D/FW International Airport Is Second in the Country for Confiscating Loaded Guns

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The only thing surprising about the fact that TSA agents confiscate a ton of loaded weapons from passengers attempting to board aircraft at D/FW International Airport is that Atlanta apparently confiscates more of them. Houston comes in third, nationally, behind us.

So says the Medill National Security Journalism Initiative, which compiled TSA data and created a ranking that tells us that some folks around here really do think they can carry anywhere, even at 30,000 feet. And most of them don't even bother emptying the chamber or ejecting the loaded clip.

They confiscated 110 guns in Atlanta, and another 98 at D/FW. The number of guns, mostly 9 mm and .380s, recovered during security screenings has risen three years in a row now. You can fly with a gun, of course, but it has to be in checked baggage and stored properly -- not on your person and loaded. Some 84 percent were loaded, and a cursory glance over this spreadsheet reveals that many of them had rounds chambered, ready to fire.

The data doesn't get any more finely granulated than that. Who knows how many people actually didn't realize you can't fly with a firearm, and how many simply forgot they were packing. Ted Nugent's wife, Shemane Ann, was arrested in August for stowing one in her carry-on. Her lawyer said it was an honest mistake.

Tough to say what to make of these numbers. Gun ownership has been declining steadily since the 1970s, according to the nonpartisan National Opinion Research Center. Yet on the extreme end of that spectrum, brandishing weapons in public like open-carry radicals with their long arms has become something of a personal statement. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia calls it "afrighting."

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roo_ster
roo_ster

Meh, just let folk pack them on as carry ons like they did a few decades back and let the TSA auto-fellate in the back parking lot.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

Would like to recommend "The Visual Display of Quantitative Information" by Edward Tufte to liven up the numeric's in Meaningless List articles.

ColonelAngus
ColonelAngus

The statistics reflect only those weapons that were found.  What multiple of these numbers went through undetected?

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

Just one item to point out, other than the DO staff needs to take a course in descriptive statistics, is the rate per emplanement.


ATL    2.4 guns per 1,000,000 passengers (1)

DFW  3.5 guns per 1,000,000 passengers

IAH   4.7 guns per 1,000,000 passengers


In other words, you are more likely to be struck by lightning (you personally in any given year is about 2 in 1,000,000 (2) ) than someone who will be caught with a gun by TSA at the security checkpoint.  Both are actually very rare events.


It would be more useful to state how many handgun owners or CHL holders (two separate populations) are caught with guns at the TSA checkpoint.


1) Emplanement statistics for CY 2012: http://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/


2) Lightning statistics: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/lightning/lightning_faq.htm

bvckvs
bvckvs topcommenter

The GOOD NEWS is that our current DA, unlike the past ones, is very good about getting felony convictions against these right wing psychos - so aside from the legal problems, they also lose their right to carry and their right to vote, as well as a ton of cash.


holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

DFW is the second busiest airport in the nation.  Hartsfield (ATL) is the busiest.

Normally, you and the DMN would slip that in on the tail of your slant but apparently you are slipping.

Work on it.

roo_ster
roo_ster

@SotiredofitallMy employer paid for me to attend one of his seminars.  Worth the time.


Oh, and yes, most DO scribblers are innumerate.

roo_ster
roo_ster

@bvckvsWell, I'll take it as given that you would gleefully sick gov't agents with guns on political opponents.  Sort of like a vicarious Che Guevara or pale Hugo Chavez.

Don't expect any quarter if your political opponents get hold of the reins of power and choose to use gov't agents with guns to round up your sorry self.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

@bvckvs We can always rely on your standard comment.  Just disappointed you didn't also work in religion 

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@bvckvs so you are assuming that each gun belonged to a right wing psycho?  Man you are becoming a laughing stock.  Were they ignorant, fuck yeah, but pyscho probably not.  And I bet at least of few of them were not from the right.  

dsmithy3211
dsmithy3211

@holmantx Correct (or almost so), but how many of those passengers are merely connecting in DFW or ATL, as opposed to originating in DFW or ATL (so as to require going through security).  DFW and ATL are not exactly Las Vegas McCarran or some such.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@holmantx

no, DFW is 4th by passenger boardings, 2012:

Atlanta

O'Hare

LAX

DFW

bvckvs
bvckvs topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin@bvckvs
No, I'm not assuming that at all - and never said otherwise.
But this isn't about me - it's about right-wing psychos who get caught trying to smuggle weapons onboard airplanes.


holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@mavdog @holmantx 

Get a life.


2,3, and 4 are 15% of each other and the positions change.  Hartsfield has 63 percent more boardings and besides, 100 guns out of 28 MILLION boardings is a non-story.

and you know it.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@holmantx @ColonelAngus @ScottsMerkin I guess my joke radar was turned off.  TO be truthful, I wouldnt trust most of those TSA agents with a pellet gun.  Some of the most attitudnal shit brains I have met.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@ColonelAngus @ScottsMerkin @holmantx 

It's so bad that we can drop the F-bomb and make reference to a poster's sister, but not even on THIS board can you pop a joke about guns and security at the airports.

There was a time it was the Left who would have been the first to object to such a draconian diminution in liberties.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin 

I don't doubt for a moment that the planes were hijacked.

I just don't buy the boxcutter story.  Unless of course it was one he!! of a boxcutter ...

Then again, Security at DFW was rather blase about what I showed them what was being passed out for knives at restaurant in the secure area prior to 9/11.  Those knives made box cutters look like butter knives.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul @ScottsMerkin @holmantx That's ok, TPFKaP, Its not something you want to believe happened.  I'd hate if it happened to my wife, but those that take yearly training at the flight attendant training academy know the truth, and see the reports and take lessons on how to defend themselves from future attacks of that kind.  There is far more that went on in those planes than any of us common folk know, my wife isnt even allowed to talk about that stuff from training they see and study

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@CogitoErgoSum @holmantx @ScottsMerkin

In the need to develop a capacity to know what potential enemies are doing, the United States government has perfected a technological capability that enables us to monitor the messages that go through the air. Now, that is necessary and important to the United States as we look abroad at enemies or potential enemies. We must know, at the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left such is the capability to monitor everything—telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide.
If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. 

Such is the capability of this technology.
I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.

 August 17, 1975 Senator Frank Church stated on NBC's "Meet the Press". He was chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations from 1979 to 1981.

Homeland Security is a far greater threat to the country, of which the TSA is a part.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@holmantx

"Get a life"??

I correct your obvious error (just be a grown up and say you made a mistake) and all you can do is dance around the facts (no, the "positions" haven't "changed", they were 1-4 in 2011 also), then say that "100 guns" is a "non-story"?

it IS a story, on 2 fronts:

one, there are this many idiots who not only are ignorant enough to try and carry a gun on a plane, but there are so many who brought a loaded gun with a bullet in the chamber into an airport. myself, I'm not surprised the top 3 airports for this act are where so many Bubba's live.

two, the detection of the guns is a positive on the security established at the airports, not too often that I will give a positive comment about the airport checkpoints but in this case I gotta say job well done.

CogitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum topcommenter

@holmantx @ScottsMerkin I love it -- it's OK if hijackers take out a few planes, just as long as we don't have to stand in line and get the occasional frisking by a screener! What a simply asinine thing to say.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@holmantx nah, but you can go fuck yourself.  Im gald you think you know whats right for everyone else on every blog post here

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@holmantx you realize it was illegal to carry a firearm on a plane long before TSA and 9/11.  Box cutters were not a big story either, until the necks of flight attendants were sliced open 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin @holmantx 


Cause Enough!


to have the NSA way up America's ass.  After all minorities and children are most at risk.  

Good grief. 

Tax money is finite.  Is it a prudent expenditure to keep the TSA in suburbans and the torment such an internal security apparatus exerts upon the citizen's freedom if we lose a few planes to hijackers? (Horrors, I committed heresy!).  

Most hijackings were in the 1970s.

Think about what we've created and how quick it can turn on us.  Was it worth it?

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@holmantx how is it a non story?  It takes one lunatic out of 28 million to get a gun through and go nuts.  so the fact that about 2 guns a week are found trying to clear security at DFW is a story

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