Eliminate Race in Deciding UT Admissions? Fine, Then Let's Really Level the Field.

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Let's say Abigail Noel Fisher wins her appeal now pending before the U.S. Supreme Court. Let's say a more conservative court backtracks on earlier opinions supporting the use of race as an admissions criterion at the University of Texas and tells the university to stop considering race altogether.

So, what next? In the battle for a level playing field, what other unfair barriers must be toppled? That's the goal, right? Isn't the motivation of conservatives in waging war on race-based college admissions a fairer more equitable playing field? In their view any consideration of race in college admissions is a social gerrymander, a thumb on the scales of merit. Right?

But getting rid of race as a factor will hardly level the field. C'mon. We all see that. So next in line, I would assume, will be all of the other tricks people use to shoehorn their kids into college ahead of the competition. If race can't be a leg up, then we can't allow it to be a leg down, can we?

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Man, Abigail Noel Fisher is so white she should count for two admissions at UT.
If it's illegal even to consider race as a factor in achieving diversity, then we need to go ahead and outlaw all the other stuff that drives college admissions apart from true merit. We need to get all those other thumbs off the scale.

Does anybody even contend that we don't suffer from a brutal disparity in educational opportunity in this nation? And does any of us doubt that the huge differences in primary and secondary school education wind up being a big fat thumb on the scale? Aren't those inequalities tantamount to their own social gerrymander?

Forget about private school versus public. Maybe we'll get to that thumb in the 22nd century. Let's just start with public versus public -- the difference between the kind of hand-up a kid gets in a rich suburban district versus the slap-down the same child gets if cruel destiny causes him or her to be born into an urban public school education. Doesn't that make a huge difference? What did the baby do, in getting born, to deserve that kind of guaranteed disability?

Oh, wait. No, I hear you. You want to tell me something about "it's the parents." OK. It's the parents. Tell me again, what did the baby do, in getting born, to deserve those parents?

To hell with the baby? Really? That's how you think we build a stronger America? You want to take all the babies born into urban public school circumstances and say to hell with them? Where do you think that social policy brings us in the 22nd century?

Get one thing straight. Giving the urban student of color some points toward admission at UT does not mean that UT turns put less accomplished graduates. The university has shown again and again that all of its efforts toward diversity have raised, not lowered achievement levels.

But the fact is that there are goals other than simple test scores for our society to seek. Let's say we do wind up with this whiter college-educated population that the Fisher case envisions. The Texas Tribune recently published a guest column by Kenneth Jastrow, the former head of Temple-Inland packaging company, in which he said, "Diverse leaders are better able to understand, anticipate and penetrate diverse markets. As the world shrinks, the need for diverse leaders grows even more acute."

That quote was especially interesting to me, because of a phenomenon I think I have observed in our own politics here in Dallas. Over the years, it has been corporate leaders in national and international companies here who have tended to push the city forward on matters of race, in everything from electing our first black mayor to going after meaningful school reform.

Why? Do we think maybe they know something? And if they do, what would that be? Could it be that they get out and about more, face to face with a globe growing smaller and more diverse every day. And is it a globe that will only be more hostile to an America that still looks like a 1960s Sidney Poitier movie?

Imagine for a moment that we really do want to level the playing field, all of us, and it's not just pissed off white people trying to regain their cheat. And imagine we are prohibited from doing it by granting any points at all to minority kids for being minority.

Then we will need to level the field from the other end, by stripping away the unearned advantages of privileged birth. How? Oh, I'm sure we can figure out an algorithm. Say we take the average SAT scores from school districts all over Texas and re-weight them to cleanse them of the birth bias. A perfect score on all three segments of the SAT gives a kid a 2,400. This is easy.

If that kid comes from a rich suburban district where students regularly score 1,000 points higher than students from poor urban districts, you simply knock the rich kid's score down by that many points. Now he has a 1,400. Hey, this is a crude mechanism I propose here, and I'm sure that smarter people could come up with more sophisticated and more equitable mechanisms for leveling out the unearned birth bias.

Why bother, you ask?

Well, if nothing else, you have to go back that smaller globe and what the rest of the world sees when it shows up here at the table. Do we want them to look across the table and think, "Yeah, these are the same white yahoos we thought they were." Or would it be better for them to think, "Wow, this really is the land of opportunity. And equity."

Everything we do is a social gerrymander. Every court decision, every law passed, every presidential address is a statement of what this nation expects of itself, what it wants to be and how it intends to get there.

Let's take the Fisher plaintiffs at their word. The social gerrymander they seek is a shift toward what they think is a more equitable playing field. They want to bulldoze race-based barriers. Great. But if Fisher wins at the Supreme Court, we sure don't want to shut down the bulldozers. In fact they will have even more work to do down at the other end of the field.


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Unabashed_Liberal
Unabashed_Liberal

I got into UT through the "back door" by transferring after attaining high grades at community college.  I like the top 10% rule, affirmative action not so much.  But we definitely need some sort of socioeconomic factor to level the playing field.  

 

On another note, what is up with the racist right-wing trolls on these comment threads?    

rain392
rain392

Isn't there still more than one way to approach this issue?   My two Caucasian kids didn't qualify for UT Austin  in the late 80's and another in the mid 90's. The first one graduated from an international school, had multiple IB courses but never studied for the SAT and only got 1100 when they only had two parts.   She never took it again.  She also spoke 6 languages.  They wouldn't admit her in the fall but would admit her on probation in the summer.  If she got two A's and two B's, she could be a regular admission.  She did and graduated with a double major.

 

Our son has dyslexia and ADHD and was a major substance abuser by the time he graduated.  He did well at the international school in middle school with a tutor.  He got sober with a few pokes from us but mostly pokes from himself (and has been sober for many years) and spent three years at the community college learning to read, write and spell.  He got A's in classes like history, geography etc.  In 3 years, he has an associates degree and then went the UT Austin, majoring in biology, graduating in biology with a GPA of 3.5.  So you you see, you used to be able to look for the back doors to get into UT.  It would be a good idea to see which ones exist now.  You don't have to start as a freshman.   Plenty of kids flunk out, drop out  or transfer to other universities and there are open spaces in other years than the earliest year.  Just a thought.

 

 

RealityCheck
RealityCheck

More stupidity from Schutze?  Schutze, you overlook one simple fact that should be slapping you in the face like a cold dead fish.

 

You see, we have this little thing called the United States Constitution that specifically and emphatically prohibits discrimination on the basis of race!  THAT is why UT can't give preferences on the basis of race.  

 

If you are just so darn slap happy with UT giving admissions to lesser qualified candidates simply because their race makes them more "diverse", why don't you put your money where your mouth is?  You are writing a column for a newspaper in a major US market.  Why don't you let a lesser qualified minority write it instead -- all in the name of greater "diversity"?

 

Give up the paycheck you "earned" and put aside the hard work you've done and let a minority who had less experience and less qualifications do it instead.

 

If you refuse, you are either a racist or a hypocrite.  So which is it?

roo_ster
roo_ster

And, Lordy, what anger & hate toward folks who seek fair treatment.

roo_ster
roo_ster

Jim, you sure do like your race and racial discrimination straight up. 

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul
ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

Jim, I have a question .... Are you just stirring the pot; or, are you chumming the waters for the sharks?

pcwag33
pcwag33

Modern cultural Americ/ka is a sham that has become evident to anybody who wants to open their eyes.  It's gotten so bad, we should just let the Chinese run our gov't, and at least put us all back to productive work.

bigmeandog
bigmeandog

Why can't we just admit people who make the grade? If you don't, try again

jeneheffer
jeneheffer

Jim, it saddens me to read your articles which all seem to be so critical of even moderate views, and then have the comments made by the same old snarks. I have always liked  the Observer but now there is nothing new. Your criticism of white people and your shame at not being black has been boring for so long. I think I'll read a book.

no_really
no_really

SES is a far better indicator of educational performance than race. I am a high school teacher, and I've seen this first hand. Why not consider giving help to economically disadvantaged kids instead of ones of a different race?

faithbasedlibtard
faithbasedlibtard

Well at least in the pre-college public schools there is always this kind of "affirmative action" to fall back on, see also Atlanta public schools, DISD, DeSoto, East St Louis, and many other affirmative-action-hire run school districts nationwide. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/education/el-paso-rattled-by-scandal-of-disappeared-students.html?src=rechp&_r=4& El Paso Schools Confront Scandal of Students Who ‘Disappeared’ at Test Time By MANNY FERNANDEZ Published: October 13, 2012 EL PASO — It sounded at first like a familiar story: school administrators, seeking to meet state and federal standards, fraudulently raised students’ scores on crucial exams. But in the cheating scandal that has shaken the 64,000-student school district in this border city, administrators manipulated more than numbers. They are accused of keeping low-performing students out of classrooms altogether by improperly holding some back, accelerating others and preventing many from showing up for the tests or enrolling in school at all. It led to a dramatic moment at the federal courthouse this month, when a former schools superintendent, Lorenzo Garcia, was sentenced to prison for his role in orchestrating the testing scandal. But for students and parents, the case did not end there. A federal investigation continues, with the likelihood of more arrests of administrators who helped Mr. Garcia. Federal prosecutors charged Mr. Garcia, 57, with devising an elaborate program to inflate test scores to improve the performance of struggling schools under the federal No Child Left Behind Act and to allow him to collect annual bonuses for meeting district goals. The scheme, elements of which were carried out for most of Mr. Garcia’s nearly six-year tenure, centered on a state-mandated test taken by sophomores. Known as the Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills, it measures performance in reading, mathematics and other subjects. The scheme’s objective was to keep low-performing students out of the classroom so they would not take the test and drag scores down, according to prosecutors, former principals and school advocates. Students identified as low-performing were transferred to charter schools, discouraged from enrolling in school or were visited at home by truant officers and told not to go to school on the test day. For some, credits were deleted from transcripts or grades were changed from passing to failing or from failing to passing so they could be reclassified as freshmen or juniors. Others intentionally held back were allowed to catch up before graduation with “turbo-mesters,” in which students earned a semester’s worth of credit for a few hours of computer work. A former high school principal said in an interview and in court that one student earned two semester credits in three hours on the last day of school. Still other students who transferred to the district from Mexico were automatically put in the ninth grade, even if they had earned credits for the 10th grade, to keep them from taking the test. “He essentially treated these students as pawns in a scheme to make it look as though he was achieving the thresholds he needed for his bonuses,” said Robert Pitman, the United States attorney for the Western District of Texas, whose office prosecuted Mr. Garcia. Another former principal, Lionel Rubio, said he knew of six students who had been pushed out of high school and had not pursued an education since. In 2008, Linda Hernandez-Romero’s daughter repeated her freshman year at Bowie High School after administrators told her she was not allowed to return as a sophomore. Ms. Hernandez-Romero said administrators told her that her daughter was not doing well academically and was not likely to perform well on the test. Ms. Hernandez-Romero protested the decision, but she said her daughter never followed through with her education, never received a diploma or a G.E.D. and now, at age 21, has three children, is jobless and survives on welfare. ... Mr. Garcia was the first superintendent in the country to be charged with manipulating data used to assess compliance with No Child Left Behind for financial gain, the authorities said. Before he was hired in 2006, Mr. Garcia was a deputy superintendent in Dallas and received a doctorate from the University of Houston. His annual salary was $280,314 when he resigned last November, three months after his arrest. In June, Mr. Garcia pleaded guilty to two counts of conspiracy to commit mail fraud. One charge was connected to the scandal, and the other involved his efforts to secure a $450,000 no-bid contract for a consulting firm run by his former mistress. He was sentenced to three years and six months in federal prison and was ordered to pay $180,000 in restitution to the district. He was also fined $56,500, the amount of testing-related bonuses he had received.

James080
James080

"Man, Abigail Noel Fisher is so white she should count for two admissions at UT."--Schutze

 

Really?  Picking on a school girl because of the color of her skin. Nice.....

 

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

Somehow this "honor student" failed to graduate in the top 10% of her class, and failed to score above the threshold on the SATs.  That's a pretty watered down honor.  But, back to Schutze's article.  The 10% figure in fact offers opportunity by those who matriculate through sub-par schools.  This red headed step child failed to meet that criteria.  I suppose she's among the entitled class that occupies the 53%. 

icowrich
icowrich

The real problem with affirmative action is that it plops students into an environment for which they are not prepared.  If you lower your SAT standards for one subset by 200 points, then you are going to have those very students surrounded by peers who perform 200 points better than they do.  This is why graduation rates for such students are so dismal.  It isn't because targeted minority groups are any less smart, it's because we place them over their heads.  Students are not well served by such mismatches.On the other hand, affirmative action for pre-k students is known to work.  It probably works up through 3rd grade.  These students achieve at higher levels early, thus making them able to compete at later ages without setting lower standards for them.  Instead of intuiting that they are less capable than everybody else, they *know* they are just as good and will be able to truly compete in level playing field.Institute affirmative action (using programs like Head Start) for pre-k through 3rd grade on a massive scale, eliminate it everywhere else.  That is what will work.

schutzecensorsfacts
schutzecensorsfacts

Why all the censorship of scientific facts, Jim? You obviously don't want anyone to know the actual facts since they make you look like a naive faith-based creationist who hates science and evolution.

James080
James080

That last "new post" didn't last long....

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Even as a Liberal, I see Affirmative Action plans as an anachronism.  I was never really comfortable with discrimination in any form anyway.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @RealityCheck I bet the Supreme Court never considered the Constitution in their previous rulings.  Or, perhaps you're the one who's reality challenged.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @pcwag33 Raising top marginal tax rates and cap gains would create more productive work, but we don't do that either, as the American "greed" culture is indeed destroying this country.  Why don't you hear this on TV?  Cause NO ONE is on TV who doesn't have something to sell.  When the "experts" come on, with nothing they're obviously selling, they're selling you something, you just don't know who's paying them.  At least when lawyers speak, you know who their client is.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

 @jeneheffer Good. I hope you read it while you cross the street.

tmarclyman
tmarclyman

 @faithbasedlibtard 

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mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @faithbasedlibtard

 so your now attacking these administrators as being placed in their jobs due to some form of "affirmative action hiring"?

 

wow. you sure are prone to selecting positions that are sure fail ones.

 

the only way your thinly veiled racist position could be valid is if there aren't any anglo administrators who are also guilty of malfeasance and/or fraud.

 

that isn't the case, you are exposed.

 

keep trying, you at least bring a good laugh to this section. unfortunately for you it is at your expense.

 

CraigT42
CraigT42

 @James080 Yeah, I have read Schutze for years but that was a juvenile and pathetic attack.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @icowrich But graduation rates AREN"T so dismal.    If you want to see affirmative action, go look at university scores and the jobs that are garnered.  There's many 2.0 students who get to ride the nepotism train, and then we get stupid dullards who don't understand the the low tax argument is hogwash.  They do as daddy tells them. 

schutzecensorsfacts
schutzecensorsfacts

@James080 Jim Schutze hates science when it proves his naive white-guilt faith-based libtard religion to be totally wrong.

Unabashed_Liberal
Unabashed_Liberal

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Agreed.  I do, however think that socioeconomic and/or school district should play a factor.  I believe this is already currently addressed with the top 10% rule

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz As a liberal, you've failed to describe "affirmative action."  Does it refer to "preferential hiring"  "quotas" or actual "affirmative action?"  Each implies a different idea.  Preferential hiring hires the top qualified applicant, with the tie falling to the racial minority. 

PrestonHoller
PrestonHoller

@JimSX

Jim Shutze's logic:  When I suggest implementing a voucher system to allow impoverished family’s the option to improve their child’s educational opportunities I’m a big mad conservative meanie who “wants to kill kids.” 

 

But Shutze’s desire for someone to be killed reading a book while walking into the street make him just the white knight carrying the standard of liberalism.

 

No wonder liberalism is dying.

 

killyourselfjim
killyourselfjim

@JimSX Kill yourself, Jim. Commit suicide today! Make sure that shotgun is loaded, turn it around, put the barrel in your mouth, and pull the trigger. Blow your head off. Kill yourself, Jim. Commit suicide today. I know you want to sometimes.

faithbasedlibtard
faithbasedlibtard

@mavdog you are ignorant of the various school test scandals nationwide like those i mentioned above. Pretty much zero whites involved. Naive white-guilter. If you can find me some major public school cheating scandals that involve a majority of whites, by all means, you are welcome to do so.

1dailyreader
1dailyreader

 @CraigT42  @James080 I don't think this was an attack at all.  Just stating the obvious.  If you aren't a minority which you obviously aren't, you wouldn't understand the bias in public schools just to get into college.  Yes, I'm classified as a minority only by race so I do know about this subject all too well.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @scottindallas  @icowrich

 icowrich has a valid point. the 10% rule grants automatic admission to kids who graduate at the top of their class in a mediocre school, who do not have the level of skills to do well.

 

interesting article speaking to this very issue I read last week:

"Jareau Hall breezed through high school in Syracuse, N.Y. Graduating in the top 20% of his class, he had been class president and a successful athlete, and he sang in gospel choir. He was actively recruited by Colgate University in rural New York, one of the nation's top liberal-arts colleges.

 

None of Colgate's recruiters mentioned to Mr. Hall that his combined math and verbal SAT scores were some 250 points below the class median—let alone that this would put him at great risk of academic difficulty.

 

Many black and Hispanic students admitted to elite schools for which they are not prepared end up getting low grades, switching to easier majors, or dropping out altogether.

 

Arriving at Colgate in 2002, he quickly found himself struggling in class, with far more rigorous coursework than he had ever faced. "Nobody told me what would be expected of me beforehand," recalls Mr. Hall, now 28. "I really didn't know what I was getting into. And it all made me feel as if I wasn't smart enough."

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444799904578050901460576218.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

schutzecensorsfacts
schutzecensorsfacts

@scottindallas Race has no scientific basis huh? That must be why race is such an important factor in bone-marrow transplants and blood transfusions. Must explain this too - no scientific basis - yeah right: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21223544 BMC Med. 2011 Jan 11 Differential endothelial cell gene expression by African Americans versus Caucasian Americans: a possible contribution to health disparity in vascular disease and cancer. Wei P, Milbauer LC, Enenstein J, Nguyen J, Pan W, Hebbel RP. Source Vascular Biology Center, Department of Medicine, Medical School, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA. Abstract BACKGROUND: Health disparities and the high prevalence of cardiovascular disease continue to be perplexing worldwide health challenges. This study addresses the possibility that genetic differences affecting the biology of the vascular endothelium could be a factor contributing to the increased burden of cardiovascular disease and cancer among African Americans (AA) compared to Caucasian Americans (CA). METHODS: From self-identified, healthy, 20 to 29-year-old AA (n = 21) and CA (n = 17), we established cultures of blood outgrowth endothelial cells (BOEC) and applied microarray profiling. BOEC have never been exposed to in vivo influences, and their gene expression reflects culture conditions (meticulously controlled) and donor genetics. Significance Analysis of Microarray identified differential expression of single genes. Gene Set Enrichment Analysis examined expression of pre-determined gene sets that survey nine biological systems relevant to endothelial biology. RESULTS: At the highly stringent threshold of False Discovery Rate (FDR) = 0, 31 single genes were differentially expressed in AA. PSPH exhibited the greatest fold-change (AA > CA), but this was entirely accounted for by a homolog (PSPHL) hidden within the PSPH probe set. Among other significantly different genes were: for AA > CA, SOS1, AMFR, FGFR3; and for AA CA) for 46/157 genes within that system. CONCLUSIONS: Many of the genes implicated here have substantial roles in endothelial biology. Shear stress response, a critical regulator of endothelial function and vascular homeostasis, may be different between AA and CA. These results potentially have direct implications for the role of endothelial cells in vascular disease (hypertension, stroke) and cancer (via angiogenesis). Also, they are consistent with our over-arching hypothesis that genetic influences stemming from ancestral continent-of-origin could impact upon endothelial cell biology and thereby contribute to disparity of vascular-related disease burden among AA. The method used here could be productively employed to bridge the gap between information from structural genomics (for example, disease association) and cell function and pathophysiology. PMID: 21223544 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] PMCID: PMC3029215

CraigT42
CraigT42

 @scottindallas  In theory that is what preferential hiring does.  In reality it rarely works that way. 

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

they were white teachers/administrators involved.

 

you think it is the kids who organize cheating scandals on these tests? too funny.

 

what a putz you are. looking to blame non-white people for all society's ills.

 

all that hate inside your head. what a miserable existence you live.

 

get some help, you really need it.

 

faithbasedlibtard
faithbasedlibtard

@mavdog NY Stuyvesant High: 67% Asian/Pacific Islander, 27% White. Beach Court Elementary in Denver - 94% Hispanic, 3% White. Woodbridge High NJ - 53% White, 24% Hispanic, 15% black. You barely got a white majority at Woodbridge. I told you to find me school scandals at white majority schools. Congratulations, one of the three you found is majority white (BARELY). All data from greatschools.org.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @faithbasedlibtard  

 

"pretty much zero whites involved"

 

NY Stuyvesant

Denver Beach Court

NJ Woodbridge

 

really, making you look small is just too easy....

it must really suck to look at the world thru lenses that only see color....

tmarclyman
tmarclyman

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RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

 @faithbasedlibtard Selectively picking and choosing the science you base your assumptions on is no different than what you're claiming Schutze is doing.  When you try to point to one thing, or one aspect of science to explain something as complex as the human race, you're going to walk yourself into a trap.  The category of race that we so conveniently apply to people is broadly encompassing.  It takes into account clinal differences, biological differences, cultural differences, linguistic differences, even religious and philosophical differences.  Any of these "soft" differences can account for or mitigate or even eliminate the 'hard' fact of genetic probability.  

 

I was a linguist for many years, that is what I know.  Does your genetic research explain why every human child is born capable of attaining fluency in any and every language on the planet, yet by age 5 the pool of languages in which that child can attain fluency begins to shrink?  No, it cannot, because this is not a biological difference but a cultural difference.  Regardless, it is a factual difference, supported by empirical evidence.  And it makes no difference what the perceived 'racial' differences are between two children.  If a French child and a Ugandan child are both placed in a Japanese home from birth, both children will, at adulthood, be unable to or have great difficulty, pronouncing the phonic for "L".  This despite the fact that their 'hereditary' languages both incorporate that phonic.  Now, this is not a simple learning issue, this is a physical inability to pronounce the letter L.  It is not isolated either.  Have an American or Mexican, in their 20's try to master some of the Arabic phonics.  We can come close to some of the glottals and gutterals, but simply cannot attain a native ability to do so.

 

I hope this shows you that there is more to 'race' and 'racism' than simple genetics.  Race IS a social construct more than a biological one.  The very idea of 'race' to categorize human populations is disavowed by the very branches of science you are using to support it.  Biologists, anthropologists and sociologists all agree that the differences between 'races' are too insignificant to categorize anyone as belonging to a sub-species.

faithbasedlibtard
faithbasedlibtard

Which blacks? Oh I dunno, you should ask a forensic anthropologist since they can tell just by looking at someone's skeleton.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @faithbasedlibtard  @RTGolden1  @schutzecensorsfacts  @scottindallas Which "Blacks"  what "blacks?"  how do you define that?  there is no delineation in the genetic code, or anywhere else.  For instance, Ethiopians are considered "Caucasian" whatever that means.  Here race is determined, not by race, but by nose shape.  It's all arbitrary, try reading a bit of Anthropology.  You know, the study of humans, culture, genetics and society. 

faithbasedlibtard
faithbasedlibtard

@RTGolden1 @schutzecensorsfacts @scottindallas Jim censors me every time I post the articles about blacks & testosterone levels, testosterone & aggressive violent behavior, and testosterone and intelligence. They contradict his religion and he can't have that.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

 @schutzecensorsfacts  @scottindallas And this applies to academic achievement in what way?  The science of genetics is a completely different field than the science of education.  Good to see you're learning though, you've now learned to post the link, we just need to work on getting you to forego cut and pasting the entire article.

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