Dallas Midtown Developer Says Valley View Area Will Have a Subway. Someday.

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Dallas Midtown, the mixed-use wonderland that will replace the decrepit Valley View Center, will have everything a modern urbanist could want. If everything lives up to developer Scott Beck's vision, there will be several thousand apartments and condos, hundreds of thousands of feet of office and retail space, artists to give it a SoHo vibe, easy pedestrian and bike access, and multiple grocery stores all centered on a 25-acre park with Klyde Warren-style programming.

There's just one thing missing: decent access to public transportation. Just in case the modern urbanist wants to go somewhere.

Beck's already thought of that. He says there are plans for a subway -- "it literally goes underneath the Valley View Mall area" -- with a stop at Dallas Midtown. The possibility of this east-west rail line was built into the LBJ Express Project, he says.

"The outermost lane that's the closest to the north access road, between that and utility easement there's a 100-foot easement that could fit a subway."

The rail line, which would link with the Red and Blue Line to the east and the Green Line to the west, is years, if not decades away, if it ever happens at all.

"It's still a 'vision' element of the 2030 Plan, which means it is a project we would like to see happen but it isn't programmed," DART spokesman Morgan Lyons writes in an email. "No funding has been identified or set aside for it, so there is no timeline. We will look at it again with other projects as we update the system plan over the next year or so."

An LBJ rail line makes intuitive sense, given what the freeway looks like at rush hour. If Beck can start delivering a fraction of his vision and bring Uptown-style density to a patch of North Dallas two-and-a-half times Uptown's size, it will make even more sense.

Phase I of the project, a gateway building fronting Preston Road featuring 600 residences and 100,000 square feet of retail, is set to break ground later this year.

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22 comments
juanmayeaux
juanmayeaux

Project sounds like Dallas' newest "Little Mexico".

markzero
markzero

Needs an unfinished monorail and canals nobody uses, for that Las Colinas feel.

dingo
dingo

Seems redundant with the Cotton Belt existing right of way given more consideration up to this point.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

Misleading headline, there's nothing about sandwiches in here.

d-may
d-may

" The possibility of this east-west rail line was built into the LBJ Express Project, he says."


Wait... what? Really? Can an intrepid Observer Staff member confirm this? First I've heard of it.

James080
James080 topcommenter

An east-west subway from I-35 to US 75? That will never happen.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

He just turned the big 4-0.  He does not possess the experience for this kind of development.

The third guy in will make money.

kduble
kduble

@dingo The Cotton Belt is a lot further north.

kduble
kduble

@d-may I've seen old concept maps of 15-20 years ago. It's there.

theslowpath
theslowpath

@d-may  Dallas, it just means the ROW exists. There is zero infrastructure, budget, or even design elements in place. 

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@holmantx

Beck is the 4th "guy in". Homart, LaSalle, Macerich and now Beck Ventures.

Age is not the critical determinant to success in real estate.

bvckvs
bvckvs topcommenter

@holmantx

He's Glen Beck's brother.  What he lacks in experience, he makes up for in arrogance.

James080
James080 topcommenter

@holmantx  

He's likely making money, taking some sort of rather large salary from his investor's money or development loans. What you may mean is his other investors and lenders will lose money, the third group of investors and lenders will make money.


For example, look at Perot's development of Victory Park. Ross Jr. likely made some nice development fees personally, right up until his "ownership entity" defaulted and pitched the entire development back to his German lenders.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@mavdog @holmantx  

He's the first guy in.

knock the mall down.

And what is his development experience?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@bvckvs

He's Glen Beck's brother

was that intended as a joke?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@holmantx

your ability to cut and paste is one extraordinary talent. too bad you lack the integrity to give attribution to those from whom you steal work.

"has no bearing on his ability to develop an intense multi-phase commercial development".

do you know the guy? have you EVER had a single conversation with him? do you have acquaintance with anyone who has EVER done business with the guy?

didn't think so.

BTW it isn't a "multi-phase commercial development". it is a mixed-use development. again, total lack of knowledge on your part.

keep up the good work!

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@mavdog @holmantx  

In a discussion of many subjects involving phenomenology, such as the debate between creationism and evolution, one must ultimately make a determination that God either does or does not exist. The belief in the existence of a god is generally regarded as an element of faith. The assumption that God does not exist is justified as an assumption of science under lex parsimoniae or Occam's Razor. The actual existence or non-existence of God is generally recognized as not being directly observable and not susceptible to logical proof. If the determination of the existence of God is important to the subject matter being discussed, then such a discussion or analysis would be based on an extraordinary assumption and not a hypothetical condition. Then if the assumption is important to the results of the analysis, the results would be only as reliable as the certainty of the assumption.

So as an extraordinary assumption, He would be the first in.

And young Scotty would have been 19 when his Dad bought 12 subdivisions out of bankruptcy, so he be 3.

which has no bearing on his ability to develop an intense, multi-phase commercial development.

loser.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@holmantx

"God was the first one in". not possible, who created God? he would have to be "the second one in"at the least.

oh, I see, reset the string of ownership to suit your "3rd in" remark. okey dokey.

from Beck's website: "Beck Properties purchased Trophy Club out of bankruptcy 20 years ago."

you really should learn about a person before you choose to make negative comments about their abilities....

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@mavdog @holmantx  

According to your formula, God was the first one in.

See if you can get your head around this - he's the first guy in to knock the mall down and change the use of the land to a mixed-use development.  Comprende?

And Trophy Club?  He developed Trophy Club?  Are you sure you want to stick with that?

Scott Beck would have been 10.

And it went under at least once that I know of.  Maybe he was the 3rd kid in (ha!).


mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@holmantx

He's the first guy in

hmm, guess the prior groups who owned the property didn't really exist....

And what is his development experience?

trophy club.

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