Live Twitter Chat with Rep. Dan Patrick About Women's Health Quickly Got Hilariously Hostile

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Texas Monthly editor Mimi Swartz wrote a great cover story this month about the disastrous year in women's health, a subject we've mentioned a few times here ourselves.

This morning, Swartz invited Rep. Dan Patrick of Houston for a live Twitter chat about the legislative changes surrounding women's health and family planning in the state, under the hashtag #txhealth.

Patrick authored the bill requiring women be shown a sonogram and listen to a fetal heartbeat (whether they want to or not). When Governor Perry signed that bill into law, Patrick was there, and he had lots of entertaining things to say, including, "The good news is through the blood of Jesus Christ he forgives, and women who have aborted children need to know that message ... I believe this can be the beginning of the end of 75,000 abortions we have every year in Texas."

So everybody just had to know how letting the Internet at him was going to end up, right?

The conversation lasted only about 35 minutes,and mostly consisted of a shower of questions from both Swartz and various random Twitter-ers: Is he really claiming that women were denied the opportunity to see sonograms, if they so chose, before his bill? If Patrick is that concerned about women being "well-informed," why hasn't he pushed for comprehensive sex ed programs alongside all that transvaginal probing? Hey, how much will all those cuts to family planning cost the state, do we think? ($28 million or so, thanks for asking! Not including the $39 milion the state will need to find to create a new, Planned Parenthood-free Women's Health Program.)

On the other side, pro-life activists also chimed in en masse, thanking Patrick for helping to take money away from Planned Parenthood, chatting about ending "that horror," (abortion), and, for some reason, accusing the chat of suffering from "Leftist censorship":

You may have missed out on this round of arguing, but don't fear: Swartz will lead another live chat Thursday morning, this one with Democratic Rep. Donna Howard.

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Myrna.Minkoff-Katz
Myrna.Minkoff-Katz topcommenter

The "right to life" mob just drools over public executions.

bifftannen
bifftannen

Jesus performs more abortions per year than any amount of humans could.

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Any comment on Swartz' assertion that Planned Parenthood does not conduct abortions?

 

NEWSFLASH - Planned Parenthood of Illinois offered condolences Sunday to the family of a 24-year-old Chicago woman who died after having an abortion at one of its clinics.

 

http://tinyurl.com/cbbxza3

 

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

Again, what did Jesus say about Abortion, or gay marriage? 

 

Nothing that was memorable enough to be recorded.

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @holmantx Couple of things:  Planned Parenthood never has claimed they don't do abortions.  They state, correctly, that their women's health clinics and their abortion clinics are separate legal entities, with their own funding and expenditure accounts.  The women's health clinics do not perform abortions, but provide preventative care and routing health care to women.

 

Another thing, your statement is misleading.  The story you link to states the woman died after having an abortion, but states clearly it is not known how long after the abortion.  The Pregnancy and the abortion are listed as contributing factors in her death.  We don't know if she died from the abortion, from the pregnancy, or from some condition the necessitated the abortion.  Basically we don't know shit.

Daniel
Daniel

In fairness, not all anti-choicers are against abortion on religious grounds. Some of them are just terrified of women's hoo-ha's, full stop. 

Anna_Merlan
Anna_Merlan

 @Daniel I must be really tired, because the word hoo-ha made me spit bubble tea from my nose. I'm a professional. 

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @holmantx Komen's share of giving to charity is deplorable.   Nancy makes far too much off that.   Komen isn't a charity, it's a marketing tool.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @holmantx  @A-nony-mouse  @RTGolden

 "hokey shells"? wtf are you talking about?

 

2 seperate and distinct operations. both with their own structures, and finances, pretty easy to grasp it would seem...

 

If you want to take the position that the state should not provide any healthcare services to those who cannot afford it, fine. althought that flies in the face of the facts and logic (preventive and early care costs less).

 

this is how things work in a society where healthcare is operated as a "for profit" enterprise.

 

but if you want to be one of those who are in the "let them suffer, who cares" group, sobeit.

 

but at least be honest about it...

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @mavdog  @A-nony-mouse  @RTGolden No sale.  

 

We don't let people evade taxes by setting up hokey shells and the states aren't going to allow an organization to grab tax revenues not authorized by the people with the same tactics.

 

Besides we're broke.  So broke in fact we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar to pay for this idiocy (and a thousand other unkind cuts) and have been for the past 30 years.  All to perpetuate more of the same bad behavior.  Well, we have arrived.  We now have million people literally too stupid for their shoes.  80,000,000 Leslies.  Cradle to gravers.

 

The private sector has so much debt now stacked in front of it, we're stuck in stasis.  For taxing wealth and income yet to be created means it won't be (created).  Because all this debt stacked on debt is nothing more than a claim on future labor, and no one wants to work ever more hours each day and not receive the direct benefit of that labor.  The well, is not bottomless.  The mule has lain down at the yoke.  The wagon is too heavy and everyone except the elderly, the afflicted and the minors have got to get their fat asses out.

 

So no matter who's in charge, until all this is reversed nothing gets bailed out, redistributed, helped, saved, nourished or stimulated.  

 

All because you just could not stop tapping into future wealth and income to pay for the next stupid social program you suddenly could not do without.

 

It's all coming down, one way or another.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @holmantx  @A-nony-mouse  @RTGolden

 Komen was "drug through the fire", and drug btw by those who had supported komen, because Komen lost focus of its mission.

 

Komen decided to stop providing support to Planned Parenthood clinics that served women getting preventive breast cancer care that included breast exams and pap smears.

 

these services are some of the most effective front line early detection actions that dramatically increase the women's odds of surviving cacncer should they be afflicted.

 

The protestors correctly pointed out that the relationship between Komen and Planned Parenthood was very much aligned with each group's core mission.

 

The decision by Komen to stop the funding to Planned Parenthood contradicted Komen's stated mission, and that is why Komen was "drug through the fire".

 

The "fire" was self afflicted and the people that had supported Komen previously let them know of their disappointment. Komen realized the absurdity of their decision and its negative affect on both its contributors and the patients, and corrected its decision.

 

How anyone would object to the contributors voicing their diapproval, and of komen realizing the absurdity of their decision, is beyond reason.

mavdog
mavdog topcommenter

 @holmantx"allocating money to Planned Parenthood for the provision of other medical services "frees up" funds to be re-allocated for abortion"

 

that comment is not only inane, it insults the reader's intelligence.

 

does anyone, at least anyone who has a functioning brain, believe that any organization can provide services at zero cost?

 

the indisputable fact is that Planned Psrenthood DOES provide many healthcare services to people. These services are done at a cost. Many of these healthcare services are provided to patients at no cost to the patient due to the economic situation of the patient. These costs are paid by donations to Planned Parenthood and also government payments thru medicare and others. Planned parenthood is reimbursed for their expenses of providing these healthcare services.

 

If Planned Parenthood is not compensated for their costs of providing these healthcare services, Planned parenthood cannot provide these services, and in all probability the patient will not get the healthcare services they need. 

 

As these healthcare programs are seperate and in no way have the funds commingled with these other Planned Parenthood subsidiaries that provide abortions, the efforts to stop the funding for the healthcare services does nothing but deny these services to the patients that need them.

 

Frankly, only an idiot would think that by stopping the funding of preganancy prevention services such as contraception and sex education, which Planned Parenthood does well and does more of than any other organization in our country, there would be a positive affect of reducing abortions.

 

tell us, are you an idiot?

 

 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @A-nony-mouse  @RTGolden In the fiscal year ending June 30, 2010, PP total revenue was $1.05 billion: clinic revenue totaling $320 million, government grants and reimbursements of $487 million, private contributions and bequests of $224 million, and other revenues $17 million.  Planned Parenthood receives about a third of its money in government grants and contracts (about $360 million in 2009).

By law, federal funding cannot be allocated for abortions, but allocating money to Planned Parenthood for the provision of other medical services "frees up" funds to be re-allocated for abortion. ("Planned Parenthood Financing Is Caught in Budget Feud". New York Times.& "House votes to block funds to Planned Parenthood". The Arizona Republic.).

So the states are cutting PP off and you think that's unfair yet:

In the 2009-2010 fiscal year, ending March 31, 2010, Komen reported approximately US $400 million in earnings. Of this, $365 million (91.3 percent) came from contributions from the public, including donations, sponsorships, race entry fees, and contributed goods and services. Approximately $35 million (8.8 percent) came from interest and dividends and gains on investments.

And the pro-abortion crowd actedlike morons, smearing a great but small private organization for not ponying up to the big, fat bloated bitch on welfare who shouldn't even be on it in the first place.

That about cover it?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

 @A-nony-mouse  @RTGolden So the taxpayer funds the part that can't perform abortions so the entity that does can operate at a loss.  That about right?

 

And this is the one that drug Komen through the fire for having the audacity to shift its tithing despite Planned Parenthoods' combined public/private income stream DWARFS tiny Komen's, private donations-only purse.  Have you seen the numbers disparity?  Do you care? Of course not.

 

After all, Komen had to be taught a lesson.  Why, that could become contagious.  What if the American taxpayer got it in their heads that their tax revenues were being used to fund abortions through shell companies.  

 

Nuance is lost on the Great Unwashed, right?

A-nony-mouse
A-nony-mouse

 @holmantx  @RTGolden  It's a important distinction. Not one penny of Federal or Texas tax payer money goes to fund abortions. By removing funding to the Planned Parenthood clinics that don't preform abortion, Texas does nothing to actually stop abortions (since abortion clinics aren't funded by that money anyway) and it may actually lead to more abortions as poor women lose access to no or low cost contraceptives.

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