Frisco Traffic Cops Are Not Happy with the Guy Who Held a Sign Warning of "Police Ahead"

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It looks like an innocent Chevy, but it's actually Officer Mrozinski's unmarked police car, waiting to give you a ticket if you speed.
The Frisco traffic officer was camped in an unmarked Chevy, trying to catch drivers going above the speed limit, when he noticed something suspicious. Some of the motorists could see him. They waved. He had a feeling that a man named Ron Martin might have had something to do with it. Also aiding his suspicions: Another officer had given him a heads-up via radio that he'd seen Martin out that day.

Martin is well known among the Frisco traffic cops. He has a history of "holding signs in the center median of traffic," as officer Thomas Mrozinski explained in a police report. His signs carry a simple message: "Police Ahead."

Mrozinski drove eastbound down Eldorado Parkway, Frisco's main artery. Sure enough there was Martin, standing in the median of the busy road. He hoisted a "Police Ahead" sign above his shoulder. "The sign appeared to be self-constructed with a yellow background and lettering in black attached to a wooden stick," Mrozinski writes in his police report.

Mrozinski parked his Chevy by the median and approached Martin. In a video that Martin captured of his arrest, the officer demands that Martin drop the sign, telling him it's a "violation of city ordinance." After Martin lets go, the officer puts him in handcuffs. Martin is due in court Wednesday, facing misdemeanor charges.

Martin is a Frisco homeowner with a family. He paints signs for a living. He says he just wants to help make the roads safer, and he argues that his homemade signs are more effective at doing that than speed traps.

What bothered him on the day of his arrest, he claims, is he saw a motorcycle officer hiding in a dangerous spot, facing oncoming traffic in the entrance of Frisco's Warren Sports Complex. "If anyone made a right turn there, they would have had to swerve and hit the median or hit the officer himself," Martin tells Unfair Park. A police spokesman declined to speak about Martin's case.

The arrest report makes clear that the Frisco police are not fans of Martin's approach to traffic enforcement. Mrozinski reports having "knowledge" that Martin once spent several hours standing in a median holding a "Police Ahead" sign on a different day, "trying to interfere with their enforcement duties."

But Martin may have the right to mess with the city's speed traps. Most states, Texas included, don't have laws that specifically prohibit people from giving other motorists the heads-up that a cop with a radar gun is hiding behind the bushes. When police try to prosecute those cases, they often just find another excuse to cite the offender. In July 2012, for instance, a woman in Houston held a sign that more blatantly just said "Speed Trap!" Police reportedly told her she was being arrested for obstructing justice and kept her in jail for 12 hours. After getting out, she found she still faced criminal charges, but not the original charge of obstructing justice. Instead, it was a lesser "walking in the roadway where there is a sidewalk present" that earned her a misdemeanor.

In 2011, a lawsuit filed in Florida challenged thousands of tickets that drivers received for flashing their headlights at oncoming cars, a more practical and common speed-trap warning. A Florida judge sided with drivers, ruling that whatever you do with your headlights is a constitutional right, even if it does threaten a traffic cop's ticket quota.

In Martin's case, the officers charged him with violating Frisco's human sign ordinance, a Class C misdemeanor. The police report doesn't explain how he violated that specific law, and it doesn't seem to apply in this case. Frisco's city code defines human signs as humans who are in costume or otherwise holding or wearing signs for advertising purposes. And though he is a professional sign painter, Martin maintains that he wasn't advertising anything that day in the Eldorado median, just protesting.

The sign is city property now, marked as "evidence." Martin says that he just painted over an existing real estate sign to make it. So if the city is really determined to go forward and prosecute the case tomorrow, they will probably be able to find an advertisement somewhere in there if they look hard enough.


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jim.likelakeum
jim.likelakeum

I've got a message for Officer DOUCHE BAG Mrozinski. I already carry a man with a sign that warns me about loser cops with nothing to do... It's called a radar detector. So I'm pretty much going to speed WHENEVER I WANT and there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO to stop me!!!! HAHAHA!!! SUCK IT FRISCO POLICE.

baileypaulc
baileypaulc

How can we stop police abuse in Frisco, Texas

jimmycrackcapricorns
jimmycrackcapricorns

Pigs need mo money, judges need mo money, lawyers need mo money, prisons need mo money.


Tickets = money

DUI = money


Issue mo citations to gets mo money - they take yo money - you do nothing to stop it

raystar
raystar

they did not arrest  Ga  Governor  Lester Maddox  for putting up  Bill Board Signs  North  and South  on US 301  of  a  small town in Ga.  Warning   Speed  Trap  Ahead

also  some States  has  a  band, on  the use  of  Light  Cams,     owed and run by Private Companies.   and    Pay  the  City   for--  for  Rent ( the Light  Pole..)

hopkins28
hopkins28

The street beggars holding a sign are not on private property,

why haven't they all been arrested.

barry_98
barry_98

It's the fact he was in the roadway, and not on private property. Frisco's sign ordinance requires human signs to be on private property. It's a safety issue when someone is in the median holding a sign.

mimosatribe
mimosatribe

LegaleseSpeaking TRAFFIC/TRANSPORTATION is always a COMMERCIAL activity. The definitions of these terms are clearly defined as such in any law dictionary and the TRANSPORTATION CODE  itself.... albeit, these are LEGAL terms that have different definitions than the what are commonly understood by your average joe.   A drivers license is a contract and the TRANSPORTATION CODE is a list of the TERMS and CONDITIONS of said contract.  Does anyone ever read the CODE before entering into such an agreement? I think not.  


I think everyone who is not being paid to steer the wheel of an automobile should send their license back to it owner/issuer, rescind their signature and revoke the unlawful contract for lack of full consideration and disclosure.

mimosatribe
mimosatribe

TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE TITLE 6 ROADWAYS


Sec. 201.904. SPEED SIGNS. The department shall erect and maintain on the highways and roads of this state appropriate signs that show the maximum lawful speed for COMMECIAL motor vehicles, truck tractors, truck trailers, truck semitrailers, and motor vehicles engaged in the BUSINESS of transporting passengers for COMPENSATION or HIRE (buses).
Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
Now, I don't know who else to put this to the general public or the folks at Dallas Observer but SPEED LIMIT signs only apply to DRIVERS who are "engaged in the BUSINESS of TRANSPORTING passengers for COMPENSATION or HIRE" 
Transportation is a COMMERCIAL activity that CORPORATIONS must be LICENSED to conduct along the Common right of way.   CORPORATIONS apply for the PRIVILEGE (permit/license) of doing BUSINESS.  
Travelers not engaged in COMMERCE aka TRAFFIC are doing so because they have a RIGHT to do so. 
Know rights or no rights.

shawn4848
shawn4848

GET OVER IT FRISCO or stop handing out so many tickets.....from what ive heard giggles....word of the day....Holelick....

DeathBreath
DeathBreath

Yes, there is a difference between police officers and pigs.  In this country, we have the protection of free speech.  In this case, the sign in question likely reduced the speed of drivers, no doubt.  However, in this day & age, municipal monies are often gathered through catching speeding motorists.  Recently, the city of Stringtown, Oklahoma cleaned house.  Many of you may know of this "speed trap" if you've traveled on Highway 69 in Oklahoma.  Again, this man is actively reducing the speed limit.  However, the pigs are getting hungry for funds.  When citizens want to opt out of paying taxes, creative minds start to connive.  I would certainly find another way to express this message where the icon would symbolize the warning & they could not prove the operative was alerting drivers.  Hell, he could even paint his vehicle a certain color & create a Facebook page about it.  

mcdallas
mcdallas

4.5 mill goes missing from Dallas for a land deal = 10 comments.


someone gets arrested for a sign = 86 comments.

txgrl1978
txgrl1978

Why has not anyone commented on the Facebook screenshot which documents a direct quote by Frisco PD Officer Thomas Mrozinski Jr, "My new work ride! Watch out Frisco!"

Any wise and prudent defense attorney in Collin and Denton County that represents people for traffic violations should keep this screenshot in their pocket and produce it in a municipal court trial.  A traffic court jury in Frisco would be composed of citizens of Frisco, and showing this to them obviously shows Officer Mrozinski's lack of impartiality and infers that he is out to get them.

Mrozinski's naivete in having an open Facebook account where an inquisitive Dallas Observer reporter can view it will probably help him out in his responding quote "Tarif, yes still in traffic which is where probably retire there".

I doubt Mrozinski will be in traffic much longer because his credibility is gone when it comes to tickets.

doctorwu
doctorwu

Remember, when seconds count, the police are minutes away

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Free Speech, Bitches !!

mp81
mp81

Officer Mrozinski is a d-bag of the highest order. I had a run in with this jerk a couple years ago. He likes to follow commercial vehicles around making deliveries to places with inadequate parking for large vehicles and then writes the driver a parking ticket for parking in the fire lane. This guy is the reason people hate police officers. 

OpinionatedFemale
OpinionatedFemale

This is such BS and another reason why I really cant stand cops on power trips! For starters I really don't understand why speed traps dot fall under entrapment, yeah yeah I know they gotta make you break they law to be considered entrapment blah blah blah but its still total BS! If you blow by a cop while you are both driving down the same highway then fine fool you got busted but for some a$$hole to hide and wait, well that just speaks volumes to wht a prick you really are ...Barney! Secondly this "city ordnance" is a joke, I seriously doubt that they throw little girls in jail for holding up signs for a car wash to raise money for cheer camp, or kids raising money for church camp, or the firefighters when they do fill the boot, or whoever else holding up a sign that doesn't offend their tiny lil manhood's! And lastly what the hell was so bad about what this guy was doing anyways? I actually think it is pretty funny and good Samaritan~ish of the guy, after all isn't the whole point to get people to slow down? Ok problem solved people seen his sign and they slowed down, the only difference is that the single mom on her way to her second job or the dad who has been laid off for six months on his way to drop his kids off at school didn't have to shell out $250 they couldn't afford. The drivers were reminded to slow down and they did so if this isn't all about power trips and the almighty dollar then what the hell is the problem here people!?! SMH Welcom to America folks please check your rights at the door!

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

Why not post "Police Ahead" signs all over town? I'm betting Frisco would have less speeding and fewer accidents than if they hid radar police behind every tree and fence. 

alteredjustice
alteredjustice

tl;dr: pigs are pissed off because a law-abiding citizen ruined their chance to meet their quota


If some guy wants to take the time out of his day to warn motorists so they don't get tickets, that should be his business. Fuck tha police.

find_tea
find_tea

I have over 23 years in full-time local and federal law enforcement.  As a Texas Peace Officer, I wrote thousands regulatory and hazardous citations over those years in patrol, and not once did I ever do it for the purpose of generating revenue for my employer.  It was done for the sole reason to stop illegal and/or dangerous activity.


Unfortunately, impeding revenue generation can be the only reason that Mr. Ron Martin was arrested recently, because his actions were causing motorists to check and reduce their speed, thereby causing safe driving behavior and less tickets to be written.  However, Frisco Police Officer T. Mrozinski chose to arrest Mr. Martin for an obscure and vague city ordinance that may not apply if challenged on free speech grounds.  I have read chapter 70 of Frisco’s Code of Ordinances, and the only possible violation is that he stood in the center median, whereas the city ordinance states that it must be on private property and not in a residential area.


One more reason that it appears that Frisco is only interested in traffic revenue generation is the type of vehicle used by Officer Mrozinski.  This vehicle is unmarked and has no deterrence capability.  A parked and un-manned patrol vehicle along the side of the road would slow down motorists and create a safer environment than the covert SUV used by Frisco.  I would question its use as an Authorized Emergency Vehicle due to the lack of police markings.  This vehicle should not ever be used in a vehicle pursuit due to officer safety, not to mention the safety of the public, because they may not be able to see it.  More importantly, there have been several recent incidents of people posing as police officers in unmarked vehicles and attempting to pull over motorists.  An alleged violator has a perfect defense for not pulling over if this vehicle attempted to stop them.


The State of Texas enacted laws when Red Light Cameras were starting to be utilized by municipalities, stating that signs had to be posted at least 100 feet away from the intersection in order to warn motorists (Chapter 707.003 of the Texas Transportation Code).  The City of Frisco has at least 4 Red Light Cameras, and it would seem based on Mr. Martin’s arrest that this section in the Texas Transportation Code was added expressly to protect the motorists of that city.


Finally, I was notified by the shameful practices of the Frisco Police Department by two law enforcement only websites who linked to this article.  The US section of the International Police Association website and the Policeone.com website both covered this incident.  I have to mention that every single comment posted by police officers throughout the country were negative as to the actions by Frisco.


Public safety resources should be used for public safety, not for revenue generation or to stifle the free speech of individuals performing a better public safety service than the enforcers themselves.

redman38
redman38

@barry_98 When you are on duty, do you arrest every jaywalker you see?

I don't think so, because the jaywalkers are not taking money from your employer which is Frisco.

cawnlu
cawnlu

Try reading the rest of the Transportation Code before you give out bad legal advice to others. Start at TRC 545.351 and keep reading. It's all there.

cawnlu
cawnlu

This statute refers to the huge signs that you see at the Texas State Lines. You know, the ones that have the list of speed limits that apply to certain commercial vehicles. The statute does not say that those are the only signs or speed limits enforced by the State. This statute only says that the State of Texas will post those signs. Don't read one paragraph of a 1,000 page document and then throw away the rest. There are other rather important parts to the Transportation Code.

matt8950
matt8950

Simple human psychology... people will always go for the more unique item.

tdkisok
tdkisok

@mcdallas 


I can see you went to a TAG school. Your math skills kick ass.

roo_ster
roo_ster

@bmarvelIndeed.  Perhaps hire some temps to wave such signs around the most dangerous intersections to get folk to slow down and be less likely to t-bone each other.

deepfriedbeer16
deepfriedbeer16

@alteredjustice Statements like "Fuck tha police" and calling them "pigs" doesn't give you a lot of credibility.  Granted this outrageous but you obviously have issues.

UnflinchinglyRigid
UnflinchinglyRigid

"Vote the police chief out". Lol. Your intelligence is astounding. Vote out an appointed official. You'd think before you spout off you'd figure out what you were talking about.

mimosatribe
mimosatribe

@find_tea  If you wouldn't mind, please explain your understanding or how you comprehend this.


TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE TITLE 6 ROADWAYS
Sec. 201.904. SPEED SIGNS. The department shall erect and maintain on the highways and roads of this state appropriate signs that show the maximum lawful speed for COMMECIAL motor vehicles, truck tractors, truck trailers, truck semitrailers, and motor vehicles engaged in the BUSINESS of transporting passengers for COMPENSATION or HIRE (buses).
Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
Now, I don't know who else to put this to the general public or the folks at Dallas Observer but SPEED LIMIT signs only apply to DRIVERS who are "engaged in the BUSINESS of TRANSPORTING passengers for COMPENSATION or HIRE" 
Transportation is a COMMERCIAL activity that CORPORATIONS must be LICENSED to conduct along the Common right of way.   CORPORATIONS apply for the PRIVILEGE (permit/license) of doing BUSINESS.  
Travelers not engaged in COMMERCE aka TRAFFIC are doing so because they have a RIGHT to do so. 
Know rights or no rights.


There exists a mountain of case law which clearly states that Traveling is a RIGHT not a licensed or regulatory activity...  no rule making can be legislated which would infringe or otherwise abrogate such INHERENT rights.  Any alleged law that does in null and void ab initio.


The way I see it is that the Frisco police officer arbitrarily conjured up a reason to KIDNAP the man with the sign.  So here we have Aggravated Kidnapping, Depravation of Rights, Aggravated Assault, Human Trafficking, Breach of the Peace, Breach of Oath of Office, Malfeasance, Official misconduct, Fraud, Extortion... shall I go on?                                                                   

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@find_tea  " It was done for the sole reason to stop illegal and/or dangerous activity."


Damn you cops are deluded, believing your own bullshit.


You wrote tickets AFTER the fact, you did NOT prevent or stop the activity from happening, your ex-post-facto tickets did NOTHING BUT generate revenue.


Cops "prevent" crime like Garbage men prevent trash.


Pull your head out of your ass.


ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@find_tea  

Nice post; however, thanks for quoting the party line:

"...  and not once did I ever do it for the purpose of generating revenue for my employer. ..."


No officer and no chief of police in any Texas municipality will ever state that they are writing tickets solely for the purpose of generating municipal income.


Because it is so easy to disguise the fact that traffic citations are being written for the purpose of generating municipal income, the State of Texas has a law which automatically describes a town as being a "speed trap" when ticket citation revenues exceed a preset percentage of a municipalities revenue.


When you state that " ... wrote thousands regulatory and hazardous citations over those years in patrol ...", am I correct in deducing that you worked for TXDPS doing commercial truck inspections?  If I am correct, thank you for doing that.


You also said: "However, Frisco Police Officer T. Mrozinski chose to arrest Mr. Martin for an obscure and vague city ordinance that may not apply if challenged on free speech grounds."  As others have said, Martin was arrested for "contempt of cop".  The fact is any police officer can place you under arrest for whatever they want to.  You will be taken "downtown", booked, placed into jail and then arraigned.  You have to prove that you are not guilty of the charge.  And if your charges are dismissed, the arresting officer will probably never face anything harsher than a dirty look from his superior, and even then it is doubtful.


I used to respect cops.  They have a pretty shi##y job, but I no longer have much respect for them and this instance in Frisco is the reason why.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

@find_teaNot just Frisco using these suvs. I saw one the other day in South Ft Worth/Crowley/Shitfuckistan. Gawd I hate my job...

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@find_tea  do you write tickets for burned out tail lights and licence plate lights, or no front license plates?  

mimosatribe
mimosatribe

@cawnlu i don't give "legal advice" because i'm not permitted to do so... However, i do know about the rule, letter, intent, and spirit of Law.   Rights (de jure) cannot be CODIFIED or REGULATED only privileges can. I'm also not a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE (SSN) or a FRANCHISE of the FEDERAL CORPORATION known as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INC.(de facto) or any of it's ultra vires sub-corporations called STATE.  I travel as a matter of Right.... 

Tell me this, is traveling a lawful right or activity? Nobody needs permission do engage in lawful activities. Only slaves beg for permission.  I'm not a party to any contract whereby any of my inherent, non-negotiable, unalienable, irrevocable, birthrights are waived.  All rights reserved, proclaimed, stated, re-stated forever.   What is amazing is how many of you are so willing to submit to and defend the control mechanisms which enslave you.  You act like an incompetent peon and you will continue to be treated as such.  There cannot be a lawful or binding contract when threat, duress, coercion, and intimidation is employed to compel someone to agree/contract.  That is known as FRAUD. In this case CONSTRUCTIVE FRAUD.  Nobody should be compelled to know or learn 1000's of pages of legal code or specialized legal terminology in order to be free to exercise a fundamental RIGHT.   This is America I am an American national, if you want to be a corporate slave, go somewhere else and do it.  It's because of lazy incompetent people like you that these pirates have been looting the nation decade after decade after decade. WAKE UP!!!  and remember, the best kind of slaves are the ones who don't know they are slaves. And if you beLIEve this MAKE BELIEVE fictitious non sense is legitimate or authentic, then your mind is in a cage......  oh yeah.... your cage may be made of gold and precious stones..... but a cage is a cage and it cannot contain the truth or freedom.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@cawnlu id love to see him hand that to cop during a stop or present it in court.  Im sure the judge would get a good laugh

ItsMeMario
ItsMeMario

@bvckvs  This isn't correct in Frisco. They Judge will release you on work release after 24 hrs. This allows them to arrest multiple times on one offense. He will set you up with a payment plan and will really try to get you out within 12 hrs to not give you credit for time served. I got arrest 7 times on 1 driving with invalid license (It was ruled as Class C). After the 7th time I set up a court date and saw a different Judge in Frisco. He started laughing at how much was written on my file. The Judge looked at me and said how much money do you have in your pocket. I told him $35. He said, give the court $15 and we will call your ticket paid for... I agreed.


So NO!!! You don't have the right to sit out tickets. They can release anyone they want on a payment plan. If you don't pay they arrest again. and release you again. Each time adding addition charges on. Increasing the fees you owe Frisc. (Makes since to do that way because they get more money).

DeathBreath
DeathBreath

@bvckvsReally?  I honestly did not know this.  "Hey Marcia (wife), did you know that you can opt to sit in a jail cell instead of paying a fine for a speeding ticket?"  Sorry, but we both live in a bubble & are incapable of synthesizing new information from outside sources,but we will sure give it a go.  Yes, I have 23 years inside of TDCJ-ID and this is news to me.  You might want to write a book about it. 

alteredjustice
alteredjustice

@deepfriedbeer16 @alteredjustice Thanks, Dr. Freud. My issues are as deep-seated as law enforcement's inability to do their job. It's "serve and protect," not "ticket and harass."


I could give a shit about whether or not a random basement dweller online thinks I'm "credible," whatever the fuck that means or has to do with anything. You should worry less about people online calling poor, oppressed cops by mean names and worry more about the pork-infused people trying to infringe on your rights.

CaneHorn
CaneHorn

@deepfriedbeer16@DownWithSpeedTrapsMy bad, I believe you are correct, I think chiefs are hired and sheriffs are elected.  Not sure if by commissioners or mayor or what.  Google didn't answer clearly.  Guess that means maybe there are ways to have this heard other than waiting for an election!  Maybe email campaign to mayor?  mmaso@friscotexas.gov

I do know that this goes beyond the officer that arrested Mr Martin.  It is suddenly pervasive in the last year.  Both motorcycle and SUV cops hiding and writing tickets one after the other for 5mph over the limit infractions that pose no safety threats.

cawnlu
cawnlu

You're way off. Go to Texas Transportation Code 545.351 (Maximum Speed Requirement). Continue reading through 545.365. It's very clear how the State, and municipalities, have the authority to regulate and set speed limits. It's all in there.

cawnlu
cawnlu

Ever hear of the word "deterrence?" The reason that traffic stops, not necessarily citations, change driving behavior is because hundreds of other drivers see the police car and the car they have pulled over. Like it or not, seeing that makes others slow down and pay attention. There are two types of deterrence; general and specific. The guy with the ticket receives the specific deterrence, everyone who sees it receives general. It's human behavior and criminology 101. The #1 way to be killed in DFW is through traffic crashes. That is the number 1 public hazard. I have no problem with my local police targeting the behavior that kills more people than anything else.

There is an easy fix for all of this: drive like you have a brain.

ruddski
ruddski

"Cops "prevent" crime like Garbage men prevent trash."

Without garbage collection, cities would be neck-deep in trash in a week. That's how garbage men prevent trash.

As for authorities preventing stuff, that's why they monitor our every move when possible. You get what you ask for.

cawnlu
cawnlu

Wow, I guess there is no way to have a rational conversation with someone who equates a driver license with slavery. You live a truly miserable and paranoid existence if you really worry that much about a driver license.

And by the way, you are free to travel all you want.....on foot. When you drive a car, on a public roadway, with thousands of other potential "victims" of the car you are driving....you are no longer allowed to "travel" without certain requirements and obligations. Sorry you disagree, but I drive those roads, and I should be protected from folks who think that no laws/rules apply to them. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.

mimosatribe
mimosatribe

@ScottsMerkin @cawnlu   trust me, they don't want me in their courts. if anything i say ever goes on the official public record it would unravel and expose their entire FRAUDULENT system of transacting securities.  Been there done that... They cleared the entire courtroom before letting me speak because they didn't want anyone else to hear the truth.  


And as a matter of fact, the judge did not get a good laugh Scott, his face turned red and he didn't know what to do..... abandon ship!!! 


If the general population had any idea what was really going on in these so called courts it would absolutely boggle their minds..... It's so odious and insidious and people don't have a clue in the world.  


Keep worshipping your false idols (STATE) and serving your earthly masters/handlers. They have your NAME and NUMBER (MARK/CURSE)  See where that gets you. And don't say that you didn't have fair warning.

cawnlu
cawnlu

So the threat of tickets do not deter speeding? Do you really want to stick with that? Fines, higher insurance, etc.....doesn't deter anyone. Talk about clueless.

Just think about towns, or parts of towns, that are known for high traffic enforcement. Does that fact cross your mind when you are driving through there? It absolutely has a deterrent effect. Maybe it doesn't deter you, for some unknown reason related to being a bit of a "slow learner," but it deters the majority of us. Unfortunately you are way off on that.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@cawnlu  "Ever hear of the word "deterrence?" The reason that traffic stops, not necessarily citations, change driving behavior is because hundreds of other drivers see the police car and the car they have pulled over."


Damn you are clueless to reality. 


Those other drivers are only "deterred" for the minute or two it takes to get past the cop car, then they speed back up.


The tickets themselves "deter" nothing, they are PURELY revenue generation.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@ruddski ... you ain't the sharpest tack in the box, are you boy?


Garbage collection doesn't prevent garbage, it merely collects it AFTER THE FACT, just as cops do not prevent crime, in fact they only show up AFTER a crime has already been committed.


Ipso facto.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

I see your idiot hat was on yesterday

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