Mayor Mike's Plan to Keep "Extremists" from the JFK 50th: Does It Include Him?

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Plans for the 50th anniversary of the murder of President John F. Kennedy at Dealey Plaza in Dallas just got weirder by one whole magnitude. Yesterday Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings unveiled a process that will make security much tighter for the ceremony next November than security would be for a speech by a living president.

This is about a dead president. He won't be there. He's dead. He has been dead for half a century. That's what the ceremony is about.

The plan announced by Rawlings requires people who want to attend the event to apply for tickets months in advance so an entity which the city so far has refused to name can vet them for "extremist ties." I'm pretty sure the unnamed entity doing the vetting is a public relations company, which should pretty much tell you what's really going on here.

But wait. We still need to deal with the weird factor first before diving into details. Mr. Mayor, this is for you. Who are you protecting? Who is it who requires all of this crazy background checking and cop presence? What are we trying to make up for here? It looks like Dallas is trying to show it's not going to allow the assassination to happen again.

First of all, it can't happen again. He's dead. I already said that, didn't I? Sorry. But I'm getting weirded out by this for some reason I can't quite put my finger on yet.

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Some call it concertina wire. We call it "rolling out the Dallas welcome mat."
Take a second with me. The accusation of history is not that Dallas allowed it to happen. The accusation is that Dallas did it. If we really want to correct the record somehow, the best way would be not to shoot any more presidents.

Go ahead, dismiss the accusation as unfair and crazy and based on nothing. I won't even argue that with you. But you can only make that argument insofar as the accusation is conspiratorial. You'd be right: Nobody has ever proved anybody in Dallas was in on a conspiracy.

The more powerful and unsettling accusation is that Dallas did it, because Dallas leaders in the early '60s fostered and fomented an atmosphere of political extremism that had to produce a Lee Harvey Oswald sooner or later. The late Stanley Marcus made that argument to me personally in an interview for a book.

So all of this vetting and the fences and the storm troopers and stern warnings and background checks by a PR company. What do you think that looks like, Mr. Mayor? In fact, forget what it looks like. What do you think it is? It's exactly the same kind of weird, parochial, off-the-charts, intolerant extremism that produced the assassination in the first place.

Is that what's got me so weirded out? Somehow, by some hook or crook, in a series of events and behaviors that simply defy reason, you are doing exactly what you want to avoid. You are doing it again.

Yes. You are doing it again. Dallas is displaying the same kind of intolerant jack-boot authoritarian intolerance that it did a half century ago when it was a petri dish for the infection called Lee Harvey Oswald. And, believe me, none of the world press you are so damned worried about will miss that story.

You have been quoted saying that no tickets will go to people deemed by your PR company to have "extremist ties." That's you. None of you, not you Mr. Mayor, not any of your special committee members, none of you should get tickets by this metric, because your whole approach to this event -- a public gathering in a public place to observe and talk about public history -- is extremist to the nth degree.
If you want to screen the crowd for pressure-cooker bombs -- you invoked the Boston Marathon -- do it. Do it that day, at the event. I suspect you'll have to do it anyway. Listen, there is a deep historical record here to show what you really want to do. This is content-based suppression of free speech to keep assassination conspiracy theorists away from the international press you think will show up for the 50th.

Why do you think you have the right to do that? This isn't your event. It doesn't belong to you. It belongs to the public. But you don't believe that, do you? You guys handed out press materials yesterday amounting to five pages of information. I counted six times in those five pages when you said the event will be "paid for by private donations."

You said it six times in five pages. Paid for. What the hell do you think that means? You think you bought it? You think you own the event because of your money? That's obscene, and it's obscene in exactly the same way the atmosphere here was obscene 50 years ago.

Go ahead and surround Dealey Plaza with literal or figurative concertina wire. As I have said here before, it will be a marvelous example of people playing to their own stereotype. Count on lots of street theater. You are making this a much better story for those visiting reporters by making it a much worse one for yourselves.

Oh, I know why it's spooking me so much. Decades ago I covered a story where they dug up Lee Harvey to see if he was really Lee Harvey. They took him to the Dallas County Medical Examiners Office, where the examiner found that he was Lee Harvey. But in the process they brought the stiff back through Dealey Plaza in a coffin in the world's most bizarre motorcade, of which my own vehicle was a part.

You're not thinking ... you wouldn't ... no, you can't even be considering ,,, OMG! Somebody! Call Arlington National Cemetery! Tell them to post extra guards!



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123morrow
123morrow

Lyndon Johnson murdered John Kennedy. He had plenty of help.

Robert Caro describes the LBJ-RFK relationship post 1960 Democratic convention, where RFK had moved heaven and earth attempting to keep LBJ off the 1960 Democratic ticket. Robert Caro:

John Connally, who during long days of conversation with this author was willing to answer almost any question put to him, no matter how delicate the topic, wouldn't answer when asked what Johnson said about Robert Kennedy. When the author pressed him, he finally said flatly: "I am not going to tell you what he said about him." During the months after the convention, when Johnson was closeted alone back in Texas with an old ally he would sometimes be asked about Robert Kennedy. He would reply with a gesture. Raising his big right hand, he would draw the side of it across the neck in a slowing, slitting movement. Sometimes that gesture would be his only reply; sometimes, as during a meeting with Ed Clark in Austin, he would say, as his hand moved across his neck, "I'll cut his throat if it's the last thing I do."[Robert Caro, "The Passage of Power," p. 140]

123morrow
123morrow

"The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ" by Roger Stone is going to be 2013's blockbuster book on the JFK assassination. The reason the Dallas "elite" are so sensitive about the JFK assassination is because LBJ and the Dallas, TX oil inner circle of LBJ (think HL Hunt, Clint Murchison, DH Byrd) used their military intelligence/CIA connections to murder John Kennedy for many reasons. The children and friends of these murderers have legacies and reputations to protection. That is the reason for all the weird authoritarian behavior surrounding the 50th and exhibited by the Mayor's office. GHW Bush was either involved in the JFK assassination as a CIA operative or he can walk you through the whole thing A to Z. Gen. Curtis LeMay was quite tight with HL Hunt & DH Byrd; LeMay and Gen. Edward Lansdale were both almost certainly involved in JFK's murder. LeMay famously referred to the Kennedys as "cockroaches" and "ruthless" with low "moral standards" in his oral history with the LBJ Library.

Herc130
Herc130

The Dallas City fathers and the current political machinery cannot not afford to have the JFK matter looked at too close, today.  Its not because of the JFK assassination, completely, but what a strong investigation into that matter and the south knoll would reveal about Dallas City politics, its PD, and the Texas political structure, during the war years,  the 60's civil rights era, and on into  the Cold War years of the sixties.   Dallas has a lot of sins to hide and some of them are still scattered along the banks of the Trinety River.   If that information was confirmed, beyond a reasonable doubt, that would establish the fact that the Dallas PD has had a military style 'clean-up- crew' in place working special political assignments for a 'selected' few insiders  deeply connected to Texas politics.
This south knoll shooter is the key into that can of worms.  If, in fact, the south knoll shooter is confirmed by an 'unbiassed scientific  community' and other establish and adopted forensic techniques, then I can see why Dallas is in damage control mode at the moment.  It appears to me Sherry Fiester's work 'Enemy of Truth' is on track to open that 'can of worms'.  This is a dangerous move on all who investigate the south knoll..
If there is solid confirmation from multiple, creditable source, of a second shooter located at the south knoll proves only one thing; conspiracy.  Now that thats out of the way, I have to ask, like others;  'Who, and where did he, the shooter, come from'.  'Who set the operation in motion and why?'  'What did Dallas PD and other officials  know at the time?' When and from who?  ... that would be but a few small examples of the numerous questions that would be ask of the current Dallas City fathers and other Texas political figures.  It would be extremely embarrassing for Dallas authorities to have this revealed to Dallas citizens and the general public.  That is why Dallas is forced to continue the cover up and divert attention away from their prior knowledge concerning the Kennedy assassination.
Again, big IF (at the moment)  this exposure of a second shooters existence would soon be connected to Dallas politics and Texas military operatives working out of Dallas's Love Field's 4th Army Intel. This Intell had direct connections to the Chicago mob.  ..some in Dallas politics referenced this activity as "The Texas Syndicate, as far back as the late thirties and early forties. 
 Now again, that said, I do not mean that LBJ orchestrated the attack, or that LBJ was aware or even knew about it... that would be speculation on my part and make me a "conspiracy theorist".  I am not fond of JFK speculations and those wild theories of conspiracy.
None the less, the south knoll shooter is the key to the JFK mystery, and has been for almost fifty years.  Anything else, or other shooters in the Plaza was only a diversion.  The 'south knoll shooter' was the primary assassin and Dallas politics knew it. The strategy employed by Dallas and Texas politics worked.  In fact.  Its worked well for almost fifty years. 
 However, I stand behind all my previous statements given to law enforcement, Senate investigators, and others, these past 55 years, even tho some of those previous statements are still classified, and still  go 'un noticed' or investigated, because of "National Security classifications..   The most important matter for Dallas authorities today, is to make sure the second shooter is NOT Id'ed.  IF the south knoll underpass shot is confirmed, then the JFK matter will have to be looked at with a fine tooth comb.  (a Texas expression)be safe and take care, Tosh   

donsbasement
donsbasement

I will let you know what happened in Dallas. One of my right wing birther friends gave me Bill O'Reilly's book, "Killing Kennedy."

brookethecrook2011
brookethecrook2011

I contacted the Mayor's office a couple of times about this issue.  What I got was put on the email list for the Mayor's coming events.  The only extremist behavior I see is the way the Mayor and "His Group" are behaving.  Maybe the Mayor could allow all to attend than the police can pick everyone up on an outstanding warrant and the only people remaining will be the newsmen from around the world and the "special committee members."  I very much wanted to come to Dallas this November to remember President Kennedy.  But my money wouldn't see the Dallas Texas sun. I worked with people in denial for 23 years.  The reality is, the Mayor MUST totally block researchers from the media. GOOD GOD, LEE OSWALD WASN'T EVEN ON A WATCH LIST DESPITE ATTEMPTING TO RENOUNCE US CITIZENSHIP, MARRING A RUSSIAN WOMAN, WILLING TO GIVE RUSSIA INFORMATION CONCERNING HIS JOB IN THE USMC AS A RADIO COMMUNICATION MAN and HE RETURENED TO THE US ON A LOAN FROM THE US GOVERNMENT.  Yes, the Mayor has been pushed into the corner with a dunce cap on while over 70% of Americans believe others were involved with the murder. 

wcvemail
wcvemail

For those of you who have presented some diligent and otherwise-convincing conspiracy research here, there's one major block in my mind to accepting that the assassination was a conspiracy. How could all these people have kept the silence about the conspiracy for all these years? Whether in a deathbed confession, or in live bed "pillow talk," or as an offering to reduce other charges, nobody has presented credible proof of their participation in such a wide-ranging conspiracy, to my knowledge. How could that be?

Granted that the Mafia's then-sacrosanct omerta policy of silence may have been even stronger than a U.S. government oath to confidentiality, there must have been dozens if not hundreds of bit players such as drivers, expeditors, gofers and the like. Some stories have surfaced over the years, and there did seem to be a statistically anomalous frequency of tragic accidents that befell some suspects, but still -- nobody talked or showed at all?

copa
copa

The assassination of President Kennedy has invited everything from official cover-up to high weirdness paranoia, both on the part of a misinformed public and government officials.

There are serious researchers into the case, including medical, forensic and ballistics
experts and scholars who have worked to free the classified files,
rewrite history from the new and old evidence and present the latest
and best facts at the annual COPA conferences in Dallas (see
www.politicalassassinations.com). The serious researchers have held a Moment of Silence on the Grassy Knoll every November 22nd since 1964, and have spoken truth to power.

Yes, there are "nutters" too, with
baseless conspiracy theories. But the real evidence proves conspiracy
in the shooting, planning and cover-up and we know much more after 50
years and 85% of Americans agree that the Warren Commission got it
wrong in recent polls. We know now who killed President Kennedy and
why.

It does no good to psychoanalyze Oswald since he was not on the
sixth floor of the Book Depository at 12:30 pm, did not own the
alleged murder weapon, and did not shoot anybody that day, as he said
to the press before Ruby killed him. He was a patsy.

There was a
culture and mood of hatred and extremism in Dallas in 1963, but
Kennedy was also greeted warmly by thousands who lined the streets to
see him in the motorcade that day. Nellie Connally, the Governor’s
wife, turned to President Kennedy in the limousine to say, "Well,
Jack, you can't say that Dallas doesn't love you," just moments before
he was shot. The Dallas police and press did a poor job of
investigating, interrogation, arrest and protection of the sole
suspect, and of covering the story after that.

The Mayor and the rich
people in Dallas want to get over the shame of being the "City of
Hate" by capturing the world press that will come to Dealey Plaza on
November 22 on the 50th anniversary and freezing time at the Nellie
Connally quote, as we wish we could. To do so they must not mention
the assassination, even if that's what is bring the press.

They
planned this event specifically from the start to ban the
"conspiracists" and the American people who agree with them from
speaking or being visible on the Grassy Knoll that day. That is the
real "background check" for a ticket, that and being a resident of
Dallas, who they want there in unlikely large numbers, while locking
out thousands others.

Then, they want to hold a Moment of Silencing"
that they hope will extend the denial into a Perpetuity of Silence
about the truth behind the assassination. They claim to want to honor
the life and legacy of a president who they do not even accord the
respect of an apology for not helping to solve his murder, nor any
wish or effort to reopen the cold case at this point.

Sadly, if the
Mayor would call for release of all Dallas records, for residents with
information to come forward now, and open a serious grand jury
investigation into the case, Dallas would get the reprieve it wants
and the acclaim of the press and the American people.

Dealey Plaza is
a designated historical site and a public park, both of which protect
First Amendment rights in local and federal courts and prohibit
content-based denials of free speech, including refusing a legal
permit for our traditional event and now banning "signs, banners,
bullhorns and megaphones" to anyone allowed into Dealey Plaza this
year. This is what they will be checking backpacks for, not guns but
explosive ideas. What are they so afraid of?

In the last analysis,
Dealey Plaza at all times and especially on this 50th anniversary
belongs to the American people, to history and to the world that we
inherited after the assassination of a president who was our last best
hope for social justice and world peace. His death was soon followed
by the murders of major civil rights leaders and his own brother who
wanted to reopen the case and carry out his agendas. All these
leaders, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Robert F. Kennedy
also wanted to end the war in Vietnam and address the violence of
poverty in America. Along with the leaders, hope and democracy died in
this years and can only be restored by solving and facing the meaning
of those crimes.

I hope the people of Dallas will tell their Mayor to start and end his
event before 12:00 pm so that all of us can be together on the Grassy
Knoll that day to remember our history and exercise our inalienable
First Amendment rights of assembly and free speech without restriction
of law of state force. Whatever happens we will be visible that day in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 pm because we know the whole world is watching.

John Judge, COPA, Washington, DC

WhiteWhale
WhiteWhale

Has the Observer Staff applied for their tickets yet?  That accepted or turned down is good for numerous articles.

feldnick
feldnick

The irony is like a tsunami. The more that 'someone' tries to uncouple Dallas from the ignominy of "the city that killed Kennedy", the more that Dallas is bound face-to-face with the corpse of JFK. 

don.abbott
don.abbott

Big, really big events in American history are the theatrical equivalent of walking to the microphone and  introducing the main event:  war.  Dallas didn't spawn LHO, Kennedy drove into an ambush that if it didn't go down here, it would have gone down in Miami or Seattle.  In fact, there were probably sharpshooters in Honolulu earlier in '63 and they got a little too laid back to show up for work.  JFK was an impediment to an important war, he was never going to make it to the fall of '64.  Jack Ruby was about as sentimental to and protective of Jackie as a wild pig.  He was told either Lee goes or you go.  Dealey Plaza on the weekend after the kabuki theater of the 22nd will have thousands of people who are either crazy or rightfully suspicious of a government that is consuming America, what's left of it.

Obummer
Obummer

Yo call me if ya wants some beer diplomacy.

Einstein
Einstein

Jim, when you call half the population extremists the term loses its edge, not to mention that you are wrong by definition.  Let me lay it out for you:  People who bomb and kill others for political reasons = Extremists.  Mayor of Dallas elected by a majority of voters = Not Extremist.

joseph
joseph

With all the mass shootings and violence  that we've had lately I hope the background checks are done by the FBI and not a PR firm. With all this trying to make this a political event it seems like it would be really enticing to a nutter of whatever persuasion with delusions of grandeur wanting to associate himself with an important bit of history.

As for "Dallas did this", I lived in Dallas at the time and I had nothing to do with it. Oh wait, I also lived in New Orleans where Oswald's ideas were formed. I must be guilty!

Dallas nutters have always been overwhelmingly right wingers with a simplistic ideology that is boring as rain. New Orleans on the other hand, has always had a wider, more colorful array of nutters with belief systems often tinged with voodoo. Any one interested, I recommend reading John Kennedy O'toole's 'Confederacy of Dunces".

As for celebrating the assassinations of Julius Caesar and Archduke Ferdinand: I'm in!

Also. please sign the petition to recall and remove Mike Rawlings.  It's important

EricCeleste
EricCeleste

Isn't this like having a party at a strip club but trying to keep the horny people out? I mean, nutjobs are the JFK industry's *base*.

animas
animas

Am I missing something?  Who holds "anniversarys" for assasinated heads of state?  Are we to be treated to a "get together"  for Lincoln's   150th assasination in Wash DC in two years?  Will interested parties feel slighted if Garfield or Mckinley are not  similarly memorialized?  As long as we are on the subject, how about Arch Duke Ferdinand?  Julius Ceasar? (Are there bids for the catering contracts for these things?)

if6were9
if6were9

When the 100th anniversary rolls around I believe we'll have all these kinks figured out, and we'll settle for just a fire works explosion extravaganza, sell some funnel cakes and call it a day. Yay us!

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

"So all of this vetting and the fences and the storm troopers and stern warnings and background checks by a PR company. What do you think that looks like, Mr. Mayor? In fact, forget what it looks like. What do you think it is? It's exactly the same kind of weird, parochial, off-the-charts, intolerant extremism that produced the assassination in the first place."

Sounds a lot like the gun control measures proposed by certain Democrats in the Senate and House.

Back to reality, though, Dallas is really doing everything possible to screw the pooch on this one.  What are they afraid of?  Your amusing pondering aside, all appearances say the powers that be are scared to death of what might happen if the serfs are allowed a day without political hindrance or restriction.  Your conclusions, I might debate.  Your question: What are they hiding? is facially valid and needs to be answered.

parisrec
parisrec

At first I thought--Oh Boy every paranoid schizophrenic for 50 miles around will show up etc.. But then it occured to me: Why are we even having an official ceremony? Some kind of city P.R. ?? That's way weird.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

A very close observer of these events has pointed out to me that the list of things that will not be allowed in the plaza is somewhat spooky itself, including a ban on umbrellas. Kind of an inside assassination conspiracy joke I guess. But he also pointed out that the list does not say you will be prohibited from bringing a gun. Scary. Anybody could pick pick up a 6.6 mm Carcano Model 91/38 for about two hundred bucks at a gun auction. Could they should add that specific model in with the umbrellas without running afoul of the NRA?

copa
copa

@feldnick There is a way out if Dallas really wants to prove they love(d) Kennedy, and it will get them the international acclaim and positive press they so desire. To reach the "catharsis" the Mayor wants, Dallas first has to confess its botched arrest and investigation in 1963 and the framing of the patsy Lee Harvey Oswald who did not shoot anyone that day. Mayor Rawlings could call for a reopening of the cold case, as has been done with civil rights leaders like Medgar Evers from that era, call for full release of all Dallas and Texas state records on the assassination, call for witnesses or people with information to come forward now and open a Grand Jury investigation where real evidence can be presented. That's how you honor the life and legacy of President Kennedy and confront the coup d'etat that stole our democracy that day. John Judge, COPA

director21
director21

@don.abbott While I agree with much of what you stated your take on Ruby and Oswald is way off base.

Oswald was a CIA double agent to Russia, which is why he was given Russian language training in the military. Your average grunt does not get that type of training - EVER! He also guided U-2 flights out of Sakhalin Island, where we spied on Russia. Oswald was set up, and like he said, "I am just a patsy." He knew he was dead and there was nothing he could do about it, but he had no role in the assassination of Kennedy.

Ruby was the Mafia bagman for the DPD, and he was dying of cancer at the time he killed Oswald. He had easy access to the sallyport at DPD headquarters at a time when nobody should have been able to gain access there. He knew that he would never live to stand trial. He fulfilled his role in the assassination and coverup.

The hit was a Mafia assassination contrived by the CIA because (1) the Mafia hated Kennedy for not ousting Castro who had taken their assets and kicked them out of Cuba after batista was overthrown, and (2) the CIA hated Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs Invasion that failed due to not having air cover. It took somebody besides Lee Harvey Oswald to change Kennedy's parade route at the last minute after his plane had already landed at Love Field so that he would have to slow to make a 90 degree right turn onto Houston Street and then a 120 degree left turn toward the triple underpass. A sniper cannot  guarantee a hit on a target moving faster than about 13 mph. The motorcade slowed to about 7-8 mph turning in front of the Texas School Book Depository.

There was triangulated fire from the second floor of the County Records building, a manhole cover in front of the triple underpass and the grassy knoll, the latter being the location of the kill shot. Numerous Marine and Army expert snipers attempted to duplicate the four shots from the Manlicher Carcano rifle like "Lee Oswald used" and none was ever able to squeeze off four shots in five seconds. Besides, the live oak trees blooming there would have prevented a clear shot from the sixth floor of the TSBD anyway.

But, you are right that Dallas was hardly the only planned assassination site. It's just the one that happened to come together just right. Kennedy was killed by a frontal rifle shot to the right temple, which is why his head snapped backward on impact. Jackie climbed onto the read deck of the limo to retrieve a piece of his skull that was blown off.

And, for the record, I was there on the day it happened. The Warren Commission report was the biggest load of bullshit ever passed off as a comprehensive investigation in the history of mankind. Lyndon Johnson sealed the records so that anybody with any direct knowledge of the event would be long dead before the truth came out.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@Einstein 

You are definitely kidding yourself if you think this behavior regarding the Dealey Plaza thing is something "half the population" would do. Nobody would do this. It's wierd. 

casiepierce
casiepierce

@joseph"As for "Dallas did this", I think you are completely missing Jim's point. 

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@animas 

Plus, they won't say what it's for. They just call it "The 50th." The official explanation, taken from their hand-out yesterday, is "A serious, understated and respectful commemoration in tribute to our nation's 35th president, 'The 50th' will honor Kennedy's life and legacy of leadership." First off, it sounds like an outtake from the movie, "Bernie." If you know in advance it's going to be understated, state it up a little.  Get it right. But more to the point: if it's a celebration of his life, why is it in Dallas? All he did here was get shot. As John Judge of COPA said to me yesterday, "If you were going to celebrate Abraham Lincoln's life, would you do it at the Ford Theater?"   

russp
russp

@animas 

When you have nothing good to celebrate, you have to have some excuse to try to get people to show up in your city.


primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

Maybe they will have a reenactment ride for the 22nd Century tourists.

wcvemail
wcvemail

@parisrec Self-fulfilling worry: nutters will show up precisely because of attempts to keep them out. "See?! See?!" is gonna be a heckuva cry as they're barred and then arrested for refusing to respond to police orders, or the like.

joseph
joseph

@JimSX Unfortunately I think our concealed Weapons law won't allow them to ban guns. How crazy is that? You can ban umbrellas but not guns.

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

No umbrellas? Even if it rains?

drtz
drtz

@JimSX Don't worry about the umbrella thing, my tinfoil hat picked up a signal from the top-secret weather control devices and informed me that 'they' are making sure it won't rain on the big day.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@copa @feldnick 

This is a serious idea. I hope you will pursue it by challenging Dallas to open, rather than close the conversation. You are clearly right: the only way Dallas will ever shed this shadow will be by cleansing the wound with sunlight.

copa
copa

@director21 @don.abbott  We got all those records and 6 million pages plus out with the JFK Records Act and everyone is not yet dead. We know far more now than we did 50 years ago but the Mayor wants a Moment of Silencing more than he wants the truth. John Judge, COPAS

Einstein
Einstein

@JimSX @Einstein  I agree with you that it is weird.  By definition it is not extremism, but you did craft an effective headline based on the number of comments.

MissMacy
MissMacy

@JimSX @animas I agree with you one thousand percent. Dallas is the LAST place that should promote a celebration of JFK's life. He didn't live here; he was murdered here. Holy crap.

animas
animas

Exactly!   The entire concept is gauche. I think that Joseph (above) is on to something.  Namely, New Orleans embraces their eccentrics.  The appropriate gesture to mark this occasion would be a Sazerac or two at Galatoires with a quiet toast to Jim Garrison.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@joseph @JimSX 

I can actually give you a good website for those Carcanos.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

@primi_timpano 

They could be worried about an invasion by English nannies drifting down from the clouds. 

copa
copa

@JimSX @copa @feldnick Please tell the Mayor what you think, I already have. I have pushed for 45 years to release the files, study the evidence and reopen this case.

copa
copa

@director21 @copa @don.abbott The records of the Warren Commission and the later House Select Committee on Assassinations have already been released due to the efforts of COPA researchers who helped pass the JFK Assassination Records Act that freed over 6.5 million pages to date. Not everything is loose, but what has been released backs up Jim Garrison's case (see film JFK) and rewrites the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis history. Actually the decision to leave the weather bubble off the car was made at a meeting in advance where the route was also changed in a way not allowed by Secret Service procedue. It was Elizabeth Forsling from an ad agency that suggested removing the top despite the chance of rain that morning, from Sol Bloom Agency. I do not agree with your identification of the "tramps" but it is of little matter. There were multiple shooters and Oswald was not one of them. Our conference that weekend is called "50 Years of Denial is Enough! Free the Files, Find the Truth". For more see www.politicalassassinations.com. John Judge, COPA

director21
director21

@copa @director21 @don.abbott I agree 100%. The records are sealed until either 2025 or 2035 (I don't remember which), but some of those who are still alive have been talking as they approach their deathbeds, so we have, indeed, learned a lot more than was previously known.

However, some of us knew in 1963 that most of what we were being told was bullshit. I was there! Nobody talks about the Secret Service only having 7 people on the ground that day, or that the limo driver almost completely stopped the vehicle immediately before the kill shot hit Kennedy from the grassy knoll, after which time he sped away. I always wondered why he would have done that.

The decision to go without the bulletproof dome over the car was Kennedy's - he wanted to be more "accessible" to the people, and it cost him his life, but there was definitely a conspiracy that placed three shooters and at least a couple of spotters in strategic places, and which kept the DPD where they were out of the way while it happened. It is also more than coincidental that G. Gordon Liddy and Howard Hunt were present that day - they were the photographed "hobos" with razor cut hair and dress shoes that were seen near the rail yard behind the grassy knoll.

As to Mike Rawlings' intentions, only he knows, but nothing else he ever does makes sense to reasonable people, so why should this be any different. Rawlings is the puppet on the strings of the Dallas Citizens Council, and they all got their asses handed to them in this last City Council election. They have to see the handwriting on the wall and know they are losing control of the city thanks to more citizens getting involved. The fracing issue has proven that you CAN fight City Hall and you CAN win!

wcvemail
wcvemail

@James080 @don.abbott James, that's exactly where my credulousness ends. First, thought, not all these researchers and opinion-holders are "truly delusional," which is just as discussion-hindering as the rage from the true believers at us non-believers. In fact, there's impressive research on display here. I wonder what more research will see the light of day when the LBJ-imposed info quarantine expires.

But the dozens, if not hundreds, from all sorts of outfits from the Mafia to the intel agencies, from drivers and gofers to shooters, could not ALL have kept their peace for these years. Somebody, somewhere, sometime, would have presented some snip of proof, whether on a deathbed or in pillow talk or in an effort to get out of other charges.

What say you, diligent researchers? How could all these people have kept the silence about the conspiracy for all these years?

James080
James080

@don.abbott @James080  

You people are truly delusional. But you have created a cottage industry selling your disjointed tails of a conspiracy that never existed. The scenarios you boys champion would have require dozens, if not hundreds of conspirators, all keeping a secret for 50 years. Not bloody likely.

JimSX
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@Einstein @JimSX 

I don't do the headlines. There are people here whose work is to try to render my own work interesting. Without them I would be parking cars for a living. 

James080
James080

@animas  

Maybe end the whole affair with a fireworks show?

copa
copa

@wcvemail @James080 @JimSX That was a simulation alright, without any reference to reality or the facts. The first problem was that shots came from two opposite directions. The bullets did not match the gun ballistics or composition of shells. The scope of the gun was not aligned. The Italians recently tested a gun from the same batch and could not cycle the bolt twice in six seconds. The best Army marksmen at Edgewood Arsenal corrected the scope and fired at an enlarged head going half the speed from half the height and distance and could not hit it. Oswald did not own the gun and had not fired a rifle that day, nor was he on the sixth floor of the Book Depository when JFK was shot. Oswald was a lousy marksman in the Marines and never practiced since. But other than that, sure he COULD have done it according to your exacting scientific test. In reality he did not do it nor could anyone have done it with the alleged weapon.

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wcvemail

@James080 @JimSX  Not coincidentally, three of us experienced shooters conducted this experiment using a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano carbine, the bolt-action rifle model used/allegedly used by Oswald. We shot three rounds each at a paper plate 200 feet away. 3 shooters put in their first round, 1 scored his 2nd round as well, 2 shooters could not get off all three aimed rounds in 5.6 seconds. For the record, we were shooting slightly down, instead of more vertically as from a sixth-floor window, but we managed to simulate nearly everything else in that NE Tx pasture one Thanksgiving. And that's all I'm gonna say about that.

James080
James080

@JimSX @joseph  

Oh sure, but just try  getting three aimed shots off in 6 seconds....

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