Who Died and Made the Sixth Floor Museum the King of Dealey Plaza?

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Last night the history group called Preservation Dallas gave a special award to Lindalyn Adams, one of the people who created The Sixth Floor, the Kennedy assassination museum downtown.

That's great. She deserves it. Now I want to know why The Sixth Floor got Robert Groden thrown in the slammer.

Groden is a best-selling author whose books argue that the killing of the president in Dallas a half century ago was a conspiracy. On weekends, when tourists, including plenty of assassination buffs, flock to downtown to visit Dealey Plaza where it happened, Groden sets up a table there and lectures and sells books and videos. After ticketing, arresting and jailing him on multiple occasions over the years, the city of Dallas has backed off, apparently agreeing with Groden's lawyers that he was never breaking the law in the first place.

But Groden still has a federal civil rights lawsuit against the city plodding its way slowly through the court system. I hope someday the lawsuit will answer my question.
In today's Dallas Morning News story about the award for Adams, the executive director of the museum, Nicola Longford, makes a statement that is quite telling, if you're as close to this stuff as I have been. It's your typical Morning News party-pix happy-talk everybody's-just-GRAND-GRAND story, in which Longford says, "The Sixth Floor has a collective responsibility to maintain the landmark district site."

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Robert Groden is suing Dallas, but it's the museum that's doing the city's dirty work.
Oh, is that right? When exactly did that duty get assigned to the museum? Is that responsibility the reason security personnel from the museum asked the Dallas PD to go arrest Groden on June 10, 2010? That was the city's version later, under oath, when they responded to Groden's lawsuit. The cops told the court they popped Groden and threw him in the Lew Sterrett jail because a security guard from the museum told them to. This is after Longford told me the museum had nothing to do with it -- apparently not a truthful statement, if the city is to be believed.

Listen: Adams and curator/designer Connover Hunt did the city a huge solid by saving the School Book Depository Building and turning the sixth-floor "sniper's nest" into a museum. Had it been up to the usual powers that be in Dallas, the building would have been imploded and the site turned into an animatronic Biblical theme park.

But the mission of the museum has been perverted in recent years. It has become a kind of enforcement arm for the ilk of people in Dallas who can't stand controversy about the assassination. Their official line, as purveyed by the museum, is that some lone nut named Oswald did it, that's it, forget about it, it wasn't Dallas' fault.

For all I know that's true. But it's also true that a whole bunch of people disagree, and the intensity of that debate is higher this year because of the impending 50th anniversary of the event. The city has gone to absurd lengths to control that anniversary, giving itself permits that will effectively lock down Dealey Plaza and bar the general public during the entire week of the event.

Why? Who? Who wants this done? Who is afraid of what being said? And why is the museum, which touts itself as a center for scholarly research, out there in the plaza with the gendarmes getting somebody who disagrees with them about history hauled off to the slammer? Who told Longford it was any of her damn business what goes on in Dealey Plaza?

Right now, as the anniversary approaches, the fact that somebody in Dallas is still this touchy about it is the most interesting thing about the anniversary. Otherwise I'm not sure many people would pay attention. But apparently somebody with a lot of stroke in this city wants the bolts screwed down tight on free speech in Dealey Plaza that week. Why?



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missfrankiefortune
missfrankiefortune

I am shocked to learn that the sixth floor engages in this illegal behaviour and bullying tactics. Shocked, but not surprised. For shame, Sixth Floor Museum.

clay5star
clay5star

I concur, John Judge.  As the late Allen Dulles remarked to the Warren Commission members who were lamenting the "White Wash" regarding the assassination - "Don't worry.  A few academics will read the report, but the public will read very little" (I am paraphrasing here).  I highly recommend you folks sit down and read Douglas P. Horne's books (1808 pages) "Inside the ARRB.  Doug was the military analyst who was privy to records which the public was never meant to see.  Please view this post by Doug to Chris Matthews.  Doug hits the points finely.


http://hardballblog.msnbc.com/_news/2011/11/22/8959306-matthews-on-oswalds-crime-of-opportunity?lite

roo_ster
roo_ster

The tinfoil is strong in this thread.

SomeonefromMiami
SomeonefromMiami

Some folks just don't get it, and the Cuban people don't kiss and tell, JFK's fatal mistake was to try and conduct peace talks with Fidel Castro. 

scottie1620
scottie1620

It takes a complete dunce to still believe that Lee Oswald had ANYTHING to do with that assassination of John F. Kennedy. The Zapruder film clearly shows a frontal headshot from Kennedy's right side, a shot that almost surely came from behind the wall of the grassy knoll. It is not possible, given the laws of physics, for the kill shot to have come from behind Kennedy. When Jackie climbed onto the back deck of the limo she did so to retrieve a piece of Kennedy's skull that was blown off by the frontal shot.

People have to be willfully ignorant, or else just plain stupid, to believe that Lee Oswald, a CIA double agent to the Soviet Union, was involved in that murder. As he said, he was "only a patsy."

deannarae64
deannarae64

What persons created the Dallas County Historical Foundation? Because it has attempted to control remaining evidence and records -- all of which are "JFK assassination related records" as defined by the ARRB and should have been turned over long ago to the National Archives and the JFK records collection by law -- as demonstrated by the information below.


The Dallas County Historical Foundation IS the Sixth Floor Museum.
http://www.dallascad.org/AcctDetailBPP.aspx?ID=99200408300208400
http://www.dallascad.org/AcctHistory.aspx?ID=99200408300208400

Owner (Current 2013)

DALLAS COUNTY HISTORICAL FOUNDATION

411 ELM ST
DALLAS, TEXAS 75202-3301

Doing Business As:   6TH FLOOR MUSEUM



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Thus, for the then-DA, Bill Hill, to recommend to Commissioners Court to adopt a court order allowing (interesting the use of "allowing;" seems more like "directing") the Dallas County Medical Examiner to loan (i.e. "turn over") to the Dallas County Historical Foundation (the Sixth Floor) records pertaining to the exhumation of Lee Harvey Oswald.

On June 21, 1994, the Commissioners Court adopted Court Order No. 94-985 which directed all Dallas County departments under its supervision to collect, inventory, and transfer to the Dallas County Historical Foundation all documents, photocopies, and artifacts that may exist pertinent to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the deaths of Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby, and the subsequent investigations and trials. 



http://www.dallascounty.org/department/comcrt/agenda/files/2006Oct17b.pdf

Does this sound like the County wanted to make sure it would have total control of any evidence that may have been left over in a stray box or file somewhere amongst all county buildings, facilities or offices? 


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Here is the full memo:


DALLAS COUNTY


BILL HILL

DISTRICT ATIORNEY

CIVIL DIVISION


MEMORANDUM



TO:             Commissioners Court


FROM:       Bob Schell, Chief

                 Dallas County District Attorney's Office, Civil Division


RE:            Lee Harvey Oswald Exhumation Documents


DATE:       October 11, 2006


____________________________________________________


PURPOSE


The purpose of this memorandum is to recommend that the Dallas County Commissioners Court

adopt a court order allowing the Medical Examiner's Office to loan to the Dallas County

Historical Foundation records pertaining to the exhumation of Lee Harvey Oswald.


BACKGROUND


On June 21, 1994, the Commissioners Court adopted Court Order No. 94-985 which directed all

Dallas County departments under its supervision to collect, inventory, and transfer to the Dallas

County Historical Foundation all documents, photocopies, and artifacts that may exist pertinent

to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the deaths of Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack

Ruby, and the subsequent investigations and trials.


The Dallas County Medical Examiner's office has possession of a file from the late 1970's and

early 1980's surrounding the exhumation and lawsuits against the then Chief Medical Examiner,

Dr. Charles Petty, and the County regarding the Oswald Exhumation, which was eventually

performed by a private pathologist in Dallas. The file consists of legal documents, newspaper

clippings, and personal letters surrounding these events. Dr. Petty has no objection to the

County donating the file to the Dallas County Historical Foundation.


RECOMMENDATION


The Dallas County District Attorney's Office, Civil Division, recommends that the Court adopt a

court order allowing the Medical Examiner's Office to loan to the Dallas County Historical

Foundation records pertaining to the exhumation of Lee Harvey Oswald.



Administration Building 411 Elm Street 5th Floor Dallas, Texas 75202 2141653-7358 Fax 2141653-6134

123morrow
123morrow

I support having a Sixth Floor Museum and preserving the TSBD building. What I don't support is the Sixth Floor Museum's outrageous treatment of the JFK assassination, covering up for the Lyndon Johnson and Dallas, TX oil men murderers of John Kennedy. In fact the owner of the TSBD at that time in 1963 D.H. Byrd, a close friend of LBJ, oil man and military contractor is himself a prime suspect in the JFK assassination along with H.L. Hunt, Clint Murchison, Sr. and GHW Bush.

Keep the Sixth Floor Museum but drastically change the way it presents history.

If you want to get quickly “up to speed” on the JFK assassination, here is what to read:

1) LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassinationby Phillip Nelson

2) JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters by James Douglass

3) Brothers: the Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot

4) The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh

5) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty by Russ Baker

6) Power Beyond Reason: The Mental Collapse of Lyndon Johnson by Jablow Hershman

7) Operation Cyanide: Why the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War III by Peter Hounam (LBJ engineered the attack on the USS Liberty)

8) Inside the Assassinations Records Review Board Volume 5, by Doug Horne

9) Watch "The Men Who Killed Kennedy - the Guilty Men - episode 9" at YouTube-

best video ever on the JFK assassination; covers well Lyndon Johnson's role

10) Google the essay “LBJ-CIA Assa ssination of JFK” by Robert Morrow

11) Google“National Security State and the Assassination of JFK by Andrew Gavin Marshall.”

12) Google“Chip Tatum Pegasus.” Intimidation of Ross Perot 1992

13) Google“Vincent Salandria False Mystery Speech.” Read every book & essay Vincent Salandria ever wrote.

14) Google "Unanswered Questions as Obama Annoints HW Bush" by Russ Baker

16) Google "Did the Bushes Help to Kill JFK" by Wim Dankbaar

JohnJudge
JohnJudge

Actually, while the historic preservation of the Dealey Plaza murder site was a good idea, though not faithfully carried out since much has been altered, and the preservation of the Book Depository building useful, the preservation of the false "sniper's nest" was useful only to discredit the official version. However, many people look out the windows there today and without the slightest bit of forensic, ballistics, medical or physics evidence decide that Oswald "could have done it". Oswald would have had to be on the sixth floor at the time and owned the alleged murder weapon, and fired shots simultaneously from there and a location ahead of President Kennedy to have killed him, but why bother yourself with minor points like these when uninformed arrogance is so much easier. Just call those who disagree "nut jobs" and you don't even have to defend your own position. The abysmal ignorance of most of the comments here regarding the murder as well as books they have never read is a symptom of both time and the post-historical, post-scientific and post-literate world we live in. The Sixth Floor Museum may have been forced over the years to try to look "neutral" on the issue, but it was their director, Nicole Longford who was "proactive" on behalf of the Mayor's office in taking out an unprecedented and illegal permit to close Dealey Plaza on the 50th anniversary to, as she herself put it in the Dallas Morning News, "conspiracy theory". For those of you who have never studied or been taught anything about the Constitution, the First Amendment or law, this is a "content-based denial of free speech rights" and a violation of that Amendment. The permit was wisely withdrawn on November 19 to be replaced by the annual request to hold a Moment of Silence (for 48 years so far) on November 22 at the Grassy Knoll,  filed timely for the Coalition on Political Assassinations, a national network of leading forensic, medical, ballistics experts, academicians, authors and serious researchers who have compiled a body of evidence and forced the release of more under the JFK Assassination Records Act that demolish the Warren Commission's conclusions, a task also taken up by the House Select Committee on Assassinations that ruled a "probable conspiracy" in both the JFK and Martin Luther King assassinations in 1978. All of the released files bear out DA Jim Garrison's suspicions in his case against Clay Shaw and indictment of the US government and intelligence agencies in the murder of JFK, and rewrite the history of the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban missile crisis as well. But, why bother yourself with history or the facts? Just go on calling the former president of the American Academy of Forensic Science and leading criminal experts "nut jobs" so you can feel superior and oh so smart in your wrongheadedness. The only thing crazy about Robert Groden, a respected photographic analyst for the HSCA and author of many thoroughly researched books on the best evidence in the JFK case is his persistence in trying to educate the likes of you deniers, but we call it guts and fortitude. Let's see you go through 81 arrests for nothing and keep smiling. As to Jim Schutze, at least he is on the right side of history and the rights of free speech. We will not be silent in the face of official lies and criminal activity that changed the course of our country and the world, nor will we honor John F. Kennedy but forgetting his death and letting his killers act with impunity. We will be there November 22, visible at the Plaza and we will be heard. John Judge, COPA, Washington, DC

BarackObummer
BarackObummer

Yo ah'll be long gone 'bfoe some smart broddar ever figures out what happened inside dis here Oval Office.

casiepierce
casiepierce

Man, what is wrong with the paragraph editor in here today?

roo_ster
roo_ster

Sometimes there is no big conspiracy.  Sometimes there is just a lone nut who thinks he can re-write history.

In this case, not LHO, but Groden.  I can see where the 6FM and City of Dallas would get annoyed by him.    Sort of the same way students at college get annoyed at the guy who sets up and hollers about Jesus, Hellfire, and Damnation outside the student union.  

Groden has a racket, just like the 6FM and Dallas policritters.  Policritters chew off hunks of tax receipts and influence to feather their bed.  6FM and Groden chew off hunks of JFK's corpse to feather their own.  All racketeers.

pmjohn5r
pmjohn5r

The Sixth Floor museum clearly has a perspective of defending the Warren Commission's ridiculous conclusion.  Just go there and try to buy Jim Douglas's book "JFK and the Unspeakable" which, critics agree, is the best book on the assassination.  The book points to the CIA and government at the highest levels (Joint Chiefs of Staff, etc), and points to motive.  The motive was that Kennedy was working to end the cold war (American University speech, back channel communication with Khrushchev and Castro), and refused to fight the Vietnam War.  Yes Kennedy had more enemies that just the CIA, Hoover and the FBI, LBJ, the Military Industrial Complex, the Federal Reserve, Rich Texas Oilmen, and all the racists of the time. 

The City of Dallas and the Sixth Floor would do well to embrace the controversy.  American's still appreciate the concept of "Freedom of Speech".  Some of us will be in Dallas for the 50th and will not be silenced.   


ColinZ
ColinZ

I recently visited the museum.  I was surprised that there was actually a fair amount of material discussing the 'lone shooter' theory and dissenting views.  I never felt that the museum was saying that Oswald was the lone shooter.  It presented findings of the Warren Commission, but it also presented inconsistencies.  So I'm not sure that your premise, "Their official line, as purveyed by the museum, is that some lone nut named Oswald did it," is a valid one.

Tim.Covington
Tim.Covington

"Who Died and Made the Sixth Floor Museum the King of Dealey Plaza?"

John F Kennedy

123morrow
123morrow

@clay5star Horne talks about this in his book.

BY LATE 1965 THE KGB HAD CONCLUDED LYNDON JOHNSON WAS BEHIND THE JFK ASSASSINATION

By September 16, 1965, the Soviet KGB had concluded that Lyndon Johnson was responsible for the JFK assassination. On 12/1/66 J. Edgar Hoover sent a memo to LBJ which stated:

"On September 16, 1965, this same source reported that the KGB Residency in New York City received instructions approximately September 16, 1965, from KGB headquarters in Moscow to develop all possible information concerning President Lyndon B. Johnson's character, background, personal friends, family, and from which quarters he derives his support in his position as President of the United States. Our source added that in the instructions from Moscow, it was indicated that "now" the KGB was in possession of data purporting to indicate President Johnson was responsible for the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy. KGB headquarters indicated that in view of this information, it was necessary for the Soviet Government to know the existing personal relationship between President Johnson and the Kennedy family, particularly between President Johnson and Robert and "Ted" Kennedy." 

Web link: http://www.indiana.edu/~oah/nl/98feb/jfk.html#d1

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@JohnJudge 

Not questioning your ideas, here, but your "free speech" is difficult to read when you don't include paragraph breaks.

pmjohn5r
pmjohn5r

@roo_ster All conspiracies are not created equal.  Because some people speculate on admittedly (IMO) wacko conspiracies like Sandy Hook, that does not mean that no sociopath government official (elected, or non-elected) ever determined to have someone killed to advance his/her own position.  COPA takes this position:

This document is based on a consensus or large majority of the ballistics, forensic, photographic, legal, and medical experts and the academicians, journalists, historians, authors and serious independent researchers who have examined American political assassinations from the 1960s to the present.


We identify these murders as “political assassinations” based not on the target being an elected official, but on the motive and effect of the killing being political. In some cases the motive was the removal and replacement of a leader by opposing forces or by succession, or of a candidate for office. In others the target was a leader in a popular movement for change or social justice who was perceived as a threat to the status quo, both to destroy the movement and the hope of citizens for change. In others the target was a witness to criminal acts or conspiracies or damaging information that would threaten to reveal the actual perpetrators of the crimes.


We have had five decades of research, court cases, released records, official investigations, and independent investigations into the major political assassinations that changed the direction of America since the early 1960s. These statements represent the best evidence and what we now know, on the verge of the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, about his murder and others.


They are offered in the hope that the need for justice and the claims of history will prevail in a democratic society that has had democracy stolen by these heinous acts.

  Text of TEN POINTS OF AGREEMENT http://politicalassassinations.com/2013/02/10-points-of-agreement-on-political-assassinations-sign-on/

pmjohn5r
pmjohn5r

@roo_ster And sometimes, there is a conspiracy.  Sometimes at the highest levels of government.  Sometimes for real important reasons in the mind of those committing the crime. Like wanting to fight the Vietnam War.  Objecting to Kennedy's efforts to end the Cold War, objecting to his back channel communications with Khruschev and Castro.  Kennedy made enemies of the CIA, J Edgar Hoover, LBJ, Texas Oilmen, Wall Street, and a bunch of racists who were even more numerous then than now. 

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@roo_ster Explain again: Why is SFM a racketeer? i missed that part.

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

And controversy should sell more tickets. I bet more than a few passersby chatted up by Groden ended up taking a tour.

MikeWestEast
MikeWestEast

@pmjohn5r What people would those agreeing critics be?  I went over to Amazon and looked for editorial reviews.  Oliver Stone, Martin Sheen, Mark Lane who has been flogging his nut job view of the murder for decades, and some self-proclaimed economic hit man that claimed he interviewed fellow jackals for his book about secret American Empire and thinks Mr. Douglas' book is the greatest story about an American President EVER!  Robert Caro better step aside!  The Museum has the responsibility to only include people on the agenda that actually know something .  Freedom of Speech says we cannot throw in jail people that keep reminding us that they know very little. 

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@ColinZ This is Schutze at his wackiest, again. Come back in a week or two. He'll be okay by then.

roo_ster
roo_ster

@ColinZ Why muddy the waters with actual facts regarding the bogeymen at 6FM?

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@123morrow Would you conspiracy hobbyists please get your stories together?? LBJ, CIA, Cubans, the mob....jeez, how many conspirators does it take to screw on a damn rifle sight?

clay5star
clay5star

@123morrow   I have no doubts that LBJ was part and parcel to the assassination of John F. Kennedy.  However, LBJ based on my research was an operational tool to a much deeper cabal in which JFK threatened.  If you think about how deep politics work than LBJ was also controlled by forces who stood to gain under his presidency.  By no means was LBJ the brain trust to such high intrigue.  In essence, LBJ was nothing but the outer layer of the onion to the assassination.

roo_ster
roo_ster

@scottie1620 @roo_ster Your argument is so convincing, I have just re-evaluated all the principles on which I have built my political and social views and changed them to coincide with yours.  

I must admit, though, it is harder to reach the keyboard now that my head is up my ass.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

The thing about conspiracy theories and why they remain mere theories, pmjohn, is that in order to entertain them the believer must discard the preponderant evidence and follow a tortuous path of surmises and  improbabilities to arrive at an unlikely conclusion that he then comes to believe because it IS unlikely, and thus set him apart from his fellow humans as an "independent thinker" without having to go to the trouble of actually thinking.

For example, how likely is it that "the CIA, J Edgar Hoover, LBJ, Texas Oilmen, Wall Street, and a bunch of racists" could engage in a vast, complex conspiracy without one itty bitty word leaking out, without at least someone murmuring into the ear of his mistress or bragging drunkenly in a bar some Saturday night, or suffering conscience-bite? How does this accord with your knowledge of human nature, pmjohn? And if that crumb of evidence did drop off the table, how many judges, detectives, ambitious prosecutors, and journalists would it take to sweep it under the rug? Can you think of any oher conspiracy so vast and elaborate that it endured for decades with nary a thread unraveled?

Well, of course you can. There must be millions of them: Area 51. the Moon non-landing. Seward's assassination of Lincoln. The Elders of Zion, the government use of "casualty actors" at Sandy Hook, the whole business of 9/11, water fluoridation, commies under the bed.....

    

roo_ster
roo_ster

@pmjohn5r@roo_sterPardon me for slapping Ockham's Butterknife from your hand, but sometimes it is just a commie with a rifle and an easy shot. 

To quote little miss pillbox herself:

"He didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. it had to be some silly little Communist." ---- Jackie Kennedy

roo_ster
roo_ster

@123morrow @roo_ster I already read enough fiction, thanks.  Patrick OBrian's Aubrey-Maturin series at the moment. 

roo_ster
roo_ster

@bmarvel@roo_sterPerhaps an analogy.  

Just as 1980s metal & hair bands chewed off, masticated, and then regurgitated hunks of Led Zepplin's (metaphorical) corpse; the 6FM chews off, masticates, and then regurgitates hunks of JFK's (metaphorical) corpse. 

Or, you could hit up The Free Dictionary and select the most pertinent definition.

Not necessarily criminal (well, except for Dallas policriters' racket), but not exactly wholesome, either.

deannarae64
deannarae64

@MikeWestEast @pmjohn5r  --  The testimonies of most witnesses, who observed the 11/22/63 events in Dealey Plaza and Oak Cliff, contradicts the Warren Commission's fairy tale explanation of what had occurred.


If Robert Groden intercepted those witnesses on 11/22/63 and in the days after, put a gun to their heads and told them they would die unless they changed their testimonies to reflect the opposite of the government's version, then I would agree that Groden is a "jackal and nut job."

pmjohn5r
pmjohn5r

@MikeWestEast @pmjohn5r  You mention authors not researchers, not experts. I refer to Jim DiEugenio and John Judge.  I will mention several others who highly respect Douglass's book, but I am working from memory on this so it is remotely possible that you could correct me.  Here goes:  Cyril Wecht, Dr. Gary Aguilar, Dr. Mantik, Robert Groden, Doug Horne, Barry Krusch, Lisa Pease.  Why are you mentioning Robert Caro....I agree with you that he is a lightweight or worse.  My opinion is that you should read Barry Krusch's book; Impossible: The Case against Lee Harvey Oswald.  The author is offering $20,000 for anyone who can disprove his assertions,  Give it a shot (so to speak).

123morrow
123morrow

@MikeWestEast @pmjohn5r Read the book "LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination" by Phillip Nelson. Robert Caro had 20 years to interview Madeleine Brown, Billie Sol Estes, Barr McClellan and he never did. Robert Caro is a liar and a coward and there are plenty of folks that know LBJ's real history of murder (not just JFK) better than Caro does. Google "Malcolm Wallace Spartacus" for info on LBJ's personal hitman.

123morrow
123morrow

@bmarvel @ColinZ

Roger Stone, a very close aide to Richard Nixon: "LBJ had it done. Mob, CIA, Hoover, all in on it. RFK knew. So did Nixon." Stone goes on to say, "RN [Richard Nixon] was oblique on this subject. He would just snort and say "You don't want to know" and once said Warren Comm Report was "bullshit." (Source: Roger Stone, January, 2012)

Roger Stone says Nixon “never flatly said who was responsible [for the murder of JFK]. But he would say, ‘Both Johnson and I wanted to be president, but the only difference was I wouldn’t kill for it.” When Stone would press Nixon on who killed Kennedy Nixon “would shiver and say Texas.”

By 1973 Barry Goldwater had also come to believe that Lyndon Johnson was behind the JFK assassination according to Jeffrey Hoffwho told that to me in fall, 2012 at the JFK Lancer conference.

123morrow
123morrow

@roo_ster @ColinZ

Author Gus Russo: In his oral history, Robert Kennedy bitterly recounted a remark that Johnson made to someone else after the assassination. "When I was young in Texas, I used to know a cross-eyed boy," Johnson said. "His eyes were crossed, and so was his character... That was God's retribution for people who were bad - and you should be careful of cross-eyed people because God put his mark on them ... Sometimes I think that what happened to Kennedy may have been divine retribution." JFK himself had slightly crossed eyes.

[Leo Janos, LBJ speechwriter, Church Committee interview by Rhett Dawson, Oct. 14, 1975 ... also Gus Russo, Live by the Sword, p. 377]

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@123morrow you're aware of fhe O.J. Simpson-JFK connection, right? Hint: Hertz.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

Yup, clearly...clearly.

123morrow
123morrow

@RTGolden1 @pmjohn5r @roo_ster

Another key point: Lee Harvey Oswald was U.S. intelligence and he shot NO ONE on 11/22/63. Oswald had a fake public persona of a pro-Castro Marxist; in reality CIA and an probably FBI informant.

1) “Oswald and the CIA” book by John Newman
2) “Spy Saga: Lee Harvey Oswald and US Intelligence” book by Philip Melanson
3) “History Will Not Absolve Us” by Martin Schotz (Chapter 5 “Oswald and U.S. Intelligence” by Christopher Sharrett)
4) “Me and Lee” book by Judyth Vary Baker (Oswald’s mistress in New Orleans, summer 1963)
5) “Destiny Betrayed” by Jim DiEugenio, Chapter 7 “On Instructions from His Government” (2012 edition)
6) “A Certain Arrogance: U.S. Intelligence’s Manipulation of Religious Groups and Individuals in Two World Wars and the Cold War – and the Sacrificing of Lee Harvey Oswald” book by George Michael Evica
7) “Accessories After the Fact” by Sylvia Meagher, Chapter 19 “Oswald and the State Department’”
9) “Coup D’Etat in America: The CIA and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy” by Alan Weberman & Michael Canfield, Chapter 3 “Was Oswald a CIA Agent?”
10) “Oswald in New Orleans: Case for Conspiracy with the CIA” by Harold Weisberg
12) “Oswald: The Truth” by Joachim Joesten (1967)
13) Chapter 9 “Fingerprints of Intelligence” in “Reasonable Doubt” by Henry Hurt
14) Chapter 14 “Oswald and the CIA” in “Oswald: Assassin or Fall Guy” by Joachim Joesten
15) Chapter 12 ” Was Oswald a Government Agent” in “Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why” by Gerald McKnight
16) Chapter 13 “Spies” in “Farewell America” by James Hepburn
17) Google “Lee Harvey Oswald’s reading habits summer 1963” by Judyth Vary Baker
18) Google ” Lee Harvey Oswald—a U.S. Intelligence Agent: The Evidence by Hal Verb”
19) Google “The Death of a President by Eric Norden in The Minority of One, Jan, 1964”
20) “The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald” by Robert Groden

21) “I am a Patsy! I am a Patsy!” by George De Mohrenschildt

22) Google “Oswald and the FBI” by Harold Feldman, The Nation January, 1964, pp 86-89

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@pmjohn5r @roo_ster Got a little news for you.  If someone is 'clearly a spook', they're most likely not a spook.  You see, the whole point of being a 'spook' is nobody is supposed to be able to figure out if you are one or not.

pmjohn5r
pmjohn5r

@roo_ster @pmjohn5r  Wow...anyone believing that Oswald was a Communist knows absolutely nothing of his life.  He was clearly a spook at the highest level.  Clearly had a relationship (informant?) with FBI.   A one sentence quote from someone not involved in the 49 yr investigation of Oswald demonstrates a high level of hubris and ignorance.  Do some homework...

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@roo_ster roo -- are you aware some gallus-snapping drooling dimbulb is posting comments on this forum and signing them with your pseudonym?

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@123morrow And Nixon, by God! Doesn't that just put another Seal of Truth on it? 

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@123morrow Cross-eyed boys. Well, that puts the seal of Truth on it, doesn't it?

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