Your Government Says It's OK to Spray You With Poison. Anybody See a Problem?

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Great. So tonight the government sprays us with piperonyl butoxide. To reassure us, the TV news last night shows us a guy from the company doing the spraying who tells us just not to worry.

I say worry.

The airplanes tonight will be spraying us with a compound called "Duet" You have heard already that it contains synthetic pyrethroids believed to be harmless to humans. But no one has talked to you about the sleeper agent in Duet, a chemical called piperonyl butoxide which acts as an endocrine disruptor designed to knock down the immune systems of living organisms.

Why worry about that? First off, instead of listening to a guy with his first name on his shirt pocket, we need to hear something from more authoritative sources, lots of whom are out there, virtually none of whom has been consulted by government officials or media concerning the risks of aerial pesticide spraying.

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Ah, the good ol' DDT days, back when people didn't even have all them fancy endocrines 'n' shit.
One I have mentioned before is Dr. Andrea Gore at UT Austin, who recently received a two-year, $841,000 grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the effect of chemicals on human genetic inheritance. Gore has been quoted saying that endocrine disrupting chemicals are a significant health risk to humans: "Any level of exposure -- even infinitesimally small -- poses a risk."

Risk of what? The issues Gore and a colleague, David Crews, are examining have been described as slow poisoning that may be making us fatter, sicker and dumber with increased risk of genetic damage to future generations.

Gore and Crews are not outliers. They are at the center of mainstream research. Gore is senior author of the Endocrine Society's scientific statement on endocrine-disrupting chemicals.

In fact there is an entire body of research local health officials could have consulted. The July edition of Environmental Health Perspectives, a peer-reviewed open access journal published by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences,
reports that, "mounting evidence suggests gestational pesticides exposures are strong candidates" as causes of some forms of autism.

The article says, "On the basis of experimental and observational research, certain pesticides may be capable of inducing core features of autism ..." The authors single out piperonyl butoxide as worthy of study.

Instead of taking any kind of measured responsible approach, this entire spraying exercise in Dallas reeks of public panic and political exploitation. After all, we are right at the beginning of the natural decline in the disease. That fact has a necessary effect on the risk/benefit ratio here.

If West Nile is about to decline rapidly on its own, and if we haven't had time to consider the real risks of spraying, why would we take the chance of bad long-term effects right now? This whole thing is an exercise in weak leadership caving in to a media-induced panic and a lot of political pressure from affluent neighborhoods where people water their lawns too much.

When have you ever seen the mayors of the two Park Cities on television before? Those guys are practically incognito most of the time. This is all about pouring oil on a few squeaky wheels at significant risk to true public health.

The risks have been subtly pooh-poohed as having to do only with a possible threat to honey bees and lady bugs. Well, guess again. Think of Honey Bee and Lady Bug as pet names for your grandchildren.



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168 comments
Frame313
Frame313

Robert Groden, Mike Brownlow, Marshal Evans and another guy were sprayed with poison by two guys in haz-mat suits while they were standing/sitting in their usual locations on the Grassy Knoll a couple years ago. The oldest man, who was in bad health, died shortly after. The haz-mat guys walked east up Elm St., and got into a county vehicle that was parked on Houston St.

Debbie
Debbie

Knock down the immune systems of living organisms, namely how many human beings in Dallas County.  AIDS = immune deficiency?  Might we need our IMMUNE system to fight west nile?  Knocking down the immune system of millions of residents might cause an increase in west nile?  The government ignoring the facts AGAIN!

Americano
Americano

"fatter, sicker and dumber with increased risk of genetic damage to future generations".  If you look around, you'd swear they've been spraying for years.  Idiocracy, here we come.

Curious
Curious

Why are cities south of Dallas getting sprayed, but Oak Cliff and South Dallas are immune?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

A funny point we all missed was that while Mike Rawlings declared a "city emergency" that has no jurisdiction, impact, or official standing for the COUNTY court.  Jenkins dodged responsibility by not granting the injunction by pointing to Rawlings "state of emergency"  Might as well have been the Houston city Mayor.

ozonelarryb
ozonelarryb

But this is the city that works, with a healthy bidness climate, what could go wrong???

TreyGarrison
TreyGarrison

@PatrickMichels @JoEngland "slow poisoning that may be making us fatter, sicker and dumber" So business as usual for Dallas urbanites?

Texans Fighting Back
Texans Fighting Back

So many people upset about what the city is deciding to inflict upon them... and as usual the city/ government isn't listening. How far do they need to push us all before we stand up and say enough is enough. It is scary that the majority of people are saying, "We would rather risk West Nile" and yet...

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

It's annoying to have click on those "new comments" buttons nine thousand times when I come onto this talk board.

breatheasy
breatheasy

I found this buried toward the end of an article this morning from dfw.cbslocal.com:

“Some parts of Dallas County are considered exclusion zones and do not get sprayed, including former President George W. Bush’s home in the Preston Hollow neighborhood.”

We, the other people who are opposed to it, didn’t have that same right of refusal. I’d like to know what/who the other “exclusion zones” are. Judge Clay Jenkins, who forced this on us? Mayor Rawlings?

 

Went outside this morning. So far, no bees in my garden. Yesterday they were swarming my canteloupes. Can't let my dogs out yet as the grass is still wet and fear they'll get contaminated & lick it off their paws. Wondering if I should hose down my 'formerly' organic crops which would be a major undertaking.

Lowestgreenviller
Lowestgreenviller

Took the dogs & cats out this morning & was promptly attacked by mosquitoes. Dragonflies were gone. Guess it's back to deet.

BradWilliamson
BradWilliamson

Just saw Jenkins on CBS This Morning. When asked how he came to the decision to spray, his answer included: "I prayed on it."

 

We're in good hands, y'all.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

I don't know.  I woke up this morning and discovered that I did not grow another limb overnight.  Such a tsimmes over nothing!

pgroveson
pgroveson

Thank you Judge Clay Jenkins for ordering indiscriminate carpet bombing of our neighborhoods with harmful chemicals, and shame on our City Council Members and County Commissioners for not speaking up!

Shannon Adolph
Shannon Adolph

I got the hell outta Dodge. Staying in Arlington trying to decide when it will be safe to come home.

docvicki
docvicki

@MarinaSbrochi @dallas_observer @StopMonsantoMov YES! I do. What can I do to help get the word out?

msanjayan
msanjayan

@MarinaSbrochi with climate change their is going to be more reliance on spraying to combat disease. Efficacy is unclear though

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

with rain in the forecast, that often should halt spraying.  I've heard no suggestion that anyone is watching the weather, and will delay spraying if rain is likely.  This whole thing is political, evidently lead by a group of panicked doctors, who really have zero training in spraying, integrated pest management, or entomology. 

NashTxtGuru
NashTxtGuru

@MarinaSbrochi @dallas_observer The 80's hair band? Or actual poison?? (Just curious.... LOL!) ;o)

Gregory Naber
Gregory Naber

Nothing new, agent orange survivor from Viet Nam, sitting on a tank, 17 years old, taking toxins in!!

Lou Vance
Lou Vance

I can't go on my late-night bike ride. :(

planecrazy
planecrazy

Tied to autism???  Shit.  They must have been spraying east Texas and Dallas city council for decades.  Bottom line this country as a whole is fucked.  Best case is to find a decent small South American or South Asian country to call home to ride out the rest of what older people will call the good life.  And I'm glad I have no children.  Who wants to raise a child in this ever shrinking "global" world hell bent on eliminating privacy rights, putting the middle class (everyone) into proverty, spraying the smarts out of us and overall fucking us in the ass.  It's a shame I won't be around in 50 years to see the power elite, once they have finally accomplished their goals, beat their chests on the top of mount Fuck You All and say the nutbags were right and there's nothing you can do about it now.

mewkins
mewkins

Rawlings's house is not under the flight plan. I guess that'll be tomorrow's run. This is brilliant, spray at the natural decline of the threat of West Nile and your mission is a guaranteed success.

Cynthia Lewis
Cynthia Lewis

wikipedia: "A 2011 study found a significant association between piperonyl butoxide in personal air collected during the third trimester of pregnancy and delayed mental development at 36 months. Children who were more highly exposed in personal air samples (≥4.34 ng/m3) scored 3.9 points lower on the Mental Developmental Index than those with lower exposures. The lead researcher stated, "This drop in IQ points is similar to that observed in lead exposure. While perhaps not impacting an individual's overall function, it is educationally meaningful and could shift the distribution of children in the society who would be in need of early intervention services."

matthavener
matthavener

@DataGoon why not? What scientific peer reviewed data makes you think that bro??

Heather Rinaldi
Heather Rinaldi

That's what I tried to tell the mayor and council yesterday. I had 15 years of 2 times a year aerial pesticide spraying as a child (3 to 18 years of age). I have a thyroid disorder and a child who would be classified on "the spectrum". The reason they say it's safe is because you cannot connect the dots after that period of time. Sorry, there is no genetic history for the issues I/my child has...we need to start connecting dots. Autism, Aspergers, Developmental delays, etc...now there is an epidemic--where is the emergency declaration and where are the planes and $500,000 dollars to combat that?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

speedo and a cot.  Probably do wonders for toe fungus.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

It's easier for the city to spend $500,000 to spray than force the good citizens to Dallas to clean-up and stop over-watering  

kduble
kduble

I don't recall anyone saying the risk was zero. Officials are weighing the hypothetical risk from spraying with the certainty of death and debilitation associated with the disease.

pgroveson
pgroveson

Jenkins greasy fingerprints are all over this! @scottindallas

jddavis
jddavis

 @breatheasy George W. Bush has restricted airspace over his home.  But, guess what...Mayor Mike Rawlings live about a mile away from George Bush.  Not sure if he's in GWB restricted airspace or not...trying to dig a little more and find out.

pgroveson
pgroveson

I don't think Jenkins has God's ear.... AndGod gave him a brain to use, I wish he had considered tat option before proceeding to carpet bomb us with his toxins....@BradWilliamson

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Cats are fine.  Big Kitty is normal... eating a big hearty breakfast.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

 @pgroveson Indiscriminate?  The acreage sprayed was very carefully mapped out.  Price voiced opposition in his usual "genteel" way.  Get the facts before making foolish comments.

DataGoon
DataGoon

@matthavener I don't want it sprayed at me if I didn't ask for it to be sprayed.

mavssam
mavssam

 @kduble Funny how no one wants to quantify that certainty of death and compare it to the marginal increase WNV has added. Follow along:

2,500,000 people in Dallas

Normal Mortality Rate: 8 per 1,000 per year

Let's call the "epidemic" a month old, so a normal monthly rate for Dallas = (8/1,000/12) x 2,500,000=1,667 expected to die every month

Now we add 10 people to that...

So we get a 0.005 or 0.5% increase to the normal expected deaths anyway.

 

I don't want to belittle the tragedy some have faced, but let's keep the conversation objective.

 

Somehow, in my mind, those figures does NOT justify spraying 49,000 acres with a chemical that can supposedly be lethal to any type of life at the rate of 1 ounce per acre

breatheasy
breatheasy

 @drmom5

 Sounds like a great idea except for now I can't afford to sue city hall. If my produce was a real booming business then I suppose I'd have a chance. An occasional free meal at a local vegan restaurant is what I barter for the few veggies I can spare - which is all I expect. Thanks for your support, though.

1dailyreader
1dailyreader

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz I'd say that cat can take anything.  It probably could lay on that granite bench at Cowboys Stadium for an hour and never feel the heat.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz  @pgroveson They don't know what they sprayed.  I was right about the rain, they halted spraying because of it.  But, the precautions were inadequate.  Mists work by staying airborne for extended periods of time.  But, with rain, the mist is pulled out of the air and concentrates in the water run-off.  So, I foresaw this and evidently no one else did.  I called KERA and posed this as a question, but got in too early.  I suggested they look as the MSDS and see what it said about precautions regarding rain/watering.  They didn't follow up either.  

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @mavssam  @kduble Oddly enough, both the CDC and WHO report that 80% of humans infected with WNV will be asymptomatic, approx 20% will develop flu like symptoms, and .6% will develop severe West Nile disease (encephalitis or meningitis). 

 

This year's CDC reported cases US-wide are 693, with 406 being reported as severe.  Of course, the asymptomatic infections would go unreported, and many of the symptomatic cases would also be unreported.  There have been 26 deaths nationwide.  Meanwhile seasonal influenza kills, on average 36,000 people per year in the US.

 

There is no human to human vector for WNV known as of yet.  There is also no bird to human or animal to human vector for the virus.  There is a risk of injury from aerial spraying to both humans and animals.  There is also a risk of residual contamination of food and water supplies from aerial spraying.  There is no conclusive estimate as to how long contaminates from aerial spraying might remain in the food/water chain. Regardless of the efficacy of aerial spraying this year, mosquitoes will be back next year, so the problem isn't 'solved' with aerial spraying.  Conversely, lingering effects of sprayed pesticides could POSSIBLY disrupt the life-cycles of natural predators of mosquitoes for next season, giving the mosquito population a healthy boost and requiring more spraying.

 

All in all, aerial spraying is a bad decision, in my "name on my shirt-pocket, conservative" and completely uncredentialed opinion. 

1dailyreader
1dailyreader

 @scottindallas I wondered how dangerous the runoff would be to water in the lakes and creeks too.  I guess they considered everything - at least I hope they did.  My insides can hold up to plenty of alcohol but I know about chemicals like the spray bombs.

arlo
arlo

 @RTGolden  @mavssam  @kduble Wow, a objective intelligent conversation about the spraying? I must be dreaming.

 

Too bad that no matter how right we are they won't change their mind. :(

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