John Husband, 21, Was Shot in the Back by Dallas Police in Oak Cliff Over the Weekend

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John Husband, 21, was allegedly carrying a gun when police shot him in the back.

Update at 2:36 p.m.:Police have posted a more detailed account of the shooting on their Facebook page:

On June 2, 2012 John Robert Husband, 02/12/1991, was observed by Dallas Police Officer Leland Limbaugh #10051 driving into the Spring Ridge Apartments at 3600 Folklore Trail without signaling his intent to turn. Two occupants were in the vehicle with suspect Husband. Officer Limbaugh conducted a traffic stop and as he approached, he smelled the odor of marijuana coming from the car. When asked if there were guns or weapons in the vehicle, suspect Husband replied there were not. Officer Limbaugh requested suspect Husband step out of the vehicle. It was the officer's intent to pat down suspect Husband to check for weapons. As suspect Husband stepped out of the vehicle and was turning his back to the officer to be patted down, Officer Limbaugh observed the handle of a handgun in Husband's waistband. Officer Limbaugh grabbed suspect Husband's hands, attempted to place them behind his back and told Husband not to grab for the gun. Suspect Husband ignored the officer's commands and began to struggle with the officer, eventually freeing his right hand and reached for the gun in his waistband. Officer Limbaugh, fearing for his life, fired one shot with his left hand that struck suspect Husband near the left shoulder blade. Suspect Husband staggered and fell to the ground and the officer then took the suspect's weapon, a fully loaded .40 caliber handgun, and placed it on the hood of the police vehicle while waiting for backup officers to arrive. When the backup officers arrived, the two additional occupants of the suspect vehicle were removed and suspect Husband was handcuffed.

Suspect Husband was transported to Methodist Hospital where he was pronounced deceased. The handgun he had in his possession had been reported lost to the Plano Police Department. Marijuana was recovered from suspect Husband's person. The additional occupants of the vehicle are identified as Xavier Bryant 09/27/1989 and Derrick Epps 12/07/1985. They were interviewed by detectives and released. Officer Limbaugh's car was not equipped with a video camera. Approximately 92% of all patrol vehicles are equipped with dash cameras. Officer Limbaugh is currently on special assignment.

The Dallas Police Department Special Investigations Unit is responsible for investigating officer involved shootings. They have already interviewed witnesses to the incident, as well as the involved parties. They will also interview any additional witnesses, review physical evidence and results from the Medical Examiner in order to develop findings for the District Attorney to present to a Dallas County Grand Jury. This process is observed in all cases of police officer involved shootings to allow for the impartial arbitration of facts. Any eyewitnesses to the incident are encouraged to call the Special Investigations Unit at (214) 671-3664.

Original post: Police were unusually quiet about an officer-involved shooting that killed 21-year-old John Robert Husband on Saturday during a traffic stop in Oak Cliff.

A police spokesman first alerted the media to the shooting a bit before 6 p.m. Saturday. An hour-and-a-half later, he passed along a cursory summary of what happened:

Dallas officer made a traffic stop in the 3600 block of Folklore. There he encountered a suspect who was armed. The officer fired his weapon in self defense striking the suspect. The suspect was transported to Charlton Methodist where his condition is unknown. We are in the very early stages of this investigation and it is unlikely anymore information will be release soon. As I receive updates I will pass them on to you.

A pair of later emails identified the victim and said he had died at the hospital.

A possible reason for DPD's reticence emerged after it came to light that, according to the Dallas County Medical Examiner, Husband was shot in the back.

DPD still isn't saying much, but it announced a few minutes ago that it would release more information in the next few hours. We'll keep you posted.

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ebony_brileyjones
ebony_brileyjones

So sad to hear! I went to elementary school with this young man.....The choices you make are crucial.

ebony_brileyjones
ebony_brileyjones

So sad to hear! I went to elementary school with this young man...

balogna
balogna

Basic sentence structure, spelling, and grammar are not that difficult.  I have NO idea what most of these comments are attempting to argue. 

assumed guilty
assumed guilty

No he doesn't get shot but he get acussed of being a fellon and taken to jail. And first off how many rednecks get pull over for being that redneck do the math now tell me how many blacks get pulled over for just being black you tell me what's the odds I reasonly got pulled over for being the wrong color on the wrong side of town and acussed of false statements I served in the armed forces do I deserve to go thru that after putting my life on the line for "our country" I don't think so.

Mrsolo601
Mrsolo601

you know my comment is if the police didn't assume everybody is a suspect because of where they are these this would not keep happening over and over.

Kiarajking
Kiarajking

Oh really/ I would love to read where you found your information. Whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong doesnt matter the color or if it is familly or not.Every police officer is not a saint, it just looks like it because they pick and choose who to operate their dirty techniques on. Yes we all know blacks are the first to be questioned in a crime, and its sad.but the race card shouldnt always be pulled. Diane quit making GUESSES, there is a person who died in this case if you dont have the facts do not open your mouth to quack! If this were a white man I still would believe what I believe. Except im a familly member of this young black man and it hurts my heart to see you people talk so dirty about this situation. the truth will come out until then all you Dianes who are making our situation even harder to deal with God will have a way with you one day.

Kiarajking
Kiarajking

please do not look at the situation like that have a heart wait until the truth comes out, everyone who dies of a police oficer shooting is not a criminal and may not have been doing wrong remember that because it could soon happen to someone you may have known.

Kiarajking
Kiarajking

You must not believe everything you hear especially in the media. No one person knows the truth except for who was there at the happenings. John JayJay Husband was a black man, Yes He did come from and stay in the hood,yes he may have had a gun but no he did not try to pull his gun on the police. He was wrongfully shot and stopped by the police the truth will come out I have faith in God that John Husband will get justice. There are witnesses lets not forget and there are actions that should have been followed by the officer like after shooting a man and not calling for an ambulance or pulling someone over who are turning into a parking space? we will not let this go, there is a reason our brother,father,cousin,uncle,and best friend died the way he did.I will not pull the race card because it could have been a black man who shot JAYJAY it matters none to me. What matters is that he was shot in his back (major arteries) and was forced to lie down as he bled to death out of his mouth and back! I love you jayjay rest in paradise baby.

Daja_Bell
Daja_Bell

No they are not! I know all of them and the gun was not on him and his friends certaintly arent backing that crooked cop!

kat
kat

idgaf all that shiit is bullshit, fuck da police that killed my nigga! dey sum hoes fa dat square business!

the black community
the black community

1st of all you people don't know what hell you all are talking about! there are many speculations about the crime the police has committed in this situation! The man that was killed didn't even have the gun on him, they found the gun around the corner! not to mention there were no dash cam footage to be shown! For that matter at hand statistics from D.P.D say they don't have dash  cam's in 92% of their vehicles on duty, and that one did! But where's the footage? You see how our African American people get treated? No, all you people think of is a another nigga  gets killed in the streets, that dude ain't never hurt nobody, and the police killed that young brother for pulling up his pants, and they thought he had a gun! witnesses saw the whole event, and are willing to testify against the D.P.D! Several witnesses where willing to fill out a statements regarding the case, but police didn't want a statement but a hour and a half later had an entirely different statement! i could go and on with all this sh@t but I'm not! All of  you people need to do your homework before you talk sh@t about people whether it be from blacks to any race!

wallfly
wallfly

...reportedly; witnesses are saying the cop shot Husband while he was trying to run away not while they were wrestling for the pistol.  The cop says he was trying to handcuff Husband when he had to stop the handcuff attempt and kill him.  How close were they at the time of the shooting?  Because, if there are no powder burns on Husband or his clothes, it would seem that he was too far away to be going through the handcuff process.  Also, if the officer saw the gun on Husband, why would he try to put handcuffs on him before trying to remove the weapon?  And after he was shot, what efforts were put into trying to keep him from dying like cpr or stopping the bleeding - or does DPD even concern itself with saving such lives?  Also, according to witnesses, the cop never asked for the drivers license and registration.  Is this true?  What's the standard process in cases like this?

Rosemont girl
Rosemont girl

The best point I read here is that someone with a gun can be fleeing, and turning back as he runs to fire at the policeman behind him. Maybe this would not happen-but maybe it would.If the gun was loaded and in the victim's hand, you have to assume he was going to shoot, Ithink this is a terribly risky situation for a policeman-esp one alone; and we can never know what the victim would have done. 

Da Truth
Da Truth

I do have a question... how many DPD cops actually pull people over for not using a turn signal? I have never in my life seen a DPD cop pull anyone over for a traffic violation, much less a turn signal. Sounds like racial profiling in that regard.

But I still would have shot him no matter his color. If he is lying about a weapon and then is reaching for the weapon, first instinct is to defend yourself.

Rumpunch
Rumpunch

Fox4 is reporting that the suspect's grandfather is calling on the DPD Chief to get rid of the officer.

Why do you expect the Chief to do that?  Because he's black?  Because his own son died after been shot by Police? 

If the suspect was such a great father to his toddler and wanted to support his family he would have been acting a lot different.  He didn't give a crap about any of that when he was riding with a "lost gun" in his waistband.  He didn't give a crap about any of that when he lied to the cop or tried to get away. 

Timetomoveon
Timetomoveon

Maybe he should have tried living his life more like his surname rather than Mr. Gangsta

Rene
Rene

Let's review. Consider that the two witnesses were high at the time of the shooting--a bit of a credibility issue.  Mr. Husband couldn't be bothered to drive responsibly on multiple occasions, he was at an apartment complex that is well known for its drug-dealing, fathered a baby out of wedlock, was riding with his homeys smoking weed with a loaded pistol that was not registered to him in his pants (who knows, maybe looking to hit a lick), and wasn't smart enough to follow the directions of a policeman, an authority figure.  Husband ran because he did not want to face the responsibility for his lack of a turn signal, his previous tickets, the weed in the car, and the weapon in his waistband--and Husband's father called the cop a coward??  We've heard tearful accounts of what a great dad he was and what a wonderful son and a great friend, etc....and maybe he was.  But clearly, he operated with a ghetto mentality and lacked critical decision making skills, and ultimately, he paid the price for his ignorance.  I am sorry for his family's loss, and I can understand their anger, but their hypocrisy is unsettling.  Granted, I'm no fan of the DPD and its culture, but I don't think its the only culture in Dallas that could stand some serious reflection about how it operates and how it might improve.

And yes--it all could have been avoided by using a turn signal, which, like a smile, is a simple gesture that requires little effort but can mean a great deal to those who might benefit from it.  Life, or death, in this case, is in the details.

BubbaCo
BubbaCo

Personally, I'm all for shooting people who don't understand the importance of using their signal before making a lane change or executing a turn. Guy kinda got what he deserved.

Albert
Albert

Reaching for the weapon is a no-no. It's that simple. Licensed carriers know this, unlicensed carriers know this, it's not a secret.

Phelps
Phelps

If the physical evidence backs up the narrative, then it looks like it was an acceptable shoot that took a bad guy off the streets for good.

I'm not for the war on drugs or more gun control, but I am against people running around with stolen/lost guns.  A guy who buys his gun from a gun store wants to protect himself.  Someone who gets a hot gun has no good intentions.

Royce Williams
Royce Williams

Forget facts and truth justifying the use of deadly force by the officer who believed his life was in danger.  Facts and truth mean nothing to bigoted race baiters, there is only one factor they will consider.  Is Officer Limbaugh black or white?  If Officer Limbaugh is black the radical clamor will quickly fade. If Officer Limbaugh is white that can only mean the deceased was shot in the back for no reason other than he was black.

Flyer75165
Flyer75165

1st off..if a cop ask you have a gun...be honest..2ndits leagal if your of age to carry a concealed weapon in your vehicle in texas...NOT IN YOUR PANTS..HANGING AROUND YOUR ASS... i seen rhe mother and familly on tv..a 16yr old looking girl had tatts all over her body...i think husband was looking for trouble... parents take responsabillty....for being a piece of crap parent...quit making babys you cant raise right

Cujo
Cujo

So let's find out how the gun ended up at the scene first before anything else is discussed.

The first argument from an attorney defending the person with the gun, assuming he lived, would be it was on the officer originally and was a "drop gun" to be planted in case of a screw up. I'm not hearing a word from the two passengers to support this anyway.

Make no mistake, unless they could prove it wasn't in the possession of the defendant, I'm all for the police rendering the guy helpless or even dead. He's got to contend with the other two possibly carrying weapons as well as being outnumbered. This isn't the movies, you shoot to stop. If this corpse really had a gun and lied about it, I'd say whatever the officer had to do to make sure he made it home in one piece was justified given the information at this writing.

Diane Birdwell
Diane Birdwell

Oh, God, here we go again. Another dead suspect. "Shot in the back."  Let the race-cards go flying. Forget waiting for an investigation, let's all make assumptions.

So here are mine:

Let me tell you something--- This ain't Gunsmoke. Or the Rifleman. This is Dallas. I do not have to be FACING you to shoot you. If the gun is in my hand, I can just reach around my ribs and fire back towards you. Bet nobody never thinks about that.

Smelled dope? Please, let's legalize it, but if he was driving under the influence, hey, a righteous stop. If you don't want your butt pulled from a car by a cop, DO NOT SMOKE DOPE IN THE CAR.

You have a fully loaded gun which does not belong to you? Wrong, wrong and wrong. Does this man --and he is a MAN, not a boy, a child or a kid... Did this MAN have a concealed weapons permit? Did he answer honestly about being  possession of a gun?

I give credit to his friends who seemingly did not join in. Did not run. Smart moves. I regret the cop did not wait for backup. I also regret the loss of life of this young man--and how everyone else's lives are forever changed. 

I have known 3 police officers who have been killed in the line of duty. Bad guys don't play fair, or wait for you to get off a good shot in the right area of their bodies. I also know that in Dallas, or anywhere, when I get pulled over, hands go on the dash or steering wheel, I don't move, and I sure as hell don't lie about a weapon.

Now, take a breath and let's let the facts play out. Nah, hell. This is Dallas. Race-cards go!

that's a bit odd...
that's a bit odd...

He lost the gun that gave him justification to shoot the guy?  Did I read that correctly?

Bubbabgood2u
Bubbabgood2u

The officer asked the suspect if he had a gun or if a gun was in the car, suspect said NO...Strike 1,,,,,,,Officer attempted to pat down suspect, sees gun, attempts to handcuff suspect to protect them both,,,suspect flees....Strike 2,,,,,,suspect in his efforts to flee reaches for his gun, officer pulls his gun to protect himself and shoots,,,,,,Strike 3.......suspect dies.....had the suspect not lied about the gun, had not attempted to flee, and had not attempted to pull his gun.....NONE of this would have happened.  Suspect would have gone to jail and probably been out on bond in time to eat dinner.

Diana Powe
Diana Powe

It's simply true that the fact that the bullet that killed Mr. Husband entered his body somewhere "in the back" does not settle the question as to whether the officer was justified or not. It is one fact among many. It is not dispositive in this or in any other case.

scottindallas
scottindallas

one has to wonder, if pot were legal, would this whole scenario have been different? 

And, while it's hard to judge without any video, or more information; I'd hope full grown cop, standing behind this kid, with his hands behind his back, couldn't take him down, while keeping his hands from the gun.  Again, hard to judge, I don't know the size/build of the two involved, but I think most wrestlers could do it.  IF only the police had access to that rarefied training.  Again, without another officer, or backup, that could be dangerous leaving him exposed to the others. I'm sure officer Limbaugh will wonder about that too.

Rumpunch
Rumpunch

Actually, according to DPD 92% of the cars DO have dashcam video rather than do not as per your statement. Everything else you say is suspect. As you said yourself, you "could go on with this sh@t". I agree with your labelling of your comment.

Besides what evidence could possible ever come forth to prove that the police were justified? Video wouldn't matter, confessions don't matter.

BTW O.J. did it and you know it. Sticking up for someone because of their color is just as racist as persecuting them for their color.

RTGolden
RTGolden

Starting at the end of your post:  Standard procedure here is to FIRST: Secure the scene. Hence the question of "Do you have a gun?" instead of "Who are you?".  To attempt to answer your question on why one would try to handcuff someone before removing a weapon from the person, I'll rely on intuition and military training and experience, with the qualifier that I am not and have never been in law enforcement and don't know their procedures.  Simply put, if you handcuff the subject successfully, it is very easy to control the subject's arms and hands with one of yours.  A simple twist on the cuffs can inflict some pretty serious pain on the wrists.  So, by cuffing the subject you 1) gain a higher degree of control over the situation and 2) severely limit the subject's ability to use force against you, protecting both yourself, and the subject.

Timetomoveon
Timetomoveon

I got pulled over for a broken tail light and I am white as snow.

Sorry, reach back in the deck for another race card and try again

Timetomoveon
Timetomoveon

"a loaded pistol that was not registered to him"

Registered with whom? There is no gun registration in Texas. Stop watching TV

Ed D.
Ed D.

If the penalty for failure to signal was death, the population of Dallas would drop by 90% in less than a week.

Crowesmainthang
Crowesmainthang

Im 28 with tatts, as you say. So what. I promise some people are so simple minded! God I hope you aren't breeding!

Crowesmainthang
Crowesmainthang

Im sorry, but 3 white dudes in a car vs. 3 black dudes in a car...1 of those cars would not have been pulled over!

Rumpunch
Rumpunch

Exactly.  The suspect made 3 deliberate actions and we cannot give the officer the benefit of the doubt when reviewing his reaction.  There was a gun - fact.  Even his friend stated he was trying to run - fact. Even if he only appeared to be reaching for the gun as part of the struggle, he still made the deliberate decision to struggle.

The officer did not decide to make this guy's child grow up without a father, he made the choice.  No matter how much he cared for his kid or how much he wanted to be a truck driver, does not prevent him from paying for his actions.

RTGolden
RTGolden

The legality or illegality of pot, in this case would be irrelevant I think.  Even if pot were legal (like alcohol), I would hope that driving under the influence of it would still be illegal (like alcohol).  There would still be a situation full of tension, compounded by the presence of a firearm, and a cop who has to make a quick all-or-nothing decision.  Not a good set of circumstances.

Jay
Jay

Keep in mind Scott, as far as the officer knew at the time of the altercation was that it was potentially a three against one fight. Trying to wrestling an armed suspect to the ground while keeping track of whether either of two other possible accomplices are armed, or ready to join the attack, is a bit much to ask. Lets all relax and see where the investigation goes. Unlike in Florida, there are two eye witnesses to the shooting.

Guest
Guest

This may or may not have been justified, but I don't think it's right to expect an officer to risk his life wrestling one-on-one with two loaded guns in arm's reach of the driver and another guy waiting in the car (or at least he was in the car last the officer saw him).  Even if 9 times out of 10 the officer wins the wresting match, the 1 time out of 10 the officer would end up dead.  Officers are trained to avoid the situation you describe for exactly this reason. 

Rumpunch
Rumpunch

These are all questions that I am sure the officer is asking himself.  We can Monday morning quarterback this thing to death, however we may never really know the truth.  On one side is a cop trying to justify his actions on the other side are the deceased friends.  Both have emotions and reasons to manipulate the story.

With regard to your statement regarding the legality of pot.  While legal possession of a firearm in you vehicle is allowed unless a crime is being committed would apply if pot were legal, if he were under the influence of pot there would still be a weapons enhanced crime, the same as alcohol.  Also, depending on the circumstances of the weapons loss, a crime may be present there.  Therefore, to answer you question, I do not think that pot's legal status would have had a material outcome in this case.

NAFTA
NAFTA

Granted when I went to court for it-- the court room was filled with tacos and chitlins.

Carmy
Carmy

Sorry TimetomoveonBut, Yes, there is a gun registration in Texas. It's not State required but it is Federally required.  When you purchase a firearm legally you are required to fill out an affidavit, also known as a background check, that is submitted to the FBI at the time of purchase. That affidavit has your name and social security number (not required, but speeds up the check and approval process, if you choose). The affidavit part simply requests you swear that you are not a straw purchaser buying that firearm for your buddy who is Zeta Sicario.

Also on that affidavit is the manufacturers serial number and the type of firearm i.e. Long gun (rifle or shotgun), Hand gun, (revolver or semi-automatic) that you are purchasing. That firearm serial number is then recorded in a Federal database.

The reason that hand gun turned up Lost is because the original owner had the sense to report it removed from his possesion. It is in your best interest to notify authorities if that firearm leaves your possession because if it turns up at the scene of a violent altercation and is still listed in the Federal database with you as the owner. You will definitely be contacted. 

linebred
linebred

 All for it. We would be a lot closer to "world class" without the typical rude ass Dallasite.

Kiarajking
Kiarajking

the officer knew that it could have been a three against one when he first stopped the vehicle at that point then he should have called for another squad car that is what most officers do to avoid dangerous situations that can result in death of there selves or a victim unless their motive was to harm someone if they felt dangered, and that is exactly what this police officer did.this could have been avoided if the officer did his part.THERE ISNT A WAY AROUND IT! the officer has made his statement but when you all hear the truth maybe you will stop being so judgmental of situations like this.I agree police are supposed to protect you and if a suspect tries to harm them SELF DEFENSE! but what if the suspect is just trying to flee? Husband is going to get justice.r.i.heavens gates

Timetomoveon
Timetomoveon

There are something like a billion untested rape kits-- you seriously think police are tracing guns from manufacture to crime?

How?

Why?

It's not happening.

Rumpunch
Rumpunch

Fine, not a list, a series of completed 4473 forms retained indefinitely by each FFL who has come in contact with the gun. Again, you are arguing semantics.

Also, when the police are tracing a gun from manufacture to crime, don't you think they may make a list?

Do you have anything to actually add to the story, or are you just arguing verbiage?

Timetomoveon
Timetomoveon

What list of documented owners? LOL. There is no such list. 

Timetomoveon
Timetomoveon

Practically everything in your comment is so factually incorrect I am not even going to bother trying to point it all out.

Rumpunch
Rumpunch

I think we are arguing semantics here.  The gun is not officially "registered" (i.e. their is no database which links the S/N to the owner.)  Rather, the transfer or sale is documented and retained by the seller.  While Form 4473 is not required for sales between non-vendors, I would recommend going to a FFL to complete a transfer (usually a small fee) or at least documenting the sale in the event the gun is involved in a crime after you sell it.  Therefore, when the authorities are going down the list of documented owners, you can give them a name and last known address rather than "some guy."

Lost can also mean stolen, however the date of the theft is not known.  I will be very interested to hear about the ballistic results when the gun is tested.

Cujo
Cujo

When I moved here I was stunned by just how many people don't use turn signals. As an example, I drove from San Diego to Dallas and people used turn signals the vast majority of the time until I hit the outskirts of Fort Worth. I just never understood why it's so much trouble, but I suspect too many drivers have distractions such as cell phones and the like.

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