Sic 'em, Mitt. Make All Those Elderly Deadbeats Pay Their Fair Share.

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Granny has a message for you, America.
Poor Mitt Romney finally says exactly what he's thinking and the guy gets hammered for it. You wanted specificity and numbers from the man? Well, as you no doubt heard, Mother Jones reported this week that he's plenty specific when talking to gatherings of his big-money contributors:

"All right, there are 47 percent who are with him [Obama], who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... My job is not to worry about those people," Romney told a private gathering of donors in May.

There he is, simply calling half this nation what it is -- deadbeats -- and he gets his ass handed to him, politically speaking.

I say, damn the torpedoes, Mitt! Get even more specific and say exactly who these deadbeat parasites are. We all know them. In fact, the non-partisan Tax Policy Center tells us precisely who isn't paying federal incomes. Old people, mostly. Some impoverished working parents, too, but mostly old, greedy mooches.

"Three-fourths of those households pay no income tax because of provisions that benefit senior citizens and low-income working families with children," the TPC reports.
In fact, the TPC reports that 44 percent of "tax units made nontaxable" -- that's techno speak for "parasites," apparently -- get away with it because of tax benefits for the elderly.

You probably know one of these leeches yourself. Buzz certainly did. I recall my own departed mother, whiling away her days in a bed in her nursing home, doing not a lick of work, living off savings and paying not a penny in income taxes. And don't get me started on our late mother-in-law, a non-income-tax-filer who spent her last weeks at Uncle Sammy's tit, lying in a hospital bed paid for by tax-paying souls like Mitt. At least, we know he paid some taxes in the past two years.

Surely there was some contribution the old broads could have made to the commonwealth. Why are we sending all these call-center jobs off to India when America has scads of old people just lying around, doing nothing but slowly dying? Let's get 'em Jitterbugs and put 'em to work. Got a question about IP settings on your new laptop? Don't call Mumbai. Call the Sunnyland Elder Care Facility, where aged American operators are standing by to give you the same level of service currently found overseas.

This is the sort of hard-nosed thinking this country needs to get the octogenarian set kicking in, Mitt. So don't back down. Double down and get after those old mooches.


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deep-sigh
deep-sigh

The Daily Show nailed it and I love the part where Mitt's mom states in some interview in black and white film, that Mitt's dad was a "refugee" from Mexico and he was on welfare when he returned to the states. So gee, even though Dad was one of "those" people, apparently he was the last one to lift himself up...... *sigh*

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

in 2011, payments to individuals were 65 percent of federal spending, up from 26 percent in 1960.  “Actually, the share of people who receive federal benefits exceeds Romney's 47 percent. Based on its Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP), the Census Bureau estimates that in mid-2011 -- the latest available figures -- the number of people with benefits came to 149.8 million, or 49 percent of the population. But this figure is too low, because SIPP doesn't include several major programs (farm subsidies and college loans and grants). With these, the total probably exceeds 50 percent.” America's Growing Welfare State Is a Problem By Robert Samuelson - September 20, 2012.

 

MisterMean
MisterMean

Poor Willard-he can't help himself he was born with a silver foot in his mouth.   (From the late great Ann Richards).

GuitarPlayer
GuitarPlayer

To the Democrats Mitt is the gift that just keeps on giving. 

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

Seniors seem to support Romney from polls I've seen, maybe they aren't as worried about being thrown off a cliff as they are about their offspring's future being thrown into a deep hole while Obama parties coast-to coast.

jeneheffer
jeneheffer

No matter what age the 47% are, if they are getting free stuff from the government they will continue to vote for the one that gave it to them. With a very liberal brush you paint a picture of Romney that is totally inaccurate, you are ignoring the fact that he is a successful businessman, not just to politician, who has a good idea how to get America back on track.

I'm curious, between Chris Matthews and David Letterman, where do you fit in the adoration of Obama, 

Edward
Edward

I guess what shocks me is that no one in the Romney campaign bothered to do any research into the "47% of people pay no income taxes" spiel that Bachman and the Tea Partiers have been parroting for the past couple of years? It took about 10 seconds for everyone to see that the majority of those people are seniors, then middle class families (a family of 5 making $50K a year), military, etc. 

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

Wonder when we'll see the secret video of Obama at Jay-Z’s 40/40 nightclub

"Details of the party are “under lock and key,” according to the rep, and the White House was guarding the guest list as if it were the latest intelligence profile of Iran’s nuclear program.

Instead, only a White House pool reporter, allowed brief admittance, will file a report tonight during Obama’s ninth fund-raising trip to the Big Apple this year.  All the campaign would say yesterday was that the president would speak to about 100 people at the $40,000-per-person event, after addressing 200 donors at a $12,500-per-family reception at the Waldorf.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/beyonce_jay_host_ny_bam_ba_5wud17kNBMEiV8wim9YYJK#ixzz26xCYWo7v

 

Russp
Russp

So 5% of taxpayers pay 60% of the taxes collected, 45% (the middle class) pay the remaining 40% and then 50% pay nothing yet some politicians feel increasing the tax on that top 5% will bring the system closer to "everyone" paying their fare share? A flat tax with very few deductions or exemptions would be the only system that could accomplish this. 

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

He was just playing to his audience, keep in mind where the speech occurred.   It's called politics

InKindDonation
InKindDonation

How much payola money does the DNC pay the Observer's "journalists" for their constant shilling?

WashHater
WashHater

You know what my favorite part of this whole Romney kerfluffle is? The guy says "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president....These are people who pay no income tax.", along with all that victim and dependency jazz.Yet, in the presidential primaries this year, Romney said in a debate that he paid no income tax the last two years, as all of his income is from investments on which he only pays capital gains taxes. He's part of the 47% he decries!So, by his own definition, he is a victim and is dependent on the government. The guy is just a liar and/or a moron.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

“You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.” George W. Bush, joking at a Gridiron Club dinner, Washington, D.C., March 2001.

 

"One major reason for the growth of the federal government in recent years has been that entitlement spending per beneficiary has increased, and so has the number of beneficiaries as people have retired. Yet senior citizens -- who benefit from federal programs, on average, far more than younger people -- have become more Republican over that same period. They actually voted for John McCain over Obama in 2008 by a slightly higher margin than they did for George W. Bush over John Kerry in 2004. In 2010, their Republican margin increased even more, to a whopping 21 points. Pollster Scott Rasmussen told me that in his latest poll, Romney still leads among seniors by 19 points."

 

"It’s true that Americans with low incomes -- more and more of whom now receive food stamps and federally subsidized health insurance -- have generally voted for Democrats over Republicans. But in 2010, these voters shifted toward Republicans even as food stamps, unemployment benefits and the like continued to increase."Bloomberg - Ramesh Ponnuru - Sep 17, 2012 5:30 PM CT

towski
towski

 @jeneheffer  It's your contention that Obama is the one who gave people free stuff from the government? That the social safety net is purely an invention of the last 4 years?

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

 @jeneheffer Oh wise one. what exactly is Romney's "good idea how to get America back on track"? He has yet to provide details.

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

 @Russp How bout this? I drink 22 beers, you drink 2, and we split the cost of the case. That's a nice, flat, 50/50 deal.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @Russp No, Payroll taxes have been subsidizing income taxes for years.  That formula doesn't work.  Why introduce new taxes?  Higher capital gains and higher top marginal rates will do more to stimulate capital intensive production than any thing else we have available.  After all, investment, hiring, and capital expansion are all deductible, and more desirable under higher tax rates.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

 @Sotiredofitall Politics isn't about knowing that everything you say can and will be dissected every which way? And then perceived differently to different audiences?

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@Sotiredofitall - people bitterly clinging to their money.

Observernator
Observernator

 Exactly, he was discussing politics. He was specifically discussing campaign strategy. He was saying, I cannot sway that sector so I will concentrate resources more effectively on the fence sitters.  Letterman, MSNBC, V.V.M., all obfuscate this obvious context into 'Mitt is a tyrant'. It takes an idiot to not see through this.

Fence sitters will decide this election.  The smart ones will concentrate on the real issues. The stupid ones might latch on to this muddle. 

 

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @WashHater

 

no, Romney said he never paid less than a 15% rate on his income. Romney says he has paid income taxes every year, although there was an allegation made (but never supported) that Romney had some years in which he had no tax liability thru the use of off shore accounts, otherwise known as "tax havens".

James080
James080

 @WashHater That's odd. My capital gains, and the taxes I pay on those gains, are reported on my federal 1040 income tax return.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @holmantx It's all a subsidy for niggardly employers.  Raise the top marginal rates and incomes will rise, investment will increase, manufacturing will repatriate.  Encourage holding capital rather than liquidating capital with higher cap gains, and the benefits will grow further.  All the low income safety net is for cheap ass employers, you ignore that you have to have a job to get benefits. 

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@Montemalone - You'll know what 's in his plan once his bills are passed, which has proved to be a very popular approach to policy.

Russp
Russp

Obviously not very good at math, are you? If you make 11 times what I make and we pay the same percentage, you pay 11 times as much as me just like you'd pay 11 times as much for the beer you drank. The government even admits that with the current system that pays out too much to people who put in too little, most of those retiring after 2010 will not even get back what they put in to social security. Nothing like being forced to contribute to a savings plan that guarentees a loss. 

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @scottindallas  @Russp

 stop taxing income, tax consumption.

 

capital investing will boom like never seen before.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@WashHater @InKindDonation - - Media Matters, the independent group that keeps a close eye on FOX so you don't have to, Works for the DoJ for free

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @mavdog  @WashHater You're mistaken, he said 13%, not 15%.  He paid less than 15% the two years we have on record.

WashHater
WashHater

 @James080 But you don't pay the same rate on your capital gains as you do your income, correct? If you do, you need to find a new accountant. 

Russp
Russp

Social Security Wage Base is the maximum amount of income the government  takes social security taxes from. Still doesn't fix the fact I'll never see all the money they've stolen from me. And I agree, another 2000 page bill will only be the usual government screw up which just supports the arguments for either a flat tax (clean, simple and would only need a post card for a tax return) or a consumption tax system instead.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

 @Russp Ever heard of the Social Security Wage Base, it's not really as simple as you make it sound.   If our elected overlords would simply eliminate the Wage Base limit we'd be a step closer to solving the Social Security funding issues and it wouldn't take a 2,000 page bill to do it.

Bremarks
Bremarks

@mavdog @scottindallas @Russp Yes, you will create the largest blackmarket economy in the history of the world.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 

I'm not sure that there will be a correlation, with more $ in consumer's pockets it is reasonable to assume they will spend it.

 

My support for a consumption based tax is on 2 fronts: one, it makes more sense to reward/incentivize people for generating income and being productive, which an income tax does not accomplish. Second, a consumption tax can be structured to be a very progressive tax, those with the greatest income are those who consume the most, and those who are outside the legal economy and who do not use the financial system to evade income taxes will pay their taxes if it is based on consumption.

 

Russp
Russp

If consumers were a little smarter, they would quickly realize that paying say 18% on what they spend instead of that same 18% on what they earn would leave more money in there pocket (unless they're foolish enough to spend more than they earn) allowing them to purchase more or save, both being good for the economy. 

Montemalone
Montemalone topcommenter

 @mavdog  @scottindallas  @Russp No,. There's more idle capital now than at any time in history. A consumption tax will curb consumption among the vast majority of the population. You know, consumers.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@Sotiredofitall @WashHater @InKindDonation - The answer is A Buck Two-Eighty.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @mavdog  @WashHater "just at a less effective rate than most of us, even tho his income was many times more than most (all?) of us."   Surprisingly, I never heard that specific point expressly made.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @scottindallas  @WashHater

 nitpicker...

 

actually, he said 15% before he said 13%.

 

either way, he says he paid income taxes every year.

 

just at a less effective rate than most of us, even tho his income was many times more than most (all?) of us.

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