Colorado Shooting Shows Again How the NRA Plays us for Patsies

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You're kidding me, right? We just sit here like patsies and let the gun nuts tell us we're not allowed to protect ourselves from the next James Holmes?

We know there will be a next one, because we know there was a Jared Lee Loughner,  a George "Jo Jo" Pierre Hennard, a Mark David Chapman, a John W. Hinckley Jr., a Sarah Jane Moore, a Lynette Fromme, a Lee Harvey Oswald, a Charles Guiteau.

It comes around on a regular cycle, like a bell tolling. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, unless you're a moron. You know damned well for whom it tolls. For you, for me, for our loved ones next time we dare go to a movie, eat in a restaurant, or, God forbid, exercise any kind of public leadership or carry out any sort of public performance.

They're nuts. Crazy. Deranged. It doesn't matter what kind of fake-political jibber-jabber does or does not come out of their mouths. If it were politically correct for psychiatrists to make the little round-and-round sign with their fingers next to their temples, they would all make the little round-and-round sign after hearing about four sentences from the mouths of any of these people.

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James Holmes: We'll see his like again. And again.
We all get the problem. The guy in Colorado is going to turn out to be another one-off homicidal crazy case. And we all know that no kind of government or police agency can know ahead of time when one of these guys is going to develop like an ugly cyst somewhere on the body politic.

Our various levels of government can barely protect us from people with dodgy passports who take flying lessons and make inquiries about purchasing large amounts of fertilizer. We can barely protect ourselves from people who try to light their shoes on fire on airplanes.

There is not one damned thing anybody can do to single out ahead of time the lone grad student locked in the privacy of his room going slowly mad, plunging deeper and deeper into reveries of blood.

The way you catch him is when, like Holmes, he orders an arsenal of guns, ammo and body armor over the Internet in a two-month period. That's a red flag. That we can see.

But the gun-nut lobby tells us we're not allowed to notice, not allowed to keep track, not allowed to devise a system that will set off some alarm bells when the crazy grad student starts ordering huge amounts of ammo. We have to look the other way when he starts building an arsenal big enough to take down a small nation.

Why? Why are we not allowed to protect ourselves from this kind of atrocity? Don't give me that constitutional bullshit. OK, so the Constitution says we have the right to bear arms. So everybody go ahead and bear arms. I do.

But what is the reason for forbidding law enforcement from keeping tabs on people who are building up nutcase arsenals? Hey, I think we all know the answer to that one too.

Some people, the National Rifle Association in particular, preach this line that we need to be able to stockpile assault weapons in case we decide to overthrow our own government. The government is not allowed to protect us from nutcase arsenals, because it's not allowed to protect itself.

The NRA loves arsenals. Here's a quote from a recent NRA press release: "The National Rifle Association and Arsenal, Inc. announced today the launch of a new commemorative Jubilee Series AK-74 Kalashnikov rifle developed by Arsenal, Inc. A portion of the proceeds from the sale of these rifles will be donated to the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) and the Kalashnikov Foundation."

And what is the argument in favor? It's all this twisted paranoid criminal-mentality crap about how we all need to have our own arsenals in case the Obama socialists try to load us on trains and take us to work camps. They deliberately ignore the fact that Obama has been the best friend gun-owners ever had.

They need the paranoia. They fan the fear. Who knows what the ultimate goal is really? I could suggest they're getting paid off by the guns and ammo makers, but that assumption has to be too simple. We should give the gun and ammo makers more credit. They're American citizens too. They can't think it's worth a Colorado movie massacre every few years to amp up sales.

No, I think the whole gun-nut theme in American culture is darker than mere financial self-interest, closer to evil itself. The people who run the NRA are a lot closer to James Holmes in the way they think than they are to anybody else.

On the other hand, evil is always with us. But what do you say about a people who won't or can't defend themselves against it? That's what we should really be thinking about. What stops us from putting a stop to this?

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simply_roshka
simply_roshka

OK here's the deal, this yet another episode of government sponsored terror attacks at home. Yes, you heard me right, OUR own government has attacked us again. The same people who brought us 9/11 now bring us Aurora, CO.

JanePhillips
JanePhillips

We need more guns in the hands of good people.

danno792
danno792

Obviously, many sheeple would rather only the criminals have guns. "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms  is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Jared Loughner and James Holmes are the POSTER BOYS for the NRA's mythical

"LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS" ...

 

... right up to the moment they pulled the trigger!

 

200,000,000 Guns in the U$A is NOT ENOUGH! -- America Needs MORE GUNS !!

 

 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Off Topic but NEWSFLASH - Planned Parenthood of Illinois offered condolences Sunday to the family of a 24-year-old Chicago woman who died after having an abortion at one of its clinics.

 

http://tinyurl.com/cbbxza3

 

I thought PP did not perform abortions since they are taxpayer-funded?

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

“We need to take steps that protect Second Amendment rights of the American people but that ensure that we are not allowing weapons into the hands of individuals who should not, by existing law, obtain those weapons,” Jay Carney said as the president flew to Colorado to visit with families of many of the victims of Friday’s Batman-movie melee. “The president’s view is that we can take steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them under existing law. And that’s his focus right now.”

 

Romney told the NRA essentially the same thing as what the president’s spokesman said yesterday: “We need a president who will enforce current laws, not create new ones that only serve to burden lawful gun owners.”

 

Further Gun control is DOA.

1morereason2carry
1morereason2carry

Humans have been killing each other since there were humans and chimpanzees were killing each other before that.

 

Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, The Roman Empire etc etc... didn't need firearms to massacre people so why do you think any kind of gun control will be effective at all? 

 

Why is it that liberals brains just shut off when it comes to this subject? They scream about legalizing drugs and the drug war constantly but then try and tell people they can't defend themselves... 

holmantx
holmantx topcommenter

Fortunately, this happens so infrequently news media cycles endlessly, regarding every aspect of the killer, his mentality, his upbringing, and activists use the freak to further social and political arguments of all kinds.

 

Seventy-two Iraqis were killed by a suicide bomber yesterday.  A record for this year but who cares what the bomber's name was, or what kind of dog he had?

 

And because it is so rare that these dopes commit to mass killings in this country, it is reason enough why the great majority of Americans are not yet willing to further sacrifice basic liberties and individual freedoms upon the alter of safety.

 

So as George Jones is want to sing, "I ain't . . . ready yet".

 

Besides, how can we kick government's ass if we aren't armed to the teeth?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

I was opposed to the concealed carry law pushed and passed by Bush.   I've admitted that it didn't result in a bunch of yahoos shooting people.   I was really no big deal.   I'm not  a gun guy, but have a few friends who are.   I don't totally get it, but they don't really care about Rugby, so I guess we're even.   I'm glad they have guns, even though one gets unhinged from time to time. 

 

The unhinged one's parents has bullets in candy dishes, and got in trouble for shooting the bible in the fireplace with a gun ("next time use the phone book son")   And, we had a lot of fun shooting that little single shot 22 pistol into the deserted desert Chisos Mountains from his convertible Catalina.  He was driving while sitting atop the back of the seat shooting off that gun. 

 

I do think there's some merit to criminals wondering is a mark is packing.   I do think there's reason to believe that if others were packing in the theatre it would've been better.   Actually, your argument might as well oppose body armor, as that would be the most (small d) democratic solution.   I also fear mobs.  But, I don't see that automatic weapons (a false distinction) are particularly common or pernicious.  

 

What I can't understand is why the NRA crowd opposed Iran having nukes.

SchutzeShotgun
SchutzeShotgun

It is funny that Schutze poses with a shotgun for his column and then produces a screed like this  column.  So control the guns and the next mass murderer will use samuri swords, bombs, acid, or clubs.  Then after those are banned, the only thing we will have to defend ourselves with will be rolled up copies of the Dallas Observer, swung wildly in hopes that one of Jimbos columns will bore the assailant to death.

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

uh....this killing spree is NOT about guns at all.  Anymore than the LA Freeway is about automobile accident deaths.

 

if banning stuff would prevent folks from using or getting stuff illegally, then prohibition, drug wars, prescription drug monitoring, Drug manufacturing and selling, and DUI and Overdosed movie stars would not pose issues.

 

WHEN has legislation or laws or banning anything MANAGED the object....merely made folks try something else, or get something on a black market, or find a way around a bunch of shriveled up judges and sheriffs.

 

get real here....Aurora is not a gun issue....it is a sociopath issue....and if we want to fix than, well, first round up all the homeless folks we turned out of the jails to make room for all the drug possession offenders and hookers...you know, the really dangerous folks...not the CRAZIES standing on street corners babbling and ranting.

 

The NRA has done a GREAT job of preventing liberal nutcase treehugging tennis shoe wearing ponytailed bearded ear studdied, tattooed tofu eaters from funding more snail darter protection and less rational gun issues....NRA promotes SAFETY with weapons....those that manufacture huge ammo clips and etc are the problem....NOT THE GUNS....

 

wake up, drink coffee, get real.

Russp
Russp

A person determined to do harm will find the tools he needs, whether Timothy McVie with diesel fuel and fertilizer or the 9/11 terrorists who started with just a few box knives (if the government story is to be believed). You'd have to outlaw everything but Nerf footballs and mashed potatoes to have a perfectly safe world.

jerikjonsson
jerikjonsson

Yep, let's have a national system to monitor gun purchases that has to keep track of <i>and actively analyze</i> millions upon millions of transactions for the purpose of <i>maybe</i> rooting out the occasional crazy.  The State Department was supposed to be monitoring Saudi nationals after 1993.  They had a whole database and registration and everything.

 

JS, want to guess how many deaths from shooting spree your idea, assuming any law enforcement agency in the world could actually operate it, would have prevented in the US over the last 100 years?  Maybe 200.  Maybe.  That's a significantly smaller threat to American lives than high school football.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @danno792 

 

Did Tommy Jefferson allow his NEGRO SLAVES to own firearms while he was using, abusing and raping them ?

 

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rufuslevin
rufuslevin

 @holmantx Romney...stop Fast and Furious stuff, return to version of assault rifle ban or controls, do rational leadership at government level...do not try to manage the nation's Mental Health Patients at the Retail Sales level.

 

Obama...call in Homeland Security and make all gun shops pay for having a TSA psychiatrist interview all potential gun purchasers at their stores or face a prison sentence and huge fine for selling guns.  Subject no one to any ID or DATA BASE evaluations in order to buy anything, but make sure that Russia and China do not stop selling weapons onto the open world market so that they can get smuggled into the USA over the open borders, and the

Chicago mob make a fortune running the weapons black market in the USA...Obama get billions given to him when he and his brood exit the USA for a Marxist nation overseas...

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

 @SchutzeShotgun WHAT WOULD JOHN WILEY PRICE USE????

GAVEL? BULLHORN? FIST? BAG OF MONEY? BENTLEY? BAD BREATH?

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

 @rufus levin Do you or do you not understand that your argument here is an argument against the ruleof law, against order, against decency, against civilization. We make murder against the law not because we think making it against the law will end all murder but as a statement of what we as a society think of murder and murderers. We need to pass laws that state what we think of people who stockpile the tools of mass extermination.

TexOHara
TexOHara

 @Russp I bet McGyver could've made a weapon out of Nerf footballs and mashed potatoes.

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

So where do you stand on chemical weapons?

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @Russp They used utility knives, though I've owned a few of the specific brand the name escapes me right now.   They are the multitools with pliers.  The box cutters was some throw away line.   The hearings revealed the utility knives were used.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @jerikjonsson 8700 people were killed by guns last year.  I don't know how many of those could be prevented, but it's a lot of people.  I wouldn't begrudge the right for someone to kill themselves, and doubt we could stop those gun deaths.  I don't support gun prohibition, but that's a mighty large figure it seems.  What bothers me more is seeing a bunch of cops standing around some disoriented person and they taze him rather than grabbing and containing the perp.

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

 @jerikjonsson AND LET'S NAME THAT SYSTEM "FAST AND FURIOUS" AND LET IT BE MANAGED BY AMTRAK, THE USPS, FANNIE MAE, AND HOMELAND SECURITY AS A JOINT TASK FORCE REPORTING DIRECTLY TO THE PRESIDENT.

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @jerikjonsson Curious as to where you're getting those numbers.  Not debating them, mind you, just curious as to where they're coming from.

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @scottindallas  @rufus levin Canada's gun laws use  a similar distinction.  Firearms (long guns, sporting arms) are relatively simple to purchase and own.  "Weapons" (assault arms, most handguns) are defined on a restricted list, and are highly difficult to obtain.  It's really not a bad system when one researches it a bit.

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

 @scottindallas WELL...OBAMA DEMANDS THAT "WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES"......HE ALSO CONFUSES TAXES AND PENALTIES.

 

AND ERIK HOLDER IS ADAMANT THAT NO ONE KNOWS NUTHIN ABOUT NO FAST AND FURIOUS GUNS.....UH, FIREARMS, UH..STUFF.

TexOHara
TexOHara

 @JimSXWe do, to some extent; the provisions of the PATRIOT Act that address domestic terrorism.

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @JimSX  @rufus levin Right.  We can throw all the Farmers in jail for stockpiling the ingredients needed to make OKC-style bombs.  Throw all the moms in the country in jail for storing the means to make chemical weapons.  There are many 'tools' that can be used to kill people Jim.  Banning them, or outlawing them, has never kept people bent on killing others from doing so.

 

A guy driving a truck in south texas wrecked and killed 14 people, injured 23.  Should we outlaw motor vehicles because of that?  I know you're going to claim that it is two different situations, and on one hand you're right.  The driver probably didn't have the intent to kill his victims.  I'm sure that is small comfort to them and their families.

 

You want to try to eliminate or reduce the effects of a HUMAN behavioral problem by banning a tool used in that behavior.  It's the gun's fault, not the person?  A gun has never, not ever in recorded history, of it's own volition, with hostile intent, gone and killed a person.  People have used guns to kill other people.  They've also used Axes, knives, spears, swords, bow/arrow, baseball bats, hammers, other hand tools, even water.  WATER, Jim, people have been forcefully drowned in WATER.  Forget trying to save the Trinity River.  What we need to do is fill that bitch in, and ban the water from ever coming back through Dallas.  Drowning Kills about 6,000 people per year, according to the USACE, and statistics show that 2/3 of the people who drown had no intention of going in the water. (By the way, people who drown in floods aren't counted in the drowning totals, but as flood victims).  We obviously have to do everything we possibly can to rid the world of water.  It's just too dangerous.

rufuslevin
rufuslevin

 @JimSX DO YOU or do you not understand that MY argument is about reality, not about sociology.  The NRA is legal, guns are legal, people who own them are rarely sociopaths or murderers.  Murder, is illegal....but if you want to discuss SOCIETY, you better be prepared to discuss WHICH society and WHAT culture it is under and WHAT laws are used to manage the citizens's behavior.

 

Frankly, I would love to explain this, but it is always a total waste of good time to attempt to influence the mindless blather of ideologs with no clue about the rest of the world.

 

Your concept of DECENCY came from White Western European religious doctrines and precepts.....not so much from Asian, Middle Eastern, African, or non-colonial nation states .....

 

We should pass laws forcing people without a clue to go back to school and THIS time LEARN before they PREACH to others maybe.

scottindallas
scottindallas topcommenter

 @JimSX good point, let's ban vinegar and bleach. 

 

By the way Jim, do you know how many people were killed during WW1 by chemical weapons?  1 person per ton. 

jerikjonsson
jerikjonsson

 @JimSX Like mace?  Arsenic?  Cyanoacrylate?  Ammonia gas?  Chlorine?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 @RTGolden 

 

Reading Comprehension = Fail!

 

A gun owner is "law abiding" right up to the moment they decide to break the law, or pull the trigger, as in the cases of Jared Laughner and James Holmes for example.

 

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @DonkeyHotay Mere ownership of a gun grants me a higher propensity to perform criminal acts?  Studies, facts, figures, anything to support such a wild supposition?

 

By the way, owning a gun does not Ipso facto (which correlates to 'in and of itself) make one a criminal. It is legal to own a firearm.

 

Your supposition is invalid, your conclusion shows either a lack of knowledge of the law or lack of knowledge of Latin.  Care to keep trying, that hole you're in can get deeper still....

RTGolden
RTGolden

 @rufus levin  @JimSX Not to be preachy or anything, but the White Western European ethics and values and thoughts on decency came from the ramblings of a pretty much homeless bunch of ragamuffins wandering around Palestine pestering the Romans.  It's commonly referred to as the Judeo-Christian ethic, and it's a Middle Eastern Thing!

You ready to go back to school and learn before you preach? Maybe?

JimSX
JimSX topcommenter

 @rufus levin Oh, surprise, surprise. You're a wacked out gun nut, and you also happen to be a racist xenophobe. The rest of us can't help noticing that you gun nuts always also turn out to be stupid bigots. I'm osrry, but it does effect our opinon of you onthe gun issue.  

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