Developer Wants to Turn Garland Road into Arboretum Boulevard

deep-sigh

what's happening with that Beach restaurant/volleyball place that closed at gaston/garland/grand? that's a huge spot that could use some TLC and make it a great neighborhood place.

jared.heath

Yeah, that won't happen

WhiteRockHillsRocks

Is Far West recently gone? I could swear only a week or two ago I saw all of that parking lot full on a Saturday night.

old78

@WhiteRockHillsRocks It's still here, but won't be for long. Its lease runs out next spring, and it's not part of LPC's plans going forward. Like I said earlier, good f-in' riddance!

OhReally

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White Rock Blvd!!!!!! That is the big picture. Once Garland Road is redone and a vision is underway, the Arboretum, is only one thing on the block. Our streets should not be free advertising for private non-profit organizations.

EastDallasDad

No. No. No. No. No.

I am sick and tired of the Arboretum and it's supporters dominating every decision made in this part of Dallas. Almost everyone I know that lives in this part of Dallas doesn't give two shits about the faux culture at the Arboretum. White Rock Blvd. is acceptable if it has to be changed. Seeing Far West gone will certainly be a good thing but we don't need another West Village or Mockingbird Station. If we wanted that we could go to those locations.

old78

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Whatever happened to the Garland Road Vision Project? Is there any impetus to hold developers feet to the fire in applying that document, or is it just pie-in-the-sky urbanism? There are a lot of cool parcels of land down Garland Rd, even beyond 635. I think the two cities should get together and turn Garland Ave/Rd into a regional model; redevelop the run-down parcels at Garland and Miller, Garland and Kingsley, and apply the GRVP. Maybe throw a streetcar all the way from downtown Garland to Gaston/Grand, and add bike infrastructure.

Never gonna happen, though. That would be the right thing to do, and the right thing to do is way too progressive.

Or maybe Jason Roberts and his hat could swoop in and show us eastsiders how it's done.

OhReally

@old78Where do you think Jason Roberts got all of his ideas from? The OC and Bishop Arts has been going strong for 15 years. It wasn't until after it became popular with the media, Roberts jumped in as an events planner and opportunist. What is happening in OC is what happened in east Dallas 30 years ago and what happened in Uptown10 years ago.

Tim.Covington

@old78 But, where would they put all of the used car dealerships? And, how would Garland make up the revenue from ticketing people for lapsed registration/inspection on that section of road. (Happened to my mother-in-law, and the cop told her that was all he was there to do was write those tickets.)

somethingfunny

@Tim.Covington @old78 By closing down the DMV office where people normally go to avoid lapses in registration/inspection, I assume.

I say just build an elevated freeway (ok tollway) above Garland Road that runs from Fair Park to Wylie and let the ground-level road be the service road, allow redevelopment from there.

somethingfunny

@Tim.Covington @old78 just no more trolley lines, please. Traffic's bad enough as it is without a lane being taken away by a 10mph trolley car with three people riding it.

old78

@Tim.Covington @old78 Half of those places look like fronts of one kind or another to me.

Erich14

@old78 Raymond's Pit BBQ. The food is so bad it MUST be a front for something!

mik534

While they're at it, they need to do something with Garland Rd. Between Jupiter and Peavy. It has got to have the most auto repair joints per square mile than any other area in Dallas.

somethingfunny

@mik534 But if they fixed Garland Road, how will the auto repair joints stay in business without all those suspension-destroying potholes?

old78

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@mik534 While they're at it, they need to do something with Garland Rd. all the way down to downtown Garland, in my opinion. It has the potential to be a great boulevard, but as it stands, it's a great example of complete lack of forethought in city planning.

keeponcarryinon

@old78 It's a great example of diversity...

CelebrateDivershitty

@old78 @keeponcarryinon LOL yeah right

movinondown

@old78 Your words not mine!

old78

@keeponcarryinon @old78 I'm sorry. You're right. If it were all white people, it would be all gleaming and fantastic.

Do you have a point other than white people good, blacks and ''mexicans,'' bad?

keeponcarryinon

@old78 So if it's property owners... how can it have nothing to do with demographics? It's not like that area would be all tire shops and used car lots if the demographics were different.

GuitarPlayer topcommenter

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@old78 And Dallas Code Enforcement is a sham.

old78

@keeponcarryinon It has nothing to do with demographics. It has everything to do with property owners and city leaders.

oakclifftownie

Watch out they might turn it into a Massive over grown vacant lot .

kergo1spaceship

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Good idea.......Garland is synonymous with sh+t! What''s next, Dixon Circle Kiddie Pizza?

engmofo

Thought the old redesign for the intersection of Garland/East grand/Gasto called for a roundabout(traffic circle)?

engmofo

BTW the Taco place at the Whip in RULES

bill.holston

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this neighborhood is doing great with lots of small businesses. We see Good 2 Go Taco, Goodfriend Beer Garden, Alligator Cafe and now the new Lucky Dog Books. Small fun locally owned businesses. Great places to hang out and meet neighbors. And the old established businesses: Casa Linda Bakery, McShann Florist, Casa Linda Veterinary Clinic. I don't care about the name one way or the other, but there is a cost to small businesses in signage stationary and website updates and for that reason i'm not in favor of changing the name.

TexOHara

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@bill.holston I still miss Frankie's Little Europe.

bill.holston

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@TexOHara

me too, had lots of great meals there.

keeponcarryinon

@bill.holston How are those things the same neighborhood? They are miles away from this intersection.

old78

Those things are within 3.5 miles of that intersection. That's not far by Dallas standards. Even on a bike, that's not a long ride, were the infrastructure more developed to where you didn't have to brave Garland Rd's traffic to do it. This isn't NYC, with a new neighborhood every block, remember.

old78

@maps2on2222 That's an exaggeration. Five Points residents don't shop where Parkies do, and vice versa. That's not the case for the Garland Road corridor, where everyone uses Albertson's, Home Depot, Marshall's, Goodfriend, etc.

baduserexperience

@old78That standard means living near Five Points is the same as residing in University Park.

movinondown

@GuitarPlayer @keeponcarryinon Show me where I said that

GuitarPlayer topcommenter

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@keeponcarryinon Those intersections ARE part of the same hood. And to say Peavy/Garland and Garland/Grand have more Mexicans than the other is ignorant.

bill.holston

the article is about changing the name of all of Garland Road, which is why I commented. I drive that stretch of Garland Road from Barnes Bridge to Gaston twice a day every day. It's several neighborhoods, I agree. But my point was directed to the businesses which exist there in the area now and the impact of a name change.

old78

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@keeponcarryinon You're right. More Mexicans at Peavy/Garland. I'm sorry. I had forgotten what your definition of ''neighborhood'' was.

keeponcarryinon

@old78 My point... is that no one but you and Bill Holston would consider the intersection of Garland/Grand and Garland/Peavy or Buckner to be the same neighborhood and you need to use the most vacuous non-definition of neighborhood to do that.

old78

@keeponcarryinon So the houses are worth more on the south side of the lake. People there still shop in Casa Linda. They still take their cars to Firestone and go to Home Depot. What's your point?

keeponcarryinon

@old78 It's a stretch to consider opposite sides of the lake the same neighborhood. Totally different in almost every way as well

GuitarPlayer topcommenter

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@bill.holston I agree completely. Support local small businesses.

keeponcarryinon

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I support anything that involves bulll dozing the DUI donkey cart disaster known as Far West(or East whatever it is)

old78

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@keeponcarryinon Far West is out of the picture. It's gone. The only thing left is to argue about Lincoln's plans moving forward, which thankfully don't include Far West. Good riddance.

Daniel

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I say get rid of all the asphalt, green the joint up and put in some low-key al fresco places a la Barton Springs Road in Austin. It'll be like the new Katy Trail places, but without all the high-octane gym rat douchebags and their utterly conventional girlfriends. It's just crazy enough to work.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownasPaul topcommenter

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Just what in the sam hill is wrong with the name "Garland Road"? It makes it real easy to answer the question: "How do you get to Garland?" ... Well go out Garland Road until ...

Before it was called Tom Landry Freeway, it was called the Ft. Worth Turnpike, at least on this end of it ... and I think Amon Carter called it the road to he!! ...

GuitarPlayer topcommenter

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Leave the damn name alone and just do something nice and useful in that area. And no Wal-Mart please.

cynicaloldbastard

@GuitarPlayer Your wish may not come true. Have you seen the new Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market at Marsh & NW Hwy? They built the back, cinderblock wall parallel to Marsh. Crappy view with terrible traffic flow to come. Good luck to the Eastsiders.

scottindallas topcommenter

@cynicaloldbastard I thought Walmart developed their own land? I would think LPC would be a good harbinger

DanTheMan

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They are going to probably need rezoning and want local/state $$ spent to fix that intersection. Neighbors need to figure out that they would/n't like to see there and show up to meetings.

Rename it East Grand (extend) up to 635. Fuck Garland.

somethingfunny

@DanTheMan See and I say we rename it the Garland Expressway and build six elevated toll lanes above it that run from Fair Park to Wylie. Fuck Lakewood.

Los_Politico

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@DanTheMan I think the name change is a good idea. East Grand seems easiest, but I'm open to Arboretum as a name too. I don;t see why my neighborhood should be defined by another suburb. It is so annoying to say I live north of Garland Rd. "Oh Like in Sachse?" NO dammit! in Dallas. Change Plano Rd to Lake Highlands the whole way while we're at it.

beda50

@Los_Politico @DanTheMan

I just say I live east of White Rock Lake (in Little Forest Hills). Can't you just say you live north of the lake?

GuitarPlayer topcommenter

@Los_Politico "It is so annoying to say I live north of Garland Rd. "Oh Like in Sachse?" NO dammit! in Dallas."Maybe you should hang out with smarter people. I've never had anybody stupid enough the ask me that.

anonymous_poster

@Los_Politico No, I have no problem with who or what is there and no I don't think Dallas should/could/would take over anything. Hell they run anything they put their hands on into the ground and that is where my problem lies. I know they don't control developers and I just lumped them together because it seems time and time again no matter who or what it is, if its in Dallas its going to be a mess. Which is a shame because this piece of land has so much potential instead of the sea of asphalt and abysmal buildings that are there now.