The Morning News' Best Neighborhoods Are Really Rich, Really White and Really Far Away

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When The Dallas Morning News announced three months ago that it would be rolling out the most definitive ranking of the area's neighborhoods in history, I put my money on Frisco. Not real money, mind you; if I had that, I could afford to commute from Frisco. But I was pretty sure, a certainty that was only strengthened as, week after week, the Collin County exurb hovered at the top of the paper's ratings of schools and safety and the like.

Turns out, I was wrong.

Frisco -- the part east of Preston Road, of course -- ranks a paltry third on the News' list, which was finally unveiled on Sunday. No. 1 was Southlake.

In retrospect, that revelation shouldn't have been terribly surprising. Frisco, after a decade or two of explosive growth, has begun to wear around the edges, just a little. It's hardly enough to notice, certainly not enough to dull the shine, but it's plenty to displace it as the exurban utopia du jour.

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And that's more or less what the Morning News list is after: those places new enough and far enough out to have so far avoided the stink of the city. Take a look:

1. Southlake

2. Eastern Colleyville

3. Frisco (east of Preston)

4. University Park

5. Prestonwood

6. Frisco (north of Eldorado)

7. Nesbitt Park area (McKinney)

8. Denton/Lake Ray Roberts

9. Sunnyvale

10. Flower Mound (Grapevine Lake to Flower Mound Road)

It's a thoroughly remarkable list. Only one of the best neighborhoods, Prestonwood, is actually inside Dallas, and it's pretty much in Addison. Sunnyvale is the only place south of Interstate 30, and that's only because the freeway doglegs north in Mesquite. And the paper demonstrates its strong commitment to urbanism by including one representative from inside the loop: University Park.

These neighborhoods just so happen to share a common thread: economic and racial homogeneity.

Southlake, for example, is 88.9 percent white according to U.S. Census figures. Colleyville is 88.3. Both have median household incomes above $150,000 and poverty rates below 3 percent. Sunnyvale is the least white (68.4 percent, 20.4 percent Asian) but boasts a 0.8 percent poverty rate. A better title for the piece would probably be "Best neighborhoods for rich, white suburbanites."

This isn't to say that the Morning News set out to find the whitest, richest neighborhoods it could. But it does provide a fascinating glimpse at the priorities of the people who run the paper, or at least those who developed the algorithm. They put an enormous amount of emphasis on safety and education, which are important but overwhelmingly favor the suburbs while giving urban attributes -- diversity, walkability, nightlife, the arts -- short shrift.

We're sure Southlake is a wonderful place. Its tidy, master-planned town square and leaping horses are great if that's the lifestyle you're after. We're just saying that, when University Park has the highest poverty rate aside from Denton on your best-of list, it's probably time to rejigger that algorithm.

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bbetzen
bbetzen

It appears to have been due to those pushing this northside property that the high ozone area circles on the evening news were stopped sometime in the early 1990's.  The goal appears to have been to keep folks from knowing that the highest ozone levels on hot summer days was almost always north of I-30, often as far north as Frisco, but rarely here in Oak Cliff.   I have always liked the lower traffic levels here in Oak Cliff along with the cleaner air so let the developers have their way.

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

WELL, THEN THERE IS DETROIT, CHICAGO, ATLANTA, BALTIMORE, CLEVELAND....THAT ARE NOT RICH, NOR WHITE, BUT THANK GOD THEY ARE ALL FAR AWAY.

Obummer
Obummer

Yo as long as Sandra Fluke gets her free birf control pills what diff’ do it make?

newmexafrica
newmexafrica

The USA will be so much better and cooler and less crime-ridden the more the USA becomes like a combination of Mexico and Africa!!

MeanGreen
MeanGreen

Denton FINALLY getting some love.

Vinny-n-Dallas
Vinny-n-Dallas

In six years I lived in Lake Highlands, White Rock, Oak Lawn and then six more wonderful years downtown.  And I loved living in Dallas...until I wanted to buy a house.  I realized that finding an affordable home, that was in a decent neighborhood, with decent shopping and amenities nearby was impossible unless we wanted to be house-poor.  We make okay money and didn't even want a huge place. We wanted to be close to the downtown/Uptown area, but prices were simply not worth it. We ended up finding a very attractive, 2 bd, 2 1/2 bath townhome, that the previous owner had finished out just as nice as anything in Uptown for a very good price!!...in Las Colinas.  We will still be in Dallas often to enjoy what the city has to offer, but I've never seen a city with a housing market as crappy as Dallas, either you can't afford it, or you don't want it. This city has got to get some better middle class  neighborhoods or people will continue to end up buying in the burbs.  Good thing DART lightrail is a short walk away from our new place.  We move in August.

Tom434
Tom434

Is the DMN going to do a ten drops in the bucket for these neighborhoods

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

Because when you can't think of anything else, publish a list.  Everyone loves lists.

Cliffhanger
Cliffhanger

I'm fine with too each his/her own neighborhood-wise, but it's hilarious how the DaMN tries to cram their one-size-fits-all prescription on all of us. I mean seriously, no offense, but the gist of the Observer article is correct. Those are all very similar neighborhoods. Does it really not occur to the Morning Snooze that some of us like to live somewhere besides suburbs? And that a perfectly rational argument can be made for doing so?

jordanmrutledge
jordanmrutledge

The thing that bothers me is they are calling many of these areas "neighborhoods." The majority of those on this list are suburbs and essentially cities/towns. There are several that are truly neighborhoods, but not many - especially when it's supposed to be a "neighborhood" round up.


I will say, let's direct people to live in those "neighborhoods" so we can keep places like Lakewood, Deep Ellum and Kessler Park to ourselves. I prefer to live in a place with a little personality.

if6were9
if6were9

Fuck the city and fuck the suburbs. They both suck a mean one. Peace to all.......later on, bitchessssssss. :)

Threeboys
Threeboys

Rich white guy here.  Live in Dallas, close to both airports.  Hear gunshots often.  Lots of sirens.  Big drug problems in the middle school and high school near my house.  House never broken into, neither have my cars, which are in a carport, not garage.

I love living in Dallas.  I choose not to live in the burbs, but I could.  I don't send my kids to DISD and never would.

What I don't get after reading every comment below is how many posters harbor such hate for those who choose to live in the burbs.   You don't like them, don't live there.  But good God STFU.

James080
James080 topcommenter

Damn.....there's a hell of a lot of urban snobs posting on the DO. Why all the high-brow hate? I grew up in Richardson, lived in Dallas most of my life, as well as Plano and Garland for short stays. Your neighborhood, where ever it is, is what you make it.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Children growing up in neighborhoods like Southlake will one day go out into a very different world than they're used to and will be severely disadvantaged as a result.  It's interesting to note that the most ethnically diverse area in America is Irving's 75038 zip code, a stone's throw from Southlake.

milesofsmiles
milesofsmiles

RICH people tend to live in better neighborhoods.  It is really that simple. If Eric Nicholson were to do an honest evaluation of the "BEST" neighborhoods in the Metroplex, then this is where he should start.  Ask yourself why the rich chose to live where they do. They can afford to live where they want, and why would they chose a crappy location.  If culture, walkability, nightlife, arts, and diversity are truly important, then the rich will have these things in their neighborhoods, if not, then it might be that economic and racial homogeneity are more important. I am surprised you didn't consider this factor. 

Chris Chandler
Chris Chandler

In America, it’s blasphemous to even suggest that whites could be victims of racial injustice. Whites are the permanent “oppressors” in the mainstream media narrative, while all other races are the permanent “victims.” In fact, "white" and "oppressor" are essentially synonymous -- meaning: whites are the bad guys. All whites have been lumped together and typecast in a bad reality TV show. Because whites as a group do not have clean hands, therefore, they are denied the right of seeking justice. If that isn't stereotyping, I don't know what is.

cakeartist
cakeartist

Gosh, I hate these types of lists.  Actually, I don't hate the lists as much as the commenters who insist on bashing the people who choose in the areas that they themselves don't choose to live.  Give it a rest, people!  Live where you want to live, and let the rest of us do the same without bullying us about it!

Charles Omana
Charles Omana

This is Dallas. Home of the rich, White, Republican Southern Baptist who's actions speak louder than words.

dominicide1
dominicide1

I am almost sure the DMN has never trooped around south Dallas with Mayor Money Mike. There is a lot of cool shit happening down there. Plus the topography is just beautiful. There are a lot of old trees; creeks and it's very hilly in areas. Yes, the schools suck and there is a security problem. However, as a white guy I would rather live is south Dallas than any of the weirdness the DMN mentions as their exceptional neighborhoods. Look, I have lived downtown for twelve years. You know what we get lately? Divorced, broken alcoholics; paying too much rent; feeling entitled. And do where they come from? Mostly from the lauded cities the DMN mentions. Yeah, I know what it incubates there. Oh, you will say, "not everybody is like that." Secretly they all want out.

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

@Vinny-n-Dallas DALLAS COUNTY SUCKS TOTALLY.  ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF DALLAS COUNTY BEATS ANY PLACE INSIDE DALLAS COUNTY...  THANKS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND CORRUPTOCRAT BLACK VOTE STEALING CROWD.

JohnSmallBerries
JohnSmallBerries

@Vinny-n-Dallas So why in God's green earth didn't you look at Richardson? You said, "I realized that finding an affordable home, that was in a decent neighborhood, with decent shopping and amenities nearby was impossible unless we wanted to be house-poor." Richardson is becoming full of people like... uh... you. They are attracted to urban experiences but don't want to be priced out. You would be closer to those amenities, very likely have better real estate potential, and near DART rail. The housing market isn't crappy. You just didn't know where to look.

JMFitzmaurice
JMFitzmaurice

@Vinny-n-Dallas  You say you didn't want a huge place? What is huge? I think that is the most important trade off. We live in a great neighborhood, with good schools, and a great community where everybody knows everybody, and kids still go out on bikes to see which friends can come out and play. We waited and watched when we moved from apt to house, and got a great deal, but anyone who wanted to could get into one of the 1920s homes here in Junius Heights for 200k, You could spend less if you were willing to wait, more if you wanted a house with an amazing yard, or pool, etc; however, your home is going to be about 1500 square feet. The size most homes were until the last half of the 20th century. If you move to the 'burbs you will be further away from museums, theatres, the zoo, etc but you will get more space.. which I guess I would need, as I would be spending a lot more time at home without museums, theatres, the zoo etc :)

StupidHippies
StupidHippies

@Cliffhanger I don't think they are going to force you to move any time soon. If the blacks and mexicans haven't yet, I doubt a newspaper can

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz ETHNIC DIVERSITY IS SUCH A PATHETIC CASE OF LIBERAL MENTAL MASTURBATION AND WHITE GUILTING ON EVERYONE ELSE'S TAX DOLLARS.   YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT KIDS WILL GROW UP TO BE, AND YOUR COMMENTS ARE BANAL.

leftocenter
leftocenter

I can't believe I'm KINDA agreeing with Myrna...

Disadvantaged is too strong a word, but when I was moving here and guided to Colleyville I didn't realize how, um, white it is.  My son's middle school class had 1 and 1/2 black kids; it was a running joke, enjoyed by the kid and a half as much as anyone. 

I am concerned about the bubble my kids live in.  Their perception of the real world will take a jarring blow one day.  Don't feel sorry for them...they'll be fine.

drtz
drtz

@milesofsmiles

"If culture, walkability, nightlife, arts, and diversity are truly important, then the rich will have these things in their neighborhoods..."

This made me laugh.  Truly one of the best comments I've seen on DO.

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

@Chris Chandler WITHOUT WHITE FOLKS, THE BLACK FOLKS WOULD STILL BE SLAVES.  AFTER 600,000 MOSTLY WHITE FOLKS DIED IN THE CIVIL WAR, A BIT OF APPRECIATION FROM THE DARK SKIN AFRICAN TRIBES LIVING IN AMERICA TODAY WOULD BE APPRECIATED, APPROPRIATE, AND GRATITUDE WOULD SHOW THEM HOW TO ACTUALLY BECOME AN AMERICAN.

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

@Charles Omana WHOSE COUNTY IS RUN AND DOMINATED BY BLACK DEMOCRAT CORRUPT OFFICIALS WHO MAKE SURE THAT ONLY BLACK FOLKS GET HIRED FOR COUNTY JOBS AND CONTRACTS....NONE OF THE WHITE RICH FOLKS NEED DALLAS TO BE RICH, BUT ALL OF THE BLACK POLITICIANS NEED STUPID BLACK VOTERS TO KEEP IN POWER.

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

@dominicide1 YEAH, YOUR TYPE DID THE EAST DALLAS THING, AND THE URBAN PIONEER THING, NOW A RUN AROUND SOUTH DALLAS AND OAK CLIFF SO YOU CAN PRETEND BEING A BROKE WORTHLESS WHITE PERSON IS GREAT IF YOU CAN RUB ON THE POOR MINORITIES AND WORSHIP A TREE OR SOME ZOO.

JSSS
JSSS

"Yes, the schools suck and there is a security problem" -- and that exactly is why no one with a family wants to live there. 

ruddski
ruddski

Secretly, they like living in low-crime, vast-majority white hoods where people park their car in the garage. Secretly, really.

Vinny-n-Dallas
Vinny-n-Dallas

That's a silly thing to say.  How often do you truly go to museums, theaters and the zoo?  Although I love those things, like most people, those were not daily or even monthly excursions for us. I'm sure we'll visit them as often as we did when we lived in Dallas. And quite honestly, where do you think the majority of the people live who visit these Dallas institutions?

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

@leftocenter YOU BETTER THANK GOD FOR THE "BUBBLE"...OR YOU COULD MOVE TO DETROIT OR CALIFORNIA AND IMMERSE THEM ALL IN HORSE SHAT RIGHT NOW.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@leftocenter what utter crap.  I grew up in a small rural western colorado town.  We had one, just one, black in the county and he lived way the hell out in the sticks.  He was the biggest redneck around.  I was neither disadvantaged nor culture shocked when stepping out into the big, bad world.  Why, you ask?  Not sure, but I'd guess it had a lot to do with actively involved parents, being taught proper manners and growing up believing everyone is essentially the same, regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity.  Or maybe it was the lack of suitable activities for teenagers; we spent most of our summers either working or making black powder.....'fireworks'...

ruddski
ruddski

If you're surrounded by the children of successful, wealthy people in schools that cater to them, you're more likely to attain a higher education level and higher earnings.

The advantage to growing up in black and/or Latino neighborhoods is learning how to live as a white person in a high crime area with more dysfunctional people.

Blacks prefer to live among blacks, Latinos prefer Latino neighbors, I'm white and I prefer to live in white neighborhoods.

JMFitzmaurice
JMFitzmaurice

@Vinny-n-Dallas Theatre, at least weekly often more. Zoo, depends on time of year, but several times a month. Museums a couple times a week now the DMA is free. I agree Dallas needs more middle class housing, but when people say they couldn't find an affordable home with good schools in Dallas, I often think they are leaving out a silent, "well over 2,000 square feet." If someone wants 2,500-4,000 square feet in good schools in Dallas for the price they can get it in the suburbs... well that isn't going to happen. I live in a great neighborhood with good schools (this old holuse picked it as one of their best neighborhoods for families a few years back), but we are a neighborhood of 13,00 - 18,00 square foot homes - with  a few outliers either side of that. To those of us that live here the smaller house is a worthwhile tried off to be a couple miles from White Rock Lake, Downtown, Deep Ellum, The arts district, etc. To others the larger house is more important. That is fine, but it bugs me when people act as though the large New Dallas style house is such a givn requirement it isn't worth stating as part of the reason they chose not to live in the city.  I'm not saying you were doing that, I have no idea, which is why I asked. I've heard people say ,"not a huge place" to mean they want something around 1400 square feet, or that they could "get by" with 3000.

worldofbong
worldofbong

Anybody who goes to the zoo weekly must really love the smell of poop.

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anon
anon

@Vinny-n-Dallas My family goes to the zoo and arboretum at least weekly, even in the summer. We go to the Perot at least once a month. We go to the flight museum a couple times a month (especially in summer, although we mostly just use it to let the kids play indoors). If I had to commute in to these places from even Las Colinas, I'd stay home because sometimes after only 30 minutes you've got to turn around and go home. We've got young kids with unpredictable moods, unpredictable weather, and the fact that you never know if there is going to be a crowd or school group that makes the spots unbearable for the day. We're no more than 12-15 minutes (and I'm talking door to door, not driving time) from any of these places and we have memberships, so it's not a total loss of time or money if the day doesn't work out like you want. 

I'm sure the suburbs has similar attractions, especially for children. My point was simply to say that people who are willing to pay a premium to live closer in are typically the type of people who make use of the amenities they've paid to live around. 

I will, for the record, completely agree that close in Dallas doesn't have anything to offer middle class families. There are no reasonably priced homes in decent neighborhoods with decent schools. And even if you don't have kids, the lack of schools limits resale value so you still have to care. But this is a national problem that is happening in all major cities. Demographic changes have made the center cities significantly more attractive faster than many of the services, infrastructure, and institutions (like public schools) to keep up.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@leftocenter yeah, sorry, that came out a lot bitchier than I intended.  I blame it on Bush.

leftocenter
leftocenter

Thanks RT!  Nice of you :).  BTW, I didn't ask...

Difference?  Growing up rural (as I also did) and growing up insulated and surrounded by suburban affluence are very different experiences.  Hope you have all your fingers after those fireworks! 

I wish you the best.

Americano
Americano

@paulpsycho78 @ruddski  

Eugenics is alive and kicking everyday Planned Parenthood is open.  It was started to limit the number of black children born in America.  ruddski is only voicing a normal human feeling, which is on display all over the World.

paulpsycho78
paulpsycho78

@ruddski glad to see eugenics is still alive and well....care to examine your great great great great granddaddies slave's skull again?  "See that bump right there that made Jim subservient."

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