Texas Nationalist Movement's President Wants You To Think He Wrote That White House Secession Petition

At this point, you've probably heard just about enough about petitions, particularly the one lobbying the White House to let Texas "peacefully secede" from the United States . It's got over 100,000 signatures at this point, our managing editor Patrick Williams thinks the whole thing is deeply, pants-shittingly disturbing, and the rest of us are still wondering where we can buy a tiny holster for our gun's gun once Texas becomes the Republic-of.

But before that petition story had been flogged into a bloody, unrecognizable pulp by local and national media, there was another petition, circulated fruitlessly since February or so by Daniel Miller and the Texas Nationalist Movement, the organization of which he is president. We wrote about that just after the election last week. (The comments section from that article is still filling up with thoughtful nuggets about "this Islamists/Marxists [sic] president of ours.") And you'll never guess who popped up on Sean Hannity's TV show last night, chatting it up about secession while being given credit for starting the petition to the White House.

The clip comes to us courtesy of Mediaite, and begins with Hannity asking Miller, "You needed 25,000 to take it to the White House, you got 80,000. How long have you been trying to get people to sign this petition?" (Thereby demonstrating, among other things, the level of research Sean Hannity conducts to prepare for his show.)

"Well," replied Miller, smoothly side-stepping the fact that "Micah H.," a freshman from the University of Texas at Arlington, is actually responsible for all those signatures, "This petition is relatively new. But our organization has had a petition drive through the last two sessions of the Texas Legislature for this particular purpose." And every session, he added, TNM accumulates "thousands of signatures" from Texans "that just want to be able to have this issue come to a vote."

Miller called it a "cruel irony" that people like him and Sean Hannity, "who are really committed to the principles of liberty and freedom as envisioned by our founders" should have to stay yoked to a Union "that has fundamentally changed." Texas is treated like a "cash cow" by the feds, he added, who have "no regard for the sovereignty of the states."

Miller also added that "the petition that's going to the White House will accomplish virtually nothing." But, he said, "It will send a very clear message that the people of Texas want their independence."

Ultimately, he said, "any type of process where any state would choose to leave the Union must come down a vote of the people." If the issue were put to a non-binding referendum vote here, he added, the polling the TNM has done "shows that we would carry a majority of Texas."

The evidence for that seems a little dubious, let's say, given that less than 1 percent of the state has signed the largest secession petition. But Hannity sure seems invigorated by the idea. Fox News and the Texas Nationalists have both had a hard week. Why not give them this moment of weird, irrational sunshine?

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rumennek
rumennek

Who ever wrote this crap she calls journalism has no Ideal what she's talking about the TNM  distanced them self from that petition. Texas when we get the majority of the people to realize how much better we would be with out DC and that will happen, maybe not today but it will happen will do it we don't need permission.

tjscott
tjscott

Less than 800,000 Texans voted n this last election and now 114,000 people have signed the petition.

karenbrantleywrites
karenbrantleywrites

Hi, Anna. My name is Karen. I'm a member of The Texas Nationalist Movement. The petition Daniel was speaking of is here:

https://www.texasnationalist.com/index.php/the-petition It is a petition demanding "that the Governor and Legislature of Texas conduct a referendum on whether Texas should again become a sovereign and independent nation."

 

Having worked closely with Daniel and his precious wife, Cara, over the last year, I can tell you with much certainty that does not want nor would he take, credit for a White House petition "asking permission" to leave the Union as this is a state, not federal, matter.

 

Daniel is very knowledgeable about - and has devoted much of his life to - the study of world, U.S., state and local politics. He has also studied the U.S. Constitution and Texas' Bill of Rights extensively. You could mention just about any bill up for motion in either house or senate, federal or state, and he would most likely know what it states and where it stands. Besides that, he's a wonderful husband, father and friend. 

 

Also, I appreciate your concern that we've had a rough week but no, it hasn't been. Busy, but productive and we are all doing well. In closing, thank you for your time, Anna. Much appreciated. Wishing you a wonderful weekend and happy holidays. Blessing to you and yours. 

 

Best Regards, 

 

Karen Brantley

 

 

 

 

cantonhales
cantonhales

Does the petition mean anything when the US government collapses because it has unsustainable debt and can never repay it?  Who do we complain to when the government checks stop?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

As of Wednesday, the number of such petitions had grown to 50, one for each state, according to the Los Angeles Times. Vermont, a state so blue that one of its two U.S. Senators is a card-carrying member of the Democratic Socialist Party, became the last state to file a petition.

 

ABCNews reports that Texas now leads the secession race with 101,328 online signatures. The news site also notes that a number of anti-secession petitions have now been submitted, some of them vengeful in their demands. One reads:

 

"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported."

 

snip!

 

Now, Texas CAN legally split into five states and flood the Senate with 10 senators . . . 

 

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

There is a more impact full protest in motion, layoffs, reduced hours and higher prices due to the less affordable affordable care. So far, the solutions from the left seem to be along the lines of boycotts, which will cut business revenues further, causing more layoffs. Brilliant.

randi.trollop
randi.trollop

As I understand it, once a state "decides" to leave the union all of the states must approve it.  Anyone?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

I'm pleasantly surprised that only 100K Texans signed the silly thing.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

Steam-fitters call it a "pressure release valve".

rain391
rain391

Texas just can't stand itself unless it is embarrassing itself in front of the rest of the world.  If by some weird coincidence this should even come close to passing, we will be outta' here.  There are other lovely places to live in the states or the world for that matter. But, I am an American.  I have lived outside the country for years at a time but here is where I need my bones to rest.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

Don't all these swizzledicks realize the problem this will cause? They'll have to change the name to Seven Flags. It just doesn't sound right. And what kinda rides are they gonna have?

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

Whoever put up that petition sure is getting a lot of mileage from it, the most successful troll of the year.

ReginaCowan
ReginaCowan

 @karenbrantleywrites  Well said Karen.  I love how they turn what people say around to what they want others to believe.  I know for a fact that Daniel as well as a lot of our  other Texas Nationalist members have repeatedly stated that we had NOTHING to do with the petition to the whitehouse.  I guess some people are just slow learners but they'll get there.  Bless their little hearts.  

newmantaray
newmantaray

 @randi.trollop

 No, Randi, once a state holds a referendum, the people vote for secession, the Legislature passes an ordinance of secession, the state secedes from the Union. It is thereafter "alone" as an Independent State not longer part of that Union.  It is not a matter of mother (all the states) may I but a matter of "See ya mom (other states)", you can do what you want to do otherwise, but we (the now independent state) are gone.  It is not illegal, nor unlawful to do so.  It is a matter of the sovereignty of the states who formed the Union by agreement to join.  And if they decide alternately that they no longer agree to be joined with one another then they have the right to so chose to change their minds and go their own separate way.  No asking for permission since it is their RIGHT to do so as a separate and sovereign entity/State.

 

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz - I can't find info on the petition(s) that hold the record for signatures, but it appears the secession petitions from all states are at about 750,000 sigs. That has to be a record. As long as they don't wreck shit and cost the taxpayer millions, or kill people, they'll never get any respect from the left. Plus, they're probably white, further grist for the mock.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @rain391 

 

I was sentenced to Texas for the crime of marriage, I hate the damn place. But I've learned to love it for what it is, what it offers, and what it's provided for me. I'd fight for Texas if it came down to an Alamo moment, as long as the air conditiong held.

 

This really is a great place to get ahead, take risks, make money, and it's a great place to raise kids in a lot of ways.

 

Another reason to love Texas? Fewer visitors. If you've lived in a tourist destination, you'll appreciate that aspect.

 

And the weirdness, that's a brand. Why would anyone want anything less than a Texas governor who's dumb as a stump and shoots coyotes while jogging? And then we have Jerry Goober Jones, from Arkansas, but beyond our borders, he's Texan.

 

Without all that color and brashness, Texas would be... not Texas, it would be Ohio or one of those states people never really have any reason to talk about.

 

So since I've come to love Texas because I hate it, I have a special affinity for defending it.

 

monstruss
monstruss

 @Montemalone They're working really had to get the mechanics of the Mob Rule Lynching Adventure ride just right. so far it's making test riders' heads pop off. 

dave_bayouphoto
dave_bayouphoto

 @albert.finney000 "Plus, they're probably white, further grist for the mock."

Solution to everything, imply that those who want to leave the Union are somehow "racist." I would imagine the black and brown members of the TNM will be rather disappointed to find out their skin tone is changing.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

 @albert.finney000 Wow. 3/4 of a million folks out of roughly 350 million.

 

It would be quite interesting to see a demographic breakdown of these seditious folks.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

 @albert.finney000 So the holdouts will continue to have a big pissy fit for the next four years, the same as they have the last four years.

ChrisYu
ChrisYu

 @albert.finney000  @rain391

 Texas is not a tourist destination? Alamo, Southfork, SXSW, spring break,

Dealey, Big Tex and UFO's love Stephenville. maybe it doesn't seem like bransonville cause it's more spread out.

and Seven Flags over Texas could feature a ride called the Texas Toll Road and you can ride it over and over without paying and the secessionists can run around trying to collect money to run their country.

 

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @Montemalone 

 

Software issues, I gotta try harder.

 

But hey, if anyone pro or con actually believes Texas or any state is going to successfully secede, they're gonna be disappointed. Most see it for what it is, a protest. A dig at democrats, poke in the ribs. Whatever.

 

Kinda like the Occupy movement, but without the millions of dollars in damage and baby-sitting expenses, and the statement is a bit clearer.

 

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@Myrna.Minkoff-Katz - Dem's pissed and moaned under Bush for 8 years. Obama still is, so PKB?

observist
observist topcommenter

@ChrisYu@albert.finney000@rain391

Your list of Texas tourist attractions proves Al's point. One of the top Texas attractions you can think of is a commercialized house that appeared briefly in the opening credits of a crappy TV show that's been off the air for 25 years. Yee hah.

 

Texas is a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit here.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@ChrisYu @raino391 - Never said Texas wasn't a tourist destination, it is. I just want it to stay that way, to keep the warts.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@observist @Montemalone - That train has left the station. If the evil felon white guy had won, they might have revived a bit.

observist
observist topcommenter

 @albert.finney000  @Montemalone At least Occupy was an improvement over those idiotic G7 (or was it WTO?) protests in Seattle.  If they can continue to decrease the damage and increase the soap usage they might eventually make an impact.

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