Donald Trump Is Leading the Ted Cruz Birthers. At Least National Review Thinks So

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Senator Ted Cruz no doubt hoped the release of his birth certificate
to The Dallas Morning News
would settle the question of whether he is a "natural born" American citizen and thus eligible to run for president. Instead, the revelation that Cruz is a dual Canadian-American citizen -- which, given that his Canadian birth was already widely known, should not have come as a surprise -- ignited the debate anew. (Cruz, for the record, is more than happy to renounce the country of his birth).

Real estate mogul and noted political sage Donald Trump has been surprisingly subdued on the issue of Cruz's citizenship. "I don't know the circumstances. I heard somebody told me he was born in Canada. That's really his thing," he told ABC News last week with no apparent sense of irony.

But that was last week. Following the release of the birth certificate, Trump went into full birther mode, as the National Review reported:

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Donald Trump, the nation's self-appointed arbiter of presidential eligibility, today made his most unequivocal statement on the matter: The real-estate mogul strongly suggested he does not believe the Texas senator is a natural-born citizen, as the Constitution requires all presidents be, and urged him to run for office in Canada. "Ted Cruz is just the kind of conservative the Canadian parliament needs," Trump wrote on Twitter.

The curious thing was that the magazine's scoop was ignored by other media typically hungry for one of Trump's nuggets of wisdom. The reason becomes clear when you glance at the embedded tweet near the bottom of the post.

Once the magazine realized that the @RealDonalDrumpf Twitter feed is not handled by The Donald, National Review yanked the post, though not quickly enough to avoid being cached by Google.



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Sunbelt Ryders
Sunbelt Ryders

He's a worse candidate than Palin, they really shouldn't waste their time.. if they wanna push him as frontrunner though, I'm all for it. heh heh heh

Sunbelt Ryders
Sunbelt Ryders

Trump just does this for publicity, is he still trying to promote that stupid TV show?

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

Is everyone on this blog a drooling moron??

Donald Trump said nothing of the kind about Ted Cruz. The whole thing is a HOAX! A put-on. A fabrication. The National Review fell for it! And so did you!

Try to keep up on the news, people, especially when it runs contrary to your fixed beliefs.

 


bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

What I said, above.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Trump should be ashamed of himself for his demagoguery targeting immigrants.  His mother was from Scotland, his grandparents from Germany, and he had two wives, one from the Czech Republic, the other from Slovenia.  Can't he find another issue to screech about, like the deficit?

Azim Miza
Azim Miza

He just gave up his Canadian citizenship (CNN) Canada wins!

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

As much as I admire Sen. Cruz for his stance against ObamaCare; I, and much of his Tea Party base, admire and respect the US Const. even more.

Sen. Ted Cruz is absolutely correct when he states he is a "US Citizen at birth". But Sen. Ted Cruz is a US Citizen at birth by positive law (Title 8 USC §1401 (g)). Unfortunately, the US Const. calls for our presidents to be "natural" born Citizens, by natural law, not by positive statutory law. If the founders, framers and ratifiers of the US Const. had wanted simply "US citizens by birth" as the requirement, they could have easily said:"US citizens at birth", but they didn't; they said: '"natural" born Citizens. In the US Const. words mean something, each and every one.

ex animo

davidfarrar

Rudy Cruz
Rudy Cruz

By definition, Ted Cruz is not eligible to run for president. His parents' situation at his birth does not allow Ted to be a natural born citizen of the US. HOWEVER-- I don't doubt for a minute that the GOP will try to RE-DEFINE the parameters of a natural born citizen before he runs.

Christopher King
Christopher King

Yeah, silly people concerned about the US Constitution... the nerve of citizens to expect laws upheld. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat in the new Millennium! :/

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

So let me get this straight.  This is a non-story because Trump did not really say this as the Twit who Twittered this nonsense is not really Donald Trump.


Got it.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

The most interesting comment by Cruz is this: "because I have never taken affirmative steps to claim Canadian citizenship, I assumed that was the end of the matter".

what? Cruz, you are an attorney, you are a political animal who is openly salivating to run for the presidency. yet you want us to believe that you had no idea that by being born on Canadian soil you were a dual citizen of Canada and the US?

There may be some dense enough to support your demogaugery, but the rest of us aren't that easily fooled...

mcdallas
mcdallas

Trump is just jealous of Cruz' skin being pastier than his.  And let's not even get started on the hair.  Please!

ruddski
ruddski

All Cruz has to do is post a multi-layer PDF document of a scan that has been converted to vector art and clumsily manipulated, and that will end any questions. This is the standard established by the present administration

marvin
marvin

The fact that he has nothing to say about Cruz is plenty of reason to clown Trump.

National Review getting fooled by the fake tweet is just a sidebar.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Uh, Myrna.... The whole thing is a hoax.The Donald did not gig Cruz for his Canadian birth. The National Review was taken in (I just love it when journals that take themselves so seriously, right, left or center, are punked.). And so, My Dear, were you.

ruddski
ruddski

Trump is concerned about illegal immigration, mostly the illegal part.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz He will more likely be 2016's Rick Perry, having trouble getting his speeches out around the foot in his mouth.

ruddski
ruddski

Keep an eye on Scott Brown, who actually has a chance of becoming a nominee.

P1Gunter
P1Gunter

As the Hardline said, does this mean c-section births aren't citizens?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Hah!  The same people that ran around swearing that Obama is not an American citizen are now running around swearing that citizenship means nothing.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@david.is.farrar This has never been tested in our courts. It first arose (AFAIK) when George Romney ran for pres in 1968, but he never got close enough to the office to warrant a judicial review. (Romney was born in Mexico of U.S. parents.) Then it would have been tested had John McCain been elected, as he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, also of U.S. parents. That would have been perhaps a little more clear, as the Canal Zone was considered bona fide U.S. soil in the same category as actual embassies.

marvin
marvin

<i>"I don't know the circumstances. I heard somebody told me he was born in Canada. That's really his thing," he told ABC News last week with no apparent sense of irony.</i>

It's a story because Trump went all batshit birther crazy on Obama, but has no opinion on Cruz.

National Review getting fooled by the fake tweet just makes it funnier.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@mavdog Just so.

I know about this because I'm a U.S. citizen born in Venezuela of U.S. parents (awl bidniz). Like Cruz (but unlike John McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone), I was a dual citizen at birth. I and my family had to consider that dual citizenship for everything from registering to vote to obtaining a passport, from registering for the draft to enlisting in the U.S. Navy.

Especially for a "political animal" attorney who's attended the same dances as the birthers, if not having actually espoused the birther B.S., Cruz is disengenuous at best. (I'm being polite.) Add in that his own dad was a multinational (Cuba-Canada) with much experience with passports and citizenship declarations, Cruz MUST have given the dual citizenship much thought, and consulted other attorneys. For him to shrug it off now is actually sorta cunning, hoping it will just go away.

ruddski
ruddski

The point of the item is that NRO made a mistake, realized it, and deleted the post. This is considered big news.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@ruddski 

that's really funny sarcasm of the birthers. thanks for the laugh.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

no, Trump is concerned with having his name mentioned as many times and by as many people as possible.

Trump is completely, totally self interested, nothing else.

OCEANINTHEDESERT
OCEANINTHEDESERT

@RTGolden1 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz He will be the guy that the media focuses on after whichever third party candidate or libertarian that gains a little traction is being systematically phased out and ignored, ala ron paul

ruddski
ruddski

Democrats liked him so much, they demanded he be elected twice.

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@wcvemail @david.is.farrar

The fact that a definition of a "natural born Citizen" is missing from the US Const. wasn't an oversight, or a simple laps in judgement, as our courts have assumed. The founders, framers and ratifiers of the US Const., even the colonial (man) in the street, knew perfectly well what a "natural born subject" was before the American revolution.

After the War of Independence, the republican constitutional theory conceived of the individual as a Citizen and assigned sovereignty to the people. Therefore, to find the proper definition of a "natural born citizen", we must look at this enigmatic phrase, not through the eyes of a subject, but through the eyes of a sovereign, using natural law.

As sovereigns, their offspring would inherit their sovereignty from their fathers (partus sequitur patrem). As sovereigns, their offspring would also be natural born subjects wherever their birth occurred, as natural law dictates. As de Vattel points out in this work: 'Law of Nations', the minimum requirement to meet natural law criteria is that the child born inherits the citizenship of its father. Once this requirement is met, other restrictions can also be applied, such as 'place of birth' and the allegiance of the mother, as long as it doesn't interfere with the child's natural right to inherit its father's citizenship.

Under this definition, neither Barack Obama, nor Sen Cruz, are Art. II, §1, cl. 4 natural born US Citizens. Barack Obama was born a natural born subject of the English Realm, and Sen Cruz was born a natural born citizen of Cuba.

ex animo

davidfarrar

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

He was keeping Canadian citizenship in order to avoid future conscription risk.

P1Gunter
P1Gunter

Last I'd checked, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship. It may have changed, but the USA doesn't recognize me as a French citizen (which is awesome for travel to Cuba or if I want healthcare).

wcvemail
wcvemail

@ruddski Right, ruddski, this is a non-story about a now-common hoax posting. But there is a legit story about Cruz' apparent indifference to citizenship, and his claim not to have known the law. For instance, if he truly never bothered to research his own status, then what else has he ignored? But as I said below, he's attempting to dismiss the issue entirely without admitting that he has, indeed, studied it.

ruddski
ruddski

Every single word about the PDF is factual and supportable, it is exactly as claimed.

ruddski
ruddski

You are cirrect, Mav, but my concern is that people confuse illegal immigration with legal immigration, perhaps unaware of the difference.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@ruddski In Texas.  On a national stage, even the Republicans knew his only use was to make the eventual nominee look stellar by comparison.

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@primi_timpano 

Yes, I agree to a degree. The best that can done is require that both parents be US citizens prior to the birth of their offspring. This restriction would equalize the gender discrimination to a degree, avoid dual allegiances at birth, and meet natural law requirements.

ex animo

davidfarrar

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@wcvemail @david.is.farrar 

Thank you for the complement. These thoughts were put together from my notes, based on the Michigan Law Review as cited by 'mavado'. 

I have no doubt you are correct in your assessment. But I have a sneaking feeling, all that money, time, and volumes of proceedings will be undertaken to obscure these thoughts rather than render them on the national stage.

ex animo

davidfarrar

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

Attribution of US citizenship by virtue of a father's citizenship would not pass constitutional muster in the US because of its gender discrimination.

david.is.farrar
david.is.farrar

@mavdog Thank you for your link to the Michigan Law Review. My notes of this subject were missing, and I do want to give credit where credit is due.

But the point you make is made clearly in my first post, imho.

ex animo

davidfarar


wcvemail
wcvemail

@david.is.farrar That's a pretty good summary, and a reasonable interpretation in just a few paragraphs. The actual, inevitable court proceedings will fill whole volumes, cost millions in legal fees, and take years. If not Cruz this time, just as it wasn't Romney nor McCain previously, this will have to come to a head on a national level.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@P1Gunter It's not that a U.S. passport explicitly says, "dual citizen - X nation." It's simply that a person may have two or more passports (triple citizenship is not unknown among Europeans). In my case, when entering Venezuela, I used my Venezuelan passport, but when entering the U.S., I used my U.S. passport (with all other documents close at hand, of course.)

That dual- or multiple-citizenship stays in place, generally, until either explicit declaration/renunciation (as happened here), or until a de facto declaration occurs. Joining the military is one such de facto declaration, depending on the countries' laws. An explicit U.S. law says that applying as an adult for foreign citizenship automatically voids the U.S. citizenship.

Here's a thing from the U.S. State Dept.
travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

wcvemail
wcvemail

I wish I had something to explode your last sentence, but I got nothin'. American voters deserve the candidates we have, due to our own spacing out.

ruddski
ruddski

I'm not sure it matters. Our current president was identified as a Kenyan, most notably in a author bio (which are suppodedly written by the author) and he seemed unaware for many years. I guess candidates just space out, no biggie.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@ruddski Your reading is as atrocious as your typing.  Re-read my comment doofus.  I'm supporting your assertion all the way through it.

ruddski
ruddski

"The various clipped, masked and grouped layers simply indicate that it is not what rolled off the scanner." -- LOL, really?

The green background sure didn't. I never claimed the document is "fake", I claimed it was manipulated. It obviousley is, we have

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@mavdog I'm not a birther.  Frankly, I care more about what kind of person, and what kind of leader, our President is than where he was born.

That being said, I went to the link you posted, downloaded and saved the .pdf, and opened it in Inkscape (a free downloadable vector art program, if anyone is interested).

multi-layered?  Yes

Vector? parts of it.

clumsy manipulation? It isn't the best work I've seen.

None if this, however proves the document itself is a fake.  The various clipped, masked and grouped layers simply indicate that it is not what rolled off the scanner.  A scanner, even if the output file is saved as a .pdf, puts out a bitmap or raster file.  If saved as a .pdf the bitmap is simply embedded in the pdf.  The base layer of the linked file is a horribly scanned and mostly unreadable bitmap that 'could' be the birth certificate.

So your three haughty statements are incorrect, my friend, although your characterization of chasing this particular demon as absurd I heartily agree with.

ruddski
ruddski

I never claimed forgery, as I have no proof of that. All I did was to explain what the document is. There is absolutrly no question, the document is as described, and that has been acknowledged many times with some nifty excuses for just why it is a multi-layer vector document -.which most graphics pros find a littke funnyYou may be unaware of all that, but if you do 2 munutes of research, you'll realize your error. No need to thank me.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

really, that's the best you got?

this whole "birth certificate is a forgery" crap is the biggest waste of time since Paul McCartney's supposed death....

ruddski
ruddski

You're halfway there, Mav. See the ".PDF", that mrans it's a PDF. Now, open the PDF in Adobe Illustrator, and you'll see one layer - click the toggle on that layer and you'll see about 11 sublayers. One is the clipart background, a couple are blank (typical in a conversion), the other layers are signatures and dates.

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