Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert Says Obama Should Be Impeached if the Government Defaults

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Senator Ted Cruz may be the pied piper of the government shutdown, but it's the House Republicans following behind him like some sort of maniacal conga line who have actually thrown the wrenches in the gears. And none of them is congaing quite as maniacally as Tyler Congressman Louie Gohmert.

Gohmert has long been a favorite of the crazy wing of the Republican party, so much so that they attempted to draft him to challenge John Cornyn for his Senate seat, but his leading role in the defund-Obamacare fight has turned his torrid love affair with the Tea Party into a hardcore porn flick.

And so in recent days you have Gohmert leading a pack of veterans through the barricades of the shut-down World War II Memorial, calling John McCain an Al Qaeda supporter, and comparing Obama to Al Capone.

See also: The Tea Party Wants Louie Gohmert to Take John Cornyn's Seat in the Senate

So far, Gohmert's strategy of convincing people that Obama is responsible for the government shutdown by saying wacky stuff has failed. He's betting that's just because he hasn't had enough leverage.

Enter the debt ceiling, which the government will reach in three days if Congress doesn't act. Failing to increase the federal government's borrowing limit, which would allow it to continue paying its debts, would plunge the country into economic chaos and could precipitate global recession. Gohmert is already busy laying this all at Obama's feet.

"There is no reason we should ever, ever default on our debts unless the president and the treasury secretary conspire to make us default," he said last week.

On Friday, he upped the ante, telling the Values Voters Summit without apparent shame that allowing the country to default would be "an impeachable offense by the president."

That trillion-dollar coin is starting to seem like sound strategy after all.

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mrbirds
mrbirds

I just wonder where people think currency comes from. It's a piece of paper. Rugged, hard to duplicate, but there is only the full faith of the US Govt. behind it. No metal, rockets, real estate, nada. Full faith, that's it. So, since the Fed, (A BANK) can only issue the paper bills, and the US Treasury, can only issue the coins; why not a dinner table sized coin worth a trillion dollars? Say a press run of 30. How about hand crafted for even more value. How about signature coins by famous artists? If X amt of people are born each day, and X amt have money in trusts, and X amt in the stock mkt., and X amt in Luxemburg, etc, where does the extra money come to go to the store? When was the last time you got paid in cash, legally? It's just a piece of paper. Billions are created electronically, out of no paper, monthly by the govt. buying bonds, creating bonds, and giving the Chinese a piece of paper that promises we will give them another piece of paper in a year. Your check is on a piece of paper you write, your pay may be electronic that you electronically transfer to pay with a credit card to buy gas and groceries. You buy a car, a house, a trip and you never had a piece of money in your hand except to put in a vending machine, maybe. So, what's so crazy about a dinner table size Trillion Dollar coin? In fact it makes more sense doesn't it? It is a physical piece. It exists. You can see a Trillion Dollars, well lit under glass, and Nick Cage cannot repel down a rope, snatch it up, and be gone. It weighs like a Humvee.

pauldodell
pauldodell

I swear to God ... Texas is the biggest incubator of fucking idiots on the planet.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

Factional conflicts have the power to destroy empires — and republics

The US Founding Fathers abhorred factions. The 10th Federalist Paper by James Madison in 1787 is a study of how to defend the fledgeling republic against the dangers of organised zealotry,  the curse that blighted earlier republics in world history.  Madison defined factions as groups of citizen "united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community".

tdkisok
tdkisok

Idiots putting other idiots into office. 

roadsidecouch
roadsidecouch

Obama should be impeached if he defaults because the US takes in more than enough money in taxes and fees to pay the debt each month which constitutionally must be payed before all other expenses.  If the US defaults it is because Obama wants to default and he acts unconstitutionally to default the USA.  The House can vote to impeach him but the senile Senator from Nevada will never allow Obama to to go to trial in the Senate.  Dirty Harry would have to be replaced with a Democrat with a sense of ethics or a Republican.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 And so in recent days you have Gohmert leading a pack of veterans through the barry-cades of the shut-down World War II Memorial

FIFY

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

Would somebody just step on that bug and be done with it?

I'd do it myself, but I'd never be able to get all the squish off my shoe. I sure don't want to track gohmert all over my house. It's bad enough all the furr balls and cat litter.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

"That little goomer might be homely, but he's the fastest crawler I've ever seen."  ---Granny, Beverly Hillbillies.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

People, we're going to have to rise above it, and address a little problem.  It's us. 

In 1984, about thirty years ago, Public Debt was $1.8 Trillion and it scared the shit outa everybody.  So much so our politicians actually got together and passed the DEFICIT REDUCTION ACT OF 1984

Well, that fell apart so they enacted the Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, the Budget Enforcement Act of 1990, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, and the Budget Control Act of 2011

We now owe $17.2 Trillion and the only argument today is . . . at what rate of increase should we borrow just to pay the interest on what we've been borrowing.  We are now running trillion-plus annual deficits, and are projected to continue to do so though the end of this decade. 

For the past thirty years we have been borrowing to pay for stuff we wanted instead of collecting it in taxation.  

The Yuppies are retiring in mass.  Their income years are about over with. Our tax system is based on income.  They are the fastest demographic climbing into the Public Wagon.  

They are not going to help pay this back.  They are not even going to help decelerate the rate of growth in debt.  This is wildly out of control.  They are now demanding their fair share of the borrowing. 

This leaves such a staggering sum to be collected, just to arrest the borrowing rate, much less try and stabilize and begin paying it down, the generations behind the Yuppies are not going to do it. 

Understand what I am saying?  They ain’t gonna do it.  And I don’t blame them.  They didn’t create this monster. 

Because this mile high debt wall rolling toward them is nothing more than a MASSIVE claim on their future labor.  It is such a giant demand, they will not perform that labor in the first place.  Or at least where it can be taxed to the extent it has to be. 

These politicians will not be here to pay this down or back.  Hell, they can't even slow the rate of increase.  

If you notice, the only argument now is how we are going to lift the cap in order to borrow even faster.  There is no other option being discussed because there IS no other option. 

They know it.

We know it.

We should have been out of this recession four years ago.  

We must default, reorganize (as in chapter 11), and recast the debt load payback over one hundred years.

We won't be able to borrow anymore money, but we can effectively manage the bankruptcy to where those we are tasking to pay it back will not spit the bit entirely.

Just remember, you cannot make people work for free.

whocareswhatithink
whocareswhatithink

Dems want to Impeach the Bush's, Republicans want to impeach the Clinton's (yes plural) and Obama....meanwhile all the voters want to impeach everyone in congress as I'm sure we can all agree that all voters can call into question the integrity or validity of the way everything is run on the Hill at the moment and has for years..

dingo
dingo

"We've got inquiries . . . to find out how much did you spend to close down open-air monuments and parks and roads that you don't spend a dime of money on," Gohmert, a Republican, told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

"But we know he is willing to spend money just to inflict hurt . . . and it has more to do with Chicago thuggery. You know, Al Capone was willing to make people hurt if they didn't go along with the proposals," he said Tuesday.

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I don't really see that comparison as crazy as spending money to stage illegal alien rallies on the same government lands that veterans are denied access to.

mcdallas
mcdallas

He is technically correct about default.  The President can simply draft an executive order and we'll avoid default.

PerryMoore
PerryMoore

It is now assumed by a sizable percentage of people living in this country that a child is better raised by the state--er, I mean village--than by that child's parents. That percentage has enabled the creation of a system whereby the abdication of one's parental responsibilities is rewarded on a regular basis. I consider that percentage to be a most dangerous "faction" indeed.

Sorry for the aside. To the point of the article, Mr. Gohmert is actually a lot sharper than most of the blogheads that bang on him. If you don't believe it, go talk to him. He is also more accessible than your typical politician.

smithjosh
smithjosh

@roadsidecouch, I commend you on your amazing common sense. Why isn't the media clarifying the point about default?

harleykarmadad
harleykarmadad

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Funny....Because when he speaks, I always think of either Jethro, Goober, or Gomer.   On the other hand, I do think Ted Cruz is doing so much of the leg work for Hillary. 

LongConDoc
LongConDoc

@holmantx The Europeans tried austerity and it's fucking up a generation of kids that are jobless and marginalized. See Spain, Greece. 

I honestly think if we raised minimum wage to $15-20 per hour, it would allow people to buy regular insurance and get them off of the govt teat. Minimum wage in the mid 60's was equal to that range. Couple it with redoing the tax system. 

In the end, everyone just wants to keep making money.


everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 @holmantx tl;dr version:

That which cannot go on forever, wont.  

Our deficit spending cannot go on forever.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

@holmantx  

The answer will be to tear down that wall.

The one the teabags want on the southern border.

Another 20-30 million pouring across the border, but this time with little booths issuing social security cards to all comers.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

"And so, America is joining the rest of the civilized world by caring for its citizens' well-being.  We finally have a social conscience.  It's the twilight of capitalist greed and the dawning of a new age."  ---Myrna Minkoff-Katz, from her new book, Minkovian Socioeconomics, a study of socially conscious political entities in a new age.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@dingo 

wow, you sure like to spin. and ignore the facts.

the immigration rally was approved for a permit just like the other groups (see Honor Flight vets) who applied to use the First Amendment area. The cost was underwritten by SEIU and other pro-immigration reform orgs. so vets have been given access to the mall....

Gohmert is so far out there on this it's crazy. who orginated and approved the spending bills that makes raising the debt limit necessary? yes, it is congress. that includes Gohmert himself. he's included.

Gohmert's absurd comment is like blaming the owner of the liquor store for when a parent buys hootch and gives it to their underage kid, and the kid has an accident. The store owner did nothing wrong, they followed the law, it was the actions of the parent and kid that is to blame.

Daniel
Daniel

@dingo  Did Al Capone pass legislation through Constitutionally established procedures? (Scatman Crothers voice): Now think, Doc. Think REAL HARD.

LongConDoc
LongConDoc

@mcdallas It's not in his power to do anything. He could use his power to do something but it would be illegal. Yet letting a default happen is also illegal. Our country was not set up to not pay our debts. It sets up a constitutional crisis.

I think both side are feeling what Marie Antoinette must have felt before the revolution. Pure ignorance of the situation.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@mcdallas 

an executive order  to resolve this problem is not allowed per the US Constitution. Borrowing can only be authorized by Congress. The Pres has no authority to allow debt over what Congress has approved.

harleykarmadad
harleykarmadad

@mcdallas I didn't know that and I haven't hear the press conference.   It seems like he should be able to have more control of re-opening the government without Bagger involvement. 

That said, I want the President to cup his balls, and not let a group of Xtion Extremist take control of our government.  If they want to negotiate, we should start with defunding religious organizations that are actually politically rallies.

John1073
John1073

Sure and then Congress has something else to bitch about. "Oh no Obama is a dictator and circumventing our authority! Wah!"

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

@PerryMoore

Assumed by who?  

He's most definitely sharp enough to sucker in the black helicopter crowd.     

roadsidecouch
roadsidecouch

@smithjosh @roadsidecouch Because the media is busy slurping on Obama's turds, eagerly awaiting the next talking points memo from the White House as to what to publish.    You don't really expect the American media to do it's job do you?  You will get more honest reporting from British media.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@LongConDoc @holmantx Oh shut the fuck up about Europe.  You morons don't know what you are talking about and I've been there many times.  You yammer on about their healthcare system that's broke, employs third world doctors, and is dragging them to hell, and demand a social democracy like them which their lot in life is the only reason why we still look good in comparison.

And to seal your stupid shit in order to leave absolutely NO DOUBT you haven't a clue, you trail out with a living wage.  It's dumbasses like you that didn't take care of the bunch that employs most of America - the small business man.

Wanna know what's killing us all?

Go look in the the mirror.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@everlastingphelps @holmantx 

This is true.

However we have a choice - we can either put this 747 down on a crowded freeway . . . 

or slam it in to the side of a hill.

at full throttle.

We CAN control the crash to minimize casualties.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@Montemalone @holmantx 

Mexico did the same thing with us, remember?  They needed settlers to inhabit a hostile land their citizens refused to move to?

If we just became citizens, learned the language and pledged allegiance to the Estados Unidos de Mexico, we would be granted several hectares of land.

Once we reached critical mass we rebelled and broke away.

Then we REALLY screwed up and joined the United States.

Maybe we should reverse the process.  Ask to be taken back into the fold.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.” Philip K. Dick (1928–82), U.S. science fiction writer. Definition given in 1972. Quoted by Dick in: I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon, “How to Build a Universe That Doesn’t Fall Apart Two Days Later,” Introduction (1986).

dingo
dingo

@mavdog @dingo So the pro illegal folks encountered barricades like the Honor Vets did?

The SEIU paid for use of the facilities, security, etc? 

I call Bullshit.

dingo
dingo

@Daniel @dingo The comparison was with tactics, not with individuals.

Snowden's latest - NSA dragnet mass surveillance of US citizens.

Left Leaning WashPo - Obama's war on whistleblowers has chiling effect on press.

Obama's IRS - still only 10% of requested emails released (in heavily redacted form)

And sure every administration pulls crap when they are in power. But, someone points it out and they are labelled as crazy for it? 



mcdallas
mcdallas

@LongConDoc @mcdallas Again... since when have Presidents followed the constitution.  By definition, the majority of "executive orders" in the last 10-15 years have been "illegal".  So what... that didn't prevent them from being signed and the vast majority have not been litigated.

Remember, there's a difference between doing something and "legally" doing something.  I can drive home going 120 mph this afternoon.  I just can't do it legally.  

mcdallas
mcdallas

@mavdog @mcdallas Since when have our Presidents followed the constitution?  I stand beside my statement that the Pres can sign executive order to solve this (of course, now it's been "resolved" so the need isn't there.  at least not today).

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@mavdog @mcdallas I think the executive order would actually have to declare a national state of emergency on economic grounds.  State of Emergency declarations allow the President to take unilateral action, without the consent or even consulting Congress, to include spending actions. In this case, with Congress being run by two merry bands of idiots, I'd be entirely supportive of President Obama issuing just such a declaration.

dallasdrilling.wordpress.com
dallasdrilling.wordpress.com

@harleykarmadad @mcdallas The President has stated that he does not prefer to exert his authority to avoid default by executive order. It sets precedent, but the bigger problem is that he knows that there will be more than Louie uniting in an impeachment motion and he wants to avoid that because it could cause bigger problems on the whole.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@John1073 Funny, when Bush was in office, that is exactly what the liberals and democrats were saying......, along with calling for impeachment.

pauldodell
pauldodell

@roadsidecouch what alternate universe are you in?  You're another outstanding example of Texas being the biggest incubator of fucking idiots on the planet.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@everlastingphelps @holmantx 

I think the situation is far more dire and immediate than John Q. realizes.  Otherwise these fools on the hill would kick that can on down the road.  Instead they are in fingerpointing mode.  Both sides believe they can hang a default around the other's neck.

Like that's some kind of winning strategy.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 @holmantx @everlastingphelps Not really.  It's more like, "do we slam it into the hill now, and start rebuilding, or do we limp it along for another 30 years so that our kids have no choice but to slam it into the hill?"

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@dingo

the reference was the Honor Vets...from the article:

National Parks Service spokesman Mike Litterst confirmed that the march will go on.

"Under the same First Amendment rights that are allowing Honor Flight veterans and their families to visit the veterans memorials on the National Mall, other groups will be granted access to the park for First Amendment activities in accordance with National Park Service established regulations," Litterst said in a statement.

dingo
dingo

@mavdog @dingo

From your link:

"A week after World War II veterans struggled to gain access to a memorial on the National Mall due to the government's partial shutdown, thousands of people pushing for a new immigration law have been cleared by the government to proceed with a concert and rally Tuesday on the Mall."

"After seeing a group of veterans forced to move aside barriers to access the World War II Memorial last week"

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

@RTGolden1 @mavdog @mcdallas The problem with that scenario is the image it projects. We have a non-functional government. More risk. Higher interest rates. A worldwide search for alternative places to put money.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@dallasdrilling.wordpress.com @harleykarmadad @mcdallas Interesting, he prefers not to use executive order to forestall a default, but he's fine with using it to circumvent legislative process, strip Americans of their Constitutional right to privacy and strip all of us of the fruits of our labors.  Now, I'm not trying to castigate President Obama for these other odious executive orders, these have been in place for decades in some cases (Obama did sign them 'into' enforcement during his administration), I just find it odd that here is where he draws the line: at signing an executive order that actually will benefit the country and it's people.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 @RTGolden1 @John1073 Yeah, we have Democrats saying shit like this:

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

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