Trammell Crow Wants to Build a Sam's Club at CityPlace

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Cheer up, Dallas. Yes, your hometown newspaper just completely snubbed you with its Best Neighborhoods list, and, yes, the chances that The Dallas Morning News will ever include any place south of Plano are close to nil, but there is hope, a development on the horizon that just might thrust Dallas back into respectability, or at least the Morning News version of it.

To wit, CityPlace is getting a Sam's Club.

Why developer Trammell Crow would decide to take the trend toward increased density in and around the urban core and screw it in the eye socket with the most unrepentantly suburban establishment possible is baffling. Presumably, they are addressing the oft-repeated gripes of downtown residents tired of schlepping to Duncanville or Garland for comically large quantities of pretzel bites.

Doesn't really matter. What does matter is that the development is scheduled to go before the City Plan Commission on Thursday.

The Plan Commission and City Council have already endorsed the idea that a big box store will go on the 16-acre property, which sits at Central Expressway and Carroll Avenue, just north of CityPlace Station. Last year, both approved a planned development district that would allow a 100,000-plus-square-foot food store (e.g. Sam's Club or Costco) or home improvement store (e.g. Home Depot or Lowe's).

But the CPC and City Council still must approve the development plan, which will be presented Thursday.

(A local zoning rep emailed Monday night to correct us: "Development Plans are ONLY approved by the Plan Commission. They do not go to Council, except for an appeal, which never ever happens. If it meets the requirements in the ordinance, the development code says that the commission 'shall' approve it.")

The development is planned for Councilman Adam Medrano's District 2. His representative on the CPC is Gabriel Soto, whose email address can be found here.

Send your story tips to the author, Eric Nicholson.


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tbarker1
tbarker1

Eric,  i have asked the social media friends of mine at Save Boy Scout Hill to join in a request to have the Plan Commission reopen their schedule for a new hearing on the East Village Sam's.  


TrammellCrowCo
TrammellCrowCo

You are invited to a neighborhood reception hosted by Trammell Crow Company to discuss the future development of East Village. The reception will be held tomorrow (Thursday, June 5) in the fellowship hall at the Agape Methodist Church at 5111 Capital Avenue from 6:30 pm to 7:30 pm.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

The most illuminating thing about this article and the resultant comment thread is that even in this subject area, about a retail store in the planning stages, Mavdog and Ruddski can still find ways to boil it down to a playground argument.

whocareswhatithink
whocareswhatithink

Ummm there is a Sam's club about 5 miles away on Skillman and NWY...I dont think those downtowners are exactly "schlepping" all that far

Subnx
Subnx

I hate density and urban planners.

DOisDUMDUM
DOisDUMDUM

Is Eric not aware of the Sam's Club 5 miles away from here? Or the other 3 that are less than 10 miles away? Or were those just not convenient for his little whinge?


Also: Is Trammel Crow really building Sam's Clubs? I would think that Sam's/Walmart would make that decision. 

James_the_P3
James_the_P3

I really can't believe that Trammel Crow would want its name associated with this monstrosity.  They get one of the most visible sites for development in the Metroplex, and the decide to do this with it?  It's really incredible that they would take this opportunity and put down the most banal and unimaginative thing possible.

doublecheese
doublecheese

I love it.  The suburbs are constantly bashed here, and here's all this whining for that most suburban of all suburban stores, Costco, to come to Dallas.  I bet the majority of Costco's customers are even white!  For shame!

cwi4691
cwi4691

A COSTCO inside LBJ would be nice. Apparently The DMN isn't the only outfit that thinks anything south of Plano doesn't count. No offense but, Sam's, we got plenty

joneckberg
joneckberg

Can the Observer try to work a totally unrelated shot at the Morning News into every story from here on out? Yeah, that would be great.


TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

This is not good news for the locally-owned businesses that sell Chi-com toilet paper by the ton

Gangy
Gangy

There are so many things wrong with this, I don't know where to begin.

doublecheese
doublecheese

@kc005  Say NO To Mega Box Stores In Uptown?


Really?  Unless it's a Costco, right?  

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

RTGolden1

Thanks! But the most illuminating thing I got from this article and comment thread was that people really like Costco.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

Steve Blow's sockpuppet strikes again.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki  Funny.  It's the ChiComs and the East Europeans who are piling in here and buying these 5 to 20 unit high-end apartment buildings.  They are taking their money out of their world and bringing it here.  I've been watching the deed transfers.  It's incredible how many units are popping up from Central to White Rock Lake.  Individual Asian and Ruskie money's bugging out of their countries.  Whole dollar-wize, they can play in the $1 million to $5 million range.

doublecheese
doublecheese

@Gangy  I know.  People will be able to buy things in bulk at low prices. 

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

Considering China has a few bubbles about to burst, I don't blame them. Any nation in the EU is dicey as well.

Everyone is preparing for the Big Bang.

No matter what happens, Walmart will profit.

kc005
kc005

@doublecheese @kc005  Those people didn't organize this event. I personally have less of a problems with the brand of SAM'S as I do with the build out plan. This parcel deserves a more urban development.


If you want a Costco instead, please come and tell Councilman Medrano tonight.


TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@SCamp2

When the big bang comes, I hope all the girls are pretty.

Dude, the Big Bang already happened, like, 6000 years ago and only about 25 percent of the girls are pretty.

Now, if you're talking about your own, personal Big Bang, I wish you the best of luck.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

that would be called a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than a prediction.

It was a prediction based on my assumption, gleaned from experience, that you would fulfill the prophecy, so it was your self-fulfilling prophecy, not mine.

Oh wait, I just blew my own prediction. This risks becoming an Escher thread.

SCamp2
SCamp2

@TheRuddSki  When the big bang comes, I hope all the girls are pretty.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

I was making a point that went over your head. That's all.

hmmm, let me see. nope, didn't happen.

I predict you'll get the last word in this inane discussion

that would be called a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than a prediction.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@DOisDUMDUM

Are Walmart's numbers slipping due to the reported increase of illegals going back to Mayheeco?

I read that in some article a while back, and it makes sense that those stores, and not just walmart, which cater to lower economic classes will lose customers when those customers leave.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

I was making a point that went over your head. That's all.

Funny thing about predictions, eventually most will come true.

I predict you'll get the last word in this inane discussion.

DOisDUMDUM
DOisDUMDUM

@wcvemail  Are Walmart's numbers slipping due to the reported increase of illegals going back to Mayheeco?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

Yeah,yeah, predictions are out there for just about anything you'd care to focus on. Funny thing about predictions, eventually most will come true. Timing is everything.

What's interesting about your inserting the issue of predictions on "the ultimate (btw how did your "ultimate" become "imminent"?? Odd) collapse of the US, capitalism and more" is what those have anything to do with the topic at hand.

Oh well, guess we should just be glad that you haven't tied the building of the Sam's or the difficulties of Wal Mart to the actions of "this Administration" or attempted to link it to some conjured Obama scandal. But then there's still time and you are likely not done....

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

Actually Mav, if you know history (and you undoubtedly do because you wrote it), there have been predictions and dire warnings concerning imminent collapse of capitalism, the United States, and indeed the Earth - global climate-change holocaustism hypothesis is just one example.

You really try too hard at times.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

Well, you were wrong in your assurance, as my thoughts were not about myself but about what strange paths some people's minds go. And how they reveal a lot about themselves by publicizing those thoughts.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

I'm sure when you hit the Post Comment button, you felt a sense of smug self-satisfaction, having crafted yet another zinger, because self-delusion.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

uh, OK, I'm sure when you first thought about that post it made some sort of sense to you.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@mavdog

And for a few centuries, some have predicted the ultimate collapse of the US, capitalism, and more.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

that's just what they said about Sears, Roebuck back in the day.

look what that corpse looks like now...

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Wcvemail

Trouble being, people are going to Aldi and such because Walmart is too crowded.

Walmart is too big to fail, actually.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@TheRuddSki  

At the risk of participating in yet another thread chain reaction, the cracks in Walmart's foundation are becoming obvious. U.S. same-store sales have been slipping for some time, but until recently have been masked by overseas expansion, now slipping as well. Twould be the depth of irony if the foreign investors mentioned by Holman bring their custom to domestic stores, only to find out that the Land of Big PX is not quite what it's cracked up to be.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/05/17/walmart-is-falling-apart-before-our-eyes.aspx

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

The mom and pop local bodegas resell

The add-water noodle soups which sell for 28 cents at Walmart sell for $1.75 at the E-Z Mart half a mile down the road here.

And I see EBT card users buying there all the time.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@dingo

Cityplace is not just the 2 planned/1 built office towers, it is a 135 acre mixed-use development. The towers were just a part of that plan. Not at all the primary uses.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@mavdog @wcvemail  

Although editing time expired while I was Indiana Jones-ing through historical links, I meant to say, "...fill the first buildingS..." how many bldgs/sq ft constitute Cityplace as it is today, anyway?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@wcvemail

Jr. and hubris. the two words fit together just like rock and roll.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@mavdog @wcvemail  

Yes, I'll stand to be corrected somewhat, it did manage to fill the first building with tenants. But compared to the original plans for 60+ buildings in that area, totaling 18 million sq ft, it's a failure. (Here's a surprisingly concise history: http://www.dallasnews.com/business/commercial-real-estate/20101104-Decades-in-the-making-Dallas-5827.ece)

I seem to remember a brief, throw-away line from Perot Jr about Vickery, saying essentially that they were much smarter than the 7-11 folks. Even at the time, I thought that was dripping with hubris.


TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@wcvemail

The problem with the first walmart C-store is there is no place to park, even though it has double the parking of others in the area.

In-store deli, and prices are actually realistic. I expect you'll see them in Dallas within two years

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@wcvemail

The problem with the first walmart C-store is there is no place to park, even though it has double the parking of others in the area.

In-store deli, and prices are actually realistic. I expect you'll see them in Dallas within two years.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@wcvemail

not correct to call CityPlace a "never happened multi-use development" when there is office, retail and residential projects there today...it took longer than the folks at Southland Corp. thought but they were right on target (pun intended) with the original plan.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@TheRuddSki  

There's some irony, considering Cityplace's own origins as 7-11 HQ and never-happened multi-use development.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

Bodega schmodega. Walmart opened up a C-store in Bentonville, experimental, no plans to open another.

2 weeks later, announced one for Rogers, AR next door.

Goodbye 7-11 and all that.

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