Mike Miles Wants Most DISD Educators on a Performance-Pay Plan Soon -- and He Wants Them to Like It

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While his vision might not be as far-reaching as Deltron's, incoming DISD chief Mike Miles outlined his vision for the future Thursday in "Destination 2020," his first presentation to the board.

The main job of the district, Miles said, is to "prepare students for college or for a Year 2020 workplace" which will, unsurprisingly, require the development of "Year 2020 skills" like teamwork, information literacy and economics. These are distinct from the reading, writing and math skills the report leaves undated.

In hard numbers, Miles wants 90 percent of students to graduate on time and enter college, the military, or a career; 60 percent of students to score a 21 on the ACT or 1100 on the math and reading portions of the SAT; and 80 percent to pass workplace readiness assessments.

And how, precisely, does Miles propose the district achieve said goals?

The report gets a bit jargony, but the bottom line, according to Miles, is that DISD needs better instruction and leadership, which in turn requires greater accountability for teachers and administrators.

By 2015, he wants 80 percent of teachers and all administrators to be on a performance pay plan, with mandatory classroom observations and yet-to-be-spelled-out performance metrics. (He also wants most of the employees to "agree or strongly agree" with the evaluation system and , though the report doesn't specify what happens if they don't).

There are also various benchmarks for adherence to a set of "Core Beliefs" (boilerplate affirmations about being committed to improving student achievement for all), the operation of the central office, and streamlined hiring practices.

The toughest metric might be this: Miles want 70 percent of the community to "agree or strongly agree" with the direction of the district by 2015, based on an independent survey. I don't know if you could get that many people to agree on anything, except maybe that the Mavs shouldn't have traded Tyson Chandler.

Best of luck on that one, Mike.

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TrueStory.
TrueStory.

poor tall guy.  gets to be on the news and they cut the top of his head off.  and you know the guy just to right of him is going to make this his profile pic on facebook.  

DISDmom
DISDmom

Improving our Dallas public schools has to start at the top. Kudos to Mike Miles. Don't forget to vote in today's DISD Board Election (Saturday 5/12 7am-7pm) to help ensure that we're putting the right people on the Board to help push this kind of thinking through. The group DallasKidsFirst has done a lot of homework on the candidates running for DISD Board spots. The candidate scorecards are online: http://www.dallaskidsfirst.org... 

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

In a post above, JS asked what can be done about dismal performance (I assume he/she meant teacher performance?).

I'd like to point out that, at the magnets, performance is not dismal.Teachers don't have to have a special "magnets" certification; I can transfer to teach at a magnet whenever I want without any extra requirements.

Performance is dismal at comprehensives bc this district crams all kids--regardless of their needs--into the same rooms AND THEN WALKS AWAY FROM THEM TO GO HAVE LUNCH AT THE RITZ-CARLTON.

Here is the typical mix of kids I have in MOST of my classes:  -1-5 who speak ZERO English-at least 1 (sometimes more )Special Ed kids-extremely above-level kids-kids with mental issues/behavior problems-kids who literally cannot stay awake bc they are up and out all night-kids who are high-kids who bring nothing to school--no homework, pencils, paper...nothing-kids who have failed every single state test they have ever taken and are passed on regardless

The trustees know this.Middle-class parents know it and that's why their kids aren't in comprehensive DISD schools.

Don't come back from lunch at the Ritz and tell me I'M not a good teacher.Thousands like me are doing the best we can with conditions that are being completely ignored by 3700 Ross Avenue and the trustees.

It's the comprehensive model that is the problem.

guest
guest

How will the system affect teachers who speak up? Will anything change or will they continue to be treated like Mr. Torres whose fate will be evidently be determined next week.

Employee Hearing Agenda and NoticeThursday, May 17, 2012 at 9:00 AM4. Ruling on the Appeal Decision for Elliot Monteverde Torres

carlmac
carlmac

This man's nothing but a charlatan who's planning another run for office. A jobs program? What, for future votes?

This entire plan failed in his last school district, but he's such a self-promoter that he hasn't changed a word of it. His 31-year old bimbo in charge of "strategy?" For what, his next political office?

Hinojosa came in with the same arrogance. What should have been done in both cases is to hand one of these jerks Samuell High School or Pinkston and let them show us how it's done.

Neither has a track record of success, yet throw the big bucks at them. A "2020" plan when he's long gone? What's the metric to keep this moron by this time next year? Will he also need to work with his door open so board members can sneak up on him? Or does the bimbo guard the door?

What was the rush in hiring this loser before the next board is seated? Did anyone look at the test scores in his failing district where the community wanted him gone?

Mike Rawlins
Mike Rawlins

You will agree or strongly agree, or else!

Now. Hit the floor and give me fifty....

Matthew Gunter
Matthew Gunter

Just out of curiosity, how does one measure the performance of special ed teachers?

East Texas Observer
East Texas Observer

"Prepare students for college or for a year 2020 workplace." What? Look back 8 years and try to tell me that anyone could have predicted what the 2012 workplace would be like!

Ask those students who are graduating in a few weeks if they were prepared for college. As in, selecting a major that actually had value.

This is just more elitist clap trap. Not every one needs to or should go to college. This no longer the 50's where a BBA meant a career.

What we owe today's student is an education that teaches them how to read, basic math skills, grammar and a sense of history.

As one who remembers the voc tech schools of yore, there should be an option available to every student .... a skill. Think tradesmen are under paid, HA!. Electricians, plumbers, HVAC, carpenters are very well paid. If a student graduated with 3 years of 1/2 day OJT , and had at least basic skills, $25-40 hour, easy. At least $50,000 a year.

Teachers have their agenda, and it does not include the student.

MayahMikeRawlins
MayahMikeRawlins

The plan is to pay teachers in underperforming schools the minimum wage they deserve. 

SlamminSammySnead
SlamminSammySnead

Dallas kids first is a fucking joke. Funded by a few rich white north Dallas power brokers who are pissed that they lost control of the trustee election process to concerned parents and taxpayers. It's grass roots vs special interest groups and the special interest groups are trying to buy the election.

Seroled
Seroled

Exactly!  My school has ability grouped the students, so I have no above average students.  70% have not passed TAKS and they are simply not interested in education.  They come to school dirty, stinky, sleepy, and empty handed.  Where is Becky Oliver to get video footage of students exitin buses and cars EMPTY HANDED!  Yes, there are 1-10% who listen and genuinely seem to try, but the others make it hard on them.  Who will address societal ills?   

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

Your 3rd paragraph is perfection.

Let them take a failing school and show me--with my exemplary comprehensive scores--how it's done better.

Seriously.  I'm all ears.

Oak Cliff Townie
Oak Cliff Townie

 This entire plan failed in his last school district, but he's such a self-promoter that he hasn't changed a word of it. His 31-year old bimbo in charge of "strategy?" For what, his next political office?

Is his Dingus named Strategy ? And Do you mean Orifice or Office ?

 Did we hire the Former  Arkansas Football Coach or What ?

Seroled
Seroled

Their performance is not measured.  SPED students are placed in general ed classes and the general ed teacher is held responsible.  SPED teachers conduct "bogus" ARDS and get exceeds while doing nothing!

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

Hey--it is't the teachers' agenda.

It's the overpaid off-campus administrators who say we need to spend more money on "education."  

By "education" they mean themselves.

They are in collusion with the SAT people to funnel kids not to college, but into taking SAT and ACT tests.

After that, they couldn't care less.Teachers want vo-tech.Our $400K a year superintendents, beholden to the test-makers, call for college.

billmarvel
billmarvel

When it comes to "elitist clap trap" nothing could be more elitist than the notion that some kids are too dumb or too unmotivated or just unworthy of college, and we know who they are and we can weed them out and send them to vocational training of some sort before they gum up the system.I've got to guess that you're a college man.

billmarvel
billmarvel

Maya,Underperforming schools are in underperforming neighborhoods with underperforming parents, an underperforming social structure, and an underperforming economic system.How do you propose to deal with this?

Mike Rawlins
Mike Rawlins

I just want you to know that I don't appreciate your shenanigans.

carlmac
carlmac

Hey, Miles is going to give principals one year to turn around failing schools, yes maam. And if there isn't serious improvement in just one year, well, there will be a line around the building of other principals who also want to be fired in just one year and are waiting to take those jobs. With Miles in charge, all kinds of principal talent will just appear out of nowhere to take over these failing schools. And Miles will stand back and just pop the whip to show he's earning his keep.

Now if you take a look at Miles' teeny tiny little district, it took him years to show miniscule improvements, but to show what Miles is made of, he'll give these Dallas principals 9 months to birth a whole new set of test scores. We all know how this improved Atlanta schools, so we can't wait for this wholesale turnaround.

Joyce Foreman
Joyce Foreman

  Miles knows it's a bad plan, that's why he is hiring his communications person and putting her at a cabinet level. That  means she can make enough money to keep the heat off of him. Please tell me what a communications person will do to help educate the children?

The DISD board is so dumb, it makes my head hurt. They can not hire a competent person because they would look bad. We are in for another rush to spend money on ideas that will not work.  This is Hinojosa second phase.

Seroled
Seroled

They are not measured in regards to student success.

carlmac
carlmac

Miles spent hundred of thousands of dollars developing tests for elementary art kids and all the electives, same as is happening in New York where the race to the bottom pervails over common sense. The annual cost of administering all this horseshit was around $400,000 in a district of 10,000 kids. Colorado was chasing race to the bottom funds and failed, but still spent themselves in a hole chasing Arne Duncan's latest delusions.

Miles' schools were all low ranked with small increases in achievement. Is no board member in Dallas or at BELO, which was behind the choice of this candidate, able to read test data and figure out that past performance is the best indicator of future performance. His scheme failed to produce good schools, so now he gets a huge raise to fail here. Wait until the rest of the entourage arrives at top dollar. On top of his low test scores, he was out consulting in other districts with plans that look exactly like the power point.. Cut and paste costs Dallas $350,000 a year, and notice there is no actual plan.

Does Dallas have some sort of special magnet to attract only the narcissistic shells who have no past history of success? Why does the board and BELO keep recruiting the same superintendent over and over. It's like an abused wife who will pick the one wife beater out of a crowd..

observist
observist

 I'm not sure why East Texas Observer has such a chip on his shoulder about "elitist clap trap" but I think everything else he says is true.  Germany has a "'tracked" educational system with a very strong vocational training program and they don't seem to be suffering a dramatic under-utilization of human capital. To the contrary, they have some of the best skilled tradespeople in the world, which is a big driver of their manufacturing/machining excellence and subsequent exporting strength. 

I think there's been some national correlation/causation confusion when it comes to college degrees, and people seem to think that everyone can become above average if they get a degree.  It's led to less and less capable students attending college, and the rise of for-profit univeristies with no admissions standards using under-qualified kids for their tuition loan eligibility.

East Texas Observer
East Texas Observer

 Too dumb? Too unmotivated? Do the math. 18 year old gets a job as a journeyman electrician at $25/hr. 2080 hours X $25 = $52,000 - without overtime. At 20, with master electrician ticket, makes $65/hr. 2080 X $65 = $135,200, without overtime. So by 24, when most of the "smart" college grads are looking for their first job, he/she has already made about $780,000. Think the numbers are unreal, call an electrician or plumber or HVAC tech and see what their hourly rate is.

The point is, they will continue to earn at that rate, or better, and the Dr., lawyer, CPA will never catch up.

You must be a teacher. How is that $45,000-$60,000 yr and MBA or PHD working out for you. Plus, how much student debt do you have?

Elitist fool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RTGolden
RTGolden

I think it is true that some people are just not college material.  Where I disagree with the argument is in the decision-making process.  The decision that a kid should or should not go to college has to be made by the kids themselves.

I made that decision for myself.  When I graduated HS, I knew I wasn't ready to go to college.  I had the grades and the ability, lacked the desire.  I chose a different route, but again, it was my choice.  It would have been wrong for anyone else to tell me I needed to go to college, or that I needed to 'find a skill'.

Seroled
Seroled

My sentiments exactly!  Who in their RIGHT mind would sign up for the task of turning around a school in a low ses area in ONE year. What?  He gets three years, but principals get ONE. What is wrong with that picture?

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

I've heard she drives him around?Please verify that this is NOT true.No self-respecting Texas man would sit idly by in the passenger seat (like a dog going to be neutered, according my male relatives).No self-respecting Texas man would dump the driving duty on a female.I live in a family of Native Texans and none of them would go for that.It's like overcooked okra or unsweet tea.  It's just not right.

Guest2012
Guest2012

Funny you should mention his entourage....rumor has it Miles is hiring a spokesperson (Director of Communications) who will only represent the superintendent (not the district) at a cost of $100,000 a year. Where is that money coming from? Can anyone verify this?

Observist
Observist

Not trying to be nasty, just a little snarky... didn't see what tracked education had to do with planned economy and assumed based on your posts you were reasonable enough not to think Obama is a socialist. 

European solutions aren't always applicable in the US because small, mono-ethnic countries tend not to have the same discrimination concerns.  I would be interested to see how the growing Turkish population in German feels about the fairness of the education system. 

bill marvel
bill marvel

I'm certain Obama is not a socialist, and I'm pretty sure he was born in Hawaii, so I presume we can resume talking. I'm not sure what your aim was in injecting this nasty little aside, but it shows how politics has poisoned the well of civil discussion. As I said, I know very little about how Germany manages the lives of its students. I know that at one time the tracking system in Japan was very rigid, a source of intense frustration and anguish among Japanese students. And so, I'm against tracking. Period. It's very possible that some students are not cut out for college, not because they're not smart enough, but because their smartness is better adapted to vocational training. And many can learn from books and hands-on experience. But I'm not convinced any of us can sort these abilities out with enough confidence to assign kids to a college track or a vocational track (though the testing industry makes millions by attempting just this feat). And I'm damned sure DISD Teacher is unable to make this judgment. Just to come clean: I was educated under a tracked system. The Jesuits, at one time, placed students in classes according to their presumed abilities. But the system was extremely flexible and produced all sorts of surprises as students moved round rather freely depending upon their actual achievements.Finally, I freely and even enthusiastically acknowledge that the needs of the "top 20 percent" are different, though I object to the word "top," which implies a social judgment. I believe in meeting those needs. Just so, the "bottom" 20 percent -- whatever that means -- have special needs. Putting them together in the same classroom serves the needs of neither, as you point out. If this is elitist, then I guess we're elitist. So you see, apart from your stumble over what you imagine to be my politics, we're probably a lot closer to agreement than  either of us would be to Dallas Teacher.   

observist
observist

I think we can all agree that Germany does not have a planned economy... unless you are one of those who thinks Obama is a socialist, in which case we should stop talking. 

So, yes, there is a danger or students being "mis-tracked", but the tracks are not permanent and inviolable.   Basically, the system acknowledges that the top 20% have very different needs and abilities than the bottom 20%, and it's something of a charade to have them in the same school with the same academic standards and graduation requirements (assuming we're talking about a diverse group of students, like Woodrow Wilson, not HP).   Really the main difference is that skilled trades are well-respected in Germany, so there's not a perception of only two options, College or Failure, like there seems to be here in the US. 

You and ETO were both acusing each other of being elitist.  ETO's idea of elitism is "You're only smart if you've gone to college" and your idea of elitism is "Some people just aren't smart enough to go to college".  If we better acknowledge a middle tier between college and failure, we can reduce prejudice against non-degree-holders AND stop pushing unprepared kids into college (or dumbing down college to meet their needs). 

billmarvel
billmarvel

By the way, Teach, kids with no apptitude for physics by definition will have no apptitude for auto mechanics or anything having to do with machines, pipes, wires, bricks, wood, nails....

billmarvel
billmarvel

Sera,I've suspected as much. But for all his or her contempt for education, Teach seems to know his or her way around the school system. I suspect DISD Teach has had it with bone-head administrators, who are usually college educated, and has built that into a general resentment of college. Too bad for Teach's student who will go into life with a bias against books, self-improvement, the professions. Teach doesn't see that turning kids against college is not different from force-marching them into college.

Seraoled
Seraoled

Bill,

You must know that "DISD Teacher" is not a DISD Teacher.  The person is only using that title as a cover while inciting rage against teachers.   

Urbandweller203
Urbandweller203

Oh I see, you must be a "DISD Sub".  What's the minimum requirement, 1 semester of college? You have an issue with college, maybe because you didn't finish. That's the only reason I would think an adult would push Vo-tech. The real scams are Vo-Tech, those kids  who think they are not college material, or even comm. college material, go to those school and get laden with student loans. They leave with a student loan debt. Those are the same kids that could qualify for federal assistance,i.e. pell grant. I rather see my tax money spent on someone who tried than someone who went vo-tech because no one believed in them. These days, there are developmental courses, etc. at universities and community colleges.

You are pushing to create a nation of dummies. It is dangerous to live where 1/2 of the young people are idle, or in mis-fit areas. Most young people who go straight Vo-tech, don't continue to pursue it unless its their passion.

I don't need to go in and sub to understand why kids need to be encouraged, no matter how bad they are. Kids know when people are for them or against them, and you, apparently are against them seeking a viable future. 

By the way, algebra is a strategic way of thinking and solving problems. It's a process to solving a problem. Automotive tech solve problems everyday, they have to be able to think. That's why you have auto-tech and shade tree fix er-up.

Once again, please leave the classroom. You remind me of those teachers who had to teach a lot of black kids in DISD in  the 60's-70's, They didn't give a shit.

billmarvel
billmarvel

Funneling kids into vocational programs and away from college produces lots of nice docile worker bees to labor in those businesses that have not yet sent their operations to India or wherever. By keeping kids out of college, we ensure that they haven't read widely, do not think critically, are not likely to challenge the status quo, and are thus easily controlled. This also swells the available work force of drone labor, depressing wages and increasing unemployment.But Teacher knows best what is "meaningful and interesting" to students, and so directs them away from algebra and into automotive classes. Notice that, according to Teach, it's those students on the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder (and more likely to be members of a minority) who most need to be warned away from college. Would any of them like to become pediatricians or architects or lawyers or economists or chemists? Of course not, according to Teach. And Teach knows best.  This is a formula for perpetuation of a permanent underclass in America.

billmarvel
billmarvel

Your anger at me was misdirected and based on a misreading of my comment. If you read carefully my comment you'd see that, aside from your contempt for college eduction, we're substantially in agreement. No more than you, do I want to see kids mindlessly herded into college, and I respect those who choose a vocational path.

    

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

Go sub at Kimball or Spruce for a week and then get back to me on encouraging all kids to rack up a bunch of debt in college.  Sure, it benefits the colleges...but not the kids.  

And kids would learn Algebra in the context of Automotive classes, which would be meaningful and interesting to them.  We need vo-tech.

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

This from a person who shouted Elitist Claptrap! at another person's post.Talk about snap judgments and patronizing comments.

It is not my job to "guide" kids to life decisions; that is between them and their parents.

It is my job to teach the TEKS set forth by the state of Texas for my content area and grade level.  My DISD students are assessed for mastery of these TEKS and my DISD students score at the same level as the kids in Highland Park and far above the rest of DISD comprehensive students.  So I'm doing what I need to be doing.  I'm obviously not imposing ignorance on them.

Since you are not a DISD teacher, you have no concept of the Propaganda Machine aimed at these kids with zero regard for their interests, their skill level, their family's situation, etc.  Stalin would be proud of the Go To College No Matter What Propaganda Machine.

I refuse to be used to herd these kids mindlessly into something simply to profit companies.  The kids need to critically analyze the pros and the cons with their families.

Surely you remember learning about propaganda during WWII.  You may have even been old enough to experience it and question it.  I have friends from the former USSR who won't even let their kids join the Boy Scouts bc they sense propaganda--in the Boy Scouts!  Maybe they're right, I don't know.   But I don't want to be part of this Propaganda Machine.  

Another way it plays out is that the kids who have no interest or aptitude for Physics or Calculus drop out.  They'd stay if there was vo-tech, but in our frenzy to be perceived as Getting Kids Ready for Harvard, that's not an option.  

Driving kids to drop out isn't a good thing.

Urbandweller203
Urbandweller203

There is no way I believe you are a DISD teacher. Please change your blog name  because you are a total embarrasment to the profession!!!! 

You would still patronize a medical professional if their degree was fake?College is a racket?

By the way cars are more and more complex (technology), you must be able to have some level of basic thought strategy. Algebra helps you get there.

Wow! 

billmarvel
billmarvel

DISD teacher,Pretty strong words from someone who doesn't even know me.Just to clarify: I never imagined that a college degree confers intelligence. I know better. I've encountered too many fools with degrees. I've also encountered a great many fools without degrees, who even have contempt for degrees. The distribution is pretty even. I have no idea what you imagine, in your very patronizing phrase, is "my generation." I can tell you that I've always thought that students are in the best position to make decisions -- college or not? -- for themselves. I do not want to see some tracking system make those decisions for them, funneling them into a college track or a vocational track on the basis of some counselor's hunch or some bogus test score. Or some teacher's prejudices.Finally, let's get down to the heart of your comment, which seems to be a virulent resentment of college, college degrees and, by extension, those "sheeple" who have earned college degrees.I tremble for your students, if you really are a DISD teacher. What is the chance they are going to get clear guidance or, given your attitude, even useful advice from you when it comes to choosing how best to use their talents? Those who show any desire to go college are going to be profoundly discouraged by your scorn and the militant -- yes -- ignorance you impose upon them.As I said, I have a deep respect for anyone who can repair a transmission or wire a house. Such skills represent deep thought and hard work and years of experience, something not at all unique to college grads. Honest work of any kind is never easy, but always respectable. That would inc lude I think, the honest work of earning a degree, whether in pediatric medicine or in education.I do not, however, respect teachers who make snap judgments on those who choose to earn a college degree and who plant their anti-college bias in impressionable young minds. I've taught too many of your students, Teach, students who came out of your class unable to write a clear sentence, unable to understand a simple paragraph. Students who had no idea what the Second World War was about or who won it. Students with a profound contempt for "book learning," who mistakenly thought that earning a living at an honest job was incompatible with exercising their curiosity and their minds.My sister is a public school teacher in Denver, Teach, and a damned good one. She respects all the abilities of her students and does not attempt to impose deep resentments or phony judgments upon their abilities or goals. Some of her students have gone on to college, some not. I like to think she is typical of dedicated public school teachers everywhere. But that may be too profound a thought for you.

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

Lots of the kids don't have the papers to work even if they get a college degree, Genius.

It makes no financial sense to spend all that money on a college degree you can't use.

HOW ELITIST OF YOU TO THINK A COLLEGE DEGREE CONFERS INTELLIGENCE ON A PERSON.  YOU ARE SUCH A PRODUCT OF YOUR GENERATION THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT.

I don't give a flip if anyone I pay has a college degree.  I want excellence.  Period.  If I found out tomorrow my pediatrician's degree was fake, I'd still take my children to him.

Your generation thinks I am too stupid to judge for myself.Private schools don't require certified teachers and they can hire non-degreed teachers if they like.

I'm pretty sure every worthless Senator, Congressman, President, Mayor, Governor, etc has an equally worthless college degree.

I'll take my non-degreed relatives who have built million-dollar businesses any day of some chump who is more form than substance.

If my students want Automotive classes instead of Algebra II, I say: go for it.College is a racket for sheeple.I know that is a new and profound concept for you.

billmarvel
billmarvel

I don't know enough about Germany's system to comment.  But I do think the idea of "tracking" students and funneling them into programs that will define their place in society for the rest of their lives is classist and undemocratic. Who has the wisdom to do this tracking? What kind of test could be devised? (Administrators so love to devise tests, and they'fre so good at it!)I also think of so many great achievers who might have been sidetracked too early into some dead-end job. Little Einstein seemed pretty much a dunce through childhood.  Ome of my high school classmates was placed in a class for dummies. He ended up chief of surgery at a famous hospital.The difference between a tracking system and what we have now is the difference between a free-market economy and a planned economy. And we all know how they turn out.

Urbandweller203
Urbandweller203

It is true that college is not for everyone, but what harm would there be for a person to try it. A lot of kids are not motivated to go to college for several reasons, but I believe as adults, we have a responsibility to encourage every young person to seek a higher education. See, ETO education is about opening the mind to think for yourself. I can go on and on about this. It allows you to function, blend, and bend. It teaches you humility and character in so many ways. It teaches you tolerance in a diverse society. It builds your social skills. You develop life relationships. Its way more than the degree you receive. It shows you can be trained. If after one year a young person decide college is not for them, well, at least they tried. Maybe during that time they decided what they really wanted to be. Pushing kids into trades because, maybe they fit, is not the best approach.

 As a matter of fact, your math is so incorrect. There is no master electrican on this planet that is making over a 1/2 mil. unless they own the company. 780K is typical  revenue they generate for that business, not their take home pay. To become a master electrican, you must be literate and it takes a long time to become a master electrician, certainly not at 20 year old. They must read plan,  3D software..etc.....Also, to make 65 per hour you must be part of a union and Texas is not a union state and unions are slowly being dismantled. So if we direct our young  to trade careers, we should be clear on what we know about those trades.  Its just like telling a kid to go to the military to have a great career, other than letting them know their chances of going to war  are high and they will  be on the front lines. Some of these kids are being lead to the military without being informed they can go in as an officer if they would JUST GO TO COLLEGE!

There is no quick way to success, just look at Da-marcus, running for the school board. No one motivated that kid to direct all that passion to a college campus and maybe look at political science. If he wins, he will be another career black politcian without a formal education, taking stupid ass bribes.

Its not all about the money ETO. Certainly, I would not want to be a teacher at 45-60k, but there are people dedicated to the profession that deserves respect. Then there are the ones who are alternative teachers because the economy is slow and they don't give a shit about kids.  They won't last under Mike Miles.

I wonder where was your thoughts in 1976 when you went to UT.  At UT, I bet you stayed drunk or high  the first two years, then decided, oh shit, I better get my degree! 

observist
observist

One criteria might be the amount of remedial courses a student needs prior to taking college-level courses.  I went to a Big 10 school that had an inordinate number of inordinately large remedial classes (numbered 0xx) that were teaching 8th-grade level algebra, basic grammar, etc.  Why are universities collecting tuition to teach the material best taught in high school or even middle school?  Because we're sending unqualified students to college.

billmarvel
billmarvel

And by the way, ETex, who gets to decide what's best for the student? And what would be the criteria?

billmarvel
billmarvel

Mystified, ETex,What political agenda would sending a kid to college "fit"?  

East Texas Observer
East Texas Observer

 FYI:

BBA, 1976, UT-Austin. 3.52GPA

I have contempt for those who push the college route simply because it fits their political agenda, not what is best for the student.

billmarvel
billmarvel

EastTex,Your disdain for a college education may have given you a $135,000-a-year job, but apparently it's left you without the ability to understand what you read.If you had been able to comprehend what I wrote, you would have seen that "too dumb" and "too unmotivated" are not my assessment but part of the elitist claptrap being promulgated by the college-is-not-for everyone crowd. I'm not sure who's too dumb for college, but I'm pretty sure anyone who can rewire a junction box or fix the leak under my sink is smart enough to absorb a college course in, say, English or history. In fact, EastTex, many do. I never had any illusions when I went to college more than a half-century ago that I would be earning more than my Uncle Lou, a union plumber. College was simply the way I chose to do what I wanted with my life.Journeyman electricians and plumbers, I hope, likewise choose to go into those professions, not because some elitist decides early on they're not college material, whatever that may be.Your contempt for teachers and those with a degree because they don't make those big wages, by the way, suggests the way you evaluate a person is by the size of his or her paycheck. Who's the elitist fool, here?

justwondering
justwondering

 who says Miles can't pick a magnet, plenty of administrators before have pulled strings or simply done a "thou shalt".Perhaps some of those north Dallas power elite will get him a good deal on a house near a school with good ratings.

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

Can he still do Travis even though the application process is over and done and all of the spots are supposedly filled?

Not sure how it will go over if he has his child at a magnet.

DISD Teacher
DISD Teacher

Fab-u-lous.And 100% accurate.

Teachers aren't the problem in DISD.Dallas is sick of blaming the teachers.I am a teacher AND a DISD parent.

It isn't just my children's teachers.It is the system from the principals on up.Race-based, nepotism, cronyism, money flowing to the Park Cities.

Which school will Miles choose for his "lucky" DISD child?He can't pick a magnet and he can't pick private.

Welcome to the world of the middle class parents in DISD, Mr. Miles.You have about 3 choices left for your middle schooler.And those 3 choices are only as good as they are because of the against-all-odds teachers in them.

Maybe you'll ask the teachers what DISD needs to do to improve.Since you've never been a teacher.

observist
observist

Irony. Nero fiddled while Rome burned, Dallas builds bridges while DISD fails.

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