Vonciel Hill: City Council Member, Prophet, Theologian and Sell-Out

Categories: Schutze

SHZ_GetOffMyLawn_TitleImageV2.jpg
This is a little embarrassing. Nobody wants to say it. It's sort of rude, I guess. Uh-oh. Sounds like my job. OK. Here goes.

Dallas City Council member Vonciel Hill is a mean-spirited, spiteful suck-up to the rich who is also increasingly unhinged. Ugly-talking. And way over the top out of bounds vile in her use of religion in council debates.

Yesterday in a Dallas City Council debate over gas drilling on city parkland, Hill compared council member Angela Hunt to Haman, the killer of Jews and symbol of all evil in the Book of Esther.

Not done yet. Next, Hill compared Dallas City Manager Mary Suhm to Jesus Christ. She predicted that Suhm would one day rise from the dead and enjoy her own personal version of Easter.

vonciel_hill.jpeg
Vonciel Hill skipped over that part about the 30 pieces of silver.
I could make jokes, I guess. I could wonder if the two Easters might be combined for the sake of efficiency, so that Christians everywhere could celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of Mary Suhm on the same day. Mmm. Not really in the mood for that today somehow.

Or I could go in the other direction and get into high dudgeon about Hill's obscene and blasphemous misuse of religious characterization in a political debate. But I've just never been big on blasphemy. Might have a bit of a glass-house issue there.

I could put it all off on other people and insist that Jews and Christians everywhere demand an apology from Hill and demand that she desist from molesting their religious beliefs in future gas drilling debates. But I guess Jews and Christians everywhere can take care of themselves.

No, I think Hill's words sort of do the job on their own. The best thing I can do here is put them on the map for you, so that you can read them and form your own appraisal.

Here's the setup. Council member Hunt had questioned City Manager Suhm sharply over a deception Suhm pulled on the council in 2008, promising to fight against gas drilling on parkland, then secretly signing a deal with a gas company saying she would win them permission to drill on parkland, then taking a $19 million check from them, on behalf of the city, in return for the deal that she hid for years from the council and from the public until Hunt and council member Scott Griggs got onto it recently.

I was not present yesterday. I watched it later on the computer. People who were present told me that the executive director of the private Dallas Citizens Council, Donna Halstead, was in the audience looking all eagle-eyed about everything, accompanied by Mary McDermott Cook, the rich lady whose very presence in the building always sends Hill into giggles and shivers, along with former council member (100 years ago) Craig Holcomb, who has emerged over the years as the Citizens Council's chief errand-person on Trinity River Toll Road issues, the only thing they really care about.

The Citizens Council has a vested interest in Suhm, because theirs is the only tune to which she can be counted on to dance. So Hill had a very special little audience to play to yesterday.

Here is a portion of what she said, speaking directly to Suhm:

"Recall in the story of Esther how Haman built the gallows for Mordecai, but it was Haman who hanged on the gallows. Those who affix the gallows for you may themselves hang on those gallows.

"And then reach forward from the Hebrew scriptures to the New Testament scriptures, where those who said of Jesus Christ on Good Friday, 'Well, he's done, he's dead, we've got him now,' wait three days, because Easter will come and there will be the resurrection. And those who pierced him on Good Friday are no longer known, and their names are not around, but two thousand and some years later, the name of the Christ is still ringing forth.
"Miss Suhm, this is a Good Friday moment, but I guarantee you from the faith well into which I reach, your Easter is coming, and you will sail forth."

One last thing about this. Since Hill is the one who chose to put the gas drilling debate on these terms, I think it's fair for me to turn it around and ask her a question on the same terms. And this is not a joke.

If Jesus Christ had signed a secret covenant with the Romans agreeing to look the other way while they screwed over the Jews, would we remember his name today? Really? Or wouldn't he have been just one more forgotten cheap politician who took on all sorts of cheap gaudy religious airs in order to pump up his profile? Like you, Ms. Hill. Exactly like you.


My Voice Nation Help
76 comments
ozonelarryb
ozonelarryb topcommenter

You so wrong. Give her a live prime time feed, and ask her a couple questions, like 2 + 2, and let her embarrass herself.

EastDallasDad
EastDallasDad

This is as ridiculous as Josh Hamilton comparing getting booed by Rangers fans to Christ's rejection in Nazareth. What an embarrassment. She needs to do us all a favor and stop talking. Is it any surprise that the Dallas Morning News endorsed her?    

If she's really a theologian, she may want to study some more. "...those who pierced him on Good Friday are no longer known, and their names are not around..." Sorry, Councilwoman Hill, but the millions of Christians around the world that venerate St. Longinus beg to differ.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Longinus


MisterMean
MisterMean

Ignorance can be fixed but Hill's stupidity is forever.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

What would Jesus do?

Let's recap:   Trinity East got an extension on the contract, so it's an enforceable one and they have applied for a drill permit. That's what drug all this out into the light. 

The Council meeting this week sealed the City's fate. 

A. Suhm had the authority to enter a land lease contract. 

B. At issue is the "all reasonable efforts" clause to help TE secure a drill permit . . . the entire reason for conveying the $19 million. 

Why enter a land lease if the foregone conclusion is that the lessor is going to block the only reason they are sitting at the table? 

C. At the same time she and her people make written and verbal statements they would not allow drilling on the parkland. And it sounded like the Council agreed to this fraud from the gitgo. 

Epilogue - She entered the contract in bad faith because the City needed the money real bad at the time but had no intention facilitating a drill permit. Even worse. The City would actively oppose it in direct contravention of the contract The City just signed and got millions for. And now that includes the City Council because they kissed the paper on this little fraud enterprise when a majority of the Council approved her actions, and intimated they are not going to approve the drill permit. Jesus is not on our side here, Ms. Hill. IN fact, Ms. Hill my God will smite you for what you have done.

Golden Rule No. 1 - Give the money back and hope to high heaven Trinity East will take it. Either that or issue a drill permit. 

But DO NOT keep the money and refuse the permit. This week you gave them a sword. THAT will cost the taxpayer.

russell.allison1
russell.allison1

The reality show that I keep shouting to somebody to film, based on the very real politics of Dallas just got better by a lot-a crazy old bat quoting scripture in place of logical debate! 

churchlady
churchlady

A seminary trained ordained clergy during this the Lenten season

is selling out all of Dallas for 30 pieces of silver,

(matters of the heart are revealed in speech)

 

dallasdrilling.wordpress.com
dallasdrilling.wordpress.com

Donna Halstead's trained council members did her proud yesterday. They read their scripts and performed as planned for their master.  I think it's time to publish the DCC roster so that everyone in Dallas knows exactly who is in charge of running the show here. I'll get to that after I finish washing the stink off of attending yesterday, as it just won't come off.

MikeWestEast
MikeWestEast

I do not understand why the council members did not see that fracking had really nothing to do with the issue. If someone on which you rely lies to you and you are that person's boss, you fire that person. It is cut and dried. I fully expected other members that supported fracking to be outraged. If you are in the seat you have a responsibility to defend the powers of that office. As partisan as the US Senate is, members usually from both sides use the cleavers on someone that challenges the body itself. Our council members are so pathetic that they did not recognize the situation for what it was: a subordinate lied to them, made them look stupid, and they blew it off.

director21
director21

Vonciel Hill's diatribe yesterday was the most insane, idiotic, heathen, illiterate sermon I have ever heard from an elected official. She should just whitewash herself and join the KKK because she is a disgrace to her own race and joke to everybody except her constituents who deserve exactly what they get for ever electing that imbecile to the City Council.

At lest, we know not to waste any time trying to use logic and reason with her because it would just fly right over her ignorant head. She even made Dwaine "Arthur adn Archie" Caraway seem rational and sane - something that is very difficult to do.

roo_ster
roo_ster

I don't mind the occasional Biblical reference, but comparing the city manager to Jesus is not only over the top, it is over the top and into low earth orbit.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

I like the look on Councilmember Hill's face.  It seems to exude the thought of: "My opinion has no connection with reality and I am not bothered in the least by it.  Besides, how dare you question my perception of reality.  If I say the sun rises in the west often enough, then by God it will."

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

Too bad we don't still live in the good ole days when they locked up batshitcrazy bitches and shot them up with thorazine.

Sister Jude could have helped her.

Trinity
Trinity

What people miss in the comments here is that you do have a chance to have a vote of confidence on the CMO in a few months. There is an open seat for the Dallas City Council in District 6, a new district that covers Pleasant Grove. Get a neighborhood leader who can represents the neighborhood and stand up to the drilling.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

I wonder if the council-members of this fair city might act more responsibly and honestly if there were a great big replica of the 10 Commandments posted up somewhere behind the horseshoe?

GuitarPlayer
GuitarPlayer

Yes, Vonciel Hill is a bonafide idiot. I know first hand. How this empty headed moron got elected is beyond me. It really defies logic.

schermbeck
schermbeck

What got lost yesterday is the incredible lack of honesty the City Manager and her staff have shown the hard-working Dallas residents who've kept the combined forces of Trinity East and City Hall at bay for the last three or four years, and actually won the only (legal) vote on these permits to date. 

She had an obligation to disclose the side agreement with the company publicly to these Dallas residents the moment this came to a head at the Plan Commission the first time in 2010. She ignored it. She had an obligation to disclose it when the Gas Drilling Task Force was created. She ignored it. She had the same obligation when the Task Force recommendations were published. She continued to ignore it. When the Mayor announced last November the permits would be voted on by the CPC in December, she had an especially large obligation to disclose. She ignored it. Were it not for the DO, we still wouldn't have seen the actual document. 

At all of these points, there's been consistent, overwhelming public opposition to going forward with irresponsible urban drilling. City Hall has ignored it. 

There is indeed "a minority that is passionate around gas drilling" in Dallas - and they can all be found working on the top floors of City Hall to make sure it happens come hell or high water despite what Dallas residents are on the record as saying they want.

jpgreenan
jpgreenan

I was there. I assumed Hunt and Hill and a side bet on who could come out with the most over the top histrionic performance, and while Hunt's high dudgeon over Mary Suhm's betrayal of her trust was pretty darn good, Hill's assumption of the prophetic voice completely won the day.

s.aten
s.aten

I wonder if the Dallas Citizens Council is giving her a horse for her "DRAMA QUEEN" performance yesterday.

if6were9
if6were9

As they asked in Jesus' time if John the Baptist was Elijah reincarnated......one must ask if Mary Suhm is P.T. Barnum's reincarnated spirit. :)

WylieH
WylieH

At first, I thought it was just Hill acting alone, totally unglued.  Later, my more cynical side starting wondering if the DCC wasn't intentionally using Hill to send Hunt, Griggs and other potential busy bodies a coded message:  mind your own business or you will be destroyed.

Hope that wasn't the case, but everything seemed so stage-managed yesterday and most of the members seemed very well coached.  So I guess I'm wondering, did Hill stray off message, or was she delivering EXACTLY the message the DCC wanted to send to the citizens of Dallas?

tam_tagon
tam_tagon

The political ignorance and sanctimonious arrogance exemplified in this analogy by Vonciel Hill will continue to hold South Dallas down.  

The extreme socio-economic segregation in Dallas is maintained by politicians like V.Hill.     

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@holmantx A point of explanation ...

An oil and gas lease is a very strange hybrid document.  It contains elements of both a real property right transfer and contractual obligations.


Without the creation of a superior surface easement on the surface fee by the mineral fee, the mineral fee is essentially worthless as the mineral fee cannot be developed.

If the mineral fee owner owns the tract of land in fee simple, that is all of the bundle of property rights, then it makes no sense that the fee simple owner would convey a mineral lease without the creation of the surface easement.


If the mineral fee and surface fee are owned by separate parties, then the surface easement of the mineral fee would have been created when the mineral fee was severed from the simple fee.  Even if this easement isn't stated in the conveyance of the surface fee with mineral fee retained, there is an implied easement as, again, the mineral fee would be worthless with out the ability to develop the mineral fee by having access to the surface fee.


This whole thing with the City of Dallas and Trinity East has turned into one big mess in my opinion.  In spite of what was said at the City Council meeting yesterday, this whole matter was grossly mismanaged in my opinion by the City of Dallas.

dallasdrilling.wordpress.com
dallasdrilling.wordpress.com

@MikeWestEast No, no, no. You have it wrong. The Council member's boss lied to them. That would be Mary Suhm. She runs the show, not the Mayor(water boy) or the Council. There was no way that they would slap her down on Wednesday and then try and get your street paved on Friday. EVERYTHING at City Hall goes through Mary.

dallasdrilling.wordpress.com
dallasdrilling.wordpress.com

@RTGolden1 I was there for that. The child was precious and the dialogue between he and Caraway was sweet and endearing. I'm sure that David will never forget that moment. Then Caraway and the majority of those on the payroll threw it down the toilet over the next 2 hours. A waste of a beautiful moment as the child and his family watched the whole dysfunctional mess.

timdickey
timdickey

@Trinity Huh? District 6 is Northwest Dallas, represented currently by Monica Alonzo, who recently indicated in a meeting with the Bachman/Northwest Highway Community Association that she's leaning against approval, for environmental and quality-of-life reasons.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@Trinity The only problem is that there will probably not be any drilling for Barnett shale gas in Pleasant Grove.


The way the 14-1 works, the councilmember in whose district the drilling will occur has the say on what happens.  By custom and convention the rest of the council will tend to go along.  The theory is, "You don't mess with my district and I won't mess with yours."

director21
director21

@GuitarPlayer That empty-headed moron got elected because her constituents are equally as empty-headed and moronic..

if6were9
if6were9

@GuitarPlayer Are you new to the Dallas political structure? City Hall is brimming with the inane and utterly "smack yourself in the noggin'" stupidity, one would(or should) only expect, from some fellas by the name of Moe/Larry/and Curly.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

@WylieH Seriously, are city council meetings this entertaining in other large cities?  Ive sat through a few of Arlington's and it never gets to the level of Dallas

Guesty
Guesty

@WylieH Understandable concern, but seems too coded to be effective.  Hunt and Griggs don't seem likely to have viewed Hill's rambling nonsense as a threat with any substance behind it.  I expect the DCC just told Hill to support Suhm and didn't really care if she acted as her crazy self or not.    

lisa.dawn
lisa.dawn

Yes, exactly. Most ordinary citizens do not hold onto prejudices. From my experience, we all seem to work quite well together in our communities oblivious of race. Those who promote the idea of "prejucice" are those who are in a political office controlling the money flow, stealing from the community organizations designed to promote development in South Dallas.

cantkeepthetruthdown
cantkeepthetruthdown

@tam_tagon No it is maintained by the worthless criminal culture and the clueless racist blacks who continue to elect politicians such as her. 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul @holmantx 

Everyone wants to jam up either the city or the city manager based upon their opinion on whether parkland should be developed with gas wells however, what comes now before all that is what did the City contractually agree to and was it in good faith?

Based upon that public session, it looks like the City agreed to explore, and it promised to facilitate-help TE with obtaining the drill permit.  This is worse than the permit being "unreasonably withheld" in some subsequent council/plan vote.  She bound the City to help facilitate but both verbally and in writing, before and after the land lease contract, the City (staff) say they will actively work against the issuance.  Bad Faith.

They are saying they intended to collect $19 million then block them because back then the City needed the money.  Looks like Fraud to me.

All I'm saying is that TE has a bitch, and it won't be the first time the City has cost the taxpayers millions doing goofy stuff like this.

A national theater company bought a tract in north Dallas to build a multi-screen cinema.  The tract was zoned for such a use but after the company bought the tract, the City would not issue a building permit (the neighbors complained).

The company sued the city and got an award that not only covered the price of the tract, but the cost of the buildout of the cinema - plus the building permit.

There are many other examples.

If we keep crawfishing around on either not issuing a drilling permit or not giving them their money back, we are going to make them mad . . . and it looks like the taxpayer (once again) will get their clock cleaned.

And, of course, Suhm, her henchman, the City Attorney, and some of the Council members will be afforded the opportunity to tell it to a judge and jury.  Sound like fun, but expensive.


GuitarPlayer
GuitarPlayer

@director21  

Yeah and I can say that about just as many morons in North Dallas as well. Get off your high horse dickwad. 

baker24
baker24

@if6were9 @GuitarPlayer I used to know someone who worked at WRR and was assigned to City Council meetings. He said on one occasion that it would really help the city if people elected candidates who could read and write.....

GuitarPlayer
GuitarPlayer

@if6were9  


No I'm not new to Dallas or this city's political ins and outs. I wrote that I have fist hand experience with Councilwoman Hill and I don't even live in her district. So take that as you will

if6were9
if6were9

@cantkeepthetruthdown @tam_tagon And let's not forget the even more supremely corrupt white folks in the northern sector, who funnel campaign contributions and other forms of support, in order for them to reign without fear of being dethroned. It usually takes two to tango.....and when speaking of corruption, it can sometimes resemble an orgy. :)

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

@holmantx @mewkins  Another point of distinction, since an oil and gas lease is considered a real property right transfer due to certain elements, The Statute of Frauds comes into play which requires all elements of a real property transfer to be governed by the written documents.  Any and all verbal agreements, representations, promises and/or statements are automatically ignored and have no bearing on the transaction.


With respect to the movie theatre example, the City would be in very deep doo - doo for denying a building permit for an approved use.  If the project depended upon an SUP that would be a completely different situation.


It is my opinion that the City has been capricious and selective in its P&Z and Code Compliance activities over time.  My favorite is "Restaurant without Drive Through Service"  that appear to have obtained more than 75% of their sales receipts from the sale of alcohol; or, were operating as defacto dance halls.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

@mewkins I stand corrected on the facts however, my intent was to point out that at times the Council will act irrationally and arbitrarily when it has been warned (at the time the City Attorney, I think, advised them to not deny the permit) when it was a listed (permitted) use under the development code.

In this case, Suhm was bound contractually to facilitate and made written and verbal statements on both sides of the contract date that she would not support it.  Then the Council falls in behind her and opens up an avenue to the lessee in court that the City did not act in good faith just to get the $19 Million.

mewkins
mewkins

Your facts on the "national theater company" case are a little off. The owner of the tract ("Mr. X") submitted the proposed development plan, a giant movie theatre. City says, "not a permitted use". Apparently, acting outside of the scope of their authority. Theater company loses contract of sale with Mr. X and sues City. Nevertheless, I get your point. Getting sued costs alot of money. And sometimes you can't hide behind Sovereign Immunity, or in Suhm's case Qualified Immunity.

timdickey
timdickey

@schermbeck @timdickey @Trinity There were about 40 people at the meeting, attendees kept pressing her to indicate where she stood or was leaning and she clearly said she was leaning AGAINST approval, for environmental reasons. Lots of witnesses.

baker24
baker24

@if6were9 And this is why Schutze is right about the Trinity River Parkway, which will get built by the DCC (and our money). And once they build that thing, you can well and truly kiss goodbye any park-like amenities in the Trinity River bottoms, because that sucker will have to be kept FAR away from the levees to placate the Corps of Engineers. There won't be enough room to build any decent park facilities in a lot of areas.

if6were9
if6were9

@cantkeepthetruthdown @HangTheTexan @if6were9 No, you deal with a "reality" that fits your specific agenda. I'm not saying that others don't do that as well.....heck, we all do to certain degrees, but i'd be willing to bet that if you were shown the "real" truth, and not that which can be freely sought for you, on the pages of 'StormFront', you'd probably go into another one of your silly trite trivialities of "cointelpro, dude.....and blahblahblah whitey is AWESOME" shite you types spit forth from your forked tongues. :)

if6were9
if6were9

@HangTheTexan @cantkeepthetruthdown @if6were9 I think the only thing that 'cantkeepthetruthdown', can't keep down, is the turmoil their person feels due to the actual truth which they know deep within them.....and that's that they've been wrong about everything. :)

Now Trending

Dallas Concert Tickets

From the Vault

 

General

Loading...