Dallas Is Building a Naval Museum on the Trinity River

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The USS Dallas, somewhere that's not the Trinity.
Tom Clancy buffs are already well-acquainted with the USS Dallas. The 5,700-ton nuclear submarine, a hair longer than your standard football field, was a main player in The Hunt for Red October. Back when the novel was published in 1984, the ship was still young, having joined the Navy's fleet just three years before.

Fast forward three decades. The ship is no longer such a vital part of U.S. maritime strategy and is scheduled to be decommissioned in 2014, at which point it will need to find a new home. And a new home is exactly what Dallas leaders are proposing to build, according to The Dallas Morning News. Mayor Mike Rawlings is expected to unveil plans for the Dallas Maritime Museum, which will be located on the banks of the Trinity River.

The logic here goes something like this: The USS Dallas travels in water; the Trinity contains water; therefore it makes perfect sense to build an $80 million naval museum in Dallas, several hours from a coastline or navigable waterway.

"Dallas is a city of big ideas, and this is just one more example," Phillip Jones, head of the Dallas Convention and Visitors Bureau, told the Morning News. "Lots of people are excited about this."

Jones also called the museum "a needed addition in South Dallas," even though 1) the proposed Rock Island site isn't in South Dallas and 2) no area of Dallas needs a naval museum. The sentiment does illustrate the city's general approach to developing the southern sector, which mainly involves throwing random, high-profile attractions -- golf courses, horse parks, naval museums -- somewhere south of Interstate 30.

The project is being privately financed through a nonprofit foundation that has already purchased 3.5 acres on Riverfront Boulevard. Fundraising is still in its early stages, but foundation officials like John Shellene and tourism officials like Jones are confident that, once built, the museum will draw visitors from around the world.

We shall see.


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rufuslevin
rufuslevin

uh....Dallas has a history....why did the AGE OF STEAM fail to raise money for a public display and maintenance....rail makes more historical logic for Dallas than a nuclear sub....yet, the whole thing was moved out of Dallas.

ozonelarryb
ozonelarryb

Sink it along the levees for reinforcement. Then tbey might pass Corps strength test.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart

Finally the Large Marge makes sense! In the middle of a hot Texas summer it will look like a mirage to the tourists.

Joseph June
Joseph June

This is the dumbest idea! WFT Dallas.

David Ellefsen
David Ellefsen

This is a joke right? Something you forgot to run on April 1st?

Nathan McLain
Nathan McLain

I wouldn't mind touring a nucular submarine and we'll finally have some protection if Houston tries to invade via river attack.

Shane Owens
Shane Owens

There is a similar museum in Oklahoma. It was pretty well done on a minimal budget. If this isn't being paid for by tax payer, who cares. Anything positive that could bring even the smallest number of visitors to the wasteland that currently is along that area is a good thing.

Alvin Achterhof
Alvin Achterhof

So what happens when there is no water in the Trinity?

Tom Urquhart
Tom Urquhart

Seems appropriate for a town that built a great library in honor of a president not necessarilly known for his love of reading.

DirtyP1
DirtyP1

I'd need more info, first of all, the government just isn't going to hand this thing over, it is worth something. Building this type of sub cost close to a billion, sooooo....

Danielle Ellis
Danielle Ellis

Dumbest idea ever. What old folgy came up with this mess? What tourist is going to say 'Oooooh!' at this? Meanwhile the West End is a pile of nothing.

David Norton
David Norton

I think just how the hell it will actually fit and how the hell it will get here are going to be almost as interesting if not more than the actual thing itself. IF it happens that is.

Catherine Horsey
Catherine Horsey

I swear I thought I was reading The Onion when I saw this.

John1073
John1073

 I guess they didn't get the memo that they never dredged the river all the way from Houston to Dallas.

bryanr01
bryanr01

Can we ride a solar-powered water taxi to visit it?

Rumpunch1
Rumpunch1

Can't we combine Dwaine's riverwalk idea with the attack submarine?  We could do a marketing tie in for shops and restaurants along the riverwalk.  "The Hunt for Red Lobster" 

Why stop at a riverwalk, flood all of downtown and have DPD patrol in the sub.

NOakCliff
NOakCliff

I'm not an engineer, but moving that thing won't happen up the river. The sub is just about as wide as the river channel, and there's nowhere near enough water to keep it from dragging up on the bottom. So, moving it comes down to cutting it into pieces, hauling them by truck, re-welding back together, and not putting it inside the levees. The Riverfront acreage is outside the levees. They'll cut it wide open to remove the reactor, anyway. If it ever did make it to Dallas, it would amount to a giant, empty, steel can with a sonar tower, perfect for all the egrets Carrollton is trying to get rid of.

And any idea why "private" funds seem to come out of the woodwork for idiotic ideas like this, but if taxes were suggested to pay for it the same people would scream, "HELL NO!"  I guess they expect to make money off of their investment, but probably expect city taxes and personnel to pick up security, maintainance, and other costs once the giant can is on its pedestal.

MushMouth1
MushMouth1

Plop it in the middle of the river, have water taxis ferry visitors to it, build a giant Ferris wheel on a showy bridge over it.

ruddski
ruddski

This is going to upset a lot of people.

rantanamo
rantanamo

why are we complaining about something from private developers?

Cliffhanger
Cliffhanger

@rufuslevin Because we have to compete with Muskogee for the title of "most landlocked city with a submarine."

kduble
kduble

@DirtyP1 Most of the time they sell them to other countries. These ships constantly shuttle around until they're too old to float. They're then broken for scrap in south Asia.


Until it was converted into a museum in New England recently, there was a Soviet-built ship serving in the U.S. Navy. The Soviets had traded it to the East Germans, it joined NATO's fleet when the two Germanys merged, and the Germans had sold it to the U.S.

robertkrusin
robertkrusin

@DirtyP1 Yes they would, check out the Naval ship donation program run by NAVSEA.. But the problem is, the coastguard cutter was handed over to a foreign  Navy for use. 2nd the sub will be so badly cut up after they remove the reactor that it will cost them some big money to make her right again..

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@NOakCliff  

I wonder what the boundaries of  the TIF will be?


"Of course, Warden Norton had a different idea of what a "bare minimum of taxpayer expense" meant." -- Red

director21
director21

@rantanamo Most of us are not complaining - we are ridiculing. There is a difference, you know.

MushMouth1
MushMouth1

@rantanamo 1. It's stupid 2. Public funds (taxes) always end up paying for these ventures. 3. It's stupid

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@rantanamo because they may develop it, but the city will end up on the hook for the maintenance.... 

Gangy
Gangy

@rantanamo @MushMouth1 I want elected officials and City Staff to prioritize quality of life issues for RESIDENTS, such as decent streets, better designed and funded parks, more staff and books and computers for libraries, more funding for senior services, and more funding for services for folks living with HIV/AIDS.

kduble
kduble

@MushMouth1@rantanamoPeople may not travel from all over the world, but it would bring in visitors from Texas and the Southwest.

rantanamo
rantanamo

@MushMouth1 @rantanamo 

Probably not, but is that really a requirement?  On the other hand, you really don't know much about its content.

MushMouth1
MushMouth1

@rantanamo People are not going to travel from all over the world to see it for one

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