Paul Ryan Pick Proves They Don't Make Rich People Like They Used To

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What country is this? Have I been on some kind of horrendous toot, and did I sleep for a month, and did I wake up in the wrong country? All weekend long on my TV set I kept seeing Paul Ryan, the right-wing social Darwinist cheese-head, and they said he was a candidate for vice president of the United States. What United States?

Not these United States. Surely. Somebody slap me. I need to wake up and realize this is all a bad dream. This is the guy who wants to plunge the entire nation into even worse debt by giving the aristocracy a trillion dollar tax cut, and he's really a candidate for vice president?

Oh, wait. We didn't used to have an aristocracy, did we? Maybe that's what's new. I've been thinking about that, because a couple friends have called or emailed me asking me to tell them my Romney coat-hanger story.

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They're kidding, right?
Sorry, I've told it here before. I'll recap it briefly for those who may have missed that class. It's not about Mitt. It's the father, George.

I was a reporter in Detroit. George Romney, a former Michigan governor, had been Richard Nixon's HUD secretary from 1969 to 1975, when Gerald Ford replaced him with Carla Hills. He came back to Bloomfield Hills to retire from politics, and I did a Sunday magazine profile of him.

I was intimidated. He was what you might call "an august personage," famous for having scant patience with the press, and I needed to get him to dish about himself. But that's not the story my friends wanted me to recall.

When I showed up at his house, I was in a car that had a very noisy dragging tailpipe. Romney couldn't stand the messiness of it. He's in a white shirt so heavily starched it looks like it was chiseled from Carerra marble, but he comes out of the house at one point with a coat hanger and tries to shinny underneath my car to tie up my broken tailpipe.

Can't remember how it ended.

But that's how he was. He may have been august, but he was also sort of a typically American regular-guy kind of rich person of the times. He knew what a tailpipe was. He knew how to tie one up. He had been underneath a car before.

And I can tell you one thing: If George Romney had been addressing the Detroit Economic Club, trying to fit in and win people over, he would never have said this: "I drive a Mustang and a Chevy pick-up truck. Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs, actually. And I used to have a Dodge truck. So I used to have all three covered."

Yeah. Something about the sentence, "Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs, actually." It just would never have issued from the mouth of Mitt Romney's father. He didn't say to me, "You need to call down and have another of your Dodge Darts brought out to the house, because this Dodge Dart that you're in now is making a distressing noise, actually."

Actually.

Between George Romney and Mitt Romney and while I was sleeping through the last third of a century, some sort of sea change has taken place in rich people. I note with some relief actually ... and I do say, actually ... that Ryan is the least popular Republican vice presidential pick since Dan Quayle.

Do we think it could have anything to do with his ideas about getting rid of Medicare so un-rich Mom and Dad can go die under a bridge? That sort of thing is very upsetting to people who don't have premium, private, paid-up health insurance coverage for life. Actually. Do the Republicans not know that?

But it's not Republicans we're talking about. Republicans included people like George Romney and my sainted Kansas grandma. Regular people. This VP choice I hear them talking about on my television all day is not about Republicans.

It's this new thing. The Ayn Rand aristocracy. And that's the thing about aristocrats -- their Achilles heel. They don't know. They have no idea.

"Well if there's an issue with your health coverage, why don't you just call down and have your little man bring you out some other sort of health coverage, then, actually."

So for the rest of us, is that a good thing? Our golden opportunity? Or the sealing of our doom? Actually.

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PointingFingers
PointingFingers

Every body likes to point fingers, but the facts are that the economy is going down the tubes and you can thank Obama for that. You are complaining about taxes now just wait until Obamacare takes effect. YOU will be paying ALOT more taxes for Obamacare. Not to mention there will be less jobs than there is now because everyone will be paying penalties or going out of business! Wake up people! Do you think that it is going to get better with Obama? He doesn't do anything but go on Jimmy Kimmel and make up a bunch of lies!

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Paul Ryan drove an Oscar Mayer wienie wagon in his early twenties.  It seems he and Mitt both love to drive around with a dog on the roof.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

new favorite livefyre feature, when the comment thread goes over, you have to click for each additional comment, not for the next slew of comments, a click for each and every one

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

It seems that social programs are just fine when they benefit republican pols, but they're a wicked march toward "Socialism" when ordinary Americans benefit.  Ryan received social security survivor benefits between 1986 and 1988.  He seems to forget that it helped him through college.  He has also had great health insurance for the past 14 years in Congress, thanks to the taxes of "ordinary" Americans.

stephenb51
stephenb51

Guaranteed Democratic victory. Outside of Texas. This is the best pick since Palin.

planecrazy
planecrazy

Wow.  What a libtard shill.  Go ahead and spread the "throw granny off the cliff" lies that Demotards spew everyday.

 

This is what you do Jim.  You make a budget and you have to make hard decisions to keep that budget.  Those guys (Dems) haven't passed a budget since '09.  At least Ryan is making hard choices to get this country to talk about the problem.  You and the "Bama team...ye ole head in the sand approach.  But you're definitely on board for the steal from the rich and give to the poor plan huh?  Welcome to the United Welfare States of American.  Can't wait to see what this shithole will look like in 10 years.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Pompeii 2000 years later - Two petrified humans found with their hands around each others' throats at the foot of Mt. Vesuvius, frozen in ash. - I wonder what was so important that they did not get away from the eruption?

 

A debt wall 40 stories high is rolling toward us all, the dogs are barking and the birds are flying inland, and we sit on the beach sipping Pina Coladas . . . lamenting Ryan's Plan.

 

These financial articles are now piling in every day:

 

http://tinyurl.com/9owmrz5

 

this is going to get A LOT worse.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Though best known as an architect of conservative fiscal policy, Ryan has also been described as a "big-spending conservative."  Ryan voted for the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts and the 2003 Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit, the largest Medicare expansion in history.  Ryan also voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the 2008 $700 billion bank bailout.  Ryan was one of 23 Republicans in Congress to vote for the auto industry rescue.  Ryan also voted against the Bowles-Simpson deficit reduction plan. 

 

Hmm... the Flip-flopper picked another flip-flopper for his sidekick.  Team Etch-A-Sketch.

Anon
Anon

Here's the thing - even middle class people don't know how to fix a car themselves anymore.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

The Romney-Ryan version of voter suppression:  Starve the poor to death and let older Americans get sick and die.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

"I think we face the most predictable economic crisis in history. A lot of us sitting in this room didn't see the last crisis as it came upon us, but this one is really easy to see. The fiscal path we are on today is simply not sustainable," Bowles said. "This debt and these deficits that we are incurring on an annual basis are like a cancer and they are going to truly destroy this country from within unless we have the common sense to do something about it." "People in America are way ahead of all of you," Simpson said. "They know that if you spend more than you earn, you lose your butt. They know that if you spend a buck and borrow 40 cents of it that you are stupid...this government is stupid to borrow 40 cents for every buck you spend." - Former Wyoming Senator Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles, the co-chairs of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform.

 

Mr. President, what is your plan?  You appointed these guys then dismissed their findings.  Instead of smearing Ryan and running a scorched Earth campaign, let's see a modicum of Leadership - what is your plan to avert "the most predictable economic crisis in history".

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

It's so Romney-like that he's been running away from being associated with the draconian Ryan budget since Friday.  Republicans who are up for re-election are doing the same thing.  Sorry.  It's now the Romney-Ryan budget.  Own up, Mitt.  You picked him.

Sotiredofitall
Sotiredofitall topcommenter

I view Romney as a soulless MBA automaton raised in a bubble of wealth and privilege, but most of the comments here do nothing to move the conversation forward in solving very real problems.  At least Ryan has the balls to provide  budget details that can be debated and get past "death panels" and "throw mama off the cliff".   It's sad we have reduced political debate to a high school football game; it's now my side versus your side no matter what.  If the economy collapses only the politicians, the uber rich and their lobbyists win.  We're doomed. 

BettyC1
BettyC1

I wonder if Ryan and Romney know who recieves Medicare and who the largest group of Medicaid

recipients are? Medicare is in trouble because of borrowing from the Medicare fund not because the people who paid into has spent it all.Politicians are full of shit they took SS and Medicare payment from my check since I was a teenager now some guy name Ryan says its an entilement,

it sure as hell is, my entilement to my dam money back.I will give up ss and medicare if Romney agrees to refund all my money with interest that I paid in since day one.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

It IS Ayn Randian, isn't it?  This idea, I got mine, Buddy. Screw you.

I don't think it's particularly a Republican idea. It may not even be a "conservative" one, though what "conservative" might mean these days is anybody's guess.

I don't think it's an idea any more common to the Park Cities than to Oak Cliff or Deep Ellum. Maybe just a little.

But it's clearly not an American idea, unless one is thinking of the America of the Robber Barons, and then only of the Barons themselves, not those they ground under their heels.

For all the chirping of the fundamentalists, it's by no means in any way a Christian idea, or even a Biblical idea.

So where does it come from? I doubt from Ayn Rand herself. Though millions have bought her books, few I'm guessing were actually able to get through the muck of her prose style, and fewer still understood what she was really about. If you talk to those who claim to have read her, they seem to think she comes down to a kind of a "I gotta be me" philosophy. Those who take her seriously, if course, are a threat and a menace.

So not Ayn Rand.Or not mostly Ayn Rand.

I want to propose here a radical answer to the question.

I think it comes from the late 1960s and early 1970s, when the Self was enshrined at the center of all things bold and beautiful. (Not the 1950s, when the Civil Rights movement began; that was the opposite of everyhting I'm talking about here.)

But, yes, the Flower Children and the draft-resisters and the SDS gang and Weather Underground. The bombers and cop-shooters and armored-car robbers. When one's own place in the world became the measure of everything and everybody else. My tastes, my music, my drugs, my politics, my way. 

Naturally a reaction set in from the right. Reagan rode it to victory by blaming the "hippies," as he mistakenly thought of them, for everything that was wrong -- and there was plenty wrong -- with America. Voters who were sick of it, agreed.

But the thing was, Reagan and those who boosted the former light-bulb salesman to power simply turned the whole thing on its head. It was no longer my tastes, my music, my drugs, my politics, my way. It was Their tastes, their politics, their wealth, their entitlement. The captains of industry, the Ayn Randians became what they professed most to despise -- self-absorbed, intolerant, anti-communal. (For all their noise about community, the generation of the late '60s and early '70s were curiously narrow in their definition of who could belong to the commune. No Republicans, no parents, no folks over 30 need apply.)

One form of radical self-absorption and self-agrandisement was simply replaced by another.

I remember Pearl Harbor -- literally -- and I remember the spirit of community that existed throughout the war and well into the 1950s. There were political parties and there was disagreement and there was the unpleasant episode of McCarthyism. But smehow the center held.

The center no longer holds and has not for a long time. The very idea of a center, its desirability, is now anathema to both extremes,  left and right. Thus we are frozen in perpetual gridlock.

Anyway, that's my answer to the question, Where did it come from, this new ugliness, this new anti-social spirit. I'm sicking to it until someone comes up with something better.   

 

 

 

 

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Ryan says that Progressives are a "cancer on America".   FDR was a Progressive.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

The Romney-Ryan pact with the "Devil" wants to "save" old people by destroying Medicare.  The Romney-Ryan budget wants to "save" poor people by destroying Medicaid.  The Romney-Ryan unholy alliance with the very, very rich, wants to destroy 98% of the American people.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

The President today:  "Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?" Obama asked.

 

ok kids, now what do we call this?

 

The President last week:  “I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back,” he said. “Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry."

 

hint:  what is the concept called where government, in the name of the people, attempts to control the means of production?  Not own, but only control (through stock ownership in this case).

 

The President in Roanoke "[I]f you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there."  

 

at least he is being consistent (ha!).

 

He's a Red.  A collectivist.  A proponent of Social Democracy.  The same one that is collapsing Europe.

 

 

Reader
Reader

Jim Schutze's father was a way better man than he was. Low blow?

Survivor
Survivor

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz If his Dad died at 16, he received the benefits until he was 22 or done with college, whichever comes first.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz and a family business that made most of it's money off building highways for the state and federal gov't.  Ryan only earned $1800 in the private sector in his life; and that as a marketing consultant for the family business

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

How about this as a way to close the debt? Don't start another racist xenophobic war with another irrelevant country so we can lose and look like fat rich fools again.  Ryan doesn't quite have the balls for that kind of belt-tightening, does he?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @holmantx Ryan's plan does less to balance the budget than the path Obama has on offer, be it sequestration or Obamacare.

Guest
Guest

 @holmantx The Ryan budget increases the deficit. Furthermore, all this debt talk is scare mongering. Our debt levels are moderate compared to our peers when compared to our GDP.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

 @holmantx Look into Ryan's past activities in Congress and you'll discover that he's hardly a deficit hawk.  Quite the contrary.  The fact is that he's owned lock, stock, and barrel by the very rich.  He is dedicated to making the rich richer... and nothing else.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @Sotiredofitall excuse me, then you might comment on which part of my higher tax proposal (in growing GDP) is mistaken.  A sophists crying sophism. 

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @BettyC1 $2.2 trillion of payroll taxes have gone to subsidize the rich's low tax rates for 30 years.  You're dead on Betty

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @bmarvel It may be Randian.  She had a knack for picking highly socialized industries from which to select her free-market heroes.  John Galt is the biggest beneficiary of socialism in all the annals of literature.  Even Ayn herself, like Ryan, lived off social security and cloistered herself with sycophants.  They think nothing of hypocrisy, lying, and sophistry. 

Mr_Hand
Mr_Hand

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz

 How do they want to destroy it?  How does the Ryan plan destroy medicare? by giving people that are 55 and younger a choice of private insurance?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @holmantxMeanwhile, the Koch's were worth $3.2 Billion in  2000, worth $12.5B in 2007, and worth $25billion in 2011.  Some socialist.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

 @scottindallas Scott, these hypocrites crack me up.  Check out how much taxpayer money Michelle Bachmann has received for her personal aggrandizement.  Bachmann becomes a screech owl when she rails against federal subsidies for the poor and disadvantaged.

Reader
Reader

 @JimSX

 So other countries in the world compared to America are "irrelevant"? Wow, cultural superiority much? Tell us, which countries are "relevant" and which ones aren't, and how exactly did you come to that decision?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @Guest Europe is lost.  It is the only reason why our tapped out dollar remains the currency of record.  There is no place - not even a basket of currencies - for them to go.  It's like decrying the virtues of Europe's social democracy concept, which has COMPLETELY collapsed their economies.  They can't pay the freight on it.  And it's not like those fools across the pond won't tumble pell mell into a third world war.  They are ripe for a charismatic.

 

see the U.S. Treasury Chart - National debt for selected years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

 

it's midway down the page.  It also has the Debt/GDP ratio which is an abomination.

 

We have been adding to the Public Debt - year-over-year since 1960.  Spending has always grown faster than tax revenue growth, no matter who is in charge.

 

It is spending, not taxation (or more importantly tax revenue collection) that is the culprit.  We have been hocking the farm to spend today, and we are done.  The Law of Self Interest has been invoked.  Taxing wealth and income YET TO BE CREATED to the extent we have - means it won't be (created).  Small business has spit the bit.  Bottom line - I will not labor if I do not reveive the benefit of that labor.  So here we sit in the ditch.

 

Now, Treasury is issueing debt just to buy the debt that is maturing (see: Operation Twist program), and issuing even more debt to pay 40% of current operations.  The debt Bomb is growing on its on accord.  It has reached critical mass.  

 

it is alive.

 

and we have happy feet.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Jesus people!

 

The Republicans are not in charge.  The President is.  

 

what

 

is

 

his 

 

plan

 

to avert financial ruin?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @Mr_Hand health care is not a free market, can't be.  At best, it's a profession.  But, the insurance companies aren't willing to take on all comers, so, this is an industry that will always be socialized.  Ryan indeed plans to destroy Medicare, what he failed to understand is that no private insurer wants seniors, they might actually cost money.  Even though Medicare has the worst clients in the population, they provide the majority of healthcare, but only cost 40% of the health care budget. 

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @holmantx Tax revenues are at historic lows, and you say taxes can't be raised.  Low taxes drive capital intensive production overseas, yet we have proposals to add insult to injury.  The best plan is sequestration, which may well be Obama's plan, that IS the plan, and that will go into effect.  Sequestration is the closest thing to Simpson Bowles, and that is law.

gimme
gimme

 @holmantx Stop watching Fox.  France and Germany are doing most of the heavy lifting.  You can do that when you maintain a healthy and educated workforce.  Oh silly me.  Healthcare+Education=Socialism.  I forgot your mantra.  My bad.

 

 

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @holmantx the low tax rates?  The Ryan plan scored lower than Obama's.  But, you're not showing that.  Ryan's latest plan cannot be scored.  I sent you the link, but you keep arguing your sophistry

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @holmantx Ryan's plan which will destroy demand, and shrink GDP won't fix anything.  Ryan lead the move to torpedo Simpson Bowles.  But, you keep believing your partisan dreck.  I show and explain how higher tax rates encourage GDP growth, but you don't seem too eager to discuss facts.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @holmantx

 are you serious? do you not do anything to understand the issues and the politics?

 

the 414-0 vote was anything but "unaminous bipartisanship".The republicans didn't put the entire budget proposal into the resolution, and the democrats saw through the facade.

 

""This is politics at its absolute worst: presenting something as the President's budget without the policy detail, without the explanation to the American people about what's in the President's budget," Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said. "And as a result, he presents a very misleading version of what the President has asked us to do."

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/218931-house-clobbers-obama-budget-proposal-in-0-414-vote

 

If you were honest about the discussion, you would also mention that the republican budget resolutions were also voted down and failed to get a majority of their own party's votes.

 

This paralysis is why there hasn't been a budget approved in 3 years. But instead of pointing out how both sides of the aisle are to blame, you point the finger at obama...who actually doesn't have the ability to approve any of the budget proposals.

 

to restate, there have been obama proposals on reducing the deficit, which you still appear to deny exist.

 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @mavdog again, dog, you reference a plan that was voted down 414-0, in a rare show of unanimous bipartisanship (ha!).  Very well publicized.    Then you smirk!  House Democrats and Republicans were united in their opposition to President Obama's budget, which was this plan you hoist up as evidence he had one.  Such opposites as Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Rep. Michelle Bachmann joined each other in voting against the bill.  That plan never was.  

 

The CBO says it did added trillions to the debt and your Leftists punted it to a man.  Now it's vote time so what's . . . his . . . plan?

 

 

observist
observist topcommenter

 @holmantx 

You

mean

the

financial

ruin

that

was

perpetrated

by

Bush

and

95%

complete

when

Obama

took

office?

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @holmantx

 aha, so now you know that there is an obama proposal to reduce the deficit. previously you asked "where is his plan" over and over and over...and all along all you needed to do was look!

 

his budget proposals cut approx $4 trillion in currently programmed spending over the 10 year period.

 

rational people understand the federal budget deficit resolution will require both spending cuts and revenue increases.frankly, the term "voodoo economics" best describes the republican proposals of tax cuts for the higher income earners while reducing benefits for the lower income earners and the elderly/\.

 

unfortunately, the right wing doesn't think very rationally.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @mavdog Truthfully, Veracity does not consist in saying, but in the intention of communicating truth.  And you know what happened to this budget.  Not one Democrat voted for it plus, the CBO scored it.

 

The President put this plan out on 9/11/2011.  The CBO scored it on March 16, 2012.  Read it and weep:

 

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43083

 

An Analysis of the President's 2013 Budget:  This report by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) presents an analysis of the proposals contained in the President's budget request for fiscal year 2013. 

 

Federal debt held by the public would increase from $10.1 trillion (68 percent of GDP) at the end of 2011 to $15.2 trillion (77 percent of GDP) at the end of 2017 and then to $18.8 trillion (76 percent of GDP) at the end of 2022. Under the assumptions of CBO's current-law baseline, debt held by the public would increase more slowly, ending 2022 at $15.1 trillion; as a percentage of GDP, however, such debt would decline to 61 percent by the end of 2022.

 

snip!

 

Meanwhile, the White House Expects their Deficit to Spike to $1.65 Trillion this year. The National Debt is now growing at  a Rate of $3 Million Per Minute.

 

For the purposes of this thread, let's just stipulate that it's November 3rd and the President is re-elected.

 

Now what, precisely, is the President proposing to CUT in order to save the Nation?  No more voodoo econoomics.

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