Shape-Shifting Mitt: From Blue Blood to Blue Collar. That's a Laugh.

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I had a private little laugh and moment of startled disbelief while my wife and I were watching Mitt Romney's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention last night. Romney described his father as having started out in life as an apprentice "lath and plaster carpenter," a term so arcane in the age of Home Depot building materials that Fox News actually recorded it in their transcript as "laugh and plaster carpenter."

More on laughing plaster in a moment. That wasn't what I personally was laughing about.
I knew Romney's father just a little bit, only as a reporter knows a politician, but I did a fair amount of research on the old boy and his family back many years ago when I was a reporter for The Detroit Free Press and he was a kind of returning hero, coming back to Bloomfield Hills to retire after serving in the Nixon White House.

George Romney's parents were monogamy-practicing Mormons, Gaskell Romney and Anna Amelia Pratt, who sat at the head of Utah's most prosperous Mormon family. George Romney bragged to me that his father made and lost several fortunes in the construction business. These were rich people, justifiably proud of their achievements.

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Well, the tie's blue anyway.
I'm sure Gaskell Romney did struggle. The Romney family story is one of genuine courage and audacity. The part where I laughed last night, however, was when Mitt Romney tried to paint his dad, George Romney, as a blue-collar Detroit guy.

The Fox transcript has Romney saying, "My dad never made it through college, and he apprenticed as a laugh (ph) and plaster carpenter. He had big dreams. He convinced my mom, a beautiful young actress, to give up Hollywood to marry him. And moved to Detroit."

What a tale. Sort of hard to believe, eh? What did he tell her? I beg you, leave this meaningless dross of Hollywood glamor, come with me to Detroit, and we shall lead the life of laugh and plaster.

It's lath and plaster, of course, the stuff they used to make wall coverings out of before Sheetrock. And I'm sure George Romney did work for his dad's construction company at some point. But after college and his missionary stint, young George went straight to Washington where he made a brilliant career as a Senate staffer and lobbyist.

George Romney was never a car guy. American Motors brought him out to Detroit from the Automobile Manufacturing Association, the industry's lobbying arm, to be a sort of figurehead chief executive and super-salesman, heading up the innovative "gas-guzzling dinosaurs" ad campaign for the Rambler. He got all kinds of ink and TV exposure through the ad campaign, building the name recognition that later propelled into him into the governor's office in Michigan.

Am I saying there was something fake about George Romney? Oh, no, quite the contrary. What people loved about George Romney was that he was absolutely straight-on, what you see is what you get.

His candor eventually undid him in his 1968 presidential bid: Romney told the truth about Vietnam, saying he (and by implication all of us) had been brainwashed by the Washington establishment to believe it was a good war that we were going to win. The truth was that it was a bad war that we were going to lose.

That finally was too much truth for America at the moment. We still haven't come to grips with losing that war. George Romney was out of the 1968 presidential race, but it was an entirely honorable exit.

Look, George Romney, like his son Mitt, was a rich kid. The point about George Romney was that he took his advantages as a challenge to work even harder, reach even farther. He was proud of who and what he was, and I do not believe it would ever have occurred to him to try to pose as something else.

It looks to me like his son did the same thing -- worked as hard as any poor kid with rat-in-the-belly ambition -- and that's a thing for a rich kid to be proud of. But to deny it and pose as something he is not is just flat disturbing, every bit as much as if he really were a poor kid trying to take on airs as an aristocrat. It is not a thing old George would have gone along with a bit.

That's why the laugh and plaster thing really wasn't funny. It's a window into the soul of a shape-shifter, the being the Indians called a nagual. He can be anything. Just show him what animal you want him to be, and he will appear to you as that creature.

The entire theme of the Republican convention was, "No matter what you see on your TV screen, we are not rich white people." They even had Ann Romney up there talking about how, "We walked to class together, shared the housekeeping, ate a lot of pasta and tuna fish ... our dining room table was a fold down ironing board in the kitchen."

Yeah. At Harvard.

But I guess some posing and exaggeration are to be expected at a political convention, but that's not supposed to include the guy who wants us to to elect him president. Last night Mitt Romney tried to tell me he was from some kind of blue-collar Detroit "car-guy" stock. I hope he tries it again in the debates. I have the rebuttal line right here: "Governor, you're no Joe the Plumber."


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Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

What does it tell you that with over 30 speakers at the Democratic convention it seems that not a single one is from the private sector?

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Bush left office with the DOW at 7,949.  It's nearly doubled under Obama.

 

Bush left office with two wars raging.  Obama ended the Iraq war and is ending the Afghan war.

 

Bush left office with a massive deficit after being handed a surplus by the Democrats and Clinton.

 

Bush left office with a GDP rate of NEGATIVE 6.7%  Obama turned that around.

 

Bush left office with a surging unemployment rate.  Obama turned that around.

 

Bush gave up on getting the terrorists.  Obama did the job.

 

Are we better off now?  YES!

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

" It's a window into the soul of a shape-shifter, the being the Indians called a nagual. He can be anything. Just show him what animal you want him to be, and he will appear to you as that creature." This, from an Obama voter. Oy vey.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Are we better off than we were when the bush left office. Hell yeah!

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

According to the U.S. Census Bureau’s “Survey of Income and Program Participation,” almost 110 million individuals – out of a U.S. population of over 311 million -- received a welfare benefit in 2011.  These figures do not include Social Security and Medicare, but they do include non-citizens who receive benefits.

 

From the Huffington Post:  http://tinyurl.com/d8n3jbc

 

 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

"The growth of entitlement payments over the past half-century has been breathtaking. In 1960, U.S. government transfers to individuals totaled about $24 billion in current dollars, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. By 2010 that total was almost 100 times as large. Even after adjusting for inflation and population growth, entitlement transfers to individuals have grown 727% over the past half-century."

 

from:  American Character Is at Stake, this Saturday's The Wall Street Journal

 

http://tinyurl.com/d4ewatj

 

snip!

 

We have paid for this by issuing debt, then more debt to pay the interest on the debt already issued, and that debt is now due.  In fact, it is alive and growing on itself.

 

And we're broke.  We need a turn-around guy.  Fortunately, help is on the way.  Otherwise, our prospects are quite gloomy.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

After being on the Simpson-Bowles committee, Paul Ryan rejected it.  Now, he's saying Obama ignored the Simpson-Bowles recommendations.  Ryan is a liar.

smplgc
smplgc

And Obama .....what about Obama's father? Barrack was college flunky who honestly NEVER had a REAL job. Him and his father were parasites who exploited the American system  and they were Communists, and a  I do not remember when it was that the Romney campaign tried to portray him as "Blue Collar" in the first place. Was there something factually untrue you can point out? Apparently not. Jim Schutze a journalist? That's a laugh

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

All this useless myside yourside finger pointing is tiresome; both political parties with their infinite special interest lobbyists and mandarin bureaucracy (who actually write the legislation) are the problem.  This is what fuels the Tea Party and their desire to kill the beast, and the Republicans have managed to co-opted the movement to their benefit.   The Democrats tried to co-opt the occupy movement, but it's difficult to heard cats.  It's all just a game to the political overlords.  

 

We're now taking part of the greatest government financial experiment in history.  What matters now is what happens next. And the key is to strike the right balance between maintaining or growing spending now, while the rest of the economy is week, and trimming the growth later, to get the deficit under control.  

 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

The myth of a democratic socialist society funded by capitalism is finished - Janet Daley, UK Telegraph

 

http://tinyurl.com/8syur7k

 

"What is being challenged is nothing less than the most basic premise of the politics of the centre ground: that you can have free market economics and a democratic socialist welfare system at the same time. The magic formula in which the wealth produced by the market economy is redistributed by the state – from those who produce it to those whom the government believes deserve it – has gone bust."

 

"It has become apparent to anyone with a grip on economic reality that free markets simply cannot produce enough wealth to support the sort of universal entitlement programmes which the populations of democratic countries have been led to expect. The fantasy may be sustained for a while by the relentless production of phoney money to fund benefits and job-creation projects, until the economy is turned into a meaningless internal recycling mechanism in the style of the old Soviet Union."

 

"Contrary to what many know-nothing British observers seem to think, the message coming out of Tampa was not Tea Party extremism. It was just a reassertion of the basic values of American political culture: self-determination, individual aspiration and genuine community, as opposed to belief in the state as the fount of all social virtue."

 

"But in the course of this campaign, however it concludes, we are all going to get an education in what it might be possible to say if economic reality was actually confronted. Mr Ryan wound up his acceptance speech for the vice-presidential nomination with the chorus, “Our nation needs this debate. We want this debate. We will win this debate.” Some of us would like to have that debate here. We even think we might have a chance of winning it."

 

snip!

 

constant exposure results in some contamination - Mr. Spock

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

As for the "We Built It" distortion, Obama's speech was about the infrastructure built by the people.  A business would not exist without infrastructure.  The republicans should be (but won't be) ashamed of their low, deceitful manipulation of what Obama stated regarding businesses being helped by the "government", aka "the people".

joseph
joseph

What is flabbergasting is that a man whose whole career was piling irresponsible debt on companies as a corporate raider, some times bankrupting them, proposes he is the candidate to tackle our huge national debt and deficit problem. It's insane.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Oh, forgot.  Another lie is that Obama relaxed welfare work requirements.  It was mostly republican governors who pushed for that because their states were having financial difficulty and couldn't abide by the work requirements.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

 @holmantx Pish-posh.  The fact remains that your republican incompetents, the bush and cheney took a surplus and ran up a massive deficit.  Fact.  Next!

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @smplgc what are you talking about?  Obama's father didn't spend much time in this country.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

 @Sotiredofitall Well, you won't get the republicans to do anything of substance regarding the deficit.  For one thing, they reject any reduction in the bloated defense budget.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @holmantx holman, what we have is a global experiment of low tax rates.  It's taken the world's economy down.  When tax rates were higher, we had a more stable economy.  It started with Thacher and Reagan, it's resulted in the destruction of Europe and the our economy.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

 @holmantx Holman, you really do not get what's going on. The extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy will increase government debt $950 billion over the next ten years, according tot he latest report of the Congressional Budget Office. 

http://www.offthechartsblog.org/cbo-ending-high-income-tax-cuts-would-save-almost-1-trillion/

That is not to say, however, that government debt is bad. As the CBO report observes, the worst damage we could do to the economy right now would be to squeeze public debt radically.

It's a question of where to spend the debt. If we extend Bush-era one-percenter tax cuts, much less money gets spent by families and we get way less economic bounce than we would get from the same amount of tax cut delivered to middle income families.

This whole idea that our basic economic system no longer works is simple-minded radicalism peddled by people who do not understand our basic economic system.

The system works. We just need to work it.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

 

Obama's speech was, as usual, a rich mix of strawmen and platitudes. The funny thing is, when you include he entire context of this statement, it's even more damning.

 

There's a reason the demographic known as the "small business owner" is now the least supportive group, according to Gallup. He has no knowledge of business, and his cabinet and collection of czars  collectively has the least private-sector experience of any modern president, by a very, very wide margin. You could say that the free-enterprise ideal is not very popular nor well-represented in this administration. They're more concerned about unionized government enterprise, which creates nothing.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @joseph 

 

What is flabbergasting is your use of the term "Corporate Raider", when you obviously have no idea what it means, and how it doesn't apply to Bain, or Romney.  Obama's greatest appeal seems to be to those who know as little as he does about the nature of free enterprise.

 

 

Here's a suggestion, Google the term "Look who parks their cash at Bain", which will lead you to the NY Post, and a list that might surprise you.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz According to the IRS, 392,220 millionaire tax returns were filed in 2007.  In 2009, the last firm data report by the IRS, that figure dropped 40% (over 155,000 filers) to 236,883.  

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Pish Posh?  Who are you?  Scarlet in Gone With The Wind?  Just think about this tomorrow, Scarlet

 

On the current trajectory, the national debt likely will hit $20 trillion in a few years. If, by that time, interest rates were to return to 5 percent (a low rate by postwar standards) interest payments on the debt could run around $1 trillion per year. Such a sum would represent almost 40 percent of total current federal revenues and likely would constitute the single largest line item in the federal budget. A balance sheet so constructed would create an immediate fiscal crisis in the United States.

 

In addition to making the debt service unmanageable, a return to normal rates of interest would depress the kind of low-rate-dependent economic activity that characterizes our current economy. A slowing economy would cut down on tax revenue and trigger increased government spending to beleaguered public sectors. Higher rates on government debt also would push up mortgage rates, thereby putting renewed downward pressure on home prices and perhaps leading to another large wave of foreclosures. (My guess is that losses on government-insured mortgages alone could add several hundred billion dollars more to annual budget deficits.) When all of these factors are taken into account, I think annual deficits could quickly approach, and then exceed, $3 trillion. This would double the amount of debt we need to sell annually.

 

http://tinyurl.com/9lvlf3l

 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @JimSX We have been adding to the Public Debt - year-over-year - since 1960.  We're done.  The Federal government is now the largest purchaser of its own debt.  No one else will buy it on such a pace we now need to sell it at.  We aren't going to make it.  Europe is on fire.  Self immolation.  

 

Erskine Bowles: 'We Face The Most Predictable Economic Crisis In History'

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @albert.finney000  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz You're confusing professional partnerships with truly small business.  Also, we've been so propagandized that most support policies that are harmful to themselves.  

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

 @albert.finney000  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz I love this idea that for president of the united states we need some dude who's been running a small plumbing supply business in dubuque all his life. Like every other bloody shirt the radical right waves, this one is already getting old. screw small business. if it's so cool how come it's so small?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @albert.finney000  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz

 

"The funny thing is, when you include he [sic] entire context of this statement, it's even more damning"

 

really? here is that part the speech...

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THE PRESIDENT:  Well, first of all, like I said, the only way you can pay for that -- if you’re actually saying you’re bringing down the deficit -- is to cut transportation, cut education, cut basic research, voucherize Medicare, and you’re still going to end up having to raise taxes on middle-class families to pay for this $5 trillion tax cut.  That’s not a deficit reduction plan.  That’s a deficit expansion plan.

     I’ve got a different idea.  I do believe we can cut -- we’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts.  We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently.  (Applause.)  Not every government program works the way it’s supposed to.  And frankly, government can’t solve every problem.  If somebody doesn’t want to be helped, government can’t always help them.  Parents -- we can put more money into schools, but if your kids don’t want to learn it’s hard to teach them.  (Applause.)

     But you know what, I’m not going to see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them.  So I’m going to reduce the deficit in a balanced way.  We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts.  We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more.  (Applause.)  And, by the way, we’ve tried that before -- a guy named Bill Clinton did it.  We created 23 million new jobs, turned a deficit into a surplus, and rich people did just fine.  We created a lot of millionaires.

     There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back.  They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.  (Applause.)

     If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

     The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together.  That’s how we funded the GI Bill.  That’s how we created the middle class.  That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam.  That’s how we invented the Internet.  That’s how we sent a man to the moon.  We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President -- because I still believe in that idea.  You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.  (Applause.)

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wow. you tell us, just what is "damning" in what Obama said?

 

and clearly the RNC convention disorted the words of the President, and they should be ashamed. but frankly, they are incapable of shame

 

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

 @albert.finney000 Most small businesses couldn't even start up without a loan from the Small Business Administration.  But you knew that already.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @albert.finney000  @joseph

 yeah, "corporate raider" isn't really an accurate phrase for the Bain model.

 

"corporate plunderer" is much more on the mark. take over a company, typically using other people's money, and then do 2 things: first, get a piece of the pie with little if any of Bain capital actually put into the deal, and second, have huge fees paid to Bain from day 1 out of the acquired company's cash flow, regardless of if there is positive net income.

 

For Bain, it's a huge payoff. For investors, it's hit or miss, and they are the ones who take the risk rather than sharing the risk with Bain. For the workers of the acquired enterprise, it's more often than not a death sentence of a weakened company as there's little left in the till at the end of the day.

 

The real beauty is all the monies paid to Bain receive favorable tax treatment, the income is taxed at long term capital gain rates rather than as ordinary income.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @holmantx  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz

 no, he didn't. any decision to change the work requirements would not be made by anyone in the Obama administration, those decisions would be made at the state level. the ads and the claim are inaccurate at best, a deceitful lie at the worst.

 

"Romney’s ad says, "Under Obama’s plan (for welfare), you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check." That's a drastic distortion of the planned changes to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families"

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/07/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obamas-plan-abandons-tenet/

 

"the Romney campaign is asserting an extreme interpretation of what might happen under these rules, but it is certainly not based on any specific “Obama plan.” ...What really matters are the plans submitted by governors — and, as our colleague Greg Sargent noted, the two Republican governors seeking waivers issued statements saying they were not planning to weaken work requirements."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/spin-and-counterspin-in-the-welfare-debate/2012/08/07/61bf03b6-e0e3-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html

 

"A Mitt Romney TV ad claims the Obama administration has adopted “a plan to gut welfare reform by dropping work requirements.” The plan does neither of those things."

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/does-obamas-plan-gut-welfare-reform/

 

ding dong, you are wrong.

 

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @holmantx

 the only thing you are consistent in is being inconsistent...

 

you claimed that "no one will buy US government debt", and when shown that to be a falacy your response is to say well, buyers don't have anywhere else to put their money. Apparently you can't step up and say you were wrong, and you compound that with stating another whopper- there are only US and European country's debt to buy, and their's looks worse. what a joke! hey, there is a big world out there, maybe you just missed the news about Asia economies, or corporate debt. 

 

second, when shown just how cheap the US government debt was, your response was to warn about how it will be tough when the "economy heats up". this from a person who says that there is no way the economy would improve with an Obama reelection!

 

hey chicken little, the sky is still up there, it's not falling!

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @holmantx  @JimSX I explained to you how higher top marginal rates and higher capital gains will encourage growth.  Whereas your formulation leads to more finance, more professional services, more media stars, corp executive profligacy, and a shrinking middle Class.  You didn't respond to my argument, and I must assume you don't understand the points.  You've never shown that you can think for yourself, and engage only in sophistry to avoid exposing your ignorance.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @mavdog Thanks to the collapse of the Social Democracy concept in Europe.  Silver lining, I suppose.   That, and the Federal government forcing banks to buy treasury securities instead of loaning the citizen's money back out into the community.

 

And if those rates bump up should the economy heat up, the interest carry alone on the Public Debt would eat up all the tax revenue currently going toward entitlements.  

 

Another reason why the private sector is frozen - we all know what government at every level will have to do then - The Tax Man Cometh.

 

we're in a humm.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @holmantx  

 

"no one else will buy [US Government debt].."

 

yeah, that's why the current yield on US Treasury Bonds is 1.55%.

 

repeat... ONE POINT FIFTY FIVE PER CENT!

 

the world's investors will accept almost a zero ROI to park their money in US bonds and the Dollar for stability.

 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @JimSX And on 1/1/2013, we will experience the largest tax increase in the history of the planet.  And that should push us all into free-fall.

 

For increasing tax rates does not translate into increasing tax revenues, particularly in a severe recession.  

 

Our only salvation is growth.  Sustained 4% to 5% growth in the GDP, per annum for at least five years  so small business can tractor us out of this morass.  Of course, that's Ryan's Plan.  But that is how we've bootstrapped ourselves out of every recession is through GDP growth.  Then we can borrow even more (ha!).

 

And for God's sake the one thing we have GOT to stop is spending more than we collect in taxation.  

 

And that takes us right back to square one.  Taxing wealth and income yet to be created (issuing debt) means it won't be - created.  It's fun but now we're done.  We now have so much debt stacked in front of us, small business refuses to take a risk.  It is the usrupation of the Law of Self-Interest.  I am not going to labor for a period of hours each day and not receive the direct benefit of that labor (and risk).  The mule has lain down at the tongue of the wagon.  It's too heavy.  And no application of the whip hand will make that mule rethink its position.  

 

We should have been out of this recession three years ago however, we are thoroughly stuck in the ditch.  And this is going to get A LOT worse if we do not begin to do something about it namely, get the boot off the productive's neck.

 

Bowles-Simpson is a start.

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @JimSX  @albert.finney000  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Fantastic Jim.  A while back you denigrate the blue collar guys, now you're relegating small business to the trash heap too.  I don't think anyone, here or anywhere else made the claim that the President should come from a background of small business ownership.  So what is this, just a chance for you to display some of your elitism?

 

You're (or, you were, anyway) better than this.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @JimSX  

 

 

"I love this idea that for president of the united states we need some dude who's been running a small plumbing supply business..."

 

The founders would have loved that idea too.

 

 

"...screw small business. if it's so cool how come it's so small?"

 

It's the same problem 4-year-olds have.

 

 

 

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

 

Not to mention loans from banks.

 

In addition to what to cited above, Obama has been fired by more economic advisors than any other president. See a a pattern?

 

 

 

observist
observist

@holmantx @albert.finney000 @mavdog @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz ...says Holman in the most epic example of projection ever.

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @observist  @mavdog  @holmantx  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

 

 

"everything except sex, marriage and marijuana..

 

There are no planks in the Republican platform to restrict sex, there is no plank in the platform to recreate the societal custom of marriage to reflect their view, and while there is no republican initiative to legalize marijuana, neither is there a democrat initiative, and the president is a stoner.

 

 

"Why on earth would you or any other Republican criticize Obama for pushing standards down to the states?"

 

Oh I get it. If it's "states rights" republicans can't oppose.

 

Watered-down Alynsky nonsense. If the change essentially removes a core element of the policy, then what is the policy?

 

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @holmantx  

yeah, you are right and all those other voices, from Washington Post to the Annenberg Center, are wrong.

 

so, are you being obtuse or ignorant? your choice, it's one or the other.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @mavdog  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Lee Bowes is America Works’ president and CEO. Lawrence Mone is president of the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research.

 

"As the CEO of one of the nation’s largest workforce-development companies and the president of the think tank that developed the intellectual arguments behind welfare reform, we urge the administration to reconsider."

 

"The 1996 law is generally heralded as a historic, bipartisan success. Welfare rolls have plummeted, and the poverty rate is still lower than it was in 1996, despite the prolonged economic slump. Even in this tough economy, the number of New Yorkers on welfare is about 350,000 — a far cry from the 1.1 million (one out of every seven city residents!) on welfare in the mid ’90s."

 

"Welfare reform is working: Why would we want to roll it back?"

 

http://tinyurl.com/8mod7gv

 

so yeah, he did.

observist
observist

 @albert.finney000  @mavdog  @holmantx  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz

Freedom from federal standards is exactly what Republicans want on just about everything except sex, marriage and marijuana.  Why on earth would you or any other Republican criticize Obama for pushing standards down to the states?  Could it be that you don't really care about goverance, you just care about your team winning?  That's what Mitch McConnell said his priorities are.....

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 @albert.finney000  

 

 really? you're that obtuse?

 

or are you just that ignorant?

 

you choose.

 

 

albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @mavdog  @holmantx  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

 

Very clever.

 

"no, he didn't. any decision to change the work requirements would not be made by anyone in the Obama administration, "

 

And how did this new-found fredom from federal standards come about? That's right, the administration that had nothing to do with it.

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