Hundreds of Texas Women Put Up an Epic, All-Night Fight Against Proposed Abortion Restrictions

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The hearing of the Texas House State Affairs Committee meeting kicked off at 1 p.m. Thursday with a mere two items on the agenda: a pair of bills by Representative Jodie Laubenberg, a Republican from Parker with the modest aim of ending legal abortion in the Texas, or coming as close to that as possible.

The first bill was identical to a measure that passed the Senate on Wednesday. It would effectively shutter all but a small handful of abortion clinics by burying providers beneath a mountain of red tape and requirements that are not medically recommended. The other measure was a so-called fetal pain bill, which would put Texas among the first states to ban abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy, rather than the current 24, a provision that was struck from the final version of the Senate bill.

Both seemed poised to sail through the ultra-conservative House until the pro-choice crowd showed up. Hundreds of women, urged to show up at the Capitol by Planned Parenthood, Texas NARAL and the Texas Democratic Party, among others, gave three-minute stemwinders in the public comment period, urging lawmakers to quit meddling with their uteri.

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Here's a small sampling of the testimony, courtesy of RH Reality Check's Andrea Grimes' Twitter feed:

You get the idea. Testimony started Thursday afternoon, continued into the evening, and finally ended shortly after 3 a.m.. At some point, #HB60 started trending worldwide on Twitter.

Committee chairman Byron Cook, a Corsicana Republican, tried to shut down testimony around midnight, calling it "repetitive." The predictable swell of outrage that followed prompted Cook to reconsider, and he reopened the hearing.

The meeting adjourned with the State Affairs Committee taking no action on either bill. It's a clear victory for the legislation's opponents, but only a minor one. Neither the Texas legislature nor Rick Perry are about to let the bills die so easily.


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davebehrens
davebehrens

I am straight, white, male and Republican Atheist.  I'm also PRO CHOICE.

It seems to me that the three rules in the proposal do not limit women's ability to control their reproduction.  The rules are basic medical safety rules.  Clinics will have to upgrade their facilities to comply, or they will go out of business and other medical clinic entrepreneurs will take their places.  This is in reality an opportunity for those entrepreneurs willing to risk some money.

Mandi Worden
Mandi Worden

Sexism = Prejudice + power. Men still hold the power and are privileged over women as a class. Women are not capable of being sexist towards men. We CAN be prejudiced.. but not sexist. We have not been allowed that power. To borrow a quote that I have seen floating around for a while now “if you never had to actually have your rights voted on because you always had them by default i think it’s safe to say you can sit the fuck down” and correct me if I am wrong but you appear to be a straight white male which means you are one of the most privileged people in the world.

Mandi Worden
Mandi Worden

i'm not penalizing anyone. It's not my fault that you don't have the proper body parts to carry a child. when you do then you can have a say in the matter of abortion. the end. Also it is ABSOLUTELY still just my body, there just happens to be a fetus in it and if i don't want to carry around a fetus in my body then i am not going to.

Marvin Remmers
Marvin Remmers

It's not just your body anymore. Fathers should have equal rights. If you want to ask for special case exemptions like rape or the health of the mother, I'll listen. I don't think your husband would want you or the baby to die, so it's not like you are alone. Fathers don't have any choice over who carries the baby, so you can't penalize them for it.

amanuesis
amanuesis

Here's how to end welfare within the next generation. .. grind up the Plan B pill and stir it into the WIC milk. Thank you I'll be here all week!

amanuesis
amanuesis

I maintain my pro choice stance by pointing out, to myself, ten people who should have been aborted, every day. Usually, I knock this out by the time I've started my second cup of coffee. However, every once in a while, I may come up one short. Not to worry though, I just sigh and whisper two words to myself...rick perry, number ten. I always win that game.

ruddski
ruddski topcommenter

What is a "Black abortion provider"? A doc who specializes in yanking black fetal tissue?

pak152
pak152

so I guess these protesters were big supporters of Dr. Gosnell's operation?

PersistentID2345
PersistentID2345

I understand how this issue has supporters with strong opinions on both sides. 

I have a hard time giving any credence to over-the-top extremist voices on either side.

This piece seems to be one example of such in that it proclaims a bill designed for 'ending legal abortion in the Texas'. 

The piece is also completely oblivious as to the existence of Gosnell or Karpen, the two individuals who are the supposed impetus for the bill's formulation.

Karpen has not been charged with anything; Developments from yesterday on that situation:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/houston-police-investigate-doctor-accused-of-performing-late-term-abortions/-/1735978/20650942/-/114r8b5z/-/index.html

ruddski
ruddski topcommenter

Any educated guesses on who the first black prez would have been if abortion were legal in 1961?

Steve
Steve

Nice to see Andrea Grimes have a hit on her hands with "Girls" on HBO.

Einstein
Einstein

Repeal the 19th amendment!

Jennie Harding
Jennie Harding

Don't work that way, Marvin. Women have to carry it, women get to choose.

Mandi Worden
Mandi Worden

Carrying and delivering a child is not an easy thing to do Marvin. In fact it can be a terrible ordeal and/or dangerous for a lot of women. A man who has no comprehension of what pregnancy and labor can do to a woman should have no say in what I choose to do with my own body.

Brandon Von Black-Fist
Brandon Von Black-Fist

It's a good point, but consider the complete biological storm it puts the mother through. Carrying a baby does all kinds of things to a woman, men can't comprehend or even compare to. Also, a lot of the abortion issues is in response to getting pregnant through rape. Like how the rapist can sue the victim if she gets an abortion. And the restrictions are also attacking health issues like life and death situations when concerning the mother.

Alejandro Monjaras
Alejandro Monjaras

When we get to that point scientifically like "Junior" and the males can carry a child for nine months. That's when abortions debates will finally end lol

Marvin Remmers
Marvin Remmers

What about the father's rights? Any decision to kill the baby should be unanimous. If only one person wants the baby, let that person have it and be responsible for it.

Obummer
Obummer

Yo as long as Sandra Fluke be get’in her free birf controls pills what diff’ do it make?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

I love Miss Granny with the "shit" sign.  That's a gal after my own heart!

davebehrens
davebehrens

@Mandi Worden I wish I had had the 'right' NOT to be drafted for Vietnam, like my female high school classmates.  I wish I had the 'right' to whine and cry when accused of wrongdoing, and get a 'pussy pass' for my transgression.

No one gives you power, you have to take it.  In the US democracy, the majority has the power.  The US majority is female. Not seizing power when you are the majority in the US democracy is prima facie stupid and/or lazy.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Mandi Worden That is probably one of the most un-democratic things I've ever seen posted on this comment board.  One could just as easily say "If you've never taken an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, which guarantees your Right to blast idiotic comments into the interwebs, I can safely tell you to sit the fuck down."

baduserexperience
baduserexperience

@Mandi Worden You might be surprised to learn there are women in positions of power over men. You might further be surprised to learn others don't see the world in black and white. i.e., male versus female.

davebehrens
davebehrens

@Mandi Worden As a an 'all powerful' white male, I think you should have the absolute right to control your reproduction.  I'm definitely PRO CHOICE. You should consult with the male who impregnated you, but no one, including the male impregnator, should have any control over your body. This is a no brainer.

As an Atheist, I think major opposition to female control of their own bodies lies with religion.  You cannot be religious and believe that women are equal to men, not if you have even a brief acquaintance with Biblical teaching.

davebehrens
davebehrens

@Marvin Remmers It most certainly is a female.s body. I'm a white male.  I don't think I should have an equal say in reproduction decisions.

Fathers have very short involvement in reproduction, no involvement in gestation, no involvement in giving birth.  They are secondarily involved in nurturing their offspring; the mother is almost always the primary nurturer (can you breastfeed?).  Providing support for the offspring is the joint responsibility of the parents.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@DeathBreath The institution best suited for dealing with your particular brand of hate and spite is not the press, not the internet, not the church or the schools. It would be prison, hopefully preemptively.

ruddski
ruddski topcommenter

Death breath is one nasty piece of work. Bet he gets his ass kicked a lot, even by women.

ruddski
ruddski topcommenter

You're limited to one abortion per year.

DallasSportsPrincess
DallasSportsPrincess

@PersistentID2345 The state would go from having 47 clinics for women to 5.  They ARE trying to end legal abortion in Texas.  There are already laws on the books to deal with bad doctors.  God knows the GOP has worked hard enough to prove that when it comes to malpractice.  Conservatives can't have it both ways. 

monet3
monet3

@Obummer In my opinion, you are someone who should have been aborted, or at the very least,your mother should have used contraception. It's people like you who give abortion a good name. Viagra, Cialis, and high-levels of testosterone should be banned. Male contraception should be created. After all, a man can impregnate lots of women in one day--a woman can get pregnant only once every nine months. Men who rape and incest children, and murder them, should be castrated. Men have been blaming women and putting the responsibility of pregnancy on women since Adam and Eve, simply because biologically she carries it to term. In the Bible's version of Adam and Eve, she took the first bite of the apple. If the snake represents sexual urges, do you really think she took the first bite? Typical cowardly Adam, he put the blame on Eve rather than put her behind him to protect her from God's wrath, and say "I did it."

ruddski
ruddski topcommenter

Gotta wonder though, if abortion were legal when she was born would she be here today?Would you?

This was in reply to Catwoman, but it's here because shit comment software.

JSSS
JSSS

By "shit," I assume you and Miss Granny mean the killing of an unborn child?  Don't get me wrong -- I am in favor of abortion, mandatory sterilization, etc.  But turning a serious debate into a juvenile sign doesn't help the cause.

PersistentID2345
PersistentID2345

@DallasSportsPrincess @PersistentID2345 47 to 5 is a bit closer to reality than 'ending abortions in Texas'. Your argument concerning bad doctors is a good argument but it does not eliminate the extremely hard to ignore and relevant fact that some dude down in Houston running an abortion clinic is being investigated for murder as we learned just yesterday.

I was talking about credibility, not who is ultimately right or wrong on this issue.

ruddski
ruddski topcommenter

Barry's momma was a lib, sweets, and this question deals with liberal views in abortion, not color. Your latent racism is ugly.

nanarchist
nanarchist

@JSSS Actually, I think in this case the "shit" the sign refers to is stuff like these bills. 

ruddski
ruddski topcommenter

Yes, yes, likely no, probably not, probably around 20, the groundskeeper, no, ok.

monet3
monet3

@ruddski Do you care about the billions of people who have come before you since the beginning of time and of their accomplishments? Do they matter now? Will you care whether you were born or existed 500 years from now? Will anybody care? How many people, family members visit your grave after you are gone, and after they are gone, who will come to visit your grave? And if we should go by the way of the dinosaurs, will any of this matter? Something for you to think about--if you can.

ruddski
ruddski topcommenter

Actually, lemon-sucker, you can't know that. But I'll ask the same of you that I did the cat gal, would you be here?

Would anyone care?

DallasSportsPrincess
DallasSportsPrincess

@holmantx @CornyDoggy You really don't get laid much, do you holman? You be sure and go tell that woman at the bank she's just a slut who wants to be able to fuck like men.  Or your mother.  Your sister.  Be damn sure you tell your daughter (although, I seriously doubt a woman would want to give you children short of biblical slavery).  I think you should tell that to every woman you run into on the street.  Please. A little louder.  

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@primi_timpano In that case, the man has had a say in the outcome.  He'd be an idiot to agree to it, but, when the pants come off, what man isn't an idiot?

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@primi_timpano I don't argue against Child Support, ever.  I am took no side in my comment above.  I pay my own child support, in excess of what was decided in the divorce decree.  The argument is about Rights and Responsibilities. They go hand in hand.  If women want the sole right to terminate, without the father or HUSBAND (There are still husbands out there, and they're still men) having a say in the matter, then the financial responsibility for the child rests with the woman.  Twist the argument any disingenuous way you want, but rights without responsibilities is a runaway train that threatens to derail this country already.

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

RT, I see your point but symmetry is not always the basis for logic. Even if it were, the man could waive his "rights." E.g., just after the pants come off the woman could tell the guy "renounce your decision rights and affirm your support obligations." I don't think any man will oppose her choice under these circumstances.

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

Are you arguing against child support because only the woman has the legal right to terminate a pregnancy? You being sarcastic, RT?

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@observist @RTGolden1 @CornyDoggy @holmantx Holman has never put forth anything that indicates he thinks men should be absolved of responsibility.  However, even if he did, it doesn't negate the fact that for a certain segment of the Pro-Choice population, pro-choice means a choice free from personal responsibility.  My own argument is simple.  Either the man carries responsibility for the pregnancy AND gets a say in the outcome, OR he doesn't get a say in the outcome and therefore bears no responsibility.  Women, make up your minds, it is, as you say, your choice.

observist
observist topcommenter

@RTGolden1 @CornyDoggy @holmantx  Holman seems to think unwanted pregnancies are caused solely by slutty women, and that men's desire for a no-hassle fuck is just a sort of universal constant they can't be responsible for.  Responsibility is women's work, and every abortion is a woman's failure to be the cardigan-and-pearls good girl Holman thinks they should be

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@CornyDoggy @holmantx Holman, in his particularly grating way, is making a valid point; as is Honeybee in a more gracious way.  I support a woman's right to choose, but I give her the responsibility that goes with that right.  If it is a woman's choice, and ONLY a woman's choice, to carry to term or abort, then the responsibility for that child is the woman's, and ONLY the woman's.  If the father wants to step in after the birth and support the child, fine.  Oh yeah, and take the taxpayers off the hook if Dad decides to skip.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@CornyDoggy @holmantx

Good grief.  (Adult) Women are charged with the responsibility of procreation and the perpetuation of the species.  Women do the heavy lifting no doubt. 

But what they are demanding is to abdicate that chore in no more than the blink of an eye because women want to be on par with the guys – a no hassle fuck.  Careless women want it as easy to flush as deciding paper or plastic.  A loudmouth few want the elasticity of the decision strung out to the ninth month just in case the guy might be a decent breadwinner over the taxpayer.  Unfortunately, society breaks down when minors are left to decide the fate of the world.  

Reality check – the biggest threat to the American woman’s “independence” is what your momma told you all along.  Don’t flatback across the county if you don’t want to bear children alone. It’s why we call it the mating game.  And wrapped around that kabuki fan dance is the ancient ritual called courtship and marriage (gasp!).  Unless, of course, you place all your costume jewelry on the nose of a government horse.  A U-neck nag that is destined to fall down in the turn toward the exit barn.

CornyDoggy
CornyDoggy

 @holmantx 

holman it's pretty hard to take any of your economic/political opinions seriously when you post crap like this.

The world isn't black and white dude, and you don't have everything figured out.  How about being a little more intellectually humble? 

Honeybee
Honeybee

@holmantx @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @nanarchist This point about how men have no say in whether the child lives or dies but are expected to pay up if the mother picks "lives" is really valid.

Pro-choice women need to figure this out.  Lots of us have daughters, but lots of us also have sons and we want their rights and interests protected as well.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz @nanarchist 

The issue is not whether the fetus is alive, but only if the chick wants it.

Only women get to play God by God.  

one of their God-given rights, I suppose.  Unless they want it then they either go look for that basterd man or hang the invoice on the taxpayer.

Let's face it.  Women want abortion on demand for any reason, or no reason at all and they want it for free.  

And the biggest reason to abort?  

Bad hair day and the spectre their post-birth figure won't attract the next sucker.

Get a life.

In fact get two.

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