Cliven Bundy Went "Off Script"? How Do You Figure?

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Republicans are always trying to act shocked when some dude like this opens his mouth and isn't reciting Lord Byron in a British accent.

There was an op-ed in The Dallas Morning News this week talking about the damage Republicans suffered when Cliven Bundy, the racist rancher from Nevada, "wandered off script."

Off script?

The real problem for Republicans is their belief, if it is sincere, that Cliven Bundy was ever anything but right on script. Did they think he was going to recite Shakespeare? I see parallels here with the story about Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott and his bromance with an aging rock and roller who called the president of the United States a "subhuman mongrel" and has a history of vile misogynist remarks.

Every two weeks some Republican leader steps forward to say the party needs to reach out to minority and women voters, here in Texas and nationally. A day later, their top-of-the-ticket candidate in Texas embraces a guy who racially slurs the president of the United States and says stuff about women that would get him shot if he said it about your sister.

Then the next day the entire Foxoholic wing of the party rushes to embrace an old white dude in a cowboy hat with chaw juice in his creases who refuses to pay his bills to the federal government. Off script? Somebody actually thinks Ted Nugent or Cliven Bundy went off script?

Here's the joke, and it's not funny. The average progressive urban white, African-American, Latino, immigrant or anybody else who doesn't stay up all night watching Fox would have looked at Bundy from about 50 yards distance and before Bundy ever opened his mouth would have said, "Oh, I do hope that man won't open his mouth, because if he does you know he's going to come out in favor of slavery."

Bundy was totally and inevitably and inescapably right on script. Not an inch off. That's the point. And that's what sticks. When Fox-wing Republicans chance upon a Ted Nugent or a Cliven Bundy, there is an obvious burst of passion, an immediate coloring of the cheeks, a puckering of the lips. All of that lewd body language -- the outstretched arms, clutching fingers and jiggly hips -- says, "Oh, where have you been all my life, you great big wrinkly old racist white man, you?"

If through some terrible mischance a reporter is standing nearby when the old dude does open his mouth and does pour out the inevitable defense of slavery, sure, the Foxoids all run for cover ("Slavery alert! Slavery alert! All personnel report to your slavery shelters!"). But it's too late. Way too late. Everybody already saw the big smoocheroo about to happen, and, believe me, that is one smooch that will never fade from memory even with medication.

The smooch tells people what far-right Republicans really go for, what their gut passions are. All of the revisionism and the spin that come later are a waste of breath, although I guess it has to be done. When I try to put myself in the shoes of moderate mainstream Republicans -- Oh, wow, these are really nice shoes! Can I keep these? -- I understand that they have to speak out against their Foxoholic country cousins, and I guess I respect them for doing so.

But politics and voting, especially when you are trying to win over truly undecided voters, are less like a college lecture than a fiancee's first visit to meet the parents. It's all deeply visceral and personal. So, the undecided voter visiting the Republican family for the first time may tell himself or herself, "They seem like such nice people, maybe it's unfair to hold the old, racist, demented guy in the nasty hat against them." But then they're going to think, "Gosh, there he is, though, in those very unflattering swim trunks, right in the middle of the gene pool."

And there is also this: Apparently since he appeared publicly with the racist misogynist rocker, Abbott's stock has risen among Texas Republicans. So how different is one wing from the other, really? No matter what wing of the party they tell you they're from, they all do have that strong family resemblance, do they not? Around the eyes? Especially if there is to be drinking later on, your best bet is anything you can do not to remind them of a crazy old white person. You know about that script.

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holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

I don't care if you jumped the shark on this one or not.  I haven't seen this many posts since you shot J.R.

col_bluntstown
col_bluntstown

Jim's musings on the supposed GOP hivemind reminds me of a quote from Mark Twain:

“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.”

Americano
Americano

If you want to remain free, you're going to want guys like Cliven standing next to you with a gun in their hand.  Ironically, they will want people who they previously put down or disliked manning a post as well. 

fir3walker
fir3walker

Before I speak, let me say I am a conservative. For instance, I believe forcing Sterling to sell his team for saying something stupid, outside of free market forces,  reeks of Orwellian Political Correctness. (liberals, please hold your hysteria until the adults have a chance to speak)


However, I do get Jim's point, which is the Republican\Conservative party, in it's current form, has for too long not only welcomed folks of Bundy's caliber but made that group part of its core under the false belief that without them, they're not going to win any elections.

The fact is that until the Conservative party wakes up and realizes that folks like Bundy are a throwback of by-gone era, we will never again take the White House.

There are many, many conservatives who are in the closet because they are Black, Hispanic, Asian,... even gay (gasp!!), because many of us find the Democratic party core principles, especially on the free market, very disturbing.  For Democrats, it seems "sensitivity" trumps all.


And I suspect that many in the Democratic Party secretly realize this, hence their M.O. to lampoon and label those same closet conservatives as "TRAITORS".

So it isn't that Jim is being bigoted himself when he points out the Republican Party's amorous relationship with the Bundys of America.


For me, he's simply pointing out that until they start openly rejecting people who speak like Bundy, they'll never be seen as anything other than a party that is home to racists.  Period.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

Incidentally, on ABC tonight, no mention of Bundy. Kinda supports my contention that Jim's barking up a dead tree (that has no local angle)

There was, however, some contention on Benghazi which was not friendly to Carney or the WH, and that runs counter to some commenters who believed it's a phony, and dead, scandal.

Oh well, maybe tomorrow, it will all be reversed.

parisrec
parisrec

Leave Byron out of this!

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

Jim, you are incorrigible, but I shore do like that pointy stick you got yourself, there.

I was wondering what it would take to draw bmarvel out of the woodwork.

tdkisok
tdkisok

This is great - - Ruddy is foaming at the mouth while his anti-Obama rants increase in numbers - - his keyboard is slimy.   LOL 

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@fir3walker

For instance, I believe forcing Sterling to sell his team for saying something stupid, outside of free market forces, reeks of Orwellian Political Correctness.

what? it was the "free market", in the form of the fellow members of the Association and their apppointed administrator, Silver, who determined Sterling had violated the terms of his agreement with the Association. They reacted to the real and potential harm to their organization Sterling's conduct wrought.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@fir3walker Illustrates once again that the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have become meaningless and useless for anything but invective. Conservative about what? Liberal in what sense? Most of us who stop to think about our values find ourselves conservative about some things,liberal in others.


Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@fir3walker  It's not the Liberals who are hysterical on this comment board.  Look at how much space has been used here by the embittered right-wing troglodytes, such as Ruddski, Phelps, and Holman.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@fir3walker

Thirty people show up to support Bundy, while scores of mainstream conservatives point out that he's in the wrong, and that's "welcoming" Bundy?

You're looking at it from the perspective of a publication like this and others, which is to ferret out the smallest instances of right-wing nuttiness and position it as "mainstream", while snuffing and ignoring goofy, silly lefty stuff like basing the biggest law to Come out of DC on blatant fraud, and open adoration and support of an administration by the "adversarial" press which, bit by bit, is starting to recognize they're being bullied, duped and played.

The worm will turn, the preference cascade is already occurring in regards to the president - it's getting more and more acceptable to question the honesty, tactics, capabilities and competency without worrying about the Scarlet R.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@fir3walker  

The only reason why America must suffer through the slings and arrows of the radical Left's phonied up race-baiting is because we ALL come out of the closet at the polls.

And these bitter dead-enders see it coming.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheRuddSki  Benghazi.  Have you forgotten that there were 13 attacks on American Embassies during the Bush administration, resulting in 100 deaths?  

Ben-Ghazi4Daze
Ben-Ghazi4Daze

@TheRuddSki Such a sad little man you are.  Such an imagination but not a ounce of intelligence.  How did that happen?  Dementia?  You should be sticking up for your bigoted bagger bud and his right to spew vile racist comments.  But you go back to Benghazi......BenFreakingGhazi!!  Why not the Nixon tapes or Ollie North?  WMD's?  You weakness shines through little sad pathetic man behind his keyboard so board and clueless.  Tell one of your 8 or 2 or 7 or 5 or however many kids you have today to check out some Viracept as the earlier you get on it the less a fool you will make. 

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

@TheCredibleHulk Not enough to draw out Bucky, though.  I haven't seen a single post from him since TheRuddSki put his real ID out there.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@tdkisok

This is great - inarguably the dumbest contributor here is contributing nothing to the conversation, as usual. Someone switch shifts with you down at the Waffle House?

fir3walker
fir3walker

@mavdog @fir3walker "Free Market Forces" as in the consumer ultimately decides the fate of any business... not some tribunal, board, association or any other non-consumer oriented mechanism.    But I only posted that to show my political leanings, not for discussion. 

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@mavdog  Notice their neglect in mentioning the impact that Sterling and his detestable racist beliefs and comments have in the NBA, where the players are 78% African-American.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@bmarvel  Sooo true.  Myrna is actually slightly left of center, politically, with a strong Liberal bent on social issues, but leaning toward cautious spending.  Myrna hates war and interference in the affairs of foreign nations; detests vulture capitalists and corporate welfare; welcomes diversity and immigration, but believes affirmative action is discriminatory and unfair.  I could go on, but the Unholy Triumvirate on this talk board are foaming at the mouth to denounce Myrna as a Communist Marxist al-Qaeda sympathizing traitor and a stupid, half-witted dingbat loony.  I always get a good chuckle from the these three silly old fools. 

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

It's called "debating", dear. Now you, like JackJett may lament the dilution of the ideological purity if this forum, but if you think that I or others of conservative bent should refrain from responding to blog posts and/or comments directed at us, then you don't understand the nature of conversation, much less political debate.

You just reinforce the perception that liberals prefer to stay in the bubble,

TooGoodToBTrue
TooGoodToBTrue

@TheRuddSki Allow to me respond for Fir3walker - Many of those "mainstream" conservatives are also attempting "re-interpret" what Bundy "actually" meant by that remark.  (Pull up Drudge for verification on this)


Look, we could go back and forth on the accuracy of whether or not "mainstream" conservatives actually embrace the Bundy population,
but so long as you have universally recognized conservative pundits who have no problem advocating ostracizing and lampooning some of the groups mentioned in the "closet conservative" camp, the racist/bigotted claim will always stick.


For example, look through the Rush Limbaugh archives and locate many of the "Barney Franks" skits the "Excellence In Broadcasting" team had no problem airing... then come back and tell me how unfair it is to characterize Republicans as bigots.
(fyi, I'm definitely not a Barney Franks fan)


When the Republicans publically denounce Limbaugh and his ilk, then the Democrats will panic.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki  

and like the Cheshire Cat, the press is still displaying its original grin but showing less and less of its original body.  

The only bunch guaranteed to stay on script to November are the Journolistas.  By then, Mr. Schutze and the dead-enders will look like the couples on the trailing end of a 1950s dance contest.

 

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Ben-Ghazi4Daze

Looks like another dishwasher.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@PlanoDave

Sanders Kaufmann has never really been anonymous. He'll be back, as soon as he finishes combing the archives to support his actionable claims. Unfortunately, that support simply does not exist, so he may be a while.

tdkisok
tdkisok

@TheRuddSki  


You spew your bullshit like McDonald's spews out McShit burgers. Quantity does not win arguments. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. Your contribution is this crap? My, I bet you are so proud. 


Alas, I love seeing you get all worked up like this. I wish Jim would post more of these types of things so that one day your head explodes and all that there is left is dried up bullshit you call a brain.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

You're an example of why men dominate university debate teams, politics and business.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@holmantx "They took the idols and smashed them... And who've we got now?"  Ruddski and Holman!

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

I would suggest to her that she write a nice, polite email to blog moderators asking to have me banned on the grounds that I complicate her life unnecessarily, and cause her to go on off-topic rampages because I'm such a (insert Hebrew insult here).

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki  

Notice her inner Norma Desmond vitriol leaps forth when threatened by lucidity.

looks painful.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheRuddSki  ...says the loser who lives nowhere near Texas, but who dominates the Dallas local paper's comment board whining about Obama and Liberals.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@Myrna

To note, once again, your propensity to avoid the gist, the topic in favor of the slur, the flame.

You are unable, as usual, to address a single point I make. Your responses range from "shut up" to "shut up"

You're a lightweight, stick to cat videos.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@TheRuddSki   We enjoy seeing you three whine and cry and display your bitterness.  In other words:


"When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance you don't really have to do anything — you just let them talk."

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@TheRuddSki

Why can't Barney Frank be lampooned? Why can't his weird speech patterns be integral to that lampooning? SNL lampoons all the time in this way, why aren't they chastised?

the fact that you fail to understand the difference between an acceptable level of discourse in a political debate and how people are characterized in a comedy show says all we need to know.

thanks for clearing that up.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

Palin is still out there, supporting people who tend to win. Candidates don't run from her like dem candidates run from Obama and his fraudulent signature policy.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@manpanties

Yeah, but let's not cite John Stewart.

Fact is, when repubs adhere to strategies that Rush suggests, they tend to win.

When they try to become liberal democrats, they lose.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@TheRuddSki  

"It's not like Rush suggested taking a shit in his mouth, or raping him, or called him a fag, cunt, bitch or nazi."

Speaking of Palin I sure do miss her.  

TooGoodToBTrue
TooGoodToBTrue

@TheRuddSki Ok, my bad.. didn't realize what I was talking to.


My apologies to anyone who interpreted my responses as any form of validation to this poster.

manpanties
manpanties

@TheRuddSki  when rush admits that he is to be taken no more seriously than a show that advertises itself as a comedy, like snl, you're analogy will start working.  

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@ToGoodToBeTrue

How can you lampoon Frank without acknowledging his queerness?

It's not like Rush suggested taking a shit in his mouth, or raping him, or called him a fag, cunt, bitch or nazi.

You're playing by their rules. Liberals are always eager to suggest to conservatives how to "win", what they "should do". Well, the Red Sox would love to likewise give sage advice to the Yankees.

TooGoodToBTrue
TooGoodToBTrue

@TheRuddSki you misunderstand - if it's lampooning his position, that's one thing... if it's lampooning the fact that he is a homosexual, then that's bigotry.


... unless you think that's, ok?

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@ToGoodToBeTrue

Bundy's full remarks, which were never aired, have validity - it's just the same resistance to the "welfare nation" mentality. He just, like another old Nevadan, uses language deemed inappropriate.

BTW, the NYC welfare system actually acts on the issues raised by Bundy and others, and is one of the most successful agencies of it's kind because of its policies which seem written by a conservative.

Of course, you'll not see that in lib media.

But once again, you're allowing mis characterization by the left to put you in a defensive position - this time concerning lampooning of Frank by Limbaugh.

Why can't Barney Frank be lampooned? Why can't his weird speech patterns be integral to that lampooning? SNL lampoons all the time in this way, why aren't they chastised?

you get hit, punch back twice as hard

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@holmantx

With this story/post, Jim is essentially the one "writing the script" for his small audience.

Just a small example of why people have lost trust in the press over the years, they are getting hip to "scripts".

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@TooGoodToBTrue

It means that when writers try to use the example if a small conflagration in Nevada supported by a handful of radicals and a smattering of media types who reject the racist element as soon as it's revealed, it's an sign of desperation. Especially when that wholesale mainstream rejection of the racist element is described as inauthentic.

Americans without a racist bone in their bodies are getting tired of being called racist simply for disagreeing with policies and procedures they see as fraudulent, over-reaching and ineffective, and the bitter dead-Enders holmantx refers to are running out of fuel.

That's why Jim Schutze had to revive a dead, small, non- local issue when even the big media outlets have moved on - he's an example of what holmantx is referring to.

Conservatives cannot make the mistake of letting Students of Ayers define them.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@dingo

OMG! The person responsible for communication made a memo about how the Administration was to communicate! The audacity of some employees. jeesh.

and then people like Rice actually go out and say what was in that memo.

what a scandal! the guy was guilty of doing his job. what could he be thinking? Off with his head.

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@dingo

The 5 o'clock Carney Circular Circus Follies.

But remember, only FOX talks about Benghazi, the big boys are all-Bundy all the time. Don't go off-script, you'll piss off the dishwashers.

Ben-Ghazi4Daze
Ben-Ghazi4Daze

@TheRuddSki A big difference between paying attention to and being laughed at like the tall boy on the shortbus.  Stop with the delusion that you garner respect here.  You are the hideous vermin that refused to leave.  People give up on you and move on to a blog less polluted by the little troll boy who must be nearing 80 who can't seem to keep his stories straight. 


You should keep some notes so you can at least recall how many children you have and what they do. 


But hey, don't let that discourage you.  As long as you remember to pull your finger out of your ass before you go do number two.   OTAY?  otay?   

TheRuddSki
TheRuddSki topcommenter

@tdkisok

There are plenty of people getting "worked up" on both sides of this topic that Schutze was "worked up" enough about to post on.

You, OTOH, seem kinda goofy and unfocused, and unable to add any meat to the BBQ, amigo. Just a font of anger that no-one seems to pay much attention to. But don't let that discourage you.

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