Dallas Has Second Most EV Charging Stations. Electric Vehicles? Not so Much

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It seems that a lot of electric vehicle charging stations have been popping up in Dallas of late -- at gas stations, grocery stores, possibly soon at City Hall -- and now we know that yes, there are a lot.

Xatori, an app-maker, released a list yesterday of the cities with the most EV charging stations for every 100,000 residents. Portland, as you might assume, comes out on top, but No. 2 is something of a shocker: Dallas. A bit further down the list, coming in at No. 6, is Austin.

That's means Dallas is ready for the electric car boom. A glance at traffic is enough to tell it hasn't come yet. Maybe once there's an oil crisis and we develop technology to make the stations obsolete.

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matiur0001
matiur0001

Its really interesting task. Thanks for post.

aarond12a
aarond12a

I find it interesting that Dallas scores so high on public charging stations, yet I cannot buy a Ford Focus Electric anywhere in the Metroplex. The closest Ford dealership that does sell that model is over 150 miles away -- farther than the single-charge distance a Focus can travel. 

 

The Leaf is a great car, and after driving one, I want one! However, each model year is improving so quickly, I don't really want to buy yet. Nissan themselves said a newer, cheaper version of the Leaf is coming next year. 

 

Honda has no real plans to sell their Fit EV past the absolute minimum they need to do to comply with California's NEV regulations. They're selling 1,000 only? For $40K each? 

 

Chrysler is coming out with a Fiat 500 EV, but that model isn't released yet. Not to mention I'm not sure how many Texans would feel secure driving a "B"-class vehicle. The "C"-class Focus is about as small as many people feel comfortable driving.

dfwgreencars
dfwgreencars

It is amazing how many people actively hate the Volt.  I really can't comprehend it.  It is an awesome car.  It is inexpensive to own (My lease payments are $331 per month) and I don't have to buy gas. Which means it is cheaper to drive than most vehicles, despite the high sticker price.  It is safe, it is fast, it is quiet.   It's made in America, fueled in America.  What is to hate?  I really don't get why there are so many people who hate this car.  I bet 99% of them have never driven one or even seen one close up.  

 

The only people who SHOULD be hating this car are oil-companies and OPEC countries. As for the article.  Yes, Dallas, especially North Dallas, seems to have a lot of charging stations. I live in Ft.Worth and there are very few around here.  We have a Volt and a Leaf for our two family cars and we charge them at home 99.5% of the time.  There's just nowhere around here to plug in. 

oakclifftownie
oakclifftownie

How many believe that outlet set up is one idiot away from a lawsuit ?

 

 

 

 

EricNicholsonSucks
EricNicholsonSucks

Hey Libtard Eric, where do you think the electricity comes from?  Obama's stash?

pak152
pak152

'That's means Dallas is ready for the electric car boom. A glance at traffic is enough to tell it hasn't come yet."

and won't come for quite awhile when one looks at the sales figures for the Chevy Volt. consider this GM has an 84 day supply of the Volts in their inventory and they're barely selling

dfwgreencars
dfwgreencars

 @oakclifftownie - That photo isn't even an American charging station, nor is that car.  Most likely this photo was taken in another country.

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @oakclifftownie Probably the same type of person who thought gas pumps in 1915 were one idiot away from lawsuits.   Fear of lawsuits in this country is laughable, people will sue for anything -- we always just build the damn infrastructure without excuses and we'll deal with the retards as they come.

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @EricNicholsonSucks Troll-licious --  here's a reverse troll for you: Your comment sucks OPEC's c**k.   If you look at the thermodynamics and efficiency of burning gas vs electricity for commutes under 100miles a day, maybe you'd see that energy distribution vs "burning gas to move gas" (tankers, tanker trucks, etc) over a period of 15-30 years is a no-brainer.  But as your comment shows no-brain and fixating on Tea Party thoughts, no-brainer thoughts probably don't rock you daily I guess.    Anyway, plug-in EVs (that can do gas or all-electric) are catching on --  so go drive your SUV and stay away from blog comments - you annoy me.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @pak152 and the ones they did sell got recalled because they would randomly catch fire

pak152
pak152

 @kaiserpathos and that proves what? they still have an 80+ day inventory"General Motors Co. expects to sell more than 2,500 Volt cars in August making it the highest monthly rate for the" wow! 2500 cars! still too expensive

dfwgreencars
dfwgreencars

 @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 - What a moron.  Go google it and do some real fact finding before spouting nonsense like that.  This is the 21'st century - facts are at your fingertips if you are interested to see them.  If not, then keep spouting nonsense.

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 yee-haw 'cuz that's what FOX said.  All those poor people who already DIED in volt fires, let me remove my straw hat and enjoy a moment of silence (/no deaths from any Volt fires -- a 3 week crashed volt in a lab -- idiot).   I guess you like to sit 3 weeks in a crashed car.  Me?  I usually am well into a new car by then.  You're a special guy....   

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @pak152 apparently I'm not all that familiar with OPEC c*ck massager and anti-Obama Henry Payne who lives in Detroit.  I guess if you live in Detroit you're just all kinds smart about cars.  

Anybody who uses "MSM" and posts NRO a**holes like Henry Payne deserve the ignorance they've burdened themselves with.

 

BTW 7671 Volts in 2011, they're saying it will be double that for 2012.  So your 10000 Nissan Leaf BS gets kind of laughed at when you read this:  http://green.autoblog.com/2012/07/03/volt-sales-beat-leaf-for-fifth-straight-month/

pak152
pak152

 @kaiserpathos apparently you are not familiar with Henry Payne who lives and works in detroit and has followed the auto industry for years as a journalist. now what was incorrect in what i posted. as for what I post it is because they offer information counter to the MSM who report only that which supports what GM wants reported.

so between March and July (the two highest volume months for Volt sales) what happened did sales fall?

"even with the $7,500 rebate for each buyer, Chevy sold only 7,671 Volts in 2011, far below the target of 10,000 earlier touted by company officials. Last month Nissan made the 10,000th sale of its all-electric Leaf model. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/13/obama-hikes-subsidy-to-wealthy-electric-car-buyers/#ixzz253eFd1mB"

 

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @pak152 the production halt doesn't spur sales, the reduction-of-inventory from the slow-sales spurs production...it's kind a simple that I thought you would get it.Meanwhile, while you keep loving what Glenn Beck loves (Volts not selling) I absolutely guarantee with the drive-train being ported to Cadillac ELR and another car in the next two years, Volt is here to stay despite your un-American hate/wishing for it to not sell.  Tell me, why is it the Tea Party hates not only anything government-related, but also hates American-built things by American hands...and wants us in the middle-east and loving OPEC?  Are you guys really American Taliban??

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @pak152  @kaiserpathos Don't see how March (sic maybe I like Marsh) & April sales depleting inventory coincide with the production halt?  Allow me to illustrate: low sales, production should stop, increased sales, production may slowly ramp-up.   You make it sound like they stopped production permanent because these aren't selling...they ARE selling, just not in the number that GM would like.  That was my point -- no-spin here (oh and we know you know what "no-spin" means, as your "national review.com" &  "theconservativereader.com" links illustrate).Here's a link for you, detailing how March was their last biggest month of sales besides July --- right as they stopped production in Feb/March: http://green.autoblog.com/2012/08/30/gm-sold-2500-chevy-volts-august/ 

I find it amusing that most to the  anti-Volt links you seem to be able to find are all from conservative web sites.  Why is that?   That rhetorical, no need for you to even try to answer that one...I need to surf your given links see your thought "process" spelled-out...  

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @pak152  @kaiserpathos causing 2 month-long halts in production over a one year period, if you want to quibble over terms, can be construed as "tempering" the production lifecycle.  but, fine, if you want to call it "shutting down production...temporarily" that's fine, too.   but it's just arguing for argument's sake.

pak152
pak152

 @kaiserpathos "GM is doing the right thing and tempering production" really tempering production? no they are shutting down production. big difference

pak152
pak152

 @kaiserpathos cars like the Volt will always be a niche vehicle and a low to no profit item for GM the only reason why sales are what they are is because there is a $7500 credit and in some places like Southern California you can drive in the diamond lanes without any other passengers.

for the record sales month I would like to see what incentives were offered to get folks to buy the cars?

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @pak152 Fair point -- GM would rather them not being able to build the Volt fast enough to keep up with sales.  While some may relish in pointing that out and whining "because it's too expensive" -- GM is doing the right thing and tempering production and allowing the slow sales to occur over time while the manufacturing price falls, sales slowly occur, and EV adoption slowly marches on.   EVs will never be as mainstream as internal combustion engine cars -- they are a niche --that's a fact you can't argue with.  Electricity will never be as cheaply energy-dense as gas (even OPEC oil gas) --- yet EVs make total sense in certain scenarios AND the technology will become cheaper.  You can't un-do the foothold they will gain this decade, and the Volt -- while slow-selling to a Recession Public -- has the most range and can go all-electric and all-gas.  10,000+ Volt owners isn't as huge a base as, say, Chevy Cruze or a KIA ---- but when you compare to the Nissan Leaf and other EVs, it's huge sustaining sales.

pak152
pak152

 @kaiserpathos "plans to suspend production of its battery-powered Chevrolet Volt for 26 days as part of a move to pare excess inventory."  "The company has sold 10,666 of the about $40,000 vehicle year-to-date through the end of July,"

"At the end of last month, Chevrolet dealers had 6,450 Volts in stock, enough to last 84 days at the current rate of sales" and yes you were correct about the inventoryhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444327204577615821983505022.html

"General Motors will be shutting down production of the Chevrolet Volt at its Detroit-Hamtramck for more than a month to adjust for rising inventories of the plug-in hybrid vehicles." if demand for them is high then why shut down production? oh! I know because demand can't keep up with production that's why. GM would prefer the reverse ie that production couldn't keep up with demand.

http://www.egmcartech.com/2012/03/08/gm-to-put-a-halt-on-chevrolet-volt-production-for-5-weeks/

 

pak152
pak152

 @kaiserpathos if you keep spinning like this you'll get dizzy and throw up. stopping production in Marsh (sic) didn't increase demand. if I follow your "logic" then the shutting down of the line "from Sept. 17 until Oct. 15" will once more increase demand.

"the Volt’s 84-day inventory — above the industry average of 51 days (and far from the 10-day inventory of more popular luxury models in its price segment like the BMW X3) — helps to explain the production halt. Indeed, a spokesman for a Chevy dealer told Detroit’s Frank Beckmann Radio Show this morning that Volt sales were disappointing. “We always knew it would be a niche vehicle,” he said."

http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/315184/volt-economy-henry-paynethe inventory is what is sitting on the GM factory lots not at the dealerships

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @pak152 That "proves" they sold more than they anticipated, that sales are up 200% in some regions over last year, and their halting production to strategically allow inventory to move is working (they stopped production in Marsh '12 which created more demand for April/May -- March was their biggest sales record all year, from what I just read).    When you look at companies that slow/halt production to create/maintain adequate demand (Dell, Apple do this regularly as do other industries) it kind of makes sense.    And "80+" day inventory is a stat that assumes the sales rate will stay at 80-day, which it never does --- one dealership may sit at 80-day inventory and then when manufacturing stops the inventory transitions to 40-day and falls after that.   Watch the yearly stats, which GM is doing, and you'll see the 80-day thing is invented bullsh*t over the long-term.   Yes, they are expensive -- new technology is (nobody has a 40-50mile range EV that can do another 300miles on gas, nobody) and so it's pricey -- that will change over time.  The Cadillac ELR (built on Volt drive-train) will be only about 50K in 2013, super cheap for a 400mile plug-in EV.  The cheap-ness will come.  Not "Tea Party Voter" cheap, but sitll cheaper...

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin  @dfwgreencars  @pak152 so you're FINALLY adding the crash part, that's progress since your earlier comment that started all this said they "randomly catch fire".   You painted the Volt (and conveniently for pak152 and other Glenn Beck acolytes, I may add) like it's a FUCKING PINTO!!  

I'm glad that you're not bashing the car or technology.  It's decent, and it's American.   My only issue with you, wayyyy back there comment sounded like Tea Party talking points of Volts randomly firing up and getting recalled.  It just wasn't true.

And for any others in here, let's just be 100% clear:  Volts in specific style of crash test experienced small thermal events THREE FUCKING WEEKS LATER AS THE CHEMICAL DEGRADATION OF LITHIUM ION TOOK PLACE!!!     How in the hell is someone truely, practically, endangered by that?  If anything, the slow breakdown towards a fire occurrence is a testament to some design of safety in the battery.  

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @dfwgreencars  @pak152 Fact, 3 Volts caught fire after being in crashes.  Lets just ignore that like we did with the cop cars blowing up when getting rear ended.  God damn, Im not bashing the car or the technology FUCK

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin  @WimpyObserver  @pak152 I would like to publicly state here and now that ScottsMerkin has been upgraded status of "reasoned", is now cool and thoughtful, and is thus no longer viewed as in the d*ck-eating category.   pak152 will have to eat all of the d*cks set aside for him, of which we have a bag saved.  in some views pak152 is a very lucky guy.  ;)

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @kaiserpathos  @RTGolden  @pak152 Ive seen 2 Volts actually on the road in my driving 30 everyday to and from work.  When they make a Volt or EV that is in the mid size market, ala my Honda Accord that cost what my accord does, then I will gladly partake in purchasing one

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @RTGolden  @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 No recall.  I see nothing on those sites you post about any kind of recall.   

That's pretty funny about XM radio not picking up FOX in Volts.  You know, that's kind of like conservative brain-washees being told to suck a bag of dicks in forums where they spread mis-information -- it's just hilarious!

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @kaiserpathos  @WimpyObserver  @pak152 Ive come to the conclusion that I mad an outlandish claim, I will not however say that I got it from fox news.  I really thought I saw a story on yahoo about them randomly ctching fire at home.  Fuck me.  For the record, Ive read at least 2 test models have caught fire possibly three.

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @kaiserpathos  @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 Actually a quick google search shows articles from huffpo, cnn, carconnection, yahoo and, yes, FOX, all dealing with the recall for the fire issue.

 

Interesting sidenote: Motortrend has an article headlining that the Volt is being recalled because the XM radio isn't picking up FOX radio?

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin  @WimpyObserver  @pak152  point taken, I think we've found something we can agree on -- telling someone to suck a bag of dicks vs actually eating a dick is far punchier.   this may just serve as something we can build on as a path to help in your EV enlightenment.  now just agree that Volts don't randomly catch fire beyond a 3-week old crash tested model, and we just might be officially truced here.   - lol

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @kaiserpathos  @WimpyObserver  @pak152 now that we are on talking terms, dont mind if I tell you that your really shouldnt say it a dick, I think suck a bag of dicks packs far more punch.  SO, suck a bag of dicks

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @WimpyObserver  @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 Maybe I was writing DOCK and just using the asterisk for that.  Eat A DOCK!   

Nah, it was eat a DICK.  I was really telling pak152 & ScottsMerkin to eat a dick.   Busted by Internet Tough Guy WimpyObserver. ;)

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @WimpyObserver   LOL -- your reply is awesome sauce.  I don't identify as a "progressive" -- but some of my best friends are from the middle east -- I just think their corrupt govts don't need any more American money or blood just to keep our oil addiction going.  If EVs are methadone for that goal, I'm all for it.   

WimpyObserver
WimpyObserver

 @kaiserpathos  @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 "but at least with coal you're not enriching OPEC and shifting America's wealth to the middle east"  RACIST!!!  RACIST!!! RACIST!!!  That's not very "progressive" of you!

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 for the amount it takes to charge an EV (approx $45-60 a month in electricity use) depending on your power plant and sources, yes you'd be "burning coal" -- but you're burning it at one single concentrated site, while the car itself spends its electric range burning nothing.  To boot, to burn coal we don't have to send troops to "die for our freedom" stabilize the oil-flow (and "spread freedom", sorry I forgot about that part).   So, in many ways, coal is cheaper even if it's not really "cleaner".   

I could give less than 2-sh*ts about being green, though, as the people I know who drive Volts burn maybe 5 gallons of gas in 6-months, and a Tesla owner I've met has yet to see an EV car fire. 

As I've said in a post below, these cars are a niche and we'll never be rid of gas cars (they just make too much sense for a Frisco/Dallas commute, etc) but what the hell us wrong with a SAFE plug-in/gas EV car??  Why the hell do so many "conservatives" have a hard-on to discredit an AMERICAN progression in technology that nobody else has duplicated (Toyota's "Plug-in" gets 15miles on EV, it downright sucks compared to Volt).   I'll tell you why people hate on the Volt, they think Obama built it and they ignore this newsflash: Bush signed the  $7500 EV credits into law long before Obama showed up.  The Volt was demo'ed and displayed at car shows a full 3 YEARS before the Tea Party's most hated Black Man showed up in the Whitehouse.   It went into limited production just after.  So Volt hate just makes ZERO sense to a thinking individual.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @kaiserpathos  @pak152 sweet, and I totally agreethat while it takes coal to make electricity, at least im not burning coal/gas when driving down the road in an EV

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin  @kaiserpathos  @pak152 Yep, energy is dirty either way -- but at least with coal you're not enriching OPEC and shifting America's wealth to the middle east (we already have wars to do that...good times).    So, while your argument of "well...uh...it's not GREEN" does in fact hold validation here, I'd much rather use American power if I drove an EV or Plug-in EV.    Hey, I'm not going to end this reply with you eating anything...I think we're making progress!!

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @kaiserpathos why woudl I want you banned?  I could give 2 shits about that.  I enjoy reading diarrhea of the mouth 

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @kaiserpathos  @pak152 as our favorite troll around here likes to say...."How do you think electricity is made...duh from all that coal you want us off of"  

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @pak152  @ScottsMerkin  D*ck is a delicacy belonging to people who repeat puppet talking points about anti-EV propaganda in Internet forums.  It's a special treat for people who fellate OPEC.   Enjoy! 

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin   Awwww --- lookit that: he wants to see me banned because his non-factual argument was owned and knocked down.  Awww.   Poor ScottsMerkin.   

Oh, and it's D*CK, D*CK, D*CK.   Your comments are actually more offensive then mine.  ;)

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 "in production" --- in production -- sold and on the road?  I don't see anything validating that statement.  I just see more d*ck eating misinformation from you.   ;)   

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 so you spread misinformation and when you can't hang with it and validate it, you fixate on the method of the medicine given to to educate you: the all-powerful d*ck bomb.  Well, next time you pass on info from propaganda (oh, again, all those innocent burned Volt victims you implied exist from "random fires")  maybe getting told to eat a d*ck will be withheld.  Either way, when you spend yer time putting out misinformed comments about fires on on one of 26 EV models out there, and that model is an AMERICAN car --- well, you will tend to p*ss people off.   Well, everyone except OPEC.   They have a d*ck for you to eat.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @kaiserpathos  @pak152 Did the car catch fire, yep.  as well as cars that were in production.  did you design this vehicle, you act like someone is trashing your work.  take a Xanax and chill

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @pak152  @ScottsMerkin I'm still looking for the "randomly catching fire...." comment that paints the Volt as catching fire all over the country and injuring people --- the implication of his first-comment.  I'm having real trouble seeing that, so while you're fixating on this not coming from FOX -- why don't you go find me a citation of one injured person or one Volt catching fire on the road.  Go find it, and while you're endlessly searching -- join your buddy and eat a d*ck.

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @kaiserpathos  @pak152 well well, way start off on the right foot. eat a dick huh?  well if I was so inclined to roll that way i might, and im sure there are a few commenters here who do.  but why do we try to place nice before we start throwing dick bombs at the group.  thanks

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin   "randomly catch fire" -- a wreck in a lab, after 3 weeks --- no recall.  Voluntary battery re-enforcement is what I see in the news.   But, then again, I read for comprehension.   Not sure what you're reading.  Hopefully eating a d*ck.

kaiserpathos
kaiserpathos

 @ScottsMerkin  @pak152 Bring yer citation, go Google it -- while you do that, you'll see that the trending anti-Volt articles are pretty much FOX.  I have yet to see a news story showing they "got recalled because they would randomly catch fire" as your comment states above.   And just so you're not confused, I did write in both sarcasm and complete lack of regard for thoughtless commentary from idiots.  Just so, you know, we're clear -- eat a d*ck.  

ScottsMerkin
ScottsMerkin topcommenter

 @kaiserpathos  @pak152 Im confused, I cant tell if what you wrote is sarcasm.  FOX, what do they have to do with this?  CBS ABC NBC they all carried the story.  In fact yahoo had it on it front page

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