Frisco Just Banned E-Cigarettes in Public Places, But Why?

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Electronic cigarettes look like cigarettes. They supply nicotine like cigarettes. Users exhale a puffy cloud like cigarettes. So they must be cigarettes, right?

According to the Frisco City Council, yes. On Tuesday night, its members voted unanimously to ban the use of e-cigarettes wherever traditional cigarettes are banned -- i.e. in most public places.

"I gotta say, I'm just not compelled to view e-cigarettes any different than I do regular cigarettes," said Councilman Bob Allen. "I don't believe I can get to that point."

The vote makes Frisco the first city in North Texas to take that step and perhaps the second, after Lufkin, in the entire state, according to The Dallas Morning News. Flower Mound recently banned the use of e-cigs on town-owned property.

See also: North Texas Cities Are Stepping Up Regulation of E-Cigarette Stores

In the words of the ordinance, the City Council found that "the smoking of electronic cigarettes and/or e-cigarettes and liquid nicotine have been demonstrated to have a detrimental effect on others in close proximity to the smoker."

But, as several council members acknowledged during last night's meeting, that research on the subject is inconclusive.

In 2009, the Food and Drug Administration analyzed e-cigarettes from two leading brands and detected diethylene glycol, a chemical used to make antifreeze that is toxic to humans, and known carcinogens like nitrosamines, but the study was small and presence of the concentration of the chemicals was low.

And that's more of a concern to the person vaping than to people around them. A recent Drexel University study concluded that second-hand vapor is not a health concern. Same with a 2012 Clarkson University report.

Tim Nelson was the lone Frisco council member to voice opposition to the e-cigarette ban. He described the experience of sitting next to someone vaping as akin to sitting next to someone popping gum or dipping chew tobacco -- mildly irritating but harmless.

"Until there's something more conclusive I'll lean on the side of letting people do what they want to do," he said.

To his colleagues, however, the vague possibility that second-hand vapor might some day be found to be harmful was enough to justify a ban. Plus, vaping is annoying.

"This is always a delicate subject when you're discussing the rights of one versus the rights of many," said Councilman Jeff Cheney. "Yes there's the right of one to be able to smoke an e-cigarette but there's the rights of those other patrons to not sit next to it either and or my kids to not sit next to it."

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mk.wilks
mk.wilks

Second hand smoke doesn't cause cancer either. Call it what it is... it's a social issue. These little medical facts are lies. I don't like the vapor that comes from a loud sizzling plate of beef fajitas or bitter coffee. And I don't like being annoyed. So ban babies in public too. And loud laughers while you're at it. Can we ban those too? No? What about my rights though?

Silverstream
Silverstream

I guess since I can't use an ecig, I'll give up this quit smoking struggle and just go back to cigarettes. 

hfisher5676
hfisher5676

People are on such a anal retentive judgement high about the smallest things these days its depressing.  

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

Anyone who supports the unconstitutional ban on cigarette smoking on private property (i.e. restaurants), is a hypocrite if they are against this ban.  The danger of allowing the government, at any level, to curtail the individual rights of one segment of the population at the behest of another segment of the population (absent a criminal element) is well-known and has been for decades.

I'm not even getting into the second-hand smoke argument.  This is simply about one group of people telling another group of people what they can and cannot do.  Gun laws picked the lock, prohibition kicked the door wide open (even though THAT law had the reverse effect from its intention), and anti-smoking legislation has put a stopper under the door so it can't be closed again.  We've stopped looking at laws to see if there is an actual need for the law.  If enough people can be convinced they want the law, our elected officials will ram it through (without even reading it sometimes!) and damn the consequences.

Welcome to the tyranny of the majority (which the Bill of Rights is supposed to protect us against).  Enjoy your smoke-free dinner of servitude.

mtgescrowman
mtgescrowman

maybe the police are to stupid to distinguish between joint fogging & e-fogging in public 

pauldodell
pauldodell

Agreed Phakt ... there is no public health hazard. They simply are short-thinking Texans ... we've got a lot of 'em here.

Phakt
Phakt

There is no public health hazard. They are legislating based on personal feelings. Someone may be offended? It looks bad?  Why not ban low hanging pants or bad perfume? All aerosols? Car exhaust? Chemicals used in hair products?  This is a sad day where we legislate based on emotion and not facts.  Welcome to California. 
Oh and diethylene glycol is used in "NON TOXIC" antifreeze. Also used in MANY products and is considered safe for human consumption by the FDA.  Vote the bums out.

WhiteWhale
WhiteWhale

Why?  Because they can - Isn't micro management great

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

Those things look like some metal phallus hanging from your face.  

WhyDontYouJoinNAMBLA
WhyDontYouJoinNAMBLA

Wait till the cops figure out how many of these things are filled with hash oil. 


And I hope they zone these awful e-vape shops right out of existence. Worse clientele than a NW Hwy brothel. 

prestidigination
prestidigination

Without evidence that the use of vaporizers is harmful to anyone other than the user, this ban diminishes the liberties of people with no compelling reason. In other words, this is bad law.

choderus
choderus

Why don't they make crack-flavored e-cigs?

J_A_
J_A_

I've been using these pretty frequently but I'd never bust one out after dinner (especially in Frisco). If I was jonesin' that bad I'd take it to the restroom. They actually banned them indoors at my work so you gotta haul your ass outside to puff on your ecig. Or hide in the bathroom.

CogitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum

Can we get a flatulence ban next ... at least on international flights, for starters?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

My question is will they enforce the ban the way DART does with their smoking ban on train platforms?

becoolerifyoudid
becoolerifyoudid

Can we ban people playing videos on their phones that are audible from the other side of the restaurant?  Or better yet have common courtesy and manners? 


Just questions.  If we can't, I am prepared to have g.g. allin videos on my phone so that I can blare some of his hits during the family dinner time at the local feeding hole. 

brady.morris1
brady.morris1

Ban the e-cigs!  We do not want to enable things that may jeopardize the health of those in our city!  What's that?  You want to rip up all that land to put in tons of concrete?  Build more houses? Rip up some the great trees in the area and plant little ones in the yards of the sprawl? Bring in the the Dallas Cowboys?  Sure! Nothing bad can come from that!

mrsachmo
mrsachmo

"This is always a delicate subject when you're discussing the rights of one versus the rights of many,"

apparently not in your town, tom. talk about a slippery slop...you guys are looking like Joan Wilder and Jack Colton sliding down a hill already. Can't wait to see where this ends up.

cat.brown
cat.brown

So.. now we should ban something because it may set off someones allergies? I guess we should ban trees with pollen, peanuts and perfume since they may irritate someones allergies. UGH. Do you really want the government to have THAT much control over us?

maddskillz
maddskillz

my vagina hurts profusely when people vap near me. ban it. hell ban boil eggs as well that vapor of a whole pot of water is annoying to me as well.  

ruddski
ruddski

Been off the weed 15 months. Took up trolling, never looked back.

Tim.Covington
Tim.Covington

I can understand both sides of the argument. On one side is personal freedom to do what you want. On the other is people who can't or don't want to be exposed to this stuff.

As to it being harmless to others, this is not always the case. I've had my allergies set off by some people vaping. And, I had a friend who vapes explain to me why. The cheaper e-cigs have cheap filters. This means more of the volatiles in the fluid get released into the air. My friend made sure to buy a higher end e-cig and routinely replaces his filters. So, it doesn't set off my allergies.

ruddski
ruddski

@paulodell

Several states preceded this effort, several more are in the process. You can expect the bans to equal smoking bans eventually.

Why pick on Texas?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@WhyDontYouJoinNAMBLA

to be able to know what "clientele" is patronizing a "NW Hwy brothel" you must have been in there. Clearly you are a member of the club whose membership you are so critical....

ruddski
ruddski

"Smoking" is whatever The Man says it is, just like a tax is a fine and a fine is a tax or vice-versa, depending on who's asking.

ruddski
ruddski

Because crack isn't smoked for the flavor?

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@JaniceA  

I'm curious. Do you still smoke regular cigs or are you using the vape as a quitting strategy?

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@brady.morris1  It's not about health, it's about the sort of people who smoke.  This is a class thing.  It's as disingenuous as the way that the various bergs refused to join DART to try to keep black people away.

ruddski
ruddski

The real way to judge is how many pop up next to payday loan shops. Last time I was in Texas, they almost outnumbered convenience stores.

J_A_
J_A_

Hi Hulk! I quit 3 weeks ago but lately I've had REALLY bad cravings so I use the ecig when it's bad. I'm afraid I'll get dependent on these though so I try to use sparingly.

Tim.Covington
Tim.Covington

@ASDF1234 @Tim.Covington  
1. My friend actually took his e cig apart and showed me his filter.
2. Do a quick Google search and you will come across a long list of them.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@bvckvs "No, you dimwit...." says the one who just failed to comprehend not just the entire article, but also the comment he tried to slam.  Fantastic.

ruddski
ruddski

Does crack come in menthol?

J_A_
J_A_

Thanks for the motivational words Hulk. I need to visualize myself as a non-smoker (especially when people say once a smoker, always a smoker). It's the hardest when I'm having a drink. I know it will be worth it when I'm completely done with nicotine. And yes, the extra cash is a huge benefit.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@JaniceA  

Good on you, JA! Hang in there, it is well worth it.


Everybody has to quit their own way. In my experience, you've really got to SEE yourself as a non-smoker in your own head before you can let it go. A big part of the difficulty in quitting is that we can't, or I should say, don't imagine ourselves doing the things we always do (driving, having a coffee or beer, after dinner, morning break, lunch break, etc . . .) without a butt. I'm not usually into "woo-woo psych" stuff, but visualization is a powerful tool. Re-imagine yourself as a non-smoker.


One of the best things I discovered about quitting smoking was all of this CASH I suddenly had. I don't know how much it costs to vape for a day - but I know it isn't free . . .


Good luck!

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@JaniceA  

JaniceA, you really need to make a decision.  Either you are a smoker or you are a nonsmoker.  Take your pick and be that.  Besides, 7+ years out and sometimes I still go, Gee, a cigarette would be really good right now.

ruddski
ruddski

When's the last time you saw a pair that wasn't pickled in a jar on your nightstand?

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