Texas' Proposed Abortion Restrictions Took Another Step Toward Passage Last Night

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WFAA's David Schechter snapped this photo of a pro-life supporter at the Capitol.
A week after state Senator Wendy Davis power-talked her way into liberal America's heart, reality continued to set in last night in Austin, where a panel of lawmakers approved the same set of abortion restrictions that Davis filibustered, while hundreds of people who registered to testify about the bill were turned away.

The bill, which passed 8-3 along party lines, now moves to the floor of the Texas House. Along with its Senate companion, it would, among other restrictions, outlaw abortions after 20 weeks and require the procedure to be done at surgical clinics, forcing most clinics to close.

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Riding the wave first surfed by Davis last week, 3,500 of people descended on the Capitol on Tuesday, hoping to debate the bill over multiple days. But despite more than 1,000 people registering to testify, and over pleas from advocates and lawmakers to extend the debate, House State Affairs Chairman Byron Cook limited testimony to eight hours. Fewer than 100 people got to speak.

"We took testimony in the regular session, in the first special. We've taken a lot of testimony," he said after the vote, according to the Associated Press.

What testimony was allowed lasted until midnight and came from all angles, from pastors to protestors to doctors. It was that last group whom lawmakers may least enjoy hearing from: While the bill purports to protect women's health, it's opposed by The Texas Medical Association, the Texas Hospital Associations and the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

"This comes from the politicians, not our profession," an Austin OB-GYN named Bradley Price testified on Tuesday, according to The Dallas Morning News. "It would jeopardize women's health care and interfere with medical practice and patient-physician relationships. It would also close most abortion clinics and would decrease the number of doctors who can provide care."

The House is expected to vote on -- and pass -- the legislation when it returns on Tuesday, July 9.



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MisterMean
MisterMean

I seem to recall, in the news that Ayatollah Perry had to get pro lifers in from Oklahoma and Louisiana to bolster his side.   Most polls I have seen feel that the second special session should drop the war on woman, anti choice legislation on the 20 week ban and further restrictions on clinics.   The polls in the DFW area were 80 percent against more restrictions (a poll size of 2000 people).

You know every time I have asked a anti choice troll where in the bible it speaks of abortion there has been no reply-if memory serves me there are plenty of passages about selling your daughter into slavery, keeping slaves and how you can beat them and many about infanticide.

Obummer
Obummer

Yo as long as Sandra Fluke be get’in her free birf controls pills what diff’ do it make?

whitman
whitman

How many babies have they pledged to adopt to pick up the slack?

DeathBreath
DeathBreath

The operatives in this stinking filthy mess are aligned with two main factions, backed by Evangelical pro-lifers, TeaTards & GOPigs.  Sure, this is political.  It will eventually have political fall out when voters wake up to the political battle and get out to vote.  For all you pro-lifers, go fuck yourselves.  You're existence is the strongest argument for abortion. While your at it, fuck your Lord as well. 

JackJett
JackJett

We know if the child is born in need of financial assistance that both Mother & child are in for non-stop name calling from the very people who insisted he/she be born.  

So each church should be required to (depending on size) to sponsor X amount of babies from birth through to a college education if they are so demanding.  And if that child is born with some physical or mental issues, this should too be covered at 100 percent by these groups.

AND...when that child grows up and happens to be gay, that adult should be give the same rights as the person who demaded the child be born.  

If life begins at conception, it doesn't end with birth.

rbtxcat75
rbtxcat75

Sometimes I feel like the arguments for abortion sound like the same folks that were justifying slavery. If you bring up morality, you are a religious nut. If you want to keep things "as is" you are "enlightened".

Carolyn Rowley
Carolyn Rowley

You need to be real, Stephen. Women who want abortions who can't afford to go out of the state will indeed seek the back alleys. It's only tired & nonsense because you don't want to believe it. Even one woman's death from a back-alley abortion is one too many; wouldn't you agree?

ivyhall
ivyhall

It will be a sad day if the "Pro-Lies" movement wins this round.

Jeanna Rebecca
Jeanna Rebecca

The idiot would be you. Just because some locations of PP perform them does not mean they are FREE. PP still charges a fee for a visit. But since you are a MAN you wouldn't know that.Now quit Trolling and Fuck Off!

Chantal Chanshort
Chantal Chanshort

you're the idiot for thinking everyone goes to PP for abortions

Esteban Mainzer
Esteban Mainzer

umm...what part of "tax dollars" are you not understanding? idiot.

Esteban Mainzer
Esteban Mainzer

actually, if my tax dollars are used to perform abortions, i have every right to try to stop them from happening if i don't agree with them. can't have it both ways. can't tell me "stay out of my body" and then demand money from my wallet.

Deana Mohundro Cleesattel
Deana Mohundro Cleesattel

No one is forcing you to marry a gay man and you will never have to worry about getting an abortion...so you don't need to worry about either of those things using your logic. That means you can go away.

rbtxcat75
rbtxcat75

@MisterMean Bible - Thou shall not kill.  Can you please let me know where it mentions the slavery parts?  If you are willing to accept those passages but not the Ten Commandments, then your argument isn't really valid.  The Gallup Poll said that 65% of Texas women were against late-term abortions.  Can you let me know where the "polls" you took are mentioned?

rbtxcat75
rbtxcat75

@JackJett I think you have some good points.  But I think if you look at the work pregnancy centers are doing, then you would know there is a lot of good work being done by pro-lifers to not only help the baby but to make sure the mom has the resources they need.

Confused on the 2nd paragraph though.  Are you saying that if a women has a difficult time and she decides to keep the baby (instead of abortion) that it's up to a church to sponsor the baby?  Wouldn't this be at the heart of the pro-choice supporters that the mother decided to keep the baby?  Isn't that a choice she just made?  So why not as a society that we accept that baby and take care of that individual as we do each other person?

Could you make the argument that pro-choice folks "forget" about the mother once the abortion has been completed?

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

I was treated at PP and was not charged.

girlnextdoor
girlnextdoor

@Jeanna Rebecca  Planned Parenthood has two branches and are totally separate. One is solely women's health care such as yearly visits,family planning such as  birth control, cancer an diabetes etc and a big one , testing and treatment for women and their partners std's which is rampant in Texas It is a lifesaver for rural areas. This is non profit, funded by patient fees, donations and less and less government funds. The other Planned Parenthood branch recieves NOT government funds and is supported only by patient fees and donations.h is

Sharon_Moreanus
Sharon_Moreanus topcommenter

Nice mouth....do you kiss your fetus with it?

rbtxcat75
rbtxcat75

Only 33% of people go there. Enough to be the largest abortion facility in the US with over 300,000 a year.

MisterMean
MisterMean

@Esteban Mainzer I am tired of having to support religious institutions with my tax dollars.   Time to tax the churches.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@Esteban Mainzer But since "if" is not the case, then you have no case.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Esteban Mainzer tax dollars are not used to perform abortions at planned parenthood clinics, or anywhere else for that matter.  There is a ban at every level, including Federal, on that.  The tax money supported Planned Parenthood women's health clinics are wholly separate entities from their centers that provide abortions.  You and your wallet are safe from sinning, move along now.

MisterMean
MisterMean

@rbtxcat75 I do not accept the slavery parts.  Check Leviticus 25:44  and Leviticus in general.       The number of late term abortions are few (about 1 percent of all) -and a majority of those are due to medical issues 

rbtxcat75
rbtxcat75

@MisterMean @whitman Let's say that I've have not adopted a single kid or do not like kids personally, how does that justify the right to kill a baby?

JackJett
JackJett

@rbtxcat75@JackJett

You too make some valid comments.They are rational and in most cases I would attempt to respond in kind.Hypocrisy if a mega pet peeve of mine and that is what I see a ton of in any debate regarding religion.

That said, I am also a man who makes my own decision and they are not always in lock step with my fellow “libtards”.This week I witnessed (IMHO) such blatant hypocrisy when Progressives and the media totally bashed the decision of six FEMALE jurors as if they were incapable of making a rational decision in the Zimmerman trial.If I am going to bash Ann Coulter for making idiotic bigoted comments, I am NOT going to make a heroine out of Rachel Jeantel with the same mouth.

So at this point, I don’t really care……I say take it to the limit and consider life to begin at the point of ejaculation.Maybe I will join up with the right wingers and ask Robert Jeffress out on a date.

rbtxcat75
rbtxcat75

Can you comment on the fact that PP has required all facilities in the state to offer abortion on site?

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@rbtxcat75 You totally missed her point.  PP performs a wide range of non-abortion healthcare and preventive care services at their clinics.  Often, they are the only facility available for poor/disadvantaged women to receive these services.  THAT is why this bill is a travesty.

roo_ster
roo_ster

@RTGolden1 Money is fungible.  

Back in the day when Irish-American fools gave $$$ to Noraid, they were freeing up PIRA funds for guns & explosives.  Every $ given to Noraid was a dollar PIRA did not have to spend supporting the wives/families of imprisoned PIRA terrorists as they had pledged (to the terrorists) they would do.

rbtxcat75
rbtxcat75

So your first point is the “viability” of the fetus or baby.  Roe v Wade uses the viability language and says that a baby is not viable until after 24 weeks.  New research and science suggest that a baby can feel pain after 20 weeks.  The Roe v Wade language was written in 1973.  Would we agree that science and research has gotten better over the last 40 years to determine that viability could start earlier than 24 weeks?  At 20 weeks you are more than halfway through a pregnancy.  You know the sex of the baby, the heart is beating, the baby has arms, legs, toes, fingers and skin.  The baby is kicking on a daily basis, taking naps and responding to voices.  Is this not a “viable” human being?

The second point are the circumstances surrounding the potential abortion.  If you read the most conservative research it would suggest that there are 1% of abortions due to rape and incest.  The more liberal research would suggest that there are 4% due to rape and incest.  Using the more liberal of the two, that means there are 96% of abortions that don’t fall into that category.  Roe v Wade states that abortions are not to be used as birth control.  But with over 1 million a year in the US that fall outside of the rape, incest, mother’s health arguments, it’s hard to say that we are even sticking by the words in Roe v Wade.

MisterMean
MisterMean

@rbtxcat75 First it is not a baby until it is viable.  This is what the medical profession state.  The Bible cites the time of first breath (Genesis)  Second perhaps you should mind your own business when it comes to a woman's choice.  Who is to judge what circumstances would lead a woman to choose this.  Perhaps her illness (that this law discounts), perhaps it is the fetus due to abnormality,  perhaps it is rape.  Perhaps there are other circumstances that you nor I can comprehend.    Have you contributed any support to a child in need?  Most seem to be pro birth not pro life-we will fight tooth and nail for the fetus but once it is born your on your own.  Hypocrites and busy bodys who are no better than the Taliban.

DeathBreath
DeathBreath

@ScottsMerkin  @DeathBreath Dear Cretin:  Now, let me get this straight.  You mean to tell me that people read my responses, form opinions, & then sometimes write a response?  Oh, & if I don't want people in my business, I should not post it on the internet?  I will have to tell my associates & colleagues about this.  You know what, I believe your mother should have swallowed.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@DeathBreath If you dont want him in your business, dont post it on the internet dumb fuck

MisterMean
MisterMean

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul  Jett's comment on that they practice what they preach and I observed that in my observation that people who are anti choice and adopt or help support an unwanted child are in the minority.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@rbtxcat75 Now you're being disingenuous.  The bill does a lot more than the 20-week restriction and you know it.  It imposes operating standards so far and above what is required for other outpatient facilities with equivalent risk that it borders on the ludicrous.  Not meeting these artificially high standards will necessarily close the majority of the PP clinics in the state.

By the way, check your facts.  Planned Parenthood Abortion centers do not, and in fact, cannot by law, receive ANY federal or state assistance.  A veritable army of accountants have tried to find where there might have been a slip up.  Do you know why they can't find one? 

Planned Parenthood healthcare services are completely separate from their abortion centers.  It's like looking at the books for WalMart and Target.  There's no way for one penny to slip from one entity to the other.

rbtxcat75
rbtxcat75

And describe how this bill "attacks" PP and is a travesty. A majority of TX women agree with restricting abortions after 20 weeks.

rbtxcat75
rbtxcat75

I don't think I did. I get the fact that they do other services but the main service they provide is abortions. That is what they make their money off of. Exxon spends money on education programs and non-profits but what is their main focus? My point is our federal government sends more than 500 mil a year to PP. The services they provide do not match the damage they do. And, I like for somebody to have a legit debate with me, not call me an idiot off the bat.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@roo_ster @RTGolden1 In a moral sense, you're right (speaking only for myself, of course).  In a legal and economic sense you're wrong.

It is as plain as that.  Abortion is legal, tax dollars cannot (and do not) pay for elective abortions.  Until one of these two irrefutable facts are changed into fiction, this Pro-Choice,  Choose Life conservative will remain firmly in the camp of keeping the government out of private affairs as much as possible.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@roo_ster @mavdog @RTGolden1 

oh, we understand the meaning, that's why your assertion is falacious. every dollar that is received goes into a specific bucket, and every dollar that leaves that bucket is tabulated.

only right wing zealots believe that the laws of physics  can be suspended, not those who are advocates for the services that Planned Parenthood offer.

as for the "laws of economics", the phrase itself is a good exercise at humor.

roo_ster
roo_ster

@mavdog @roo_ster @RTGolden1 It helps to know what "fungible" means before criticizing another's use of the term. 

I'll stick to my assertion, as it is about as non-controversial as "water is wet."  Well, except inside the hallowed halls of Planned Parenthood, where the laws of physics and economics are suspended.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

@roo_ster @RTGolden1 

"money is fungible"

try telling that to the certified public accountants who audit Planned Parenthood's financials. they would strongly disagree.

and they would be correct.

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