after law after law to JUST them for the rest of their lives. And I don't give a damn what you say - there are no Americans who support that.


The criminal regimes are these governments that are passing illegal "laws". They have passed hundreds, if not thousands of laws, that they KNEW were illegal and yet they did it anyway. The laws were then later ruled illegal. They have also passed laws that no one in their right mind thinks fits with the ideals of America. They are criminal regimes that richly deserve all the disrespect and contempt that they get.


Sexual offender registries are as American as apple pie. Americans are an ignorant bunch these days. Do you need evidence? These are the same people that have a very long, sordid history of doing asinine, illegal things to people they hate. Remember how not so long ago all you great people were just so, so offended that a colored person might have the audacity to share a water fountain with your greatness? And that was after you kept them as slaved animals for a while. There are plenty more examples. SORs are the tools of criminal regimes.


You said, "The Supreme Court of the good old USA has upheld them as being constitutional." The Supreme Court has come nowhere close to ruling on the harassing SORs of today. They ruled on a completely different entity.


About "knuckle draggers" - it is true that a rapist has been a knuckle dragger. But the difference between that person and people who support the SORs is that the rapist has been punished and is being a good person. You people are harassing terrorists who have not yet had your punishment or redeemed yourself. The rapist's behavior is in the past. You are your behavior today.


Some "residency restrictions" have been found to be constitutional. But they are not reasonable at all. And since you are so educated, I know that you are aware that there is a pile of evidence to the moon that they are not effective at all. A pile. Experts don't support them. Uninformed people do because it makes them feel good.


There is no reason to worry about a pedophile living next to a school. The children in the school should be protected from all people and when they are, there is no reason to worry about any specific person who is never going to do anything anyway. If the pedophile living next to a school wanted to do something, I expect that he/she would go elsewhere to do it. And please don't fool yourself that they don't have access to children all over the place. That's a joke.


You said, "Why don't you tell all of us what the purpose of letting a pedophile live next to a kindergarden would be?" The answer to that is because it affects nothing. Now you answer the same question but replace "pedophile" with any person who has committed any type of serious crime in the past. Need help? How about "child shooter"? Or "5 time drunk driver"? See? We aren't REALLY doing all this for public safety. That's a lie.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@whateveryousay "How hard is it to not rape and molest? "


Ask the Vatican.


Rape and Molestation = God's will.




whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@RodTemple @whateveryousay Tell that to Adam Walsh, Jacob Wetterling, Pam Lyncher and Megan Kanka.

Failed America?  The stock market is at an all time high and my stock portfolio is at an all time high too.  My business gives me more than enough to live and and has ensured my retirement.  Home sales are up, auto sales are up, we finally have medical services available to everybody regardless of preexisting conditions and we live in the greatest country in the world.  

We good Americans, hell just good people worldwide, do not rape and molest.  Good Americans support 10 years in prison for the first sexual offense of rape or child molestation and 25 years to life for the second offense.  

Quit apologizing for rapists and pedophiles. They are lucky to be out in free society.  

They need to keep their heads down and take a big old swig of stfu.  

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @whateveryousay If you believe that it kinda sounds like you are justifying it.

I really hope you don't feel there is any justification for raping and molesting children.

Law_Check
Law_Check

@whateveryousay @RodTemple


The overwhelming majority of opponents of the current sex-offender registration, and advocates of prison reform, are not perverts or criminals of any variety.

For what it's worth, registries in most developed countries, ones with lower rates of rape, are only for the police do not involve serious residency restrictions. 



On a somewhat unrelated issue, America is currently failing. The stock market is a global market, not an American market, and reflects the Chinese economy, not the American economy. It goes up when the economy contracts. Adjusting for healthcare costs, something you establishment Republicans never do because you want to bankrupt this country with big bureaucracy, wages have steadily declined since 1998. Healthcare is roughly 30% of consumer spending, but only 7% of the Consumer Price Index, which means that the GOP and Democrat establishments are little more than associations of degenerate parasites who want big bucks from bureaucracy.


RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay @RodTemple Tell what to all those people? That an SOR never, ever, ever, ever would have helped them? That we have created an SOR-harassment environment where crimes like what happened to them are promoted and encouraged? Is that what we should tell them? That we've given up on protecting children and have instead resorted to easy, panacea "fixes"?


Yes, America is doing well financially thanks to those of us that have sense. The rest of you work for us. Just because some of us are very wealthy does not change the fact that 80+% are stupid, lazy, uninformed, and hateful. It doesn't change the fact that not so long ago at all that so many of you thought it was a great idea to keep colored people away from you. Americans have to have someone to hate. And it is even better when their nanny governments tell them who. You are "good" when it is convenient for you. But you have no problem harassing people that you have all agreed to hate.


No one is apologizing for people who commit crimes. So stop lying. Just because we don't support lifelong, useless harassment of people who committed crimes decades ago and paid for what they did, does not mean that anyone thinks it was okay. That is an old, worn-out lie. But that's what SOR supporters do.


No one is going to "stfu" or stand by and allow you harassers to steal from them and harass their families. You people who cannot mind your own business or leave other people alone are not Americans. Stop harassing people and pay more taxes.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@whateveryousay ... Obey Your God!



  If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. 

-- Deuteronomy 22:28-29

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@RodTemple You keep trying to interject race into this.  Race has nothing to do with it.  The struggles of minorities to reach equality should never be compared to the self-inflicted fate of sexual offenders.  

I don't harass or steal from anyone.  However, maybe the rapists and molesters shouldn't have "harassed" their victims in the first place.  Is that too simple?

Judging from the fervor you have to free rapists and pedophiles from sex offender registries a person might ask if you or someone in your family has to register.

I wouldn't want to assume anything like you do by implying we are racists for supporting sexual offender registries. Just sayin'.

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @whateveryousay I don't agree with that one bit.  I don't think the Bible is a factual book either. 

But hey, whatever makes you fell better.  

No worries, lucky for all of us that the registries are here to stay!

Don't rape and don't molest!

It is that simple.  It really is.  

RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay Your response proves that you do not think very well. I don't know why that is (perhaps you are not that smart or perhaps you "think" with your emotions most of the time, like you do regarding the Registries).  But anyway ...


What I said has NOTHING to do with race. I was giving an example of something that was a law that was supported by a majority of the "good" "Americans" and it turns out that it was actually illegal, heinous, immoral, un-American conduct. My point was that Americans are all too willing to hate and harass the target of the moment. And it is all the better for you un-Americans when your big governments support it and run propaganda campaigns for it.


You do harass and steal. Anyone who supports the Sex Offender Registries (SORs) does. You are not a real American either.


And no one is saying you are a racist for supporting the SORs. Good Christ! Please think. If you do, you won't support the SORs any longer.

Superman_Saves_Lois
Superman_Saves_Lois

@whateveryousay

" The struggles of minorities to reach equality should never be compared to the self-inflicted fate of sexual offenders.  "


If they don't possess mens rea, their fate isn't self inflicted.


"I don't harass or steal from anyone."

You don't know that. Theft is a STRICT LIABILITY crime. You might have once forgotten to pay for a product. Although unlikely, you might have once even attempted to open a car that looked like yours, but wasn't. That's attempted theft. If your child was switched at birth, you would have committed STRICT LIABILITY kidnapping. 


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@whateveryousay ... so your "simple" solution to ALL crime is to cause Lifetime Harassment and Ostracism to all the offenders.


There's a reason why no civilized society has implemented such an absurd, self-defeating policy.





Law_Check
Law_Check

@whateveryousay @DonkeyHotay

Well, the registries could go the way of the California penal system, but more fundamentally you're spreading false legal information. Many crimes that are punishable by registration and life in the tent are STRICT LIABILITY. 


That means that a person doesn't know whether he/she is committing them or not, i.e., he/she can never be certain that a person is capable of consent, either regarding intoxication or age. With plastic surgery, ubiquitous masks, fake ID's, forged government papers, etc, a person can never be certain that he is not committing a crime punishable by life imprisonment via registration. The person you believe to be your wife could really be a 13 year old with surgical attachments designed to look 50 just to entrap you. 


Technically, the COMEDY film Fast Times at Ridgemont High depicts child-rape and should therefore be outlawed as pornography. Same goes for much of our entertainment. 


I don't recommend abolishing the sex-offender registry. I just recommend dramatically reforming it to base it around more sensible and scientific principles that deal with the offender's state of mind.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@whateveryousay "Don't rape and don't molest!

It is that simple.  It really is. "


If it's as simple as your simpleton brain, then why hasn't it stopped?


You sound as vapid as Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" idiocy.




RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay @DonkeyHotay I agree that SORs are likely here to stay. And that is an indictment of a failed America. It is proof that intelligence can be overridden by nothing more than a bunch of ignorant people.


It is too bad that the SORs are worse-than-worthless. They not only do not prevent crime, they encourage and promote it. And now we also have a civil war on our hands.


Yet despite the greatness of the SORs, our ignorant masses have failed to get the rest of their Registries created. Somehow.

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@RodTemple @whateveryousay " It doesn't change the fact that not so long ago at all that so many of you thought it was a great idea to keep colored people away from you."  

How does that quote from you not have anything to do with race?

Seriously?  When you write "...so many of you...great idea to keep colored people away from you." 

You are pointing a finger at me and doing it with racial motivation.  

Again, the struggles of minorities to reach equality in the US have nothing to do with rapists and pedophiles.  

I am American born and raised.  I support the rights of women, men and children to control their bodies.  I do not support forgiving rapists and pedophiles.

Real Americans do not rape and molest.

Real Americans do not gratify themselves with the bodies of children.

Rapists and pedophiles are not real Americans.


RodTemple
RodTemple

@Superman_Saves_Lois @whateveryousay If you look at my response to whateveryousay, there was no comparison being made at all.


People who support the Sex Offender Registries do harass families. They also steal from them when they allow and support their big governments passing laws that directly take from those families (such as a right to move and live where they please, or to visit parks). That is theft that is not supported by any American.

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay People make choices.  People can either choose to rape and molest or not.  

I'm sorry that choosing not to rape or molest isn't a simple decision for you.


RodTemple
RodTemple

@whateveryousay @RodTemple You aren't so bright, are you? And I really expect that you know that. So has it ever occurred to you that perhaps you should learn what smart experts of sexual offending think about the Registries? Or do you think you are smarter than they are? Or, what I actually think is that most people who support the SORs don't really care that they do not work, they are just happy that they harass people who have done something wrong.


But let's try this just one more time - yes, that specific statement about colored people drinking from your water fountains was about race but the idea/concept was that was just a SINGLE example of how you "good" "Americans" DO get together, think together, and support things that are heinous, illegal, immoral, and un-American. That PARTICULAR example did involve race but the idea/concept has nothing to do with race. There are many, many examples that do not involve race and you can find those for yourself.


I do think people who support the SORs are MUCH more likely to support segregation and many other heinous acts. They will say that they don't support those things now but just because it is not popular to do so. But that's just my personal opinion.


You are dead wrong about all your "real American" BS. The fact is that a LOT of Americans do things that they should not. We punish them and then we all move on. Except for the pariah "sex offenders". Somehow they are more dangerous and deserving of lifelong harassment/punishment than all the other people who have done something wrong. Except that they are not. And that is what makes you people who support the criminal big government SORs not good Americans. And for the love of God, would you people who need nanny government please pay for it?! Would you people who cannot get enough laws and enough people working in big government pay for it? Don't ask me to continue to carry more than my fair share. I'm tired of your police state.

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