Klyde Warren Park Would Like to Begin Taxing Its Neighbors

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Head over to Klyde Warren Park at noon today and you'll be treated to a lunchtime piano recital. This evening, you can stop by for a zumba class, if that's your thing. Tomorrow it's a stroller boot camp and yoga, all in addition, of course, to the park's myriad other amenities.

It seems that free labor from the park's 10-year-old namesake isn't quite enough to keep a 5.2-acre deck park that draws 15,000 visitors per week up and running. And this, mind you, is before they put in the ice rink. Needless to say, young Klyde seems ill-suited for zamboni driving.

So, the park's operators are seeking to create a public improvement district that would levy a small tax on surrounding property owners ($250 per year per $1 million in appraised value) to help cover the park's operations and programming costs.

"The positive impact of Klyde Warren Park has surpassed expectations on every measure, creating enhanced quality of life and tremendous value for our city," Woodall Rodgers Park Foundation chairman Jody Grant said in a press release dispatched rather early this morning. "The park's unbelievable success and the proactive support of our neighbors have encouraged us to accelerate our efforts to form a PID."

The press release comes after the Morning News got its hands on a letter sent to property owners asking for their support, since they'll need at least 60-percent buy-in from affected property owners by April 1 if they want to.create the PID.

The irony, which News pauses briefly to note, is that the park has been heavily touted as a philanthropic gift to the city that requires no tax money to operate. But Grant makes the case that the park has been a boon to the neighborhood, generating traffic for surrounding businesses and allowing property owners to hike rents. Only fair that they chip in to support the park.

That's not unreasonable, though it might have been wise to notify people a bit earlier since, as Grant tells the Morning News, "we've been aware of this possibility for a long time."

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rroyb
rroyb

I didn't think that republics wanted any more new taxes - where are the Tea Party folks when we need them - and I haven't heard them say anything about he Trinity Toll Road either.

MittensRules
MittensRules

I'll only pay if they put a ballfield in since they took the one out at Griggs.  KWP is  a park nobody needed and they had to get private donations to pay for it.  Money would have been better spent building a park on the site of the old Reunion Arena where there is parking and where traffic to/from downtown wouldn't be impacted.   Make the companies who donated money for the park pay for its upkeep or follow @Montemalone 's suggestion and toll anyone who uses it.

Guest
Guest

Empress Suhm just figured out that you can't drill on a deck park. Klyde's gotta become a profit center like all the others!

Dustin Merritt
Dustin Merritt

I agree Justin, Katy Trail is used way more or at least just as much, I think their members program and friends is a great idea to carry over to Klyde Warren. however, the fact is they just want the money...

Sharon_Moreanus
Sharon_Moreanus topcommenter

Can we just take this out of Klyde's allowance?

Maybe he can have some of his friends come down and volunteer with him.

Mischell Ramos
Mischell Ramos

Ada just took the bebe's there on Sunday. They loved it.

Osvaldo Garcia
Osvaldo Garcia

Lame park its just a fad for now, give it a year or so and it will be an empty park

dallasdrilling.wordpress.com
dallasdrilling.wordpress.com

Perhaps they can pass the collection basket at Mayor Mike's pep rally on Saturday. Once again, his boss Mary Suhm pulled another scam on Dallas residents.


Michelle J Honea
Michelle J Honea

If it increased property values in the area, than it is already generating more propery tax revenue for the city as a result, so why another tax?

Justin 'Dub' Cook
Justin 'Dub' Cook

I love Klyde Warren Park and what it brings to Downtown (I'll love it more once the seemingly never-ending construction is complete). In fact, I just got home from going on a mid-day walk through the park before heading to work. Honestly, I don't even mind the idea of a small tax to keep it running and offering what it currently offers. However, as others have stated, I do mind the fact that they want to spring that tax on local businesses after the fact. Sure, the park has likely helped increase area property values, so why not use that goodwill to push a "Friends of Klyde Warren"-style fundraising campaign to solicit smaller, voluntary donations from nearby residents and small businesses instead of jumping straight to taxation? To ask for additional monies by way of taxation, so quickly after the park's opening and, seemingly, without exhausting other efforts, leads me to question the abilities and motives of the folks running the show.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

Why not just make it a toll-park. Either put turnstiles around the edge or implant a tolltag chip into all visitors and charge them by the minute.

Diana Ramirez
Diana Ramirez

As a regular visitor, I wouldn't mind paying the tax.

Benjamin Wright
Benjamin Wright

.025% isn't unreasonable, but the fact that it wasn't agreed to before the park was built is.

Rex Curry
Rex Curry

Klyde's daddy should pay for it.

Coleman Chance
Coleman Chance

So the park named after a billionaire's son is hurting for public money. That sounds about right.

Ryan Davis
Ryan Davis

I don't think a .025% property tax is unreasonable, especially considering how the park has most likely increased property value in it's immediate vicinity.

Dustin Merritt
Dustin Merritt

"The $110 million project was funded through a public-private partnership. Public support included $20 million in bond funds from the City of Dallas, $20 million in highway funds from the state and $16.7 million in stimulus funds. The balance of funding is through individual donors directly to the Woodall Rodgers Park Foundation. Klyde Warren Park is owned by the City of Dallas and privately operated and managed by the private Woodall Rodgers Park Foundation. The Foundation studied great public parks across the country and plans to bring best practices to the park’s operations, programming and maintenance."

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

*dammit*

I knew we should have asked for the undercoating package upfront.

Jordan Sandifer
Jordan Sandifer

Hey we are building a park. Btw we can't pay for it so we are going to tax people to pay for it.

russell.allison1
russell.allison1

I'm not a highly payed urban planner or an architect of public spaces or anything like that and I'm sure that people like that have bigger brains than me, but I woulda thought that future operating costs and how one is going to come about acquiring those dollars would have been included in say...the planning of this thing, maybe?  Isn't this very much like buying a bus and then looking around at everybody and asking who's gonna gas this puppy up for me?  Maybe buying a house and then walking next door to ask he neighbor when he's going to pay the light bill?  Does the fact that I might have addressed this little nugget before they built it over-qualify for the position of a Dallas urban planner?

Sharon_Moreanus
Sharon_Moreanus topcommenter

"60 percent buy-in from affected owners"

um no. It's 60 percent of property value — not 60 percent of the property affected owners.

Big difference.

oakclifftownie
oakclifftownie

Someone built a nice Nice Park NOW Neighbors you get to CO-Sign the Note for the UP KEEP ....... The other shoe dropped .

downtownworker
downtownworker

In principle I completely support this because property values have benefited from the park, but if the urgency here is that the restaurant has been delayed (and thus the park won't collect rent until January), then why not just ask for a one-time donation to cover O&M until the restaurant opens?

YesIcansam
YesIcansam

Maybe if there were fewer bits like reading areas, ping pong tables, water parks, dog runs, helipads, transforming robots, laser light shows, and whatever else (some of those might not be real...), they wouldn't need such a high operations budget...

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

@russell.allison1 no, in Dallas we pass bonds for operating expenses.  The rich will pay for these projects to get the charitable tax deduction but they refuse to pay more in taxes.  (This all affirms my point that higher tax rates would encourage a more productive economy, more charity, more wages, employee training, capital expansion, production.)

WylieH
WylieH

@russell.allison1 It probably WAS in the plan, they just kept the plan secret.  I suspect that Jody Grant and Mary Suhm agreed that they would get the park built, then spring the new PID on an unsuspecting public to fund the operations.

roo_ster
roo_ster

@russell.allison1 Build it and they will come (pay for it).

Or not.

Yes, you are obviously overqualified with your understanding of basic logic.  Quick, if you can demonstrate shaky ethics and the willingness to kiss bureaucratic backside, you may save your candidacy.

weeblepeeple
weeblepeeple

@Sharon_Moreanus   It will not double their overall property tax. They currently pay about 5 cents extra on the dollar. This will add an additional 2 cents. What they get for those extra few hundred dollars a year, if you're a home owner, is off-duty police patrol, the Trolley, maintenance, graffiti removal, trash cans, and many other improvements that keep the neighborhood beautiful. Not to mention a staff, that addresses complaints.If people can afford to live in Uptown, they won't care. They like being taken care of.

drtz
drtz

@downtownworker Last I checked increased property values meant their taxes are already going up anyway.

anon
anon

@YesIcansam by all means, let's take one of the first true quality of life improvements Dallas has made and take away everything that makes it nice. remember when people said that this deck park was folly, and that it would be a desert filled with urinating homeless people? that parking would be a nightmare and no one would show up? (parking is a nightmare, to be fair, but it doesn't seem to keep away visitors)

Sharon_Moreanus
Sharon_Moreanus topcommenter

@casiepierce most dont(or tif) ...seems Eric doesn't know either.

Sharon_Moreanus
Sharon_Moreanus topcommenter

@weeblepeeple reread. I said it a double tax-not overall. All im saying is PID's shouldn't overlap.

downtownworker
downtownworker

@drtz @downtownworker But tax money is going to municipal govt, not Klyde Warren Park. Seriously, do you think these businesses would rather go back to the old Woodall Rodgers? This park was dreamt up by the Real Estate Council for the purpose of increasing property values in the first place.

casiepierce
casiepierce

@anon @YesIcansam Well, gee it hasn't been open in the scorching July/August/September heat yet, now has it?

chad
chad

@downtownworker @nico.martini @drtz 

I agree but only if the hookers were both fat and trashy and not just fat or trashy.

nico.martini
nico.martini

@downtownworker @drtz So . . . . if I bulldoze the worst house in the neighborhood and bring everyone's property value up . . . they should pay for my lawn care?

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