Rambo Romney Should Call for Restarting the Draft

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Make us believe you mean it, Mitt. Bring back the draft.

For the better part of a week, I have been reading all these thinly veiled suggestions by Mitt Romney that President Obama isn't enough of an ass-kicker in the Middle East. His aides have been telling reporters that a President Romney right now would be threatening to cut off aid to Egypt, shaking a bigger fist at Iran and plunging into Syria with proffers of weapons and training for the opposition.

He says America is "at the mercy of events instead of shaping events" in the Middle East. In other words, we need to be telling those people over there to get in line or we'll put them in line.

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He was a free man in Paris ...
I think most of us would agree on the direction that kind of language takes us inevitably. More war, more Iraq, more Afghanistan. Then we'd probably start disagreeing, you and I, on whether that's a good idea.

Me, I look at the film in the last week, and I figure that's just what those guys want. You have hundreds of thousands of young men without jobs, filled with rage that ought to be directed at their own screwed-up societies but eager to spend it on us instead, because that's easier for them. They're spoiling for a fight. Thirsty for blood. Especially ours.

And I know that doesn't automatically mean we can walk from the fight. It's case by case. But as long as Romney and his running mate, Paul Ryan, are going to play the Rambo card as a central theme in their campaign, how about a simple good faith gesture to show they mean it? Re-institute the draft.

No deferments. No deferment for going to Harvard. No deferment for being a minister of religion in Paris. Everybody goes. More to the point, everybody's son and daughter goes. No more of this stuff where war is an employment program for poor and working class kids, and we just keep reassigning them over and over again until they get wounded, killed or kill themselves.

If macho is the path we need to take as a nation, let's all be macho. Let's see lots and lots of those 1-percenter kids marching onto the transport planes in desert camo with big packs on their backs.

Oh, don't bother getting after me about my own draft-dodger status during Vietnam. Absolutely true. I was, just like George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney. We all ducked it. It was a mistake. The country shouldn't have allowed the middle and upper classes to buy their way out of war. That's what bred this contemptible culture of easy macho that we suffer from today.

It's always some 1-percenter like Romney shaking his fist talking about how the time for talk is over and now he's going to kick somebody's ass. But he's not going to kick anybody's ass. Nor will any of his sons kick anybody's ass. No, after he says, "Let the ass-kicking begin," an army of kids fresh out of high school and junior college will be sent over there to do it for them.

By calling the draft a jobs program, I do not mean to denigrate the patriotism and devotion to duty of the young men and women who choose military service. I'm just pointing out that there seems to be a lot more patriotism among non-rich kids than rich ones.

No? Unfair? I'm trying to foment class warfare? OK, I see your point. I understand why you might take it that way. So let's clear the air. Let's dispense with that possibility right now. Let's look for the following headline in the days ahead:

ROMNEY/RYAN CALL FOR UNIVERSAL MILITARY DRAFT. Urgent times, urgent action, GOP hopefuls say. Also a call for patriotic volunteers.

Ann Arbor -- On the steps of the University of Michigan Student Union where JFK proposed the Peace Corps 52 years ago, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney called on Congress to institute a universal military draft with no deferments, urging young Americans to volunteer before they are drafted.

"'Ask not to be deferred," Romney said with running mate Paul Ryan at his shoulder. "Ask to serve.'"

Then at least I will believe the tough talk. Short of that, I will continue to take them for a couple of privileged French-cuff ninnies shouting from the window of their limo, "You should all go to war for us, you marvelous, strong, simple people, you."

Not saying we don't have to go to war some times. Just saying let's go open up that limo door, grab them by the collar and bring those healthy-looking orthodontic wonders along with us for a change.


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brad.mason.dallas
brad.mason.dallas

The only problem if Romney reinstated the draft, he would outsource it and we would have non-citizens in our military.

RTGolden1
RTGolden1 topcommenter

Anytime things like this happen, when some fanatical group or another carries out some form of attack on our country, the idiots IN our country hand the victory to the fanatics on a silver platter.  We pour millions of dollars (for which there are way better uses) into finding some way to blame the president, his administration, Congress, the intelligence community, the justice dpt.  It's fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain where the blame should be squarely placed.

It happened after 9-11 and it's happening now.  President Bush and US foreign policy wasn't responsible for 9-11 and President Obama and US foreign policy are not responsible for the current events.  What is responsible for these tragedies is a cadre of religious leaders who choose to distort their religion and its teachings and a culture with a relatively low literacy rate, providing an ample supply of willing, if not overly bright, martyrs for the cause.

It is true that the US is running a fool's errand trying to bring western democracy to predominantly Muslim lands.  Their religion is not a one day a week thing like most of us with our Christianity.  Any democracy instituted in a Muslim country is going to have to accomodate and elevate Islam if it hopes to have any chance of success. That being said, there is nothing in Islam that exhorts it's followers to murder innocents.  Quite the contrary, the Koran states that to save an innocent life is to save the world.  Educated and considered Muslims the world over do not condone the terrorism of fanatics.  They know that the west can coexist with them and they with the west.

If we're going to continue to find a way to blame our own leaders for acts of terror carried out by others, the terrorists are going to succeed.  As they have succeeded here:

 

Goal: Disrupt American society and turn them ever more against each other.   CHECK.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

SNAFU or FUBAR - you pick which fits the presidential election best since the two choices are near irrelevant. 

PerryMoore
PerryMoore

Of course you don't mean it, but if you weren't being factious, I'd jump right in there with you, Mr. Schutze. Since it is obvious that many of us old guys have more recently developed a better sense of the injustice of the former draft, they should just throw the new, a-gogo draft open to all of us that missed a war. I owe more to our soldiers than I can ever hope to repay, so draft my ancient ass. You and I have pretty much served our time in the private sector and are due for pasture soon. Let them put me in there beside you, Mr. Schutze, and I promise that our political differences won't be any problem for either of us. Bring your shotgun.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

Showcasing once again the democrat's military chops, it turns out that in addition to using Soviet warships as a stage backdrop at their convention, they used footage of the Turkish air force as well. Groan

CraigT42
CraigT42

Why does it have to lead to war.  Why not simply walk away.  remove our bases, remove our industries and remove several billion dollars of aid a year.  Refuse Visa's, and end exports to that region.  Wait 2-5 years and then start up fresh relations with the 5% of the population that survived.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

"These guys will never get over the fact that Obama got Osama, Bush didn't, because Obama understands the concept conveyed in the term, "intelligence.";-- Bush killed and captured thousands upon thousands of Mohammed's warriors and toppled two regimes leading to fledgling democracies, and for that the left despised him. Now, a impotent old man no longer in the fight gets taken out on Obama's watch and the guy is Patton, Chesty Puller and MacArthur all rolled into one - all without ever learning how to pronounce "Corps".

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

C'mon Jim - Actual brownshirts actually knock on the door at midnight to detain an American citizen for exercising his 1st amendment rights, and a lefty newsman would rather talk about the heroism if a man who killed a Vietnamese kid and bragged about it?

RTGolden
RTGolden

As long as you're going to drag Kennedy and the Peace Corps into this, you might want to mention that the Messiah of the Left instituted the Peach Corps in the midst of his ramped up involvement in a 'police action' in SE Asia that ended up drafting over 2 million US men.  You know, just for fair and accurate reporting. (We still believe in that, right?)

 

As for the meat of the story: There's no need for  a draft.  All a draft does is put more bodies in front of bullets.  It does nothing to increase the effectiveness or professionalism of the military.  I realize this is nothing more than snark aimed at pointing out the fact that the rich seem to do a gross percentage of the posturing that leads to war and an astoundingly low percentage of the dying in those wars.  To that I say, "So?".  It has always been thus, and it is thus everywhere in the world, not just in the US and not just now.  Even the socialist movements of the early 20th century did nothing to change this.  They merely exchanged a wealthy elite for an academic elite, the poor still got fucked.

 

Keep in mind Jim, I served for the entirety of the Clinton administration.  We got sent everywhere, all the time, for whatever reason anyone could think of.  Democrats do not occupy the moral high ground when it comes to sending the US military into combat.

 

To albert: Kerry served his time, in-country and in combat.  He earned the right to protest and to figuratively spit on his medals once he returned.  Unless you have also served, you really lack any credibility when you disparage his actions.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

These guys will never get over the fact that Obama got Osama, Bush didn't, because Obama understands the concept conveyed in the term, "intelligence."

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @RTGolden1 

 

"Any democracy instituted in a Muslim country is going to have to accomodate and elevate Islam if it hopes to have any chance of success."

 

IOW, a clash of civilizations. Two ideologies so fundamentally opposed as to be incompatible in the long term, courted by third parties looking for advantage.

 

Those third parties are not as threatened by Islamism as the liberal west , they aren't easy targets, they aren't encumbered by the relative transparency and accountability as western democracies.

 

 

"Goal: Disrupt American society and turn them ever more against each other.   CHECK."

 

The Goal for Bush was just that - turn liberal Islam against fascist Islamism. He explained it very well, in every speech he stressed the long-term nature of this struggle, and he was spot-on. 50 years from now, GW Bush will be seen as a man who got it in regards to the Islamic revolution(s).

 

When it hit the fan, and Bush committed, I saw it as Islam's Last Chance to liberalize, because if this liberalization didn't work, they're pretty much fucked, the liberals there will never have this sort of huge commitment ever again. 

 

Now, our huge commitment will be to be more conciliatory, outreach, reset. Unarmed Marines.

 

if one of our citizens wanders afoul of shariah, we'll publish a  picture of the violator being spirited away, and the guys who killed our guys say "this shit works!", and the western left will swear "we're not practicing shariah!!".

 

The west will confront Islamist imperialism when they all agree that it is actually imperialism, and we're very close to that point.

 

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @PerryMoore 

When my kid went to Iraq, I said it was unfair,  that they should send us old guys with so much less to lose. He said nice sentiment, but the idea is to win.

 

Now we're no longer patrolling with the Afghanis, becuase they're as dangerous as... the other Afghanis. It's well past time to go. I never really understood why we stayed and tried to change a culture. Iraq has a chance of becoming a democracy, as safe as Chicago, but Afghanistan?

 

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

 @PerryMoore Isn't there something we could do that comes even before the cannon  fodder?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @craig.thomas42 I don't think you understand how neo-colonialism works.   We're getting their natural resources out of there with a discount.  They'd love fair trade terms, and when a leader bristles against them, we over-throw them. 

observist
observist topcommenter

 @craig.thomas42 Oil.  Without it we'd care about the Middle East about as much as we care about the Congo.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @albert.finney000 Bush created a total mess.  And, since you're obviously deluded by your partisan lenses, Obama has continued and accelerated Bush's program.  Obama, I think is doing it a bit more deftly (and lightly) though it's still a program that creates far more terrorists and problems than it resolves, it's costly, wasteful, and impetuous.  We don't know enough to engineer those societies, and we should stop.  We need to review and consider our actions there, and I think you're far too cavalier in your attitude.  If we'd practice the golden rule, we'd do far better there. 

observist
observist topcommenter

 @albert.finney000  Nice spin.  You could say the same about Libya and Egypt:  "toppled two regimes leading to fledgling democracies", but instead you call it "MASSIVE FOREIGN POLICY FAIL" because what, 4 Americans were killed in Libya?

RTGolden
RTGolden

@albert (sorry, won't let me reply to your comment)  I never said you couldn't disparage anyone.  I merely pointed out that you lack credibility doing so in this case.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 @JimSX Seal Team Six got Obama, and Obama is so into intelligence that he never sits for a briefing to get any more than the Cliff's Notes version.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@JimSX - He knows what the word means, he just doesn't like to attend early meetings discussing it.

CraigT42
CraigT42

@scottindallas Who said anything about trade. I am talking about people acting like rational adults. Not throwing temper tantrums, burning their own cities and killing people over cartoons, and YouTube videos

CraigT42
CraigT42

@everlastingphelps Then I must be wrong somehow. I retract my statement.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@scottindallas - our very existence "creates" Islamist terrorism.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@observist -Now we're told Obsma toppled something, and that I called that which didn't happen something in ALLCAPS. Better go get some coffee, Bubba.

Mervis
Mervis

@albert.finney000 You can disparage but his point was that your disparagement lacks any credibility.

Bremarks
Bremarks

 @everlastingphelps  @JimSX

This new ridiculous mantra you and all the right-wing, sable rattling, crazies have picked up from Dick Cheney about "never sitting for a briefing" is just so lame.  The President reads and studies daily intel briefings. He follows up with the Sec of Def, CIA head, Joint Chiefs etc. He asks questions, considers scenarios.  The reason Bush had in-person briefings is that he hated having to read all that stuff.  And it really helped when he could get someone to show up at the Crawford Ranch and tell it to him when he was digging post holes. 

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

 @albert.finney000  @JimSX Yeah, like the ones where they warned Bush about 9/11 but it didn't fit into his scenario?

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk topcommenter

 @everlastingphelps  @observist  @craig.thomas42 I'm pretty sure these large corprations can afford their own mercenary shock troops....*oops* I mean, security. Hell, they'll be MORE than happy to lose the oversight of the USG, I'm guessing.

 

Yeah that's it. Security.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 @observist  @craig.thomas42 No need to.  Just remove the military protection, remove the embassies, and American companies will avoid the business naturally, especially if you open up domestic production.

CraigT42
CraigT42

@scottindallas I don't think there is military/force solution to the region, however bringing up the Geneva convention is naive. Treaties and agreements only work when both sides follow them, otherwise they just end up enabling one side and hindering the other. People that behead prisoners and murder diplomats should not be protected by civilized agreements

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

"Bush never cleared much more brush, nor dug more holes than photo ops required".

 

That's provably untrue, and if you somehow connect with the veterans that ride bike with him, he doesn't  have a little engine pedaling the bike.

 

A  lot of people in the milltary respect Bush from what they know. A lot of his detractors disrespect him because of what they've made up.

 

Maybe Jim should go on one of his rides with veterans. He's canoed the Trinity, he has guts, how about it Jim?

 

 

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 @Bremarks  @JimSX This is an example of the written PDB:

 

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/80601pdb1.jpg

 

It's thin.  It's a very thin document.  If Obama is just reading that, he's not informed.  It's not a document that stands alone.

 

And before you claim that's the "I don't like to read" GWB version, it's the same all the way back to Johnson:

 

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb042567p1.jpg

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb042567p2.jpg

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@everlastingphelps @Bremarks @JimSX - That's Allright though, considering that Obama is the new Peanut Farmer.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@Bremarks - short version: Bush! Stupid! And he's not even running.

Bremarks
Bremarks

 @everlastingphelps  @JimSX

 "Briefing" was used as short form for "President's Daily Brief" the document to which I assume you are REFERENCING (can't help using the stupid cap lock in response to your silly librarian statement).  The new spin you are using was first used by Dick Cheney.  Remember him?  Draft dodging war mongering evil guy who was Bush's Vice President?  For your book reference, I'll counter you with Kirk Eichenwald's new book "500 Days."

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 @Bremarks  @JimSX The written PDB is not a briefing.  It's an outline.  It has no depth, and is intended simply to give the president a place to start.  One analyst made a good analogy of saying it was the Twitter of intelligence.

 

Bush didn't hate to read.  HE MARRIED A LIBRARIAN.  That's the bullshit spin.

 

Seriously, you people are STILL blaming Bush?  You are pathologically incapable of talking about Obama without trying to relate it back to Bush.  He's been living in your heads for four years, rent free.  It's not healthy.

 

(and for the record, Clinton got his PDBs daily too. I've seen people claim that Obama is following the Clinton system, but the book "Inside CIA" by Sharad Chauhan said that Clinton took daily PDBs in addition to reports.)

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@everlastingphelps @JimSX -we know it's. It his fault, his minions said so.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 @albert.finney000  @JimSX Did anyways, actually.

 

I've pontificated on the fascist police state, but I also accept that it won't be as "secure" once we are, you know, free.  Freedom means taking risks.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

@JimSX - "Al Qaida wants to use airplanes to attack.." and had Bush acted by increasing security at airports to today's level, you would have pontificated on the Bush fascist police state.

everlastingphelps
everlastingphelps topcommenter

 @JimSX  @albert.finney000 Right, let's talk about intel that didn't exist so we can ignore that Obama didn't get the intel that warned him about the embassy attacks because he didn't attend the briefing.

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