After Son's Allegedly Ugly Treatment on Trip to Europe, Mom Wants DISD Teacher Gone

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Erica Edmonds fears that her son's trip to Europe could have ended much worse, maybe with something like what happened in New York City last summer to Leiby Kletzky, who was kidnapped and murdered on his way home from a summer day camp. But what 13-year-old Julius Hill allegedly went through on the trip at the hands of Vicki Reed, an eighth-grade math teacher at Greiner Middle School, was bad enough.

Julius, as was reported by WFAA and the Morning News, signed up for a nine-day trip to Spain and Italy that Reed was helping lead.

In the weeks leading up to the June 14 departure, Edmonds tells Unfair Park, she and Reed were on friendly terms. They talked on the phone about trip plans, and Edmonds helped send trip-related emails to other parents. She gave no indication that she had any problem with Julius.

"She was smiling all the time," Edmonds said.

That changed, Edmonds said, once her son was on the other side of the Atlantic with Reed. She would scream at him for no reason, force him to sit at a separate table from the other students during meals, and make him wait when he asked to go to the bathroom. On one occasion, she says Julius was caught in the crowd at a parade and that Reed left him behind, which, for a 13-year-old in a foreign country, "could have been a really, really terrible situation."

The alleged mistreatment, which Edmonds said is described by two parent chaperones in reports as part of a DISD investigation into the trip, had no apparent explanation. Julius is a good kid who, even when he realized he was being treated unfairly, dutifully obeyed Reed.

According to a chaperone who spoke to the Morning News, Reed behaved irresponsibly with all the kids. She took the kids, who ranged in age from 11 to 15, to a nude beach in Spain and went shopping while the students attended the parade where Julius was left. On another occasion, Edmonds said Reed offered to take a couple of the students to a dance club and told a couple of the girls she would help introduce them to guys.

But Reed's ire seems to have been reserved for Julius, which Edmonds believes is because he's black. As Julius told WFAA, "She said, 'I need to put a rope around your waist or your neck. Which one would you prefer?'"

The phone Edmonds had set up for Julius' trip didn't work, and an email to Reed at the time wasn't returned, so she had no idea what was happening for nine days. It was only when she arrived at the airport and was shooed away by Reed as the chaperones tried to show her photos of Julius sitting alone at meals that she realized something was up. Julius told her some of the story. The rest she learned through other parents.

"He told me it was just sad, just a sad situation," Edmonds said.

Reed is on administrative leave while DISD investigates what happened on the trip. That report is almost complete, and Edmonds fears that Reed could be allowed back. That's why she's speaking out now.

"Basically I don't think this teacher should be teaching," she said. "Our fear is she'll end up back at Greiner."

It's clear, though, that what happened on the trip can't be blamed on DISD. Reed promoted the trip to her classes and Edmonds says Greiner's principal was aware of it, but families paid their own way, and it was organized through a company called EF Educational Tours, not DISD. It was the company that let Reed participate in the trip and supplied a tour guide. It has not returned a call seeking comment. Reed, too, could not be reached.

Edmonds says Julius "went inside of himself" for a while but is doing fine. He's suffered through the embarrassment of having his story in the media, and he still likes his school and his friends there. Still, it's enough to make Edmonds wonder whether she should keep him in DISD.

Update at 2:44 p.m.: EF Educational tours just sent over a statement saying student discipline is the teacher's responsibility. It reads, in full:

We strive for every student to have educational, exciting and fun experiences on our tours. The safety and well-being of our travelers is always our top priority.

Our educational tours are led by a school teacher, who serves as the group leader and is responsible for the supervision of his or her student travelers. It is the teacher's responsibility -- not the tour director's -- to monitor and determine if a student's behavior warrants intervention or possible discipline. The tour director that is provided by EF is responsible for logistics, educational expertise and additional support for the group leader.

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morrainepeak
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How does this merit news coverage on WFAA?  Why didn't the mom get her 13 year old kid a phone that "worked"? ... Not that important to keep in touch with the little angel, I guess...

amokvrs
amokvrs

 @morrainepeak well, maybe not everyone knows which phone works and which doesn't in the EU... plus each country has different coverage.  I know, I moved here and it's usually always a problem.

europevacation
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As a chaperone on  several trips like this, I have a few of observations: 

1. 13 is WAAAAAY too young to send a kid to Europe. He won't get it, and you'll be wasting your money. Give him 4 more years. 

2. Even the best chaperones/leaders will lose track of kids for moments, or have kids do bad things behind their backs. The tour companies bear no responsibility for any of that. If more teachers knew how much deep $hit they could get into from otherwise simple incidents, EF and similar companies would see their business dry up. 

3. Why is this making such big news locally? Sounds like one of those moms who blows things out of proportion. 

4. Why didn't the chaperones do anything? There have been situations on my trips when a kid sits alone at a table just by sheer luck of the draw. Usually I or another chaperone, or more, would go sit with him. The tour leader isn't all-powerful. Fellow chaperones can complain to the tour's guide. 

5. What's a 'nude' beach to a 13 year old could just be an ordinary beach to an adult. Topless bathing is nothing new in Europe, and no big deal. There probably wasn't a proper introduction given, and the kid was probably blown away by the concept. 

6. One news story said that he and another boy had to share rooms with boys from Oklahoma that they didn't know. That's STANDARD procedure on trips like this, when you have a 3 or 4 bed room, and not enough boys or girls to fill it. Other groups from other states travel with you, and kidsroom with them. 

7. The rope comment isn't necessarily racist. Quit being so sensitive. Maybe he had a habit of wandering off. Maybe that's how he got lost at the parade...from which he seemed to have no huge problem being found. I don't see them doing a missing person's report from all of that. We've lost people before on trips. You set up a meeting point. You go back and get them. No big deal. But what were the other chaperones doing? Are they just covering their asses? 

8. Kid made it back ok. Maybe the lady was a bitch. Maybe the kid was a punk. Maybe we should just move on. Get over yourself, mom. 

9. It's 2012. We have a black president. It's time to put the victim mentality to rest. Because of this, some blacks are just as racist as the whites they point to being so.  

amokvrs
amokvrs

 @europevacation 1. At 13 your child should DEFINITELY be aware of other cultures, should travel if you can afford it and should be interested in the world.  I have a 7year old daughter, we travel extensively, she's fascinated with the world BECAUSE that's what she's been exposed to since day one.2.  Which still doesn't excuse leaving them behind.  It's their job to take care of them, if they can't handle it, they should change their profession.  I'm a teacher and if I couldn't handle my classes [range from 7 to 18] I'd quit.3.  It's better that it made the news and serve as a warning.  If my child was treated that way I'd react the same way.  Each child is different and requires a different approach, that's part of any and all teacher's job descriptions.5. So here's your logic - not OK to go to the EU, but fine to take your kid to a nude beach?  Have you been to one?  It's not Baywatch, and I'll leave it at that.7. The rope comment wasn't racist?  When you're a teacher, you're supposed to be in tune with various cultural differences that may or may not be present in your group.  Given that this is a group of American kids, she didn't have to do any in depth research to come to a conclusion that this was not the right thing to say.  Would you make gas jokes about a flatulent Jewish child?12. Yes, sure, obviously you live in a nice suburb community where the Police doesn't shoot at your people for being black, community groups are not targeted as being potentially dangerous and your police force doesn't get dissolved and replaced with rent a cops {i.e. Camden NJ}.I think what you should do, is look around and see what's really happening in your country, in communities in every major metropolis in the states, get down from your Ivory tower for a moment and come to grips with the harsh reality which millions of minorities in the US call their every day life.

MyKidWasThere
MyKidWasThere

 @europevacation 

1. I disagree, travel, particularly world travel is invaluable learning that no school or program can give a young man or woman. What age group did you chaperone?  What kind of kids?  If I felt that my child wouldn't have I would not have sent them.  And since I know my child far better than you, I'll trust my judgement over yours.

 

2. If a student wonders off for a moment that's one thing, but this teacher would leave kids behind in full knowledge of what she was doing.  She did it to my child as well as others on several different occasions.

 

3. She only went to the media because she felt that the DISD wasn't taking clear action after she complained to them with the full cooperation of the chaperones and other parents involved.

 

4. The other chaperones were bullied and threatened as well.  They did their best to be a buffer between this teacher and the students.  They did do there best to start recording as much of this as they could.

 

5. This is the only point where I agree with you.  It wasn't a nude beach.  I wonder how much of that is media sensationalism or that the students weren't informed of the cultural difference between American and European beachwear.

 

6.  The complaint was based on the fact that they were not informed about this arrangement prior to the trip.

 

7.  The rope comment is racist because a teacher at a school with a 97% minority population should be aware of how to exhibit racial sensitivity.  Would it be okay for a teacher at a special needs school to tell her students not to me retarded or lame?

 

8.  This comment isn't even valid enough to address.

 

9.  This was clearly a case of a white authority figure meting out a clear disdain for a student under their care based solely on there race.  My kid was there, they told me all about this the second I met them at the airport.   You were not there, so why are you defending someone who has been accused by multiple parties of displaying a racist attitude?

 

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @MyKidWasThere  @europevacation Your fourth counterpoint is both alarming in itself, and puts the lie to your first counterpoint.  If the other chaperones were "being bullied" as well, they had no business chaperoning the group.  They were adults, parents, right?  How could this teacher "bully" them?  If they didn't have the courage and sense of moral obligation to step in and do the right thing, they should have stayed home.

This point also clarifies the point that 13 is too young to be sending off to Europe on a trip such as this.  A 13yr old may well recognize that something is not right with a situation, but not possess the life experience to deal with or resolve it.  In fact, frustration with not being able to comprehend or find a solution to a problem can lead to anger, which can only cloud judgement.  This is a parent's primary duty, to guide their children through difficult situations, helping the child to gain the skills and knowledge to cope with things on their own, while providing a safety net of parental love and support in case the kid falls.  It is not the job of the schools system, nor of a tour group, and they're not going to do it.  The fact that the other chaperones recognized what was going on as being wrong, and yet were intimidated into doing nothing only serves to reinforce this principle.  They are every bit as culpable as the teacher by their own inaction.

kduble
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Even so, your 4th point seems valid. If the chaperones would simply sit there and allow such a thing to happen, why are they complaining now?

kduble
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While at work tomorrow, why not make a rope comment to one of your black coworkers and see how long you keep your job?

europevacation
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 @kduble An unsolicited comment at a black man about putting a rope around his neck would be racist. One directed at a kid who has a habit of wandering off...not so much. I'm just playing devil's advocate, mostly. I completely understand why a black person would be offended by that comment, but context IS important. 

ceepee
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Had a similar situation with a "good kid" who got great grades and was a chess master. When his mother wasn't around, he was a little monster. He instigated all the other kids, he fought, he talked back and he didn't do anything that was told of him. So I kicked him out of my program and then, all of the sudden, I'm a racist. The mother complained that I made him do push-ups in the gym after class when he was bad. Well, I made ALL the kids do the push-ups, but to her, I had singled her darling angel out. I am weary of claims like this.

RTGolden
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It's certainly shameful for a teacher to treat any child this way, under any circumstances.

 

I do have to question the intelligence of a parent who ships their child off to Europe without going along with them.  I can understand if the children are late teens, but 15 and under?  Even chaperoned, there is just too much that can go wrong, too much that might be seen or experienced that a young teenager is ill-equipped to absorb and make sense of.  Maybe it's just me, but these parents need to examine their own motivations.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
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Wow!  I don't know if any of this is true, but if it is it's too despicable for words.

GuitarPlayer
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 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz  What in the hell would make you think it wasn't true? Plenty of witnesses. 

everlastingphelps
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 @GuitarPlayer  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Because 99% of racism accusations are baseless.  

 

I don't doubt that the kid was mistreated, but it sounds like she mistreated all the kids, and he's trying to chalk it all up to him being black.

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @MyKidWasThere  @GuitarPlayer No.  According to your own subsequent posts, the ones who make situations like this possible are the other adults who were present and did nothing to stop it.  They were CHAPERONES, their only purpose for being present was to protect and care for the children in their group.

Daniel
Daniel

@everlastingphelps@Storm_71

Conservative: Black people voting for Obama because he's black is morally the same thing as 300 years of slavery, only this time white people are the victims. I guess liberals aren't so "tolerant" after all, eh?

 

Liberal: WTF???

 

Conservative: Oh, I get it, it's only free speech if it's trying to destroy Christianity and enslave white people to a socialist dictator! You just proved you hate fishin'! And real Americans hate <i>you</i>!

 

<i><b>CURTAIN.</i></b>

 

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

@Daniel @Storm_71 Liberal:everyone in the world is against me! Everything is someone else's fault! Conservative: I don't think that is true. Liberal: my GOD! Do you EVER stop WHINING about everything?

Daniel
Daniel

 @everlastingphelps  @Storm_71 If you've actually been called racist "at least a million times," as you claimed in an earlier post, then I have to admit that our society is misguided and unfair. Yep. That's the only explanation. No, really! Damn reverse racism. Such a cancer upon our society. It's tearing us asunder!

 

Hey, listen, I've got a fun game we all can play. Let's pretend that black people are never charged with hate crimes, so that we can stew in our risible sense of victimization.

 

[ONE SIDE OF MOUTH]: As a conservative, I'm sick of hearing people whine. So life's not fair sometimes. Man up, boy!

 

[OTHER SIDE OF MOUTH]: As a white Christian male, my self-pity knows no limits. How come there's no white male Christians in Congress? And don't even <i>try</i> to tell me there are:

 

["SUPPORTING" LINKS FROM THE DRUDGE REPORT, REAL CLEAR POLITICS AND VARIOUS BREITBART SITES]  

arthurposter
arthurposter

 @everlastingphelps  @Storm_71 

Odd... I've been white all my life but I don't recall being called a racist or having been dealt a card by anyone darker than me.  OK, I was called a fucking haole on Hawaii once, but I swear that kid was whiter than me. 

primi_timpano
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@everlastingphelps @Edward @GuitarPlayer @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz I think these accusations against probably fit the 1% of accurate claims of racism.

primi_timpano
primi_timpano topcommenter

@everlastingphelps @GuitarPlayer @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Who compiled those complaint statistics? Even if they are accurate that leaves 1% genuine. Considering the testimony of the other parents this does not look like a kid acting out.

everlastingphelps
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@Storm_71 Add one more. If you want incidents of REAL racism to be taken seriously, then don't cry racist a million times AT the very people you will next be trying to convince.

 

If you want to know why no one cares about the race card any more, its because every white person has had it played on them, no matter how un or even anti-racist they are.

Storm_71
Storm_71

If the shoe fits...............

MyKidWasThere
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 @GuitarPlayer  don't waste your time with these types of cretin trolls, they're the ones who make situations like this possible.

MyKidWasThere
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 @liberalsareracist  I am going to bet you are the one who is barely literate and you have already displayed your inability to reason.  I feel sorry for you @everlastingphelps  sorry about the anonymity but I am protecting my child from potential retribution from said teacher.

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