John Wiley Price's "Meeting" with Feds Next Week Will Not Be Fun

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Commissioner John Wiley Price in his lawyer's office after raid three years ago.

Kathy Colvin at the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Texas would not confirm or deny the veracity of Kevin Krause's post up now on the Morning News saying the feds have invited Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price in for "a meeting" next week. Price, whose offices and home were raided by the FBI three years ago, is presumed to have been the focus of a federal criminal investigation since the raids.

Price's lawyer, Billy Ravkind, confirmed to Krause that the U.S. attorney had asked Price to come in next week. He told Krause the feds will offer Price a deal, with an indictment hanging in the balance, and Ravkind predicted Price will turn down the deal.

Not that Ravkind doesn't know his client -- he has represented him in many matters over many years -- but it seems a little hasty to be making definitive statements before next week's meeting, which is not a meeting, by the way, more like a scary movie.

I spoke with Matt Orwig, a civil and criminal litigator at Jones-Day, who is a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Texas. He told me how these "meetings" usually roll.

"All U.S. attorney's offices that I have been involved with are about the same," he said. He said a major purpose of these events is to try to put the evidence against the target in front of the target's own eyes, rather than having everything filtered through the target's attorney.

"It's to kind of get an 'Oh shit!' reaction from the defendant," he said. "Sometimes there's a little presentation-type element to it, a PowerPoint showing some of the key documents, playing certain segments of tapes.

"It's going to be very substantive. They're going to say, 'This is what we have.' I think generally when the U.S. attorney's offices do that, it's with an indictment date in mind."

I asked Orwig, "Does the defendant's or target's position get worse if he allows the indictment to happen before there is a deal?"

Orwig said, "Yes."

But he also said he can't imagine everybody walking out of the room next week with a deal inked. He said the government will want a tough verdict, "especially in a high profile case like this and one that has had such a long, extensive and expensive investigation."

But he can't see Price copping to a prison term at the meeting. "I just don't see him going in and saying, yeah, he's going to do prison time. And I don't see the U.S. Attorney's Office saying they will accept anything less than prison time. So it's going to be a fight to the finish."

Whatever room may be available for compromise will have to do with what Commissioner Price can do for the government, Orwig said, not the other way around. He said they will ask Price, "'How can you help us? Is there somebody higher than you that we would love to have as a target?'"

In that case, there could be some negotiation. "Sometimes they will go ahead and say, 'This is the deal we will offer you.' Sometimes they will say, 'If you think there's a way for a reasonable resolution of this, let us know.' And they may have some outlying parameters or something like that."

What does all of that mean? I think it means the people really sweating next week's meeting won't be at next week's meeting. Their meeting is later.



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smichaelclark59
smichaelclark59

Hopefully we will finally get to put this ass behind bars.  What ever time he gets wont be long enough.   Maybe old age will get him before he can get out.  No steroids in prison.  Going to deflate fast JWP

noblefurrtexas
noblefurrtexas topcommenter

The failures of the Feds to take Price off the streets, out of the Commissioners Court, and into custody have been beyond belief.  

Price was allowed to run for re-election, despite being an accused thief, liar, tax cheat, race-baiter, and one of the most deceitful elected officials in modern Dallas County Officials.  ONLY ERIC HOLDER AND OBAMA COULD HAVE CUT THAT DEAL. 

 

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

Oh come on!  Can't you guys see that this is just the White Man putting his boot on the black man's neck to keep him down.

MikeWestEast
MikeWestEast

I doubt Commissioner Price has any evidence on "higher ups".  Assuming you are a major player in Dallas government or business:  Would you ever put yourself in a room with him without 5 other people as witnesses?  Would you ever send him a letter without sending copies to DMN and posting on web page?  Would you ever have a telephone call with him that was not on speaker with 3 others in room?  You indicate what would be best for the city (your self serving plans) and then recognize (on tape) his marvelous charities and contributions to public welfare.  Every single dime you send him is in your books with a bona fide and likely deductible reason.  When you get audited, you draw attention to payments and get IRS to certify as ok.


Mr. Price's issues stem from what he did with money AFTER he received it.  His bosses knew he was stupid and not to be trusted.  They made sure nothing he did for them could blow back on them.  They put the money into tight boxes from which he had to do risky things to get it.  Being a greedy hack, he went for it. 

Rumpunch1
Rumpunch1

FYI Commissioner Price - The FBI is requesting you bring keys to all houses and cars to the meeting.  You might also want to bring a toothbrush.

NewsDog
NewsDog

Can anyone say 'Special Election'?  or I wonder if he can delay this long enough to let his current term run out and then hand pick a sucessor.  

James080
James080

JWP won't take a deal. His defense can be summed up in two words: jury nullification. Ravkind as much as admitted that in the DMN story last week. The sentiment in South Dallas seems to be, "sure he's a crook, but he's our crook."

Guesty
Guesty

I'm curious to see how much of JWP's ego is wrapped up in his macho views of himself and his willingness to take the fall without snitching.  I expect that for JWP, going to jail without snitching has always been the highest form of honor and self-sacrifice (mostly because he has always envisioned it being someone else doing the time).  I would bet he has told himself many times that he would never snitch, and imposed that same view on those around him.


But reality has a way of changing things, and at some point, going to prison to protect other criminals will not seem as romantic or honorable as JWP once thought.  He'll get weak.  He'll want to talk.  Then it will come down to the deal he can make.  I don't think he can hand them anyone that would keep him out of prison, and that might be the deal breaker.  Because one thing JWP will not want, perhaps the one thing he fears the most in life, will be spending time in prison when people know he snitched.  He might be able to live with that, but my guess is this will be the single deciding factor in whether we see a plea here.

oakclifftownie
oakclifftownie

I wonder if all the other business dealings were as well thought out as keeping that kind money in a safe at the  house .

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

I'm waiting to find out if Perot Jr gets outed in this.

Bentleys and long green in wall safes don't come from a commissioner's salary, but I'm sure shutting down a huge warehousing and freight operation in southern Dallas county before it's built, which might infringe on the operations of something similar in northern Tarrant county could be worth a buck or two.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

Let's pray that this goes to trial.  I need days upon days of live blog reading live from the courthouse.  Its been far too long

melbent
melbent

I still don't know what he is accused of doing. But it seems like he has done some bad things. People need to stay away from criminal activities and focus on the good things in life. http://ow.ly/yAyyg

drjeff0001
drjeff0001

Do you really think JWP is going to drop dime on higher ups? My belief is there are some of us palefaces in on this. IF he talks it will take some big names down. He is a team player though and I would forget it. He is toast.

lzippitydoo
lzippitydoo

John Wiley needs to be moving to the big house with his big racist ego! What a long time cancer to Dallas politics - he has been divisive to city growth! It is amazing that Price has been able to operate with his continued racist attitude from the bench and that he has been continuously re-elected (although by only a few hundred of his paid cronies). Dallas will take a positive step forward when this clown has been indicted and removed from office! Good riddance!! 

roo_ster
roo_ster

I am just shocked that there might be corruption in Dallas County government.

tdkisok
tdkisok

The Gov't doesn't spend a bunch of money on somebody unless they are pretty confident they can get a conviction. Sounds like John Wiley Price has a tough fight ahead that he will probably lose.

choderus
choderus

John Wiley, whatcha gonna do?


When Federalmania runs wild on you?

brock81
brock81

Now you know those brothers in the pen love them some corn rows! 

Maddox
Maddox

If JWP gets indicted, does Jim Schutze get his copyright to _The Accommodation_ back from Price? That should be worth a reduced sentence.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Target.

Such a rude word.

In the words of The New Year: The end’s not near. It’s here.

"Whatever room may be available for compromise will have to do with what Commissioner Price can do for the government, Orwig said, not the other way around. He said they will ask Price, "'How can you help us? Is there somebody higher than you that we would love to have as a target?'"

This is why we need a special prosecutor with subpoena powr in the IRS going after the Tea Partiers.

You start with that Cleveland office and see how high it goes.  Roll them all up.

For Price an offer - minimum 5 years in a federal pen and a $250,000 fine.

"Next!"

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@noblefurrtexas 

Price was allowed to run for re-election, despite being an accused.....

you must have been absent from school when the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing, a core principle of American justice, was explained.

is it too late for you to learn some of these basics about our country?

ruthellaowens
ruthellaowens

@noblefurrtexas Why should white people be the only ones to craft schemes? Dick Cheney offloaded blame for outing Valerie Plame onto Scooter Libby, then George W. commuted Libby's sentence. Did that hurt your sensibilities?

Mayor Laura Miller was the only criminal to escape detention surrounding the Brian Potashnik mess. And, I am all for Mary Suhm doing some laundry, after the dirtiest deals in the history of Dallas, and that is saying something.

People thought Al Lipscomb was the only one taking bribes from Yellow Cab. Well, he is dead and look at Mayor Rawlings who tried to block Uber on Yellow's behalf. How do you feel about that, Noble?
 

Please take off your hood while you are at the dinner table, Noble.

fromtexasbygod
fromtexasbygod

If the Federal jury pool were to be exclusively drawn from Dallas County residents I would agree, but that's not how the Federal judicial system works, the pool of jurors will be residents of the huge multi-county  Northern District of Texas which will significantly reduce the odds of even one black racist eager to nullify ever being seated on the jury.  Ravkind knows full well that jury nullification in a Federal trial is unlikely if not impossible.

MikeWestEast
MikeWestEast

@James080  The DOJ has been down this path before.  They know how to paint the acts as hurting "real" people.  It will be about taxes and taking property that belongs to the county.  Unless innocent and it is highly unlikely jury nullification gets that result, DOJ just tries him again.  More money to his lawyer, less for him, same result. 


He is not dealing with redneck cops that beat a confession out of teenager.  These lawyers have seen it all.  It is why their conviction rate is so high.  Remember the Feds go to trial.  They love going to trial.  It is the county attorneys that push weak plea deals to save a few bucks.  Plenty of room in Fed prisons exists for Mr. Price.

brock81
brock81

@James080


I read somewhere the feds have a 93% conviction rate and the other 7 % are plea deals, so not good odds even when counting on a bias south Dallas "strong black jury". Not to mention the feds will move for a change of venue, if able. 

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@Montemalone someone is getting outted, and you know who ever it is, is white.  JWP aint going down with his trap shut to save whitey.  More than some windshield wipers are getting broken!

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@drjeff0001 

If he doesn't talk, that just points more at how corrupt this area is.  Keeping your mouth shut and doing your time when you are pinched is definitely an OC thing.

blevy6
blevy6

@holmantx The IRS wasn't targeting Tea Partiers.  It was looking into many organizations of all political stripes who were claiming exemptions for activities that might not have been tax exempt. 

James080
James080

@brock81 @James080 

From the DMN story:

Ravkind also said he would want any trial of Price to be in Dallas.

Ravkind said he thinks Price’s best hopes for an acquittal would be with a “strong black jury." “They won’t convict him,” Ravkind said.

Seems like a huge blunder for Ravkind to provide the grounds for the US Attorney to move for a change of venue.

drjeff0001
drjeff0001

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul I totally agree with you on that.  JWP is a hardcore player in the market of dark deeds and honestly, I can't see him getting convicted if he is tried in DFW. If it moves to South Texas or West Texas, God have mercy on him because that jury won't.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

then they can tell it to a prosecutor. just like John Wiley Price

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@James080 @brock81

As far as a change of venue goes, isn't that SOP for the prosecution to ask for in cases involving public officials like this?

Hard to imagine getting a fair trial in front of any jury assembled from Dallas citizenry for a divisive figure like Price.

Rumpunch1
Rumpunch1

@James080 @brock81  Ravkind has been saying stupid shit the whole time.  I always though it was because Price was behind on his legal bills. 


However, is Price intentionally building an ineffective defense strategy?

leftocenter
leftocenter

@holmantx @planodave

Do you know the rules about non-profits and political activiites?  Would you explain them to me, because I have this suspicion you are talking out of your backside...

blevy6
blevy6

@PlanoDave @blevy6  Well.  A devastating retort, one that clearly disproves my claim, which is based, after all, on the facts. The IRS does in fact need a looking into, but hardly by a prosecutor. The situation with JWP is something else again. 


James080
James080

@TheCredibleHulk @James080 @brock81 

Either side can ask for a change of venue. What can not happen, is that the judge can not order a change of venue on his/her own, without a request form the ADA or the defense. That is exactly what got Lipscomb's conviction tossed, improper change of venue.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@leftocenter

While there is an absolute prohibition on 501(c)(3) organizations participating or intervening in any political campaign on behalf of or in opposition to candidates for public office, 501(c)(3) organizations can engage in a relatively significant amount of lobbying activity if carefully conceived and managed.

501(c)(4) organizations include two types of organizations: (a) social welfare organizations, defined by statute as civic leagues or organizations operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare; and (b) local associations of employees of which the net earnings are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes. 

Watch the above video of Ellbrecht's testimony.  She started "True the Vote" - to get dead people off the rolls and restore voter integrity.  Social good and never endorsed or contributed to a particular candidate.  What the federal government did to her was raw.

I suspect you are the one who is blowing it out your pitute.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@blevy6 @PlanoDave

The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.” Tom Foley, Democrat, Former Speaker of the House.

You know.  Like the special prosecutor assigned to the Valerie Plame outing.  He knew early on Richard Armitrage told Novak.

And it's laughable there's no probable cause in the face of so much evidence.  And it is precisely because the Attorney General will not investigate that the People need the Congress to appoint one.  However, Reid is blocking it.  

But it is coming.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@dingo @blevy6 @PlanoDave


Man you dead-enders know yer in trouble when the vaunted DMN Opinion-crafters pile on.  Those cats don't ever wade in with their tsk tsk until the issue is already decided by the directional drift of the Public tide.

"That allegation is not Republican paranoia but detailed in a May 2013 report by the Treasury Department’s inspector general." Editorial: Evasive IRS boss underlines need for special counsel.

Lerner plead the fifth.

The IRS shredded her emails and threw away the hard disk.

Koskinen already misled Congress in March when he promised to produce all Lerner emails.  He already knew what happened to her emails and hard disk.  He lied to Congress - ala Scooter Libby.

But then again, Congress is now irrelevant since the President has invoked "aggressive unilateralism", to put it diplomatically.

"We know now that in addition to the tragic Lerner computer crash, six other IRS officials suffered similar mishaps; the backup tapes were recycled after six months; the physical hard drives were trashed; the outside vendor hired to archive email was cut loose; no one rates an apology … and, well, what of it?" (go Mr. Hashimoto, GO!)

"Even self-identified Democrats and liberals, by 3-to-1 margins, don’t buy the accident excuse. A federal archivist testified that the IRS “didn’t follow the law” by not reporting the email fiasco."

"This newspaper would argue that this is such a serious matter, with clear conflict-of-interest threat, that Attorney General Eric Holder must appoint a special counsel to lead an independent criminal investigation. Email generally has a sender and receiver, so even if someone at the IRS were able to scrub evidence on one end, other federal agencies have servers, too.  The force of the nation’s tax-collecting agency is immense and growing. It cannot be unquestioned power."

Watergate was a third-rate burglary and Nixon was only guilty of trying to cover it up.

The current occupant is an ideologue who shows no loyalty even to his henchmen.

After all, acts of public petulance and smirks are but a window to a jerk bereft of even basic leadership skills.

blevy6
blevy6

@holmantx @blevy6 @PlanoDaveSpecial Prosecutors have led to all kinds of abuse of power, which is why they were done away with.  What is the "so much evidence" of which you speak?  There is certainly evidence of incompetence, indeed.  There is also evidence that the IRS was attempting to come to terms with Citizens United and the exponential growth of organizations claiming exemptions, but who in fact were doing political work--on both the right and the left. Who exactly has been hurt by this so called scandal, as Chuck Todd asked the other day.  It is a good question.  The thread is really about John Wiley Price if you recall.  Price will clearly have his day in Court. It would seem that there is some pretty serious evidence of wrong doing on his part. \


holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@brock81 @holmantx @leftocenter

naw man I made that up myself.  After I wrote the case law and personally fought on behalf of Citizens United in front of the Supreme Court.


mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@holmantx 

oh self proclaimed case law expert, why don't you outline the specific laws that might have been violated by the IRS personnel in this instance?

I think we can all agree (I hope) that the government should not be used as tools in the game of politics, as a foil to persecute those on the other side of the aisle.

this current discussion of the IRS does not involve any of that. zero persecution. it is a story of IRS workers applying extra scrunity and review to the applications for tax free status by groups (on both the right and left btw) involved in political activities.

none of the groups were denied any of their rights of speech, of congregation, of their ability to act. these groups were not shut down, they continued to operate.

so let's see the laws that the IRS personnel would have violated that need investigation...without any breaking of a law, there is no prosecution that a prosecutor would be able to perform.

blevy6
blevy6

@dingo @blevy6 @holmantx @PlanoDave There is no right enumerated in the Constitution that exemption from Taxes are guaranteed for political advocacy. That is the issue here.  Fund raising groups that do political advocacy are subject to taxes--like any other "business." Their political speech is protected; they just can't exempt themselves through attempted loopholes from the laws of the land. 

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

@mavdog Conveniently not mentioning the "lost" emails in violation of federal data retention laws, eh? 


Doesn't it bother you at least a little that there are so many individuals in government who think that everybody not in government is a total idiot?  Or are you OK with your elected public officials treating you like you are a fool?

dingo
dingo

@blevy6 @dingo @holmantx @PlanoDave 

' they just can't exempt themselves through attempted loopholes from the laws of the land.'


attempted loophole == decided squarely by the Supreme Court.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@PlanoDave @holmantx

so you feel a need to seat a special prosecutor because these folks failed to follow SOP on cataloguing their e mails?

good grief, that's the best you can come up with?

Doesn't it bother you at least a little that there are so many individuals in government who think that everybody not in government is a total idiot? Or are you OK with your elected public officials treating you like you are a fool?

Not too sure where you're coming from with that rant, it seems that the people over at the IRS are just acting like those in private commerce, you know the ones who engage in questionable practices and then get a slap on the wrist by paying a fine. they are the ones who truly have the attitude you speak of, that they are much smarter than the rest, and the other guys who don't push the envelope are the fools.

this is just what the right is preaching isn't it, that the government should act just like the private sector? here's your example, don't ya love it?

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

@mavdog  If I lost emails that were requested as part of an ongoing investigation, internal or external, I would be fired immediately.

Not sure where you work, but my company has a code of business ethics and we follow it.

If there weren't a "smoking gun" in those emails, why were they deleted?  That is what we need to find out.  Unlike a private company, our tax dollars pay their salary.  Unlike a private company, we can't just choose not to do business with the IRS.

Nice to see that you are happy to bend over for your elected officials, though.  You would have probably been one of those good citizens who said all you were doing was following orders back before WWII...

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@PlanoDave @mavdog Aaaaaaaaaand there it goes.  The inevitable Nazi reference.  Argument lost, points invalidated, no matter how salient those points might have been.  Anyone who has to resort to a Nazi comparison to further an argument has absolutely no credibility.


(By the way, I actually see this particular argument in the same light as you, so you lost an ally.)

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@PlanoDave 

If I lost emails that were requested as part of an ongoing investigation, internal or external, I would be fired immediately.

you should look into the dates of 1) when the e mails were lost and 2) when the "investigation" began. Obstruction of Justice, which i think is what you are trying to point to, will only be relevant if the investigation began before the e mails were lost.

Are you able to "lose e mails"? I know that I can't, I have no access to the e mail server...neither did Lerner.

If there weren't a "smoking gun" in those emails, why were they deleted? That is what we need to find out.

You are quite the expert in prejudging based on people proving a negative. Doesn't work in law....

Nice to see that you are happy to bend over for your elected officials, though. You would have probably been one of those good citizens who said all you were doing was following orders back before WWII...

just can't help yourself from being a POS can you? "bend over" and the allegory to nazis. clear that you have lost the debate when you resort to that line of posting.

a loser is as a loser does..

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

@RTGolden1  To clarify, I didn't call him a Nazi.  I compared him to the mainstream citizens of Germany who sat by and did nothing because "it didn't concern them".

Different animal and, I believe, an apt comparison.

People are sitting by and watching abuse of power and they don't seem to care because it doesn't directly affect them; even though the organization directing the abuse touches each and every one of our lives in a very tangible way.

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

@mavdog  I wonder if you would have the balls to be such a dick to a complete stranger in a conversation at a bar....

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@PlanoDave @RTGolden1 That's not how you worded it, and the way you worded it ".... were just following orders...." makes it a Nazi allusion.

If that wasn't your intent, I apologize.  But 'Standing by doing nothing' and 'following orders' are two different animals.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@PlanoDave 

I wonder if you would have the balls to stand up to a complete dick acting such as I have in a conversation at a bar....

here, I corrected it for you, and the answer is yes.

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

@RTGolden1  I see your point.  My bad. 

I should have said "going along" instead of "following orders".  

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