Oak Cliff's New Streetcar Won't Run Nights or Weekends

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Dallas City Councilman Scott Griggs wasn't pleased with the status update on the downtown-to-Oak Cliff streetcar line city staff delivered Monday.

He wasn't happy that planners had settled on a final color scheme (parallel bands of DART's yellow, blue and white; picture here) without informing him. The Oak Cliff end of the line, scheduled to open in early 2015, is in his district after all, and he'd requested design information several weeks ago.

Griggs was more upset, however, by another detail delivered by senior transportation planner Keith Manoy: The system is scheduled to run from 5 a.m. to 7 p.m., Monday through Friday.

That's fine for workaday commuters. But what of the business types staying at the Omni who want to eat dinner or grab a drink in Bishop Arts? And what if someone in Oak Cliff wants to go downtown on a Saturday for .... some peace and quiet?

Part of the idea behind the street car, which will cost around $51 million by the time it's finished, was to "capture that group of people, and we're completely missing out on that," Griggs said.

The Oak Cliff streetcar line will keep missing out on that for the foreseeable future. For one, the Bishop Arts and convention center stops are part of the project's second phase, and construction on them hasn't yet started. There's also no funding currently available to extend the hours.

Luckily, Councilwoman Vonciel Hill has a solution.

"The way for us to get the additional hours is to get extra federal funding," she said.

Hill, as she is wont to do, encouraged Griggs to put on his walking shoes to lobby Congress the next time the council heads to Washington.

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icowrich
icowrich

7PM is just late enough for conventioneers to head out to Bishop Arts for dinner...and get stranded.

AdamsonScott
AdamsonScott

Do these city council people think of nothing other than how to waste taxpayer money on stupid stuff?

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

I can look out my kitchen and bedroom windows and see 2 Redline L stations, both running 24/7. I can look out my living room windows and see Lake Michigan.

And the L actually goes where you want to go.

So nice to be back in Chicago.


xmantx
xmantx

More idiotic Dallas City Council nonsense. Is the D-Link going away I assume? Maybe they could run the D-Link on Nights and Weekends?

rustybuttplate
rustybuttplate

An East Dallas Guy here. I looked with one stop in Oak Cliff that greatly enables a luxury condo development and little else. At least they could extend the hours. Then Oak Cliff's robust cycling community could establish pedicab shuttles from the Zang at Oakenwald.stop. Would be a wonderfully eco-friendly and a testament to small business.


brad.mason.dallas
brad.mason.dallas

Perhaps horse drawn carriages from Methodist to Bishop Arts then Vonciel can complain about animal cruelty.


casiepierce
casiepierce

I just knew this was going FUBAR from the get-go. Federal funding for operating costs? Good luck on that one. Wonder how MATA manages to stay open and successful (and until midnight on weekends) with no Federal operating dollars?

CrackerDaddy
CrackerDaddy

Leave it up to Dallas to fuck up something good.

Anon.
Anon.

Vonciel, Vonciel, Vonciel. What are we going to do with you? You want to keep a road that's only used by 100,000 vehicles a day each way when there are lots of other options, you want a cost prohibitive toll road that none of your constituents will use and will periodically flood and requires moving a river, but you don't want mass transit that gets people where they want to go when they want to go there and will be a catalyst for a part of town to continue to grow and thrive?

Remember, just because you are the Dallas Transportation Committee Chair does not mean you know anything about transportation - please study up on the issues before you opine upon them. I'd suggest that you not rely on the President's new four year proposal for transportation funding. That proposal looks good, but it will not happen. Have you not learned anything? The state and Federal governments are highly unreliable sources of ongoing funding. You might want to reflect back on how Dallas did not recently receive a TIGER grant you were relying on for another transportation project. You might not want to rely too heavily on them.

Did someone forget that "Equity" thang or do Gary Thomas or Scott Griggs just irritate you by not being under your spiteful thumb?

Ben-Ghazi4Daze
Ben-Ghazi4Daze

This is happening for three reasons.


Obamacare


Hillary Clinton lying about Benghazi.


Obama being born in Kenya.


Oh, did I mention Obamacare?  Well Obamacare for moronic libtard lefties and communist socialist looking for a hand out.  

seat21d
seat21d

Could we direct the Dwayne Caraway's south-Dallas-has-too-much-trash-blowing-around-so-let's-pass-this-stupid-ordinance bag ban tax towards extended hours?

DOisDUMDUM
DOisDUMDUM

Ahahahah this is nothing but a stupid vanity project to placate assholes who should just move to Brooklyn

cvaz
cvaz

If there's only so much funds then it should start running at 5pm instead. Daytime hours are an extra while parking in the BAD is impossible at night or on the weekends.

kduble
kduble

The commuter market is different from the leisure market. Apparently, city staff has opted to cater to one while ignoring the other.

lakewoodhobo
lakewoodhobo

They better start selling ad space and naming rights quickly to help pay for at least a couple more hours of service a day. 

iLiveInDowntown
iLiveInDowntown

I live in Downtown. I can't wait to go to Methodist Hospital at 5am on a Monday! Whoop! Whoop!

Tipster1908
Tipster1908

Based on the traffic I still see on the roads around 7pm, that cut off makes it worthless even for commuters.

WylieH
WylieH

[Luckily, Councilwoman Vonciel Hill has a solution. 


"The way for us to get the additional hours is to get extra federal funding," she said.]

What about cancelling the toll road?  THAT could provide some cash.

snotme
snotme

Sounds like DCTA'a A-Train. They didn't want to run on weekends or nights at first but eventually relented.

pak152
pak152

Vonciel I have a better idea. just assign some of Caraway's bag tax to the trolley

P1Gunter
P1Gunter

So it will now be officially useless. 7pm? Seriously?

curmudgeon
curmudgeon

I love streetcars, but the longer this goes on the more of a boondoggle this proves to be. 


Another question is - what happens when the city/DART run out of the Love Field connector money that is funding operations (around $13 million)? Who is going to step in and pay for operations? The city is going to show us turned out pockets. DART is going to chuckle and say - hey this isn't our project... 

oakclifftownie
oakclifftownie

I know, lets go to the Oak Cliff Transit Authority  web site and ask them what is happening .

..

becoolerifyoudid
becoolerifyoudid

"But what of the business types staying the Omni who want to eat dinner or grab a drink in Bishop Arts?"


Is there a word missing in this sentence?

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

Councilcritter Hill really is clueless. 


"The way for us to get the additional hours is to get extra federal funding," she said.

That's right go cozy up to Uncle Sugar and see if he will give us some of his money that he has in his pocket.

Anon.
Anon.

Often the ones who don't get outvoted by those who do.

kduble
kduble

@brad.mason.dallas It makes sense to match the buses and LRT. It communicates to the riders that it's a unified system.

shelton_greg
shelton_greg

@Ben-Ghazi4Daze we know... and the Government has not been straight with us on Area 51 and the Pyramids were built by people from outer space... etc.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@lakewoodhobo

Brilliant idea. I suggest Wells Fargo Bank.

DeLaNate
DeLaNate

@snotme  It's not that they didn't want to run the A-Train on nights and weekends, they were just taking a phased approach to see if the demand would be there. Once the demand was there and they got the money and new trains they started running more. That was always my understanding from people who were familiar with DCTA.

kduble
kduble

@curmudgeon My understanding was that this isn't funding ops. I thought it was funding the extensions in both directions, from Methodist Hospital to Bishop Arts on the OC side, and from the Dallas Morning News to Pioneer Plaza downtown.

oakclifftownie
oakclifftownie

@becoolerifyoudid That is a long walk to Bishop Arts from the last trolly stop so I doubt riding it would be on the Chamber of Commerce things to do list

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@tpfkap

The way to get fed money is to call it a high-speed streetcar.

cvaz
cvaz

@DeLaNate @snotmeIf the idea is to check demand then start with the times that are in high demand - evenings and weekends.

kduble
kduble

@DeLaNate @snotme That was the case with Austin's train as well, and I suspect it will be the case with the OC streetcar.

kduble
kduble

@cvaz The challenge there would be that Friday, Saturday and Sunday afternoons might be hopping, but all the other days might be dead, and you can't build a service on just weekends and evenings late in the week. I'd like to see it run later, though, particularly Thursdays and Fridays, and they need to ramp up weekends ASAP.

casiepierce
casiepierce

@oakclifftownie I assume they have a sight-specific shuttle agreement with DART and how they are funding operations.

oakclifftownie
oakclifftownie

@bigjondaniel @oakclifftownie@becoolerifyoudid 

Well Big John... Forward thinking people would expect the trolly to actually end up at the destination that  was originally promised . Not a short hike away And Dart now has a shuttle from Downtown to Bishop Arts So what on Earth do we need this for ?

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@Anon. @TheCredibleHulk @TheRuddSki  

We'll call it "Stelllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaa!"

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