Plan for Restaurant on White Rock Lake's Boy Scout Hill Is Dead

Categories: Park and Rec

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Pro tip: Don't mess with the people of White Rock Lake. No matter how good your plans for providing parking for patrons of that fancy new children's garden or offering high-quality food and drink with a pristine view of the lake may sound in your head, you will lose.

For developers Lyle Burgin and Rick Kopf, the men behind the proposed restaurant at Boy Scout Hill, that lesson sunk in some point after their disastrous public meeting this week. They passed along a brief statement this afternoon announcing that they are formally withdrawing their proposal:

We both firmly believe that the concept would be an excellent amenity for all of the citizens of Dallas, but the present time is not the right time. We thank all of the individuals and groups that have voiced their support. And we will see you at the lake!

Occupying Boy Scout Hill in the restaurant's stead will be the scalps of those who've been foolish enough to go toe-to-toe with White Rock neighbors

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SophiaWilliams
SophiaWilliams

I think people can be better off leaving the lake alone and just turn it into a tourist spot. I'm not 100% sure about what's the real issue here, but the developer should really consider the environment. This is not entirely impossible because innovative engineers have found a way to mix modern architecture with nature. I can imagine the immaculate <a href="http://ponddye.com/why-aquaclear/">view of the clear lake</a> over a green-house restaurant setting. However, is the lake still in good shape or is it in salvaged state?

rusknative
rusknative

white rock area and east dallas....bastions of brainless libtards.

Tonto
Tonto

THE BOY SCOUT HILL PROJECT SHOULD BE COMPARED TO THE WHITE ROCK BOAT HOUSE ROWING VENUE AND THEIR "FOR PROFIT" OWNERSHIP, WHO ARE THE BIGGEST NOISE POLLUTERS IN THE CITY WITH THEIR MEGAPHONES, YELLING AND SCREAMING*, IS A PRIME EXAMPLE FOR THE KIND OF BAD DEAL MADE BY THE CITY OF DALLAS. WHEN AUDIT CALLED FOR, MORE THAN $100,000 IN UNACCOUNTED FUNDS IN TRUST FUND SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR WHITE ROCK LAKE.OWNERSHIP PLAYING STUPID AND SAYING THE CITY WON'T ACCOUNT FOR IT. HA, HA!!!


THIS PROJECT, WITH IT'S UGLY METAL BUILDING NEXT TO THE ARCHTECTUALLY IMPORTANT PUMP HOUSE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN APPROVED IF THE SAME PROCESS USED FOR BOY SCOUT HILL HAD BEEN FOLLOWED. BET "FOR PROFIT" OWNERSHIP IS IN BREACH OF CONTRACT ESPECIALLY IN THE PADDLEBOAT COVE THEY HAVE TAKEN OVER....AUDIT THEIR CONTRACT AND PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO UNACCOUNTED $$$$ IN CITY OF DALLAS TRUST ACCOUNT...SHOW US THE MONEY???


*ROWING VENUE USES AMPLIFIED AND NON-AMPLIFIED MEGAPHONES AND BULLDOZE PADDLE, YELLING/SCREAMING ALONG THE SHORE LINE DISRUPTING "QUIET ENJOYMENT" OF PARK PATRONS OUT FOR A PEACEFUL STROLL/RUN/BIKE AND SCATTERING FEEDING/NESTING/BREEDING SHORE BIRDS SUCH AS THE GREAT BLUE HERON, SWANS, PELICANS ETC !!!!!!!


jswilson64
jswilson64

It's a shame there's no other possible location to put a restaurant in Dallas. These poor entrepreneurs will just have to always wonder what would have been, I guess.

Fred
Fred

I would love it if these same people could organize for other major issues in Dallas, i.g., park drilling, trinity river toll.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Good.  Every piece of prime real estate does not HAVE to be developed by money-crazed capitalist crooks. 

tbarker1
tbarker1

The other commenters bring up some hard facts of life with Dallas City Hall vs parkland or mainstream issues that continue to be revisited.


Tues morning at Winfrey Point will find many of us in hot discussion with the Park Dpt. over what I call the "Blue Spray of Death".  The spray is Rodeo, and with the turquoise tint used this year, discovered to have been sprayed everywhere and on wildflowers, roads, trails, park picnic tables, etc.  

The Park Dpt. admitted that it has been used, widely, for ten years. Who knew?  Bet you didn't know.

We want smarter management of our parks, each of them distinctly unique.

P1Gunter
P1Gunter

I predicted on this very blog it wouldn't happen. After the Arboretum tried to build a parking lot on the lake and got killed by us it was obvious. Leave us and our lake alone. We will always take up to save our hood. Wanna open a restaurant? There is space on Garland and on Gaston. But as the great Wylie H said, then they would have to pay for it.

oakclifftownie
oakclifftownie

Anyone who really believes this is over and done with will be in for a rude awakening in the not to distant future .

Still enjoy the moment savor the victory .


The curtain has closed on act one .



ozonelarryb
ozonelarryb

The quick cave may be deceptive. Don't let your guard down. Especially if Jerry Allen dips a finger in.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

Tactical retreat? or strategic withdrawal? The two are not the same thing. Keep your eyes on the consent agenda.

Oxtail
Oxtail

Thank you to all who attended the meeting. This is good news for my neighborhood. Those guys got balls for trying and in the end, they listened to the community. That should also be acknowledged. ...Now where is the celebration party?

jswilson64
jswilson64

@rusknative  Have you checked real estate prices in east Dallas? No way a liberal could afford a house over there.

jswilson64
jswilson64

@Tonto  A gallon of gas, a road flare or two, and the dark of night, and all your problems could be solved...

jswilson64
jswilson64

@Fred  Try setting up a drilling rig in the White Rock Lake park. Go ahead, I dare you!

jswilson64
jswilson64

@tbarker1  Fighting a big-city parks department over their use of Round-Up to kill vegetation on parking areas and in sidewalk cracks is going to be like tilting at windmills.  It's hard to get people organized against something many of them have in their garages.


You're better off with the "running lawn mowers over baby meadowlarks" angle as long as you leave "protected species" out of it. Because when you say "protected species," someone's going to bring up the Snail Darter and folks will sneer, oh jeez not that again, and someone else will point out that grackles and starlings are protected species, too, so why's that a big deal.

A-nony-mouse
A-nony-mouse

@tbarker1For those of us not at Winfrey Point on Tuesday morning: Rodeo is "Rodeo Herbicide... a very popular glyphosphate herbicide for the control of aquatic weeds and plants. ... also an effective brush killer, although it generally takes 7-10 days to kill perennial brushy plants. ... To avoid drift so that you don't spray desirable plants, use a marking dye, so you can see where you have sprayed. The marking dye will wash off."

For use in: "Aquatic Sites-including all bodies of fresh and brackish water which may be flowing, non-flowing or transient. This includes lakes, rivers, streams, ponds, seeps, irrigation and drainage ditches, canals, reservoirs, estuaries and similar sites."

P1Gunter
P1Gunter

I don't think you understand how passionate East Dallas is about the lake. The best Oak Cliff example I can think of is tearing down Jefferson but that's not my hood. It will not happen here. Short of a floating restaurant on the lake (which actually has been done) there will be no restaurant in the park.

robtbunch7
robtbunch7

@bvckvs @Tonto I read Tontos comment and I didn't notice the noise  level going up at all in my office. Do you have some sort of fancy new computer that translates text typed in capital letters into an actual yelling voice that blasts out at you from your computer screen? What difference does it make to you or anyone if Tontos comments are typed (shouted) in all caps or not. Actually no difference at all. I think you just don't like what he has to say. All caps =shouting is just some DA computer ettiquette nonsense dreamed up by people with nothing better to do.

Tonto
Tonto

@bvckvs @Tonto....NOT IRONIC AT ALL BUT ON PURPOSE TO GET THE POINT ACROSS YOU ACE TOP COMMENTER YOU....I'll be quiet now!

jswilson64
jswilson64

@bvckvs @Fred  Just interested in our own neighborhood?  Like the example set by our city council, maybe?

rusknative
rusknative

@bvckvs @Myrna.Minkoff-Katzthey met up with the White Rock Citizens equivalent of the Federal Bureau of Land Management kooks.

rusknative
rusknative

@P1Gunter east dallas is about libtard elitist wannabes who are pretend enviro kooks...but buy their chemicals for home at Home Depot and kill everything that looks unfriendly growing in their own backyards.

White Rock is another Dallas HasBeen ex rich folks living area filled with pretend wannabe rich folks who were edumacated beyond their intellects.

Oxtail
Oxtail

@bvckvs You obviously don't live around here. I live and work by the lake EVERYDAY. I see bikers and joggers entering the lake in rain or shine, hot or cold, Mon-Fri and not just on the weekends. A more accurate statement would be: "Only a few people would enjoy the small restaurant in any given week.  Hundreds per day enjoy the park."

DeLaNate
DeLaNate

@bvckvs @Oxtail  Or maybe the restaurant would end up like most restaurants and be out of business within a year or so. Then there would be a nice vacant restaurant instead of a nice park that many people enjoy each week.

tdkisok
tdkisok

@bvckvs


"Only a few people enjoy the small park in any given week."


That is a laughable statement. 

P1Gunter
P1Gunter

Are you high? The lake trails are packed every day. Try living and driving by it every day.

kennethmesser
kennethmesser

@bvckvs @Oxtail  It doesn't matter how many residents enjoy the park in a week, the point is it's there. If the developer wants to open up a restaurant, there are plenty of other vacant sites throughout the city.

loki.laufeyson
loki.laufeyson

@Oxtail  Guess you didn't see me out there on my bike, or relaxing at the Celebration Tree Grove at Poppy Drive after my ride. I love to stop there on my way out of the park as I head back home after a nice ride and just pray for a spell, and sip some cool water. Why not come join me some time?

Oxtail
Oxtail

@bvckvs @Oxtail  Maybe you should exercise at the lake rather than inside Gold's and you would see more than a just couple and their dog.

hotdogthatshit
hotdogthatshit

@bvckvs @Oxtailso if you dont see people actively using it when you drive by at a certain time, it must never be used?

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@P1Gunter  Bucky is not allowed there, something about minimum distance from parks 

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@bvckvs @kennethmesserYou don't stop to think do you?  The group seeking to use the building on BSH described itself as non-profit, no doubt to satisfy some loophole in the state law that prohibits just this sort of thing on dedicated municipal park land.  There go  your property tax revenues.

Most deals like this the city gets involved in include some sort of tax deferment on gross receipts.  So if the non-profit status didn't negate the sales tax entirely, it is likely the city would have waived their portion of sales tax receipts.  

What was your argument again?

Oxtail
Oxtail

@bvckvs If you run a business like a city you will destroy a business. If you run a city like a business you will destroy a city.

robtbunch7
robtbunch7

@bvckvs @kennethmesser More than a few people do visit but that's not the point. It's the home and habitat of wildlife and there needs to be a place for wildlife and nature in Dallas and Dallas parks. People like you who want to put a monetary value on everything suffer from a great poverty of the spirit. I seriously pity you. Now go back to counting your money.

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