There's a New Anti-Fluoride Push in North Texas, which Has Ear of McKinney City Council

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Public water systems in the United States have been adding fluoride to their water since the 1940s as a way to prevent tooth decay. The consensus among public health officials and scientists is that the practice has been incredibly effective. The only documented side effect is a rise in fluorosis, a condition in which cumulative overexposure to fluoride interferes with the development of tooth enamel. It is typically cosmetic.

That's never stopped a small but persistent fringe from decrying fluoridation as a threat to public health, if not a government conspiracy, and calling for an end to its use. In North Texas, the cause has been taken up by a group called Fluoride Action North Texas which last night had the ear of the McKinney City Council.

"We don't ever drink tap water if we can avoid it," FANT founder Pam Wenzel, who also happens to market and sell "Spa Water" products, told NBC 5. "The additional fluoride is not a natural occurring fluoride. It is a chemical that comes from chemical plants."

True enough, but a bit of a straw man. A chemical's the same whether it originates in nature or in a lab, and one needn't walk far down a supermarket aisle to find foods that are packed with chemicals from chemical plants.

Last night's debate was precipitated by Councilman Ray Ricchi, who introduced a resolution calling for an end to the fluoridation of the city's water supply. That would be more complicated than it sounds, because the city is served by the North Texas Municipal Water District, which also happens to serve 1.5 million or so people who don't live in McKinney, and the matter was tabled until next month.

McKinney is just the first salvo in FANT's fight against fluoride. On the group's Facebook page, Wenzel promises to push each of NTMWD's 44 member cities to vote against fluoridation. So, more to come.


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reheman
reheman

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FluoridePoisoning/message/10756

AR Department of Health
and NSF Deceptions
on Water Additives Debate




All the more reason to support Senator Brian King on passing SB255.



Secure Arkansas has known for a while, with the mere mention of fluoride, mixed messages always seem to come from the Arkansas Department of Health (ADH), an organization which seems to require protecting its sacred cow at all costs.
The ADH in a letter
to Carroll Boone water district, admits the product used for water fluoridation contains potential toxic contaminates including, but not limited to, arsenic, lead, and radioactive substances. So why wouldn't the ADH support the public's right to know from the manufacturers what impurities being used for water fluoridation
are in the actual raw product and in what amount? Why would they object to full disclosure, transparency, and accountability to the public? Could it be that it may not be in their best interest to reveal that they have no enforcement power, nor accountability, nor a need to reveal the prominent disclaimers in the beginning of Standard 60

 

reheman
reheman

Fluoride proponents MUST provide toxicological reports, provide a listing of contaminants, and proof that their product is safe for all water consumers; infants to seniors, people with arthritis, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, diabetes, kidney disease, Alzheimer’s, dialysis patients and people with depression.

If they cannot provide these requirements that the NSF wrote in their own Standard 60 document, fluoridation must cease because of non-compliance.

To view the NSF/ANSI 60 - 2009 document go to:
http://fluoride-class-action.com/wp-content/uploads/NSF-60-excerpts2.pdf
On page 9 of the pdf you will find
A.4.1 General Requirements
These are the studies right from the NSF document

Having the NSF 60 stamp is not enough. Fluoridation materials must "conform".

sidewalkastro
sidewalkastro

Oh good another commie plot foiled along with the evil agenda 21 in McKinney. Just why do all those commie live up in McKinney with their evil ways? Next commie ploy to be stop, vaccinations. It is their God given right to get Mumps, Measles, Polio, Chicken Pox, Tetanus and now rotten teeth.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

Now that would just be too fun.

Sunday, right when the megachurch lets out.

mrn_olenic
mrn_olenic

It is NOT the same chemical.  Natural fluoride is calcium fluoride.  Hydrofluosilicic acid contains no calcium  (a buffer against health damage from fluoride in the natural kind) but is composed entirely of fluorine, silicon and hydrogen. 

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

The presence of fluoride in our water supply is not the problem. The real health threat comes from dihydrogen monoxide, or hydric acid. The hydroxyl radical component of this compound is known to cause genetic mutations and interfere with important cellular functions. Moreover the individual atomic components are associtaed with various caustic, poisonous and explosive compounds.


casiepierce
casiepierce

Great. Give a little attention to a fringe group and suddenly all their crazy members come running out here like ants, posting completely unfunny and boring comments. Don't you know this is where I get my daily dose of humor? Now, now I just sadded. :(

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

fuck it, lets not put anything in the water, hell lets not even filter it or treat it, Im sure those chemicals are bad too, lets have the city send shitty sewer water right into your sinks and bathtubs.  sheesh

bifftannen
bifftannen

How many of these people that oppose fluoridation also are anti-vaccinations. I think there are huge overlaps in the two groups.


We'll give you guys an island to live on, you can die of some easily preventable disease there.

ericsucksshit
ericsucksshit

Holy shit you SUCK, Eric. Give up your "snarky libtard" shitty imitation of "journalism". Holy shit you suck at it.

NewsDog
NewsDog

I grew up in Richardson and I remember hearing that the fluoride level in the water was like four times the recomended level. But all the kids had bright shiny smiles.

I don't think it did me any harm.

Daniel
Daniel

Wait -- if it comes from a plant, doesn't that make it naturally occurring? 

WhiteWhale
WhiteWhale

A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

lotus-ink
lotus-ink

I thought journalist were supposed to do investigative research?  Clearly Mr.Nicholson did not care to take time to scrutinize why this controversy exists in the first place.  I suppose it is easier to sensationalize the article and blame the movement on conspiracy theorists and whack jobs (like the 14 Nobel Prize winners that oppose fluoridation).  Which ever side of the matter you are on, it's only logical to educate yourself on the matter before you write biased news articles.  Medicine, science, and technology all advance with time.  Water fluoridation is an outdated practice; support of its use is going the way of lead, mercury, DDT, and tobacco.  There's plenty of legitimate modern research into this chemical additive.  That's why almost all of Europe has banned the practice of water fluoridation. And safety issue aside, I think most people are concerned with why anyone has the right to medicate the water for everyone regardless of if they need/want it.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

Hey, this is supposed to be at the other end in response to Beth Grant rapturin'.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

@bmarvel The "UNIVERSAL SOLVENT" is NOT associated with various caustic, poisonous and explosive compounds.  Nor is water an acid.  An acid has a low pH, water is basically neutral.  Get it, BASIC NEUTRAL?  Basic refers to alkalies. 

observist
observist topcommenter

@bmarvel Early bird gets the worm Bill - FKAPaul made that joke downthread 5 hours ago. 

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

@ScottsMerkin We add bleach to the water, you can smell the chlorine.  In San Marcos thru San Antonio, I don't think they add anything to the water.  It's straight from the aquifer.  So much calcium carbonate in that water that it turns to flakes in ice.  And, of course in many countries they don't purify the water.  It's for bathing, washing dishes or is boiled for cooking.  Drinking water comes from bottles.  It's not that awful a way to live. 

RichardHayes
RichardHayes

@bifftannen Before I choose sides, I'd like to know if "Preventable Disease Island" will be clothing optional?

RichardHayes
RichardHayes

@bifftannen Don't see how that's relevant. Vaccination is a medical choice.  Forced medication through the water is a different situation.  There's plenty of supporting studies on both sides of fluoride.  Whether it's good or bad for us, shouldn't we as individuals have the right to choose what we're medicated with?  There's better methods available to those who want it.

mrbfishing
mrbfishing

Biff, can we just stick to the fluoridation topic?

kduble
kduble

@NewsDog Too much fluoride is harmful to teeth. It causes molting. This is why some communities have to reduce levels, as they're getting too much from their wells. Gatesville comes to mind.

lotus-ink
lotus-ink

@NewsDog You also had the benefit of an era of hygiene education and dental advancements. No one is fighting the use of fluoride in topical application.  The FDA approved fluoride that comes from the dentist and in your toothpaste is not the chemical that goes into the water system.  Applying fluoride to fortify your teeth and the constant systemic exposure are two different things.

lotus-ink
lotus-ink

@Daniel Chemical engineering plants are generally not considered naturally occurring facilities.

bifftannen
bifftannen

@lotus-ink So cite the research that proves that it is a harmful practice. Peer-reviewed studies, not a GeoCities link. Name the 14 Nobel Prize winners that oppose this. What are their backgrounds, what are they experts in? Writers aren't always the best scientists.


You're using nebulous terms to hide the fact you don't have anything to back your statements up with.

russell.allison1
russell.allison1

@lotus-ink Be careful about adding DDT to your examples-the man who did the research that was insturmental i getting banned has reveresed himself, calling the science behind the study, "junk" and there is a move gaining steam to bring it back to some areas of the world.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@scottindallas Scott,

i see that you are the kind of person who always explains and corrects somebody else's joke. You must be a hoot at parties.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@observist Thanks, observist. I guess I didn't read far enough in to the thread. But I do think the menace of dihydrogen oxide is so great that a single warning will not suffice.

observist
observist topcommenter

@RichardHayes @bifftannen If Preventible Disease Island (PDI) is clothing-optional, it will soon be known as "Public Display of Infection"

kduble
kduble

@RichardHayes @bifftannen Fluoride isn't medication. It occurs naturally. I used to live in Central Texas in a community that used well water. The water department's job there was to take some of the Fluoride out, because the well water had too much fluoride.

lotus-ink
lotus-ink

@bifftannen @lotus-ink Does medicine and chemistry qualify as reputable to you, Biff?  Look, it's not my job to site and link every comment. I'm not a journalist. I'm not leading an anti-flouride movement nor am I a biochemist.  All I hope to achieve with my responses is that perhaps someone might be intrigued to do their own research, not take my word (or yours).  And that this journalist is ignorant and makes uniformed commentary.  I am a big supporter of being an informed citizen, and I suspect you are too.

  The summary of my points is that there is some evidence of to contradict water fluoridation.  And more importantly IMO, it's unethical to put chemical additives in the water without individual consent.  We should each have the right to choose our own health plan, right or wrong.

mrbfishing
mrbfishing

Risk to kidney patients. People with kidney disease have a heightened susceptibility to fluoride toxicity. The heightened risk stems from an impaired ability to excrete fluoride from the body. As a result, toxic levels of fluoride can accumulate in the bones, intensify the toxicity of aluminum build-up, and cause or exacerbate a painful bone disease known as renal osteodystrophy. (20-23)

  1. Ng AHM, et al. (2004). Association between fluoride, magnesium, aluminum and bone quality in renal osteodystrophy. Bone 34: 216-224.
  2. Ittel TH, et al. (1992). Effect of fluoride on aluminum-induced bone disease in rats with renal failure. Kidney International 41: 1340-1348.
  3. Ayoob S, Gupta AK. (2006). Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Review on the Status and Stress Effects. Critical Reviews in Environmental Science and Technology 36:433–487

mrbfishing
mrbfishing

Risk to the thyroid gland. According to the NRC, fluoride is an “endocrine disrupter.” Most notably, the NRC has warned that doses of fluoride (0.01-0.03 mg/kg/day) achievable by drinking fluoridated water, may reduce the function of the thyroid among individuals with low-iodine intake. Reduction of thyroid activity can lead to loss of mental acuity, depression and weight gain (14)

National Research Council. (2006). Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA’s Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. p. 189-224.

mrbfishing
mrbfishing

Risk for bone cancer. Animal and human studies – including a recent study from a team of Harvard scientists – have found a connection between fluoride and a serious form of bone cancer (osteosarcoma) in males under the age of 20. The connection between fluoride and osteosarcoma has been described by the National Toxicology Program as “biologically plausible.” Up to half of adolescents who develop osteosarcoma die within a few years of diagnosis. (16-19)

lotus-ink
lotus-ink

@Daniel @lotus-ink Do you base that on the British stereotype?  The UK is also currently fighting to end water fluoridation.  In continental Europe, inexpensive fluoridated table salt is used to supplement in areas where natural fluoride is low.  Makes a lot more sense than medicating the water against people's will.

RichardHayes
RichardHayes

@kduble @RichardHayes @bifftannen Oh, for crying out loud!  They don't add natural flouride to the water here, that's the point of all this.  They add a chemical substitute for it.  thats what all this hubbub is about.

If fluoride isn't a drug then why does the FDA list it as such, requires drug listing on products, and there's prescription strength fluoride available through your dentist?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

@kduble @scottindallas @lotus-ink @NewsDog no it doesn't.  Your dentist will tell you DO NOT SWALLOW!  Toothpaste says DO NOT SWALLOW, while listing Fluoride as the active ingredient.  Maybe some fluorides, but no way can you say, that it must be ingested to build stronger teeth.  


Look, I'm agnostic on this issue, I get bothered by equivocation, which you're guilty of.  Unless it's equivocation for fun. 

kduble
kduble

@scottindallas @lotus-ink @NewsDog Fluoride has to be digested in order to get into the body and build stronger teeth. This is why fluoride is so important for children, as their teeth are forming. I don't think fluoride helps adults much, if at all.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@lotus-ink@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul@bifftannen 

You had said:

" ... And more importantly IMO, it's unethical to put chemical additives in the water without individual consent. ..."


How is this any different than the food additives that I listed above?


How is that any different from putting the flouride in table salt rather than in the water?


If it is unethical to put chemical additives in water without people's consent, should we stopping adding the disinfectants, especially since they are biocides?

lotus-ink
lotus-ink

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul @lotus-ink @bifftannen No need to make yourself look foolish by drawing attention to your poor reading comprehension of my statements above. That's not remotely related.  I choose what foods I buy for my family, and I certainly don't give them ones I feel are detrimental to their health.  The point was an individual's right to choose, whether wrong or right. You are aware of the modern concept of medical consent?

You may stand on my grave and laugh in 50 years when consuming chemicals and preservatives has proven the key to your immortality.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@lotus-ink @bifftannen Then you should also consider banning the addition of calcium, niacin, thiamine and folic acid in bread in order to prevent certain birth defects.  There is also the addition of Vitamin D in milk.

observist
observist topcommenter

@mrbfishing I started reading your post but I got all confused.  Then I started feeling sad and fat.

kduble
kduble

@mrbfishing At what levels? Fluoride even harms teeth when levels get too high.

mrbfishing
mrbfishing


 

  1. National Toxicology Program. (1990). Toxicology and Carcinogenesis Studies of Sodium Fluoride in F344/N Rats and B6C3f1 Mice. Technical report Series No. 393. NIH Publ. No 91-2848. National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, Research Triangle Park, N.C.
  2. Hoover RN, et al. (1991). Time trends for bone and joint cancers and osteosarcomas in the Surveillance, Epidemiology and End Results (SEER) Program. National Cancer Institute In: Review of Fluoride: Benefits and Risks. US Public Health Service. Appendix E & F.
  3. Cohn PD. (1992). A Brief Report On The Association Of Drinking Water Fluoridation And The Incidence of Osteosarcoma Among Young Males. New Jersey Department of Health Environ. Health Service: 1- 17.
  4. Bassin EB, Wypij D, Davis RB, Mittleman MA. (2006). Age-specific Fluoride Exposure in Drinking Water and Osteosarcoma (United States). Cancer Causes and Control 17: 421-8.

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