North Texas Cities Are Stepping Up Regulation of E-Cigarette Stores

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Michael Dorausch
The electronic cigarette is either a) a near-miraculous smoking-cessation tool that has enabled untold thousands of smokers to ditch tobacco or b) a rapidly growing menace to public health. Or, it could be both. Researchers aren't really sure and won't be until they can study the long-term health effects of vaping.

The FDA is still puzzling over how to regulate a $1.5-billion industry that has seen its sales more than quadruple over the past four years, leaving states and municipalities to feel things out on their own.

In North Texas, a couple of cities are leaning toward tougher regulation, if not on the e-cigarette itself then on the increasingly ubiquitous storefronts that sell them. WFAA reported on Tuesday night that the Mansfield City Council voted unanimously to put a six-month moratorium on new e-cigarette stores while it considers where vaping fits into the city's smoking ordinance.

Further north, the city of Richardson is considering a rule requiring e-cig shops to obtain a specific use permit from the City Council before opening.

"We just want to make sure that it is appropriate for that location and that it will complement the other businesses and it's something we can be proud of -- that the community can support," assistant city manager Don Magner told CBS 11.

Eventually, the FDA will come out with rules governing the labeling and distribution of e-cigarettes, but cities will still be left to decide things like whether regulations like indoor smoking bans apply to vaping as well. That's when the debate will get really interesting.


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BAN-NICOTINE-POISON
BAN-NICOTINE-POISON

No, the "vapor" is actually smoke and IS dangerous, since it contains POISONOUS NICOTINE!


Protect the health, safety and welfare of the public and BAN THE VAPOR CANCERETTES, NOW, EVERYWHERE, INDOORS AND OUT, ALONG WITH THE TOXIC TOBACCO SMOKE!

thirn84
thirn84

STOP TRYING TO FREAKING REGULATE EVERYTHING. You guys regulated cigarettes so that way you could drive a wedge in between smokers and non-smokers. It worked and then smokers were made to feel like shit and have to go somewhere else to smoke because the smell was "so offensive". Now that smokers can get their nicotine WITHOUT HAVING TO BURN ANYTHING OR SMELL, and are now were being able to "vape" inside buildings and stores and no longer smell....the wedge between smokers and non-smokers is disappearing and you suddenly don't like it? F*CK OFF

CogitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum topcommenter

E-Meth ... you know it's good cuz it's blue, bitch!

everybodychimein
everybodychimein

What would you expect from the town that has its code enforcement officers drive around in their personal vehicles and send you nasty letters without even a knock on the door or door hanger left.  I would never live in this town or Garland.  They have to be in the competition for shittiest towns in DFW.

WhiteWhale
WhiteWhale

Richardson is worried that e-cigarette stores might not be appropriate next to the hookah bars and car title loan stores in its aging strip malls.

ebailey75057
ebailey75057

"We just want to make sure that it is appropriate for that location and that it will complement the other businesses and it's something we can be proud of -- that the community can support," assistant city manager Don Magner told CBS 11.

A fine example of Free Enterprise at work. 

Iola_Jaye
Iola_Jaye

Pretty soon all levels of government will make all of our decisions for us. How nice of them!

zewkini
zewkini

Vaping != smoking tobacco.  There is no valid reason to ban the use of ecigarettes anywhere unless a business owner chooses to.  Somehow I think people have gotten it in their heads that if you are puffing on something it must be bad for you and everyone else around you.  Smoking bans do not cover anything but tobacco products and city leaders would be wise to consider this fact - ecigarettes can't be covered under any exisiting ordinance nor should they be.

My s.o., who is trying to cut back on smoking, was using her ecig at a recent concert event.  No one around us complained (the place was packed) and no employee or security asked her to stop.  I guess there are sensible people out there after all.

juanmayeaux
juanmayeaux

The Do-gooder Nanny Staters want complete control over anything that gives pleasure to our huddled masses.

Sharon_Moreanus
Sharon_Moreanus topcommenter

How long until there is a vap tax for education?

Where is the lottery money going?

Where is the "education" tax on cigarettes going ?

P1Gunter
P1Gunter

I am a smoker. Pack a day of Camel Lights or Pall-Mall Reds depending on my finances. I've tried a few e-cigarettes, and honestly they suck. I'll take my real cigarettes.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

When we were kids we used to buy fake cigarettes that blew out a puff powder.  I haven't thought of those things for a long, long time.

SarcasmoJones
SarcasmoJones

I took a train ride from Ft Worth to OKC and Amtrak would not allow vaping on the train. Some folks view the breathing of anything but Texas air as inappropriate. Whatever, I'm not going back to tobacco. Nobody can claim that vaping is completely healthy, unless you're under the impression that heating up a poison and breathing the vapor is healthy. Since I've put the Marlboros down I can breathe better, I don't snore nearly as bad, and I don't wheeze when I laugh. We will have to wait for a long-term analysis regarding any detrimental effects of vaping, but after 2 months of vaping I already feel better.

looptwelve
looptwelve

This is probably less about governments wanting a cut and more about the tobacco lobby trying to slow things down until they can figure out how to enter the market and dominate it.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@thirn84 

It amuses me that you think that there is some elaborate agenda trying to drive a "wedge" between smokers and non-smokers.

CogitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum topcommenter

@thirn84 One major concern is public safety. It is possible -- we don't know yet -- that the fumes from vaping might be dangerous to both the user and the nearby patrons. Since no long-term studies have been done, we just don't know yet, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be concerned.

everybodychimein
everybodychimein

@WhiteWhale exactly, this is about keeping some connected e cig store owner happy or some c store owner pissed that he lost revenue on tobbacco sales.  Or just trying to pave the way for taxation.  Evil underfoot, these people hate personal liberties and will stop at nothing till they've regulated you into servitude and themselves into cushy consultant gigs.

everybodychimein
everybodychimein

@ebailey75057 how can you have an e cig store inbetween two Hookah stores?  I mean c'mon thats City Planning 101 shit right there.

J_A_
J_A_

Yeah but they were probably just glad she wasn't smoking weed at the concert

Wilson
Wilson

@zewkini E-cigs are considered by law a "tobacco product" - so by your definition, covered under smoking bans.

If they're a smoking-cessation product, which the manufacturers are quick to say they are NOT, they'd be regulated by the FDA.

Meanwhile, I just get a chuckle out of the commercial with the guy trying to look manly while sucking on a brown stick with a blue LED at the end. Marlboro man junior, I guess...

CogitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum topcommenter

@juanmayeaux Nah, just the shit that turns out to be poisonous to everyone sharing the same air.

everybodychimein
everybodychimein

@P1Gunter the crap they sell at gas stations like BLU are loss leaders that are designed to fail.  Taste = awful, Value = awful, 8$ and it lasts twenty minutes and gives you the nicotene level of more than a pack of cigarettes, thus getting you to turn back to the cheaper, better tasting reg cigarettes.  Go to a Vape Shop and try the real stuff...They will let you try it for free.

J_A_
J_A_

They're gonna raise the taxes again on real cigs to make up for the former smokers going to ecigs

Wilson
Wilson

@P1Gunter "pack a day" - is that it?  Why not put on a dress and prance around for us...

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@SarcasmoJones If they work, they should encourage smokers most strenuously to use them.  Big Tobacco is probably behind the banning movement.

P1Gunter
P1Gunter

@looptwelve The issue is that many states, Texas included, fund their education system via the tobacco tax. So less smokers mean less revenue for education even if the smokers increase the healthcare costs. It's a very odd situation.

maddskillz
maddskillz

@looptwelve loop i completely agree this is definitely Big Tobacco. FDA will come up with some bull about "The Children" and moms will get behind it like a heard of sheep and then they will die from lung cancer. 

parmstronyahoo.com
parmstronyahoo.com

@looptwelve maybe some truth to this, they big tobacco companies entrances into this market like BLU and maybe NJOY, are overpriced crap that taste like shit, probably have unnecessary harmful chemicals, contain way to much nicotene for something you can finish in 20 minutes.  I think they are designed to be unappealing, so that the smoker would rather just have their trusty Winston, or Kool, or Parliament.

zewkini
zewkini

@JohnSmallBerries @thirn84 It isn't smoke per se. It's water vapor. Huge difference, but many, if not most nonsmokers refuse to discern it from actual cigarettes. Pretty pathetic considering there is no harm and most who use them want to quit smoking altogether.  

WhiteWhale
WhiteWhale

@CogitoErgoSum @thirn84 Good when they actually find something that can pass peer review they can regulate.  Not just because the nannies want to rule.


Iola_Jaye
Iola_Jaye

I personally don't think babies should be killed at any time for any reason. I also don't think the govt. should ban them or require them (like China with the one baby per family rule). We're a people that has a govt not a govt. that has a people so these monolithic approaches to policy don't even work on paper.

zewkini
zewkini

Whoops guess I was wrong.  A Federal appeals court indeed ruled that ecigs are a tobacco product simply beacuse nicotine is derived from tobacco.  I suppose that having no tobacco in them made no difference.

Apparently the FDA has to make a ruling by the end of this month and still may choose to regulate them loosely.

JohnSmallBerries
JohnSmallBerries

@zewkini Learn to follow the conversation. I was responding to a comment about smoking regs driving a wedge between smokers and non-smokers.

CogitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum topcommenter

@zewkini @JohnSmallBerries @thirn84 Yeah, dude. It's just "water vapor." It's not as if there might be some chemicals lifted airborne in that water vapor, right? Wait, isn't water vapor created from pure water? Is this vaping fluid pure water, or does it contain other chemicals?

P1Gunter
P1Gunter

@CogitoErgoSum @WhiteWhale @thirn84 I think his point was, it's vapor and there are no carcinogens. Now until a reputable scientific study says otherwise, its harmless to people around an e-cigarette smoker.

The reason for regulation is obvious and twofold. 1) The anti-smoking campaigns of the last 20 years are eroding at the tax base built into smoking as smokers decline and another revenue stream is needed and 2) a lot of really silly parents that are convinced if their kids see Joe Schmoe smoking a cigarette they'll immediately light up.

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