According to The Dallas Morning News, All of DFW's Best Neighborhoods Are in the Suburbs

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Dean Terry
The Dallas Morning News' peculiar vision of paradise.
Has it really been a year? Have 12 months really passed since The Dallas Morning News trolled us all with its rich, lily-white and generally boring Best Neighborhoods list?

No, it's been 11. But the paper apparently couldn't wait the extra 30 days, so eager it was to roll out the results of its newly rejiggered Best Neighborhoods formula. So without further ado, they are:

1. Central Plano 2. East Plano 3. Frisco (East of Preston) 4. North Richardson 5. McKinney West 6. Frisco (North of Eldorado) 7. Frisco (Southwest of the Tollway) 8. Keller 9. Southlake 10. Highland Village

Somehow, the new list, which the Morning News presents as an authoritative work of science, is even more suburban than the last, which at least included one neighborhood in Dallas proper (Prestonwood, up near Plano) and one inside the loop (University Park). This time, the list tiptoes into Dallas County only once, praising North Richardson for its "low crime; nice landscaping; plentiful parks, trees and gardens; and relatively short drives to many attractions."

See also: The Morning News' Best Neighborhoods Are Really Rich, Really White and Really Far Away

This raises all sorts of important questions, like Why was such a godawful data journalism experiment revived for a second year? and Why is the thought of living in Dallas so anathema to the city's only daily newspaper? We won't belabor these points. This is science, remember.

Kudos to the Morning News, though, for recognizing that, like climate change deniers and creationists, not all readers will agree with science. Enter the "Find Your Ideal Neighborhood" tool, which allows you to weight various criteria based on what you find important. Want the safest neighborhood you can find? Head to McKinney. Only care about noise? Las Colinas is the place for you.

Care about absolutely nothing? Want to live in a place with terrible schools, few parks, poor walkability, and few activities? Zero everything out. Move all the sliders to as far left as they'll go. Finally, you're in Dallas:

1. Kessler Park 2. Grauwyler Park 3. Bachman 4. Bradford Estates 5. Victory 6. Bryan Place/Cityplace 7. The Cedars 8. Oak Lawn 9. Shelby Place 10. Design District

Send your story tips to the author, Eric Nicholson.

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whiteguiltwimp
whiteguiltwimp

Eric Nicholson = white guilt propagandist.

"Boring lily-white" .... they are still better than the "shit-brown" neighborhoods.

melissaaboyle
melissaaboyle

There is no frisco southwest of the tollway. I am confused. That's either Plano or the colony.

chasd00
chasd00

If you have school age kids and can't afford to live in HP, Lakewood, or pay private school tuition then the suburbs start looking really nice. It's also nice to go to City Hall / library / any public place in the suburbs and not have to walk around the puddles of piss and shit.


/lived in downtown for 5 years and now live in N. Oak Cliff and until recently worked in Southlake. I'd take Southlake over downtown or Oak Cliff anyday if I could afford it

suntzujr
suntzujr

Mr. Nicholson, why are you so upset? This article has given you the chance to use the term "lily white," and show how open-minded and racially sensitive you are. I can imagine how excited you must have been to get that opportunity.

LakeWWWooder
LakeWWWooder

The Dallas Morning News does everything it can to sell newspapers on the northern tundra. 

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

"find your neighborhood" thing is stupid.  Altering the order in which you select or deselect things, changes the results for the same criteria.  Using various different approaches, I scored 4 different neighborhoods as #1 with all criteria set to 0, with walkability at 10.

Apocalypse
Apocalypse

You can put any criteria you want, but it breaks down to this. Are you in a DISD school district? Then it sucks to live there and you are leaving if you have kids and you can. Do you live within walking distance of a DART bus or DART Rail? Then the crime rate in your neighborhood is up and panhandlers, bums, etc.. are everywhere. You can make the inner areas of Dallas as nice as you can, but the citizens will ruin it.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

I kinda don't get it.  UP and the urban commenters berate the city all year long (except the Lakewooders, they genuinely seem to like their neighborhood): 1) Not walkable, 2) Not bike friendly, 3) too many freeways, 4) high crime and slow police response, 5) when DPD does respond they usually do so by shooting someone needlessly 6) crappy streets, 7) crappy drainage (3 dumpster flood scale IS a Schutze invention after all), 8) Poor Mass Transit system, 9) Poor city planning and 10) Institutionalized racism (which seems to be a catch-all around here.  Don't know a specific reason why something in Dallas sucks?  Racism.)

If you all hate the city so much, and you are its staunchest supporters, how do you expect anyone else to rate it highly?  Looking at the great DFW Metroplex from the viewpoint of a father moving his family here, Dallas itself would be the last choice.  Why?  The schools, period.  Nothing else would matter.  I would move where the little tricycle engines had a certainty of getting into a moderately good school system over the place where they had a ghost of a chance at a great school, but a bigger likelihood of ending up in some sort of juvenile facility.

Besides, What difference does a list in DMN make?  I'd almost wager that the Observer writers are the only people who even read the DMN.  Except for BMarvel.

CheeryBitch
CheeryBitch

Pets and landscaping is really enough of a priority that it's added to the criteria? Are you kidding? What the hell does "appreciation" represent?

packieblaydes
packieblaydes

Glad to see that Little Elm and Royse City make the top ten when commuting is a 10 and everything else zeroed out. 

Very logical

lawm112
lawm112

Hey boss this story was great we just sold more advertising spots

amarkscpa1
amarkscpa1

Go figure...  Set all to 0 and then set Walkabiiity and Pets to 10, then Downtown Dallas tops the list.  Then move Parks to 10, and Downtown Dallas off the list...  Say what..?, Downtown Dallas has the best parks in Dallas with Belo, Main St Gardens, Woodall Rogers Deck Park, etc.

paulinoakcliff
paulinoakcliff

@chasd00  


Raising two kids in North Oak Cliff now.  We love the North Oak Cliff Library, we go to Kidds Springs & Kiest Park rec centers several times a week, bicycle to Bishop Arts, in short, we love it there. I am a product of Richardson but I have never experienced the rich culture of diversity and community, arts and music that we enjoy now.  I get that "urban" living isn't for everyone but I don't see the puddles of piss and shit you're talking about all I see is my home.

LakeWWWooder
LakeWWWooder

@chasd00 Is is true that Southlake has less diversity than Highland Park ISD? How could you trade North Oak Cliff for that?

MikeDunlap
MikeDunlap

I would happily sacrifice multiple fingers and toes if it was required to avoid a life in Southlake. Just the thought of that is depressing. I feel really sad for people who would want to live there. They've likely seen very, very little of the world.

LakeWWWooder
LakeWWWooder

@Apocalypse Well my next door neighbor from a DISD school (Woodrow) just graduated Magna Cum Laude from Yale this weekend.

Lakewooder
Lakewooder

Property values and public school enrollment are way up in Lakewood. Yes, we love Dallas.

CheeryBitch
CheeryBitch

@amarkscpa1  Exactly. White Rock Valley is both the noisiest and the most quiet. Go figure!

chasd00
chasd00

@LakeWWWooder @chasd00  I don't know the diversity stats but it wouldn't surprise me. The thing is there's a whole list of factors that go into choosing schools with diversity just being one. My wife taught in DISD for 5 years (TJ) and now teaches at a Catholic private school in Plano (JPII) so she's seen both ends of the spectrum. We go back and forth between private school and the suburbs almost daily, our kids are 4 and 2 so we're running out of time and have to make a decision.


My children's welfare and education are pretty much my only priority for the next 15-16 years so if that means heading up North then i guess that's what i'm going to do.


Also, if you look at racial and economic breakdown of attendance there aren't many actual diverse schools. Public school diversity follows neighborhood diversity and truly diverse neighborhoods are rare. Then even if you find one you have to be satisfied with the academics, teacher/student ratio, parent involvement and everything else.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@MikeDunlap  

It's a shame It's not a requirement. Maybe we'd be spared your holier-than-thou urbanism if you were fingerless and unable to type.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@MikeDunlap  you say some really dumb shit.  If you have only ever lived or been to downtown areas, it seems that maybe you are the one who has likely seen very very little of the world.

doublecheese
doublecheese

@MikeDunlap  Yeah, those rich folks out in Southlake haven't seen much of the world...Do you ever read what you write before you hit "Post comment"?

Subnx
Subnx

Yup, Yale. Where liberals from Lakewood go to learn to be more liberal.

lftay
lftay

@LakeWWWooder @Apocalypse  You probably also don't believe anyone died in Iraq because your other neighbor's son came home without a scratch...

Apocalypse
Apocalypse

@LakeWWWooder @Apocalypse  Yes, you are correct, the DISD is churning out Ivy League graduates right and left. Its the envy of the TX Education system. So much so, that the DISD is batting away good teachers because they have so many already. Even its weakest schools are better than suburb schools.

Steve
Steve

@Lakewooder  Yes, the property values are up - and that pushes more families out to the burbs. I was born and raised in Dallas, right around Lakewood, but my family had to move up to Allen. The values are too high imho.

The_triplefake_Brandon_Eley
The_triplefake_Brandon_Eley

@luckysilverdollars

I assure you that I am anything but rich and my property values are a major concern to me.  

CheeryBitch
CheeryBitch

@luckysilverdollars Oh, well, DUH! I wasn't even thinking that. (Don't I feel stupid now!)


Still, it's real estate, returns are never guaranteed and shouldn't be expected. Suburbanites are just lucky at the moment that there's a shortage of housing.

observist
observist topcommenter

@chasd00 If you don't make the right decision before your oldest kid starts kindergarten, YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE COMPLETE FAILURES FOR REST OF THEIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Not even a teacher-for-a-mother can overcome a kindergarten year with  21-1 student teacher ratio instead of the 18-1 ratio in suburban nirvana!   TIME IS RUNNING OUT!!!!!!!!  YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES HANG IN THE BALANCE!!!!!!!!!!  Send them to Catholic school...nothing bad ever happens to kids there.

doublecheese
doublecheese

The company I used to work for moved their headquarters from NYC to Las Colinas less than 10 years ago.  Midtown Manhattan, Park Ave. NYC.  The first thing our executives did when they moved to Texas was buy big homes in Southlake.  Yeah, Southlake.  Those native New Yorkers, who really ought to know better, right? 

Subnx
Subnx

And Booker T which isn't a real school. It's like a magnet school for athletes would be. With that I bet the DISD would field some awesome basketball teams.

observist
observist topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin @LakewooderYeah, because that's how it is - 0.1% of Woodrow kids go to the Ivy League, and all the rest can't even get into community college.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@Lakewooder  and the other 99.9% cant get a job, congrats, you are part of the .1% lol

Lakewooder
Lakewooder

I know Woodrow kids at Brown and Columbia and two who excelled and graduated from Princeton and Yale a couple of years ago. There's a kid on the swim team headed to Penn and last year's valediction turned down Harvard for biomedicine and golf at Michigan. So going to an Ivy from DISD is not that unusual.

observist
observist topcommenter

@Steve Aw hell, we got one dude saying he's too poor to move out of the city, and another dude saying he's to poor to stay in the city, and all the same people like both posts!

doublecheese
doublecheese

@Steve  Thereby making the neighborhood even more homogeneous than it was before.  And these snobs have the gall to demean the ever more diverse suburbs as "lilly white".  Such denial. 

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