Radio Host Mark Davis Thinks Allowing Women in Combat is an "Outrage Against Humanity"

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Yesterday, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced that the U.S. military will drop its ban on women serving in combat.

For many, this was a long overdue, a commonsense step and an acknowledgment that women are fighting in combat in places like Iraq and Afghanistan and have been for more than a decade, only without being included in the military promotion pipeline.

For radio host Mark Davis, this was the beginning of the end of American's military.

"This is a disaster," he said on his radio show this morning on 660 AM The Answer. "It is an outrage against humanity."

It's also a "sick perversion," "pernicious," and "one of the worst ideas since the beginning of time."

Don't get Davis wrong. He thinks women are "good and strong and wonderful," not to mention tough for enduring that whole childbirth thing. He just doesn't think they can pass the military's physical standards for those engaged in combat.

As proof, he points to the recent failure of two women to pass Marine infantry training, failing to note the small sample size, the fact that one of the women had already passed the punishing endurance test, and the fact that the Marines combat test is significantly tougher than that in other branches.

And what if women do meet the physical standards? Davis dismisses this out of hand, insisting the number who could to be "infinitesimally small," maybe five in the entire military, and predicts that those standards will inevitably be watered down when this becomes embarrassingly clear, thus weakening the country's fighting force.

If that doesn't convince you, Davis has another ace up his sleeve. Combat situations put soldiers in danger of being captured by the enemy. Part of a soldier's job is to withstand torture and to be able to endure hearing one's fellow soldiers do the same. Since men have a natural inclination, "wired by God himself," to protect and shelter women, they couldn't bear to hear the rape and torture they might be subjected to.

"To ask a male soldier to do that is unconscionable," he said.

What Panetta's decision amounts to, he says, is a misguided attempt to conform to liberal notions of diversity. Just like people who support same-sex marriage do so to be nice "to our gay brothers and sisters," and just like affirmative action was an attempt to "be nice to our brothers and sisters of color," letting women serve in combat is simply a way of being nice to women.

"When our military becomes a touchstone of diversity, and that becomes more important than winning wars, then we are screwed," he says.

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prodxn
prodxn

WAR is an outrage against humanity! Besides, aren't women on the front lines already? Team Lioness, anyone?

BurtonCooper
BurtonCooper

My dear departed aunt Gerry - an independent, tough-as-nails lesbian who could drink any punkass man under the table and rode a Harley during the 1950's - would have relished the opportunity to kick any man's ass who claimed she couldn't protect herself or serve her country on the battlefield.

Too bad she isn't here to knock little girlie man Mark Davis back on his fat, white, intolerant keester.

I'd rather have a single instance of my Aunt Gerry protecting this country than a whole company of good-ole-boy Texas rednecks or puffy Mark Davis bigot-clones.

Cliffhanger
Cliffhanger

There are usually strong arguments for both sides of a question.


But Mark Davis won't make any of them.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

I have always been what women consider to be a devastatingly beautiful man.  When I was 7 I dressed up and sang Old Shep like Elvis Presely in a class talent show.  Everyone cried including all the little girls in my rural school.  Since that day and everyday thereafter, a posse of them would chase me into the boys bathroom where I would stay until recess was over.  I hated them.  I asked my Ma if I could slug one to make them stop chasing me.  She said, “you can’t hit girls.”

As I passed through puberty it didn’t get any better.  My pheromone effect on young women was immediate, married or single, no matter the race.  I could usually stop a girl in her tracks at 5 yards.  Some even broke out in a light sheen.  It looked painful.  Even some of the guys would react in a similar fashion.  Am still dark complected with jet black hair.  It has always been this way and I do not know why.

Okay I lied.

But girls, now you get the point.  You know you cannot hang out on the battlefield because we’re going to operate differently.  And so will the enemy.

russell.allison1
russell.allison1

One word:  Testosterone.  What is the most dangerous weapon on the earth?  A 20 year old male with an assault weapon that has been pointed in the right direction by competent leadership.  Why is that so?  Testosterone flowing through his body and amplified by the conditioning and training he has recieved has done its work on his psyche making him ten feet tall, bulletproof and willing (and in some cases) able to run through a brick wall for the right cause.  Now, if we can find a bunch of hormonally challenged women (they wouldn't be much to look at, but...) then maybe I'm in. 

What this and other moves of this nature fail to address (as did Mr Davis) is that men and women have different bodies and different brains.  We are biologically different, psychologically different, anatomically different and emotionally different.  Be that a coincidence of evolution or part of the intelligent design it is nonetheless a fact and we ignore it to our detriment.

MikeWestEast
MikeWestEast

Someone from the Dallas Observer calling out someone for ranting something extreme just to get attention? Sound familiar? Step out of your cubicle and look for the old, bearded, out of shape guy that likely told you he was one of the 20 million boomers that claimed to one of the 500k actually at Woodstock.

rockhoundsmovie
rockhoundsmovie

What's sad about this is that this person (and other "personalities" like him) don't really have opinions on matters like these.  They just say things that a) they think will resound with whatever extreme political viewpoint they are pandering to or b) will seem "controversial" so that they'll get their name in the paper (remember newspapers?!?) and have people (like you and me) talking.  I fell bad for this guy who doesn't have the talent or ability to actually create or do something.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

 What this was, was a brilliantly conceived and executed diversionary tactic.  There was no hint of this in the national discussion for the last year.  The Administration has been weathering a lot of criticism lately, some well-deserved, some clearly petulant, all of it annoying and distracting.  Judging by a sampling of talk radio and conservative blogs last night and this morning, the entire fundamental right wing sector of our society has cleared their desks of gun control, benghazi questions, gay marriage and a host of other nitnoid grievances and is now focused like a laser on keeping women out of combat.

I don't have a lot of love for the Obama Administration (or the Republicans for that matter) But this was a brilliant move.

Russ Coffman
Russ Coffman

Called him once when he had some state rep lying about "hundreds of illegals voting in the last election" a few years ago. He went into a rage when I cited actual voter fraud cases from the Dallas News the previous day. One case prosecuted, a woman carried an absentee ballot from someone bedridden to the mailbox. Irrelevant liar who makes it up as he goes along, not up on current events.

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

Ryan - your context is completely wrong. Say what you want about my ideas of gender roles, this has nothing to do with their ability to pull a trigger. This has everything to do with what they can handle, and what we can handle. Evolve already? Buddy, I'm fucking miles ahead of you. I don't want to treat women like delicate flowers, I want to treat them like equals and in MY EXPERIENCE (compared to your NO experience, coward) they generally have no interest in equal performance and I know FROM MY EXPERIENCE that the standards are lowered in order for them to qualify for the roles they already have. Let's treat them equally, starting by removing any protections that they already have. Let's treat women infantrymen just like men, to include the hazing, shit talk, physical discipline, etc. You couldn't handle it, any they wouldn't be able to if it was TRULY equal. Terry - call me an ass all you want, you too are a coward and a pussy.

babadetiba
babadetiba

I train with Marines, both men and women. This is what could possibly happen:

Standards will lower because of the disproportiate amount of women failing the required test. Citing the tests are discriminatory in nature toward females, DoD will be pushed to lower standards.

The host may be off citing a small sample numbers, but I have personally trained with more than a few women and none can/could pass the men version of PFT for Marines.

Ryan Bauer
Ryan Bauer

Blake, you're silly. Your ideas about gender roles are outdated. Women can pull a trigger just fine. If you think that the rape of women soldiers is worse than the kind of torture male prisoners get, you're mistaken. You just want women to be delicate flowers that stay in the kitchen and raise children. Evolve already.

Terry Byars
Terry Byars

you're still trying to change the argument, i see. your assumptions are what make you an ass.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

One word: Israel

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

Ok, I'll answer for you. "No Blake, I don't have any experience in this". You cannot keep up, so stop trying. I'm not arguing against their acceptance of the inherit risks, but you don't understand that most women don't sign up for these jobs; they sign up to push pencils and fly desks. I'm arguing, from personal experience, that they'll find a way to do less, and you cannot accept that in combat, period.

roo_ster
roo_ster

The Progressive war on the realities of biology continues(1).  See, biology shows up the lie of the blank slate and that people can be molded to fit the vision of the anointed.

There are likely a very small number of female world-class athletes who might be able to meet the physical conditioning and performance standards of the more vigorous elements of SOCOM.  Like less than 100.  All of whom would be better off applying their freakish sixth-sigma talents(2) elsewhere and make megabucks.  Maybe an order of magnitude more could hack Army or USMC infantry unit standards of physical fitness.  Thing is, it requires much more effort on the part of women to achieve such prowess, relative to men.  Also, it costs the services more to train up women to ANY physical fitness standard than it does to train men to an equivalent standard.

IOW, expect to see standards watered down, as they have for fire & police services.

Davis is correct that de-sensitivity training is required to condition the natural (perhaps, western culture socialized, as well?) protective response of men to women in distress.  Because what this country really needs, more than anything, is women in combat and male service members inured to the suffering of women.  Just ask the wives of current servicemen and I am sure they'd like their husbands to feel no guilt if they beat on their wives & daughters. 
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(1) "The Right believes in biology, but not in evolution; the Left believes in evolution, but not in biology."
----Steve Sailer

(2) Guys who meet the standard are much more common, even in 2013 Obese Uh-merica.

Ashley Richardson
Ashley Richardson

Also, I'm looking at every official document I can find. The direct wording was "women in combative roles". Do you have a source that is confirming infantry opportunities only?

Ashley Richardson
Ashley Richardson

If a woman desires the role, she should be afford every opportunity within her skill set.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

He's still impossible to take seriously, but at least he lost the goofy beard & glasses and is less offensive to look at, now.

Terry Byars
Terry Byars

"keep trying to change the argument", eh? you didn't touch on issues of trust even once in your initial post. what you did was make an implication that americans won't be able to cope with women being put in situations as a direct result of the INFORMED CHOICE they have made. that's what i responded to. try to stay on topic, ok?

A-nony-mouse
A-nony-mouse

Huh... I guess Mark Davis thinks Israel is wrong for having women in front line combat roles. And I guess he will be decrying the inclusion of women in combat roles in the armed forces of New Zealand, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Germany, Norway, Serbia, Sweden and Switzerland as well.

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

This isn't combat roles, this is the infantry. They aren't in the infantry for a reason. A basic infantryman's behavior can best be summed up as purely alpha dog; few can survive in there already, fewer women will find it worth it.

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

Terry to you have any experience in this matter? I know for a fact, MEN, Marines, who couldn't handle being in the infantry and moved to other combat arms units; most of which have women serving in them. Its not a matter of seeing death, or being killed; its all about unit cohesion. If you cannot trust the person you are going to war with, you cannot fight effectively. This goes both ways. If a female combat infantryman feels as if she cannot trust the men she's with, bad things will happen. So pfft, you are mistaken.

Terry Byars
Terry Byars

pfft. if i'm not mistaken, anyone who enlists in any branch of the military does so with the knowledge that horrible things could very well happen to them. if they believe otherwise, they are rather foolish, don't you think? i mean really... the whole concept of warfare sort of hinges on at least the threat of death and dismemberment.

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

In 10 years you'll all be screaming to protect women from front line infantry units. From the warrior culture inside these units, to the things that our enemies will do to women when captured; America will not be able to handle it. Keep trying to change the argument, but there is a huge difference between getting in a firefight when ambushed while running a convoy to kicking in doors, closing with the enemy, and killing them. America is about to find its limits, and it's not going to be pretty. You think there's a domestic violence problem in the US? Wait until the realities of REAL front line infantry combat sinks in.

MiddleAgedMan
MiddleAgedMan

There are women who can develop the endurance, upper body strength, mindset, etc., to do these jobs. And they can be just as valuable members of a unit as men. There may never be as many as their male counterparts, but they will fight, bleed, and sometmimes be maimed or die as well. We can and should be as respectful and proud of them. Regardless of moron-pundits on the radio.

Area_Man
Area_Man

Mark Davis is a blowhard. Water is wet. Pope is Catholic. News at 11.

Jeffrey Lowry
Jeffrey Lowry

This guy fell into my ignore bucket a long time ago.

Ashley Richardson
Ashley Richardson

Women have been unofficially serving in combative roles for years. This now allows women to rightfully be promoted.

Terry Byars
Terry Byars

if you're that easily distracted, you probably shouldn't be in a combat situation.

Josh Wilemon
Josh Wilemon

His face is an outrage against humanity!

Tony Harvot
Tony Harvot

^ he is just another right wing radio host blowhard.

Rusty Banner
Rusty Banner

I sure love and appreciate the women who want to serve their country in that way, and I hate to deny them that privilege, but it's my belief that females presence in combat situations is a distraction. Outrage though ? Not really.

Steve Nabors
Steve Nabors

Who is Mark Davis? Just read the article and from what I can tell, he wants women to be barefoot in the kitchen. Has he been in the military before? I have and his comments don't jive with what I know about how we treat one another in the service.

Daniel
Daniel

Okay, this guy is, as Anna correctly identifies him, a "radio host" of local provenance, so probably his retrograde maunderings don't warrant comment.


Still, though -- this?:


"When our military becomes a touchstone of diversity, and that becomes more important than winning wars, then we are screwed."


Who the fuck does this trog think has been fighting out wars for the past 40 years? The God damned Hardy Boys? 

GuitarPlayer
GuitarPlayer

Mark Davis, J.D. Wells.....660am........a bunch of men who know NOTHING about women. Wanna-be tuff guys hiding in a glass booth.

Anna_Merlan
Anna_Merlan

How does he feel about human-shaped slabs of Spam serving in the military, though? Seems like that would affect him more directly. 

A-nony-mouse
A-nony-mouse

Is this performance art?  Spoken word poetry? The beginnings of a missive destined for Penthouse Letters?

gollyrojer
gollyrojer

@MikeWestEast I did actually meet a guy once who claimed to have been at Woodstock. But I've never had anyone claim to be one of the 20 million who claim to have been there.

roo_ster
roo_ster

@Ryan Bauer Human nature is the same today as it was 2000 years ago.  An understanding of men & women and their differences is not "outdated," just unfashionable.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

@roo_ster Other than your blog-handle, roo_ster, we'd love to hear about your qualifications to discuss "the realities of biology."

MiddleAgedMan
MiddleAgedMan

@roo_ster I believe in both biology and evolution...must be a moderate or a conservatve with liberal tendencies. Where do you get your $ figures on what it costs DoD to train troops to a particular physical standard, male vs female servicemenber? BTW, if a member of the team is suffering from wounds, held captive and beaten/sodomized as is all too common for US troops when POWs, the fact its happening at all overshadows my gender concerns. Mount a damn rescue mission already!

CitzenKim
CitzenKim

@A-nony-mouse Well, actually all those countries you listed in your 2nd sentence I'm sure he considers Godless liberal socialist failed states.  But yeah, I though Mark supports Israel, so now he's saying they are "sick perverts" committing outrage against humanity?

Daniel
Daniel

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