Eleven Years Later After Making Prostitution a Felony, Lawmakers Realize They Made a Mistake

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Mark Graham
Dallas police arrest a woman during a prostitution sting on Interstate 20 in 2010.
In 2001, the Texas Legislature passed a law that made prostitution a state jail felony after a third misdemeanor conviction. The measure was intended to be tough on crime and help clear hookers from Dallas truck stops.

The law has done little to curb the sex trade, but it has sent many women to state prison who would otherwise have spent a night in county jail. Currently, more than 350 women are locked up for felony prostitution, each of them costing taxpayers some $15,000 to $18,000 per year to house. The law levied the same penalty on the johns, but none has been convicted of a felony under the law.

The Austin American-Statesman reported over the weekend that some lawmakers are wondering if the 2001 law is such a great idea. Prostitution is a nonviolent crime whose likeliest victim is the prostitute, and Texas is the only state to have made it a felony. More to the point, paying for counseling and treatment is a lot cheaper than paying to house someone in prison.

Karen Green doesn't think prison does any good anyways. "You know why? Because when you put them in jail and you don't rehabilitate them, when they come out they ... only know what they went in there with."

Green runs Haven of Love, a nonprofit that provides counseling and resources to help prostitutes get their lives on track.

The women who are on the street almost all have problems that drive them to sell themselves, Green says, whether it's a history of sexual abuse, drug and alcohol addiction, or mental health issues. Arresting them or putting them in jail solves none of those problems.

The criminal justice system in Dallas County is beginning to adjust to the reality. The Dallas Police Department often directs prostitutes to places where they can get counseling, and judges have the option to dismiss felony prostitution charges if a woman successfully completes an 18-month counseling program with Haven of Love.

Still, about a third of the women locked up for prostitution in Texas are from Dallas County, meaning that smarter enforcement doesn't eliminate repeat prostitution.

Senate Justice Committee Chairman John Whitmire, a Houston Democrat, is leading the push to repeal the provision making prostitution a felony.

"It's nuts that we've got this many prostitutes in prison, people that we're not afraid of, but we're just mad at," he told the Statesman. "By locking them up, we're not fixing the problem -- we're just spending a lot of money incarcerating them, warehousing them, when we could be spending a lot less getting them treatment so they can get out and stay out of this business."


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juliegrant1
juliegrant1

I am canadian.  Prostitution is legal here -although we are still prosecuted for ridiculous reasons.  Since I CHOOSE to be a sex worker and believe it is a legitimate job and pay tax on it I don't see why your last line and is about getting us treatment and getting us "out of this business".  Most of us are providing for families and contributing to society.  You have backward laws because you have backward ideas about the people in this trade and the work that we do.  Get over your superiority complex.  You're not!

WhatTheFuck
WhatTheFuck

Wow it looks like the Observer censored an excellent comment from Bill Marvel!  WTF

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

Right-wingers abhor government interference... except when it comes to reproductive rights, marriage equality, marijuana, euthanasia, prostitution, and any other liberties that are inconsistent with their "moral" worldview.

Americano
Americano

The best part of this article is that I'm looking at a barely covered woman in an ad for "Caberet Royale" while typing this.  Prostitution=Bad!  Advertising income from strip bars=Good!

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

When the Legislature was contemplating that law, a group of our neighbors, victims of that "victimless" crime, traveled to Austin to encourage passage.

Prostitutes on Harry Hines, then Prostitution Central, were servicing their customers along our darkened, tree-lined streets. This was an almost nightly ritual. You couldn't go out in the morning to pick up the paper without slipping on a used condom. The ladies themselves even began to troll for customers at nearby shopping strips..

We were then, as they say, a neighborhood "in transition," and those who were moving out hoped that property values would hold up a little longer while those who were moving in hoped for a reasonably wholesome neighborhood in which to raise their children.

With passage of the law, prostitution vanished from our streets almost overnight.

The neighborhood is doing nicely, now. Lots of new families, lots of kids, a brand new school a couple blocks away. A brand new church visible from my front door. 

Cause and effect? i think so, and so do my neighbors. Undoubtedly there are better ways to deal with prostitution. That Johns almost never go to jail is an outrage. But most of us are happy the problem has been solved and not too picky about how it's been solved.

Unenlightened? Possibly.

But those who chatter on mindlessly about prostitution being a victimless crime are worse than unenlightened. They are smug, cynical, thoughtless of others' lives and problems. Prostitution brings about all sorts of miseries (Think not? Check out your back pages.) of which ours, perhaps, was the least,but no less miserable.

Conventional wisdom sometimes seems clunky and abstract. But they don't call it "wisdom" for nothing.   

 

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albert.finney000
albert.finney000

 @juliegrant1 

 

In the US, prostitution is a symptom of a failed neighborhood, that's what a lot of people object to.

 

I think it should be somewhat legal, simply because of the dangers of STD's and risk to workers from nut cases, etc. Here in US, we have the "laboratories of Democracy", so we have Nevada, I haven't heard a lot of complaints about it, doesn't seem to be a problem. And they have to pay taxes.

 

 

WhatTheFuck
WhatTheFuck

Oh, you didn't after all, it is just your shitty commenting system fucking up.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

I don't know whether our neighborhood is right-wing or not. (I doubt it.) But we would, every one of us, question whether prostitutes are at "liberty" to conduct their business in front of our homes, our children. If you see this as some kind of right-wing, left-wing issue, then I suggest you take a break from politics for a while. Read a good novel. Take a walk, Treat yourself to a nice meal.

 

timetomoveon
timetomoveon

 @Americano Observer and most every other voice weekly depends on hooker ads to stay afloat. It doesn't stop their feminist writers from cashing the checks though. Or stop them from writing countless articles on how human trafficking is a myth...

swop.nola
swop.nola

 @bmarvel 

"They are smug, cynical, thoughtless of others' lives and problems."

 

LOL really?  So, a woman has sex in a hotel room with a man, and she leaves a few hundred dollars richer.  Who is the victim here?

 

Crack down on public indecency.  Fine.  I agree.  Trolling for sex on the side of the road, and then having sex in public and leaving the discarded remnants in other people's yards--that's just gross.

 

But the exchange of money for sex IS a victimless crime.  And your condemnation of all sex workers based on your experience with used condoms in your front yard is thoughless of others' lives and problems.  You support sending women to state prison because, after having sex, she left with a few hundred bucks to support herself, and hell, maybe her OWN children?  

 

I'm glad you're "not so picky" about how the problem is solved.  Next time you do something that someone considers immoral, maybe those around you won't be "so picky" about how they get rid of you.

 

 

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

@bmarvel Every year, there are over 12 MILLION incidents of intimate partner violence- no doubt  brought about by marriage and interpersonal relationships (non commercial). Every year, there are over 80,000 reported rapes- and the cops manage to apprehend about 20% of the alleged rapists. In 2010, Texas had  7,622 reported rapes; the police arrested 1,851 alleged rapists, but arrested 7,554 suspected prostitutes. 

 

On your street where kids are 'safe,' there are doubtless many families which are hiding dark secrets- the violence, the child sexual exploitation by family members. The government says that 90% of the cases of child sexual exploitation are at the hands of someone whom the child knows and trusts... like the preachers, priests, teachers, coaches, boy scout leaders and also unfortunately, law enforcement officers. It sounds like you are completely unaware of these crimes in your and everyone else's neighborhood. Out of sight- out of mind, perhaps?

 

The reason there is so little outcry over the horrendous number of incidents of intimate partner violence, rape and child sexual exploitation at the hands of family members and pillars of the community is because those crimes take place in private homes, churches, schools and hotel rooms, so your neighborhoods are 'not impacted' by this violence. 

 

For many women, marriage 'brings out all sorts of miseries' and can be far worse than anything that the lowliest destitute prostitute experiences, yet there is no crusade to abolish marriage or to punish the victims of domestic violence. Battered women's shelters are struggling to keep up with the number of wives and children who seek refuge within their walls. Battered women (wives) suffer PTSD, and often turn to alcohol and prescription drugs to stop the emotional pain. But they are not 'in your face' so people like you ignore them. Instead you focus on a small number of prostitutes who work on the street, and want them incarcerated for years so that you don't have to deal with the public face of prostitution.

 

The majority of prostitution takes place off the street where it does not impact your neighborhood. Only about 10 to 15%  takes place in public areas where it impacts neighborhoods like yours. However, there are countries where street work is legal and the neighborhoods in which street workers ply their trade are safe and well lit. Rather than continue to punish those whom you and others believe are victims, why not investigate the solutions that other countries have found to be viable? 

 

People complain about backpage.com and other adult ad venues on the internet- but when those venues are closed, it pushes a number of prostitutes to the street. You should encourage more sites where people who are seeking those services can find them, where people offering those services could verify the potential client and everyone could be safer.

 

Obviously, the high rate of domestic violence within our communities shows that there will never be a safe place for any woman (wife or prostitute) or child to live, but if women are not themselves criminals, they have more options available to them to help when they are victimized by anyone. 

 

No matter what you do, prostitution is not going away. There are too many women like me who are willing to sell that which we can legally GIVE away to as many men as we like. If those individuals who litter your neighborhood with condoms weren't charging for sex, they wouldn't be prostitutes and you would have to find other ways to stop them from disposing of used condoms on your lawns. 

 

How about seeking rational solutions to stopping the violence against wives, girlfriends, children and prostitutes- rather than rely on unworkable laws which help no one and waste so many valuable resources? 

 

 

 

 

 

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @bmarvel no Bill, it was the internet.  Cops in Dallas have always been lax about prostitution, they just don't like it on the streets.  The internet has made that an easy rule to comply with . 

 

Where prostitution is legal, working women can call on the authorities for help, when it's illegal, they're powerless with no where to turn, except a jail cell.  Worse than unenlightened.

timetomoveon
timetomoveon

 @bmarvel Don't try to tell that to these white guilt liberal assholes. They don't want to hear it.

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

 @bmarvel Marvel, you are most assuredly an under-educated, under-travelled rube with about as much sophistication as Elly May Clampett.  Get out and about more often.

swop.nola
swop.nola

 @bmarvel  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

No one wants to have sex in front of your children.  Do you have sex in front of your children?  Or do you do it behind closed doors?  By and large, most prostitution occurs indoors, between consenting adults, and no one is the wiser (until there's a police sting).  What do you think will happen if prostitution is legal?  Do you think women will throw down mattresses in your front yard and get busy?  Take a deep breath and quit being so reactionary.  You do realize that prostitution is legal in many other (developed) countries, right?  Ever been to England?

MyrnaIsATroll
MyrnaIsATroll

 @bmarvel  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz "Myrna" is what is known in the biz as a "parody troll", a persona set up by a right-wing conservative asshole in the attempt to make liberals look stupid.

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @timetomoveon  @Americano The number of actual human trafficking cases in the US (according to the US Government) over a period of 2 and 1/2 years? 30% of 2,515 (or about 301 per year). The number of phone calls received by the Polaris Project (National Human Trafficking Resource Center) in 2011 which related directly to 'potential victims of human trafficking'? 756. Of those calls, many were follow up calls- sometimes 3 to 4 calls relating to the initial call. We don't know how many actual victims these calls related to, or if the 'victims' were rescued.

 

The number of rape victims per year (according to the US Government) ? Over 80,000. The number of incidents of intimate partner violence per year? Over 12 MILLION. 

 

So, exactly where are all those victims of human trafficking hiding and why can't the cops find them? They aren't busy searching for alleged rapists, because they only catch about 20% of them every year, leading to a backlog of between 400,000 and 500,000 untested rape kits. 

 

The government spends hundreds of millions of dollars looking for them, but still can't find all those victims. Where do you suppose they are? Are you hiding some?

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @swop.nola 

Once again, try reacting to what someone has actually written here, not to what you imagine they've written..

 

loveyounorma
loveyounorma

 @normajeanalmodovar  @bmarvel Thank you, Norma, for being our voice! Congratulations on the much-anticipated release of AC. You are a bright light to many. Much <3, lady!!

 

Bill Marvel, liberal or not, you are not enough aware of this industry to say anything more here. In fact, because of people like you, highly educated, successful women who CHOOSE and LIKE this lifestyle (and those of you in your neighborhood who support it, albeit probably on a different class level than the sex workers of whom you speak who dangerously walk the streets and are just now doing it somewhere else or are rotting in your Texas jail without any training or assistance while there) are forced to deal with much more crap than in any other country in order to have sex on their own terms.

 

Are you in need of a public humiliation session? Why else are all of you still here?! 

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @normajeanalmodovar 

Closing our eyes to prostitution that was going on literally at our front steps, would have done nothing to stop any of the evils you mention.

None of us imagined prostitution would go away. We just wanted it away from our streets, our homes, our neighborhood. Not an unreasonable desire, I think.

The condoms were, in fact, from prostitutes and their clients. Since they've departed, the only thing on our front lawn is the morning newspaper and an occasional beer can.

Finally, judging from the tone of your comment, you've obviously been seriously hurt sometime in the past. I hope you're seeking healing in some way

 

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @scottindallas I don't think jail is the rgiht place or a prostitute, either. But it doen't follow, however, that the right place is in our neighborhoods.

icowrich
icowrich

 @timetomoveon  A lot of conservatives want to reduce the amount of money spent on jails, too.  

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @timetomoveon 

Strange, moveon. I've been called a white guilt liberal asshole myself on this blog. By someone who wouldn't know a liberal from his shoelace. Maybe even by you.

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @bmarvel   Wow- your extensive knowledge of Einstein is overwhelming! I am sure your neighbors are so proud of you!

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

Yet for all my lack of travel and eduction, I at least know that Einstein was neither reclusive nor anti-social.

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @bmarvel    And where is your real name? I use my real name and my real life is available for anyone to find- because I am as out there as an activist as one could get! 

Some sex workers cannot give their real names because people like you would call the police and have them arrested. You think they are victims and need some sort of rescuing. I mean-  you think that because I find it offensive that people care more about the so called victims of prostitution than they do about victims of rape, domestic violence and sexually exploited children whose predators are family members, cops, preachers, priests, teachers, coaches, boy scout leaders and other pillars of the community- that I was the victim of an abusive marriage? 

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @RTGolden  @swop.nola  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

For some reason, when they change the commenting system here, my name reverted to Bmarvel instead of Bill Marvel. Probably part of that lack of computer savvy in us older folks.

swop.nola
swop.nola

 @bmarvel  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

I'm betting a lot of them are older people who aren't very computer savvy.  It's never a good idea to use your real name as an internet handle.  Also, who names their child "Bmarvel"?

swop.nola
swop.nola

 @bmarvel  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

"My discussion was confined to what was happening in our neighborhood,"

 

That's not a discussion; that's a rambling personal anecdote.

 

There's something called context.  You were talking about the effects of the law on prostitution in your neighborhood, and how it was a good thing.  I simply said that there are other ways to curb the negative behavior you witnessed, other than a law that made prostitution a felony.

 

I...what?  Why would I sign my real name?  That's like rule #1 of the internet.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @swop.nola  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

To the person who signs herself as SWOP:

You really  need to read more carefully, then make sure you understand what you have read before you set your fingers flying over the keyboard.

I said nothing about legalizing prostitution, either pro or con. I ave no problem with legalization. My discussion was confined to what was happening in our neighborhood, where the most obvious and visible prostitution was happening right before our eyes.

I don't know where most prostitution occurs. But when people perceive a problem that is not being addressed, that is in fact getting worse, they are not very picky about how that problem gets addressed. They just want it gone. That's why my neighbors went to Austin.   

Given the personally insulting tone of your comment, by the way, I'm not at all surprised you did not sign your real name. 

Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

 @MyrnaIsATroll I'm going to adopt you as my little lap dog.  You follow me around wherever I go on this web site anyway.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @MyrnaIsATroll  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

And now you're parody-trolling us from the left?

Does partisan politics have to infect every discussion on this blog? I'd almost rather have the prostitutes back. At lest they were honest about what they were doing.

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @Scruffygeist That's why I gave you titles of documents which are from the government and which give the stats you question. The only reason I don't post links is because I find that often when I do, my comments are not posted. So you will have to do a little searching or not, as you prefer. If you prefer to remain ignorant of the information the government has spent your tax dollars compiling, that's up to you.  I don't believe everything the government says is true about anything (in fact, when there is a clear ideological agenda by either the right or the left, the stats are going to confirm whatever it is they want it to confirm), but I do post their stats because when people come up with BS about prostitution and say "that's what studies show" then I can rebut their nonsense with other stats which show info from other studies the government pays for. 

I have been a sex worker rights activist for 30 years since I left the LAPD in 1982. I don't expect anyone to take my word for anything, which is why I post all the documents in one place for anyone who wants to read them. www.policeprostitutionandpolitics.com 

 

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @Scruffygeist Here is the title of  the CDC report  The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS)  which states the following "On average, 24 people per minute are victims of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner in the United States, based on a survey conducted in 2010. Over the course of a year, that equals more than 12 million women and men. Those numbers only tell part of the story—more than 1 million women are raped in a year and over 6 million women and men are victims of stalking in a year.These findings emphasize that sexual violence, stalking, and intimate partner violence are important and widespread public health problems in the United States."

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @Scruffygeist  @normajeanalmodovar The US Government report can be found at wwwpoliceprostitutionandpolitics.com The report was issued earlier this year, and all other stats are from the government. Or you can simply do a search for "12 million incidents of intimate partner violence. You do know how to use the internet, don't you? Us whores do.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

 @normajeanalmodovar  Cite your source on the 12 million you keep throwing out. Rather hard to believe when you start doing simple math on US demographics.

TheCredibleHulk
TheCredibleHulk

 @bmarvel  @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz Poor Bmarvel and his tender sensibilities. The real world is SUCH a scary place!

 

Maybe you'd have a better experience if you limited yourself to debates with your Charm School acquaintances.

 

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @Myrna.Minkoff-Katz 

Dear Myrna,

From time to time I give up blog-commenting because of the bitterness, the nastiness and sheer hatred that inevitably creeps into every stream of comments. (I confess, I am as responsible as anyone else.) People here say things to one another  they would never dare say face to face. (That's why I always comment under my real name.) And so what was originally seen as a forum for the exchange of opinions has turned into a  cesspool of name-calling, angry retorts, put-downs, and political trash-talk.

I don't see any remedy except, perhaps, more vigilance by those who operate the blogs. Not likely, because if folks here were civil to one another, had actual discussions and made relevant points, the number of hits would drop and blogs would not bring in as much income. Ad if DO loses its sex ads, it's going to need ll the income it can muster.

So blogs have become an obscene spectacle like the Jerry Springer Show or some kind of ghastly car wreck, drawing the worst to gawk and gaze at the worst.

You'll forgive me if I drop out. It's not because I've "lost" or "won" anything. What in the world would there be to "win"?  In this kind of exchange, everyone is a loser.

 

 

 

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @bmarvel is that because you have no rational comeback? I use analogies to show how insipid your arguments are when applied to other problems that occur in neighborhoods. But of course, if you'd rather not try to show others how ignorant you are, drop out.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @normajeanalmodovar I think or argument has gone far afield from what this blog was about and so I'm dropping out here

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @bmarvel  and how did that help those prostitutes whom you seem to believe are victims? And why did the cops not do anything? Most likely because they were extorting the prostitutes for sexual favors and were in no position to make arrests. A study of the street prostitutes in Chicago found that a prostitute was more likely to have sex with a police officer than be arrested by one.

 

And on August 8, 2012, the report commissioned by the Ohio State Attorney General showed that the number one buyers of sex from 'human trafficking victims' were law enforcement officers. You can do a search for that and find the report and the news articles which discuss this problem. 

 

So you don't like prostitutes in front of your house- I don't like religious folks coming to my door and trying to convert me. I don't like them to be in front of my house distributing their literature- but the constitution protects their religious freedom so I have to deal with the fact that every Sunday, a mob of people gather on my street to be preached to and to eat the food that this church group offers them. 

 

And then there are the neighborhoods that have a McDonalds restaurant on the corner- and their front lawns are littered with food wrappers and discarded burgers, fries and other food. I am sure those neighbors would LOVE to send the litterers to prison for many years, but since it is only an infraction to litter, these poor neighborhoods must put up with it.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @swop.nola 

Okay, let me make this as simple as I possibly can:

Regardless of what anyone thinks of prostitution, almost nobody wants it in front of their house.

When it does happen in front of their house, and the authorities seem unwilling or unable to do anything about it, folks will try other measures.

That's what my neighbors did. They went down to Austin and lobbied for a bill to make three-time prostitution a felony. They saw themselves clearly as "victims" of prostitution. They didn't want to be victims any longer.

Now, you can argue that putting a prostitute in prison is a bad idea. I would agree. But from my neighbors' perspective, it worked. The problem went away.

There's a lesson in human nature, here. If you create a problem, particularly a problem that threatens folks in their homes, in their families, they will react. Not always in an enlightened manner, perhaps. But they will react. That's basic human nature. Poke the beast often enough, and the beast will bite.

So arguments about whether prostitution should be legalized or whether it is "victimless" or whether marriage is a form of legalized prostitution simply miss the point. You can make those arguments if they give you comfort. They do not deal with the very real problems my neighbors faced,

That's as clear as i can make myself.  

 

 

 

swop.nola
swop.nola

 @bmarvel 

Maybe you should try to express your ideas more clearly and accurately, because I'm not sure what else you could have meant.

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @bmarvel and a few more:

2012 Michael Smith UPDATE: Ex-Royal Oak Police Officer Faces Child Porn Charges - Royal Oak, MI Patch

2012 Raymond Edward Kish Winston-Salem PD member charged in child sex crimes | MyFOX8.com – Greensboro, High-Point, Winston-Salem News & weather from WGHP Television FOX8

2012 Rudolfo Zermeno Winston-Salem police officer arrested on female-assault charge | JournalNow.com

2012 Nicholas W. Butler Police officer faces sex allegation - Lincoln, IL - Lincoln Courier

2012 Anthony Dattilo The Coming Crisis: Anthony Dattilo A Philadelphia police officer arrested over child abuse claims

2012 Matthew MoleFormer Police Officer Sentenced To 2 Years In Prison For Sexual Battery - Mentor, OH Patch2

012 Erik Alexandro Orduno Ex-deputy charged with not reporting colleague's sexual acts with teen Explorer | explorer, reporting, acts - Victorville Daily Press

2012 Larry Semenza Domestic Violence and pedophile Paperwork Outlines Semenza’s Past Domestic Violence | WNEP.com — Scranton / Wilkes-Barre / Hazleton

2012 Robert Eugene Ruark Fairfield Pastor, Former Police Officer Accused of Child Molestation Enters Not Guilty Plea - Suisun City, CA Patch

2012 Ex-police officer charged with destroying hard drive in child porn investigation | NJ.com2012 Matthew Mole Former Police Officer Sentenced To 2 Years In Prison For Sexual Battery - Mentor, OH Patch2012 Christopher J. Wilson Former Phoenix officer pleads not guilty in sex case

2012 Michael Shane Baker Former LaFollette officer added to state's most wanted list » Knoxville News Sentinel

2012 Patrick Rosney VIDEOS: Sgt. Patrick Rosney's arrest 'deeply disturbing' - troyrecord.com

2012 Sgt. Patrick Rosney's arrest 'deeply disturbing' - The Troy Record (troyrecord.com)2012 Sgt. Patrick Rosney to retire, collect pension - The Troy Record (troyrecord.com)

2012 Deposition: Cops conversation with '14-year-old' turned sexual within minutes - The Troy Record (troyrecord.com)

2012 Former CCPD Officer Accused of Inappropriate Relationship with Teen | Corpus Christi, TX | KRISTV.com |2012 Robert McChester Jr.Police Officer Accused of Coercing a Teen for Sex | Corpus Christi, TX | KRISTV.com |

2012 Mark A. Cornish This Week's Charge of Child Molestation by your Local Police: Columbia police officer has been fired

 And this- so typical of the punishment that cops receive for raping us: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/18/ex-cop-pleads-no-contest-misdemeanor-sex-charge/

 

And Thomas Sadler: "“I was a man and I saw a prostitute and I wanted to have sex. "    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/14/former-detective-setenced-prison-assaulting-prosti/

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @bmarvel Sorry Bill- didn't have time earlier to read daily posts. I've been busy today taking care of Victor- my beloved husband who became disabled and bedridden 5 years ago. I am his caregiver and very often it is a full time job. He did not have a good night last night (which meant that we were both awake until the wee hours of the morning), and just now he is resting more comfortably.

 

When I am not taking care of him- during the time when he is sleeping or reading the books I get for him from the library, I am busy working on my next book- "Cops, Hos, Preachers and Politicos- Commercial $ex $candals in America.." which, as you can imagine, requires a great deal of research.

 

This morning, for example, I have been busy posting all the names of the latest cops to be caught either having sex with underage persons or caught with child porn. Unfortunately there are way too many. And it makes me very angry that so few people care that the majority of child sexual predators seem to be in law enforcement. When I worked for the LAPD, one officer I knew, Michael Casados, was caught not once but twice having sex with very young girls. The first time he was admonished- suspended for a few days but that was it. The second time, he was caught having sex with a girl who was 10 years of age when he started diddling her. That time he was fired, but did not go to prison. There were many other officers who also got caught back then, and none went to prison.

 

I am not so much bitter as I am very angry that so many people do not think through their animus toward prostitution. I understand not wanting trash disposed on your property, or people who don't live on your street congregating there, looking for potential customers. But those sorts of problems exist not just for street sex workers, but as I mentioned, there are gangs (who congregate on the front stairway of my townhouse complex in a neighborhood that was once a very nice place to live), there are fast food eaters who dump their trash anywhere and everywhere- all of whom are inconsiderate and rude. And while it would be wonderful if we could just call the police and have every rude individual  who does something annoying arrested and sent to prison for many years, that's just not possible. So other solutions must be investigated and hopefully they are viable. Usually they are not because cops don't have the time or resources to pursue all the stair sitting gang members or littering jerks.

 

However, when it comes to prostitution problems, people very often do not look beyond their own moral or social issues with commercial sex- on the one hand- we are 'criminals'- and on the other hand we are 'victims.' People want to close down the adult ad internet venues which have offered so many sex workers the opportunity to work for themselves rather than for an agency  or the ubiquitous 'pimp' that all prostitutes  are supposed to have.

 

Rather than sit down with sex workers and ask how our work and lives can be made safer, or what it would take to get street workers to work outside of residential neighborhoods, people who presume to know more about our lives than we do pressure the government to enact even more oppressive legislation which does nothing to resolve the problem. When the incarcerated prostitutes are released from prison- as eventually they will be, they will be facing more financial problems than they may have had which led to their working on the street in the first place.

 

Being arrested for any crime related to prostitution makes a woman virtually unemployable- for the rest of her life. If she is a convicted felon, it will be nearly impossible for her to find a place to live, a place to work or services to assist her with 'getting out of the life.' A prostitution arrest practically guarantees that she will go back to working in prostitution, wherever she can. So during her incarceration, she may not be on your street but sooner or later she will return  and take her chances, which thanks to her conviction will ensure even more time behind bars- where she is likely to be raped by the corrections staff. ("Sexual abuse in prison is distressingly common: the Justice Department estimated that more than 217,000 prisoners, including at least 17,000 juveniles, were raped or sexually abused in America in 2008. A total of 12% of juvenile detainees... surveyed between 2008 and 2009 reported being forced into sex. And that is the number of people, not incidents; most victims are abused more than once. More inmates reported being abused by staff than by other inmates. Sex between guards and inmates is illegal in all 50 states." The Economist, May 5, 2011)

 

Even for educated sex workers who work off street (where the majority of us ply our trade- like I did before I was forced to retire due to my physical ailments  either genetically inherited or acquired during my 10 year career with the LAPD), being arrested and convicted of a prostitution offense or even when a boss at a non sex work job learns of our 'shady past', it often leads to unemployment and even homelessness. I've known women who worked only long enough to put themselves through college, found jobs in the profession they wanted, only to lose those jobs when it was discovered that they had once been "victims of sex trafficking."  They then had to return to sex work because society is so ignorant of who we are that it cannot deal with women who have no shame or regret for selling what they could otherwise give away. And when the women are 'exposed' as having been such 'victims' the state often takes away their children.

 

Unfortunately you are far from being the only ignorant person out there. There are way too many of you who simply cannot fathom that there are women who love their work- who have compassion for others and understand that there are so many men (and women) who are lonely, who need not sex but human contact. That was the irony I discovered when I became a call girl. Most of my regular clients didn't care about sex- they wanted to be held, or touched, or listened to. They needed human companionship. 

 

I could go on and on for hours- but I don't really have the time. My husband and my book project are far more important to me than spending another minute trying to educate you when you seem incapable of being educated about us. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."  Unless you are open to learning more about sex workers and what other countries are doing MUCH better than the US to help make EVERYONE safe- neighborhoods, sex workers, etc. I am afraid you are an incorrigible individual, unworthy of any more of my time.

 

 

loveyounorma
loveyounorma

 @bmarvel  @normajeanalmodovar Patronizing comment, Bill. I hope that you're on the road to becoming a more successful home owner so that next time when you buy property you aren't so cheap as to buy into such an "undesirable" neighborhood and then feel the need to "gentrify" or change it. So sorry that you're too cheap and not successful enough to buy property in a neighborhood that is safe for your children.... Poor, poor, Bill.

bmarvel
bmarvel topcommenter

 @normajeanalmodovar 

As I said, I hope things are getting better for you.

I also hope that you overcome the bitterness that leads you to describe me, a complete stranger, as " ignorant" and as someone who doesn't " give a rat's patudie about police corruption, domestic violence, child sexual exploitation at the hands of your local teachers and preachers and priests- and cops (want to see a list of perverted cops who diddle little children?"

I can't imagine what I said to offend you to provoke such a response, but whatever it was I apologize.

 

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @bmarvel And as I said- how can I heal knowing that there are so many ignorant people like you out there who don't give a rat's patudie about police corruption, domestic violence, child sexual exploitation at the hands of your local teachers and preachers and priests- and cops (want to see a list of perverted cops who diddle little children? search for " Pedophile and Child Porn Law Enforcement Agents 2010-2012 " 

Want to see a list of cops who extort sex from prostitutes? Search for "Rape- Sexual Assault -Solicitation of prostitutes by by Law Enforcement Agents "

 

I will only be able to heal when consenting adults can do whatever they want with their own bodies without moral busy bodies like you trying to send them to prison.

normajeanalmodovar
normajeanalmodovar

 @bmarvel Indeed I was seriously hurt in the past- the ten years I spent working for the Los Angeles Police Department were horribly damaging to me. Particularly because when I tried to expose the police corruption, they decided I needed to go to prison, even though the cops who were involved in the burglary ring, extorting prostitutes for sexual favors and having sex with underage boys and girls (some as young as 10 years of age) not only did not go to prison, but many did not even lose their jobs. 

 

You can read the while sordid story by searching for "Norma Jean and the Hollywood Corruption Scandal" where I thoroughly document everything I say. 

 

As for marriage, I have been with my beloved husband for 36 years- I met him while I was working for the LAPD (NO he was not a cop). I have been so fortunate because my relationship with him has been the best that any human being could ever ask for. He has never raised his voice to me, much less  his hands in violence. Can't say as much about the cops I dated when I first joined the LAPD in 1972. Violence is a way of life for them and they seem to get away with it because people like you don't want to convict them of anything. Just so you know- I don't have anything against good cops- just the ones who are violent and corrupt.

 

While I was incarcerated (for writing a book about police corruption), I was sexually assaulted by a corrections officer. I was not his only victim. When I was released from prison, I told the supervisor about this, but since it was my word against his and no one had witnessed the crime, he was not punished. Later I mentioned this incident on national television and then and only then was this man disciplined.. not fired, not arrested- merely transferred to work in an all male prison.

 

I see the lives of so many women (and men) destroyed because of moral busy bodies like you. You want us punished because we are victims- and because we don't accept your moral values. And unfortunately, as long as these laws exist, I will never heal- because it makes me too angry to know the harm that occurs when people like you stick your head in the sand and ignore the police corruption that laws which can be arbitrarily and selectively enforced engender.

swop.nola
swop.nola

 @bmarvel  @normajeanalmodovar 

"Finally, judging from the tone of your comment, you've obviously been seriously hurt sometime in the past."\

 

Haven't we all been seriously hurt by someone in the past?  What are you insinuating here?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @bmarvel  @scottindallas it certainly doesn't.  And most likely, regular patrols, and neighborhood vigilance were as must responsible  (and maybe some lobbying from the Korean business community. )

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