Some Teens Were Playing Football in the Street Last Night, So a Drunken Neighbor Threatened Them With a Gun

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At 10:30 last night, a 17-year-old boy and two friends, a 15-year-old boy and 14-year-old girl, were playing some late-night football on a Pleasant Grove street when a neighbor, clearly drunk, emerged from a home nearby.

"I've got a dog, too," she shouted at the three teens, which was odd, since no one had said anything about a dog. Then, according to police, she "walked out into the street where she pulled out a black handgun, racked the slide once, and pointed it at the group in a sweeping motion."

The kids called for help from one of their mothers, who emerged to see what was going on. She found the woman standing in the street.

"Come and talk to me," the woman beckoned, all the while keeping her hand hidden behind her back. "I'm a parent too."

When the mother hesitated, the woman clumsily stuck something in the back of her waistband, then held her hands in the air as if this were proof she was unarmed.

"I ain't got nothing," she said, though the mother could clearly see a handgun protruding from her pants.

Police arrived after the woman had returned to her house. She greeted officers wearing a bath robe and reeking of alcohol. She admitted she had been drinking but, despite the Georgia concealed carry permit she was carrying, denied she had the gun, saying she hadn't wanted to bring it through airport security.

According to her version of events, she went outside after she thought she heard one of the children crying after being pushed into the bushes, but she quickly returned to her house. All the rest was made up, she insisted, something the mother denied.

Police advised both women to stay inside and left without making an arrest.

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TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

Is that a gun in your JUICY sweatpants? Or are you just happy to see me?

EastDallasDad
EastDallasDad

This is why some people (notice I didn't say all people gun nuts) don't need firearms.

Vince69
Vince69

Wow, this story has it all...homeowner exercising her right to bear areas to protect her home, oops, the street, efficacy of handgun training, sports, good parenting and quick ( albeit "slow") response and great investigative techniques by the police!

oakclifftownie
oakclifftownie

Dear G*D

 Please continue to let folks think I need to " RACK a ROUND " or some such when I step out of my house with my pistol or shot gun for that matter .

melindacook
melindacook

...and after they left she proceeded to shoot up the neighborhood...Oops!

russp
russp

If the story is accurate and the woman did walked into the street, brandish a weapon and then chamber a round (rack the slide), she violated a number of laws. The fact the police did nothing is just another example of why things are so bad in Dallas; nobody competent to do their jobs.

observist
observist topcommenter

I, for one, sleep better at night thanks to the thin, drunk line protecting us from tyranny.

ChrisYu
ChrisYu

Police did, however, detain the man with the laser pointer.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

...and a recent road rage incident quickly escalated into a gun battle.  This is how these gun nitwits settle an argument.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

If they would just arm all the little children, things like this would sort themselves out without burdening the overworked police.

JSSS
JSSS

Wait a minute. Three individuals say that the woman threatened them with a gun, and a fourth person confirms that she saw the woman with a gun -- AND NO ARRESTS ARE MADE???  WTF. Is DPD going to wait until this stupid drunken woman actually shoots somebofy before arresting her?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

A drunk doesn't have to attend those damn meetings.  I believe she's drifted over to the alcoholic side of the house.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@russp The police did do something.  They made contact with her.  Beyond the statements of the alleged witnesses, they had ZERO evidence.  If the complaintants want to head down to the station and swear out a complaint, then they can take that to a judge and get a warrant.  Beyond that, the cops acted properly.  They didn't see any brandishing -- they didn't even see a gun.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@observist The police have no duty to protect you.  They say it over and over in court.  All they do is come and make a report after the crime is done, and maybe catch the criminal if he falls into their laps.  (Thankfully, most criminals are really stupid and eventually do fall into a cop's lap.)

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz I would tell you it has nothing at all to do with guns.  But in your NY indoctrinated world-view, people don't bear or face any responsibility.  We can always blame too much government (when it cramps up your exercise of your rights), not enough government (when other people exercising their rights makes you uncomfortable), Big (insert industry here) (for when the crap you want costs too much), or a host of INANIMATE objects that cannot accomplish anything without human intervention (when you've screwed up and there's no convenient person to blame for it, example runaway vehicles, guns, propane tanks violently self-exploding, etc)

By the way, what are your thoughts on New Zealand's proposal to spay/neuter all existing cats and ban the importation of cats to the islands?  They're wanting to do it because cats are killing thousands of birds, pushing some near to extinction (Some say cats have caused the extinction of several species of birds in Oceania).  Good idea?  I mean, if SOME cat owners are irresponsible douchebags and let their cats run around killing birds, shouldn't we punish ALL cat owners?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

@Montemalone Actually, it's no joke.  Teachers and custodians are leaving firearms unattended all over the place.  It's only a matter of time before a kid grabs one and starts shooting.  It's lunacy.

iwearblack
iwearblack

@Montemalone 

It was Pleasant Grove, I'm surprised the kids were unarmed, not to mention playing football...

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

@JSSS I didn't read in the story where she threatened them with a gun.  I do think we have the right to carry in front of our homes, and forgive me if I don't see a big problem with her showing these kids that she's packing.  That doesn't necessarily imply a threat.  If she indeed threatened them with the gun, that might be another matter.  I think the police operated wisely here; even if they breached protocol--as it seems they could have been harder on the lady, had they really wanted to. 

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@JSSS That's right, damn the 4th Amendment, we've got people that are, you know, saying stuff, and something about a gun!

russp
russp

@everlastingphelps @russp 

So Dallas cops are not expected to investigate a possible crimes? Only handle what occurs in front of them?  

observist
observist topcommenter

@everlastingphelps @observist Who's talking about the police?  I'm talking about this noble patriot, brewer and gun owner, exercising her 2nd amendment rights to protect herself and neighbors from tyranny.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@scottindallas @JSSS I'm sorry scott.  If you're drunk, you do not have the right to carry.  Not in your home, not in front of your home, not anywhere.  Responsibility is the most important aspect of firearm ownership. 

JSSS
JSSS

Per the police report, she "walked out into the street where she pulled out a black handgun, racked the slide once, and pointed it at the group in a sweeping motion."  That's a threat.  Indeed, if I was present and she did that, I would be wholly justified in shooting multiple holes in her drunken carcass.

poppacraig
poppacraig

@scottindallas @JSSS

Sorry, I am pro 2nd amendment, but racking the slide and waving the gun in the direction of the kids is a threat

JSSS
JSSS

Do you know what the Fourth Amendment even says? The woman, unprovoked, pulled a gun, appeared to chamber a round, and pointed the gun at three unarmed teenagers standing on public property.  That's aggravated assault in Texas.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

@mcdallas @russp @everlastingphelps 

Wellllllll..... it's not like they never arrest folks without proper evidence. A person could be forgiven for thinking this might just be one of those times to take a drunk and unstable person away from a potentially deadly situation.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@russp @everlastingphelps Where did anyone say they didn't investigate?  The had a complaint.  There was nothing to back it up but the word of the complaintants.  They didn't see anything themselves.  They found a woman drunk in her own home.  They didn't see a gun, they didn't see anything illegal going on.

Their investigation has a clear path from there.  They ask the complaintants to swear out a complaint.  Then, they take that complaint to a judge and get a warrant.  THAT IS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.  If the complaintants won't swear out a complaint (or the cops don't believe them to be credible) then the investigation dies there.

Suppose you have been arguing with your neighbor over a barking dog.  If your neighbor calls the cops and tells them that you were out waving a gun around, should the cops just arrest you based on that, throw in cuffs, carry you downtown, print you, mugshot you, and hold you with all the other arrestees in a cell until you see a judge maybe 8 hours later?   Do you REALLY think that is how it should work?

mcdallas
mcdallas

@russp @everlastingphelps No.  They are supposed to arrest everyone who has ever been accused of committing a crime, evidence or no evidence.  That's their job, right?... to arrest people without evidence?

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@scottindallas @RTGolden1 @JSSS Carrying or using a firearm while intoxicated or under the influence of any type of drug never washes.  It is plain stupid.  Perhaps one has the right to do so in their own home, just because it is a Right doesn't make it right.


scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

@RTGolden1 @scottindallas @JSSS Perhaps having a concealed carry actually costs you some of your rights.  But, it's kinda hard to say that you can't use a firearm to protect your home cause you're drunk.  At some point that just doesn't wash. 

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@JSSS Per the police report, that is what the complainants alleged.  Doesn't mean it happened.  If the police had witnessed it, they would have arrested her (if they hadn't shot her on the spot in self defense.)

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

@bmarvel Probably drawing from the same well of authority of everyone else on this board who wasn't there, didn't see it, read the story and automatically became legal experts.

The story leaves out a lot.  What did the police do to ascertain there was no legitimate threat?  Is there a history of calls like this from this neighborhood?  We simply are not given enough detail to form intelligent opinions here.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@everlastingphelps And you know the claims are fabricated because....

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@poppacraig If it actually happened that way, and this isn't an ongoing spat between some neighbors that has escalated into fabricated claims.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@JSSS Where did any of those eyewitnesses swear to anything?

And the cops sure as hell didn't have the right to search the house.  Period.  Go to the judge.

JSSS
JSSS

There were three eyewitnesses to an alleged aggravated assault.  A fourth witness saw the gun.  That is more than enough evidence upon which to base an arrest.  Moreover, given that she was intoxicated and had committed an aggravated assault, the police had cause to search the house and seize the weapon. 

I am all for people having the right to own firearms. But you lose that right when you start threatening people with a gun while you are drunk.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@JSSS Have you ever even read it?  The right of the People to be secure in their PERSONS?  They can't arrest her just on someone saying something without more evidence.  They didn't have anything to corroborate what a bunch of minors and their guardian are saying.  They didn't have the gun.  They didn't have a warrant to search the house.

If the family wants to pursue it, they can go down to the station, swear out a complaint, and the cops can get a search warrant for the gun and an arrest warrant, if a judge will sign off on it.

That's how the constitution works.

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