Whoops: Because Of Our Blog Post, Now the Angelika in Plano Won't Run Atheist Ads Either

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Movie theaters of the Dallas-Fort Worth area, do you never cease toying with the affections of local atheists? First it was Movie Tavern that backed out of showing the Dallas-Fort Worth Coalition of Reason's ad proclaiming their families are "Great Without Religion." Now it's the Angelika, which said just two days ago they would run the ad at their Plano location.

But a blog post I wrote about the Angelika's decision (possibly the part which quoted DFWCoR spokesperson Zachary Moore saying it was "an Easter miracle") apparently upset some people. Moore says he received a phone call this morning from a sales rep with Spotlight Cinema Networks, the company that manages ads for the Angelika chain, informing him they were pulling the ad.

"They're caving to religious bigotry," Moore says. On their Facebook page, the DFWCoR is already calling on their members to phone the Angelika and insist the theater honor the group's contract. I have a call into Spotlight Cinema Networks and will update accordingly, when I'm not busy inadvertently ruining atheist Easter some more.



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MattL1
MattL1

I really get sick of the fucking Christians sometimes, especially on fucking Easter. 

Aaron White
Aaron White

I guess I won't be going there anymore

zombie jesus
zombie jesus

christfags whoreship a zombie as easter proves, end of discussion

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

Perhaps the Angelika was offended that atheists are being inaccurately portrayed as Amish hipsters.

Cujo
Cujo

Here's a nifty thought worthy of the great "Frank Skeffington[1]"!The money from the ads gets donated to [Charity of their choice]. The trick is to find one nobody would dare object to without looking like a complete douchebucket. I'm an asshole so I'd look for a charity that helps children molested by priests or other religious figures. But something like this would work too: http://www.amberwatchfoundatio...

It's a win-win, bay-beeeee!!

Let's see them wiggle out of that!

[1] A fictional politician from the novel "The Last Hurrah". (There's a scene where various factions want a statue of their "hero" in a city park and Skeffington appeases none of them and puts up a statue of Mother Cabrini(?) with the logic that nobody dare object to it.)

/me giggles

cp
cp

 Yup. When I had a business my partner reminded me of something his father-n-law said when we started: whenever one of your customers claims to be a Christian, hang onto your wallets!It always turned out that only the deadbeats ever said that. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and I don't remember about claiming Christianity absolving you from all responsibility, but there it is....

Cujo
Cujo

I'd run the ads and when the bible beaters come whining I'd reply this way:"So you're Christians?""Yes!""Then fucking forgive me!"

ts
ts

I'm an atheist and I really don't care if that ad is run or not. I was never swayed by a person or a group towards non-belief, nor have I ever attempted to sway another's opinion on the subject.  Frankly, non-belief isn't something that needs to be advertised to garner "converts" imho.  Let the game come to you.

Mark Davis
Mark Davis

What a bunch of wingnuts...woo woo alert!

John Perry
John Perry

If Zach weren't such an a$$, he'd have his ads running. I have the feeling he actually loves this because he gets far more publicity out of useful idiots like Anna and Fox  than the actual ads themselves. 

primi timpano
primi timpano

 Better said by better minds than mine:

"Faith is believing something you know ain't true." - Mark Twain "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church." --Ferdinand Magellan   "The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan

"And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence." - Bertrand Russell

"Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men." - Voltaire

"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means." - George Bernard Shaw

"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." - Thomas Jefferson

"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people." - James Madison

Personally I'm tired of Christians trying to convert me, warning me that my failure to accept Jesus Christ dooms me to hell, and wondering if I have had my blood analyzed to see if I am from the tribe of Levi.  I did consulting work for a company run by a group of charismatic Christians and I can assure you their religion did not prevent them from astounding ethical lapses.  Live and let live.  No one's belief is better or superior or more grounded in truth than any other's.

DaTruth
DaTruth

I hope the Angelika will also be denying the ads of all of the local churches. May as well be fair about it right?

DFW Heathen
DFW Heathen

Why can't the religious understand that these ads are not meant for them? You can even "booo" when the ads come on. BUT what is anti-American about this situation is that one group gets to dictate what the public sees. I roll my eyes when the church ads come on at the movies... and then guess what? I GET OVER IT and watch the movie I came to see!

Mickister
Mickister

It's nice to see atheists stealing from the Christian playbook. 

(1) Do something that you know is probably going to get censored.(2) Throw a huge fit that you're being censored.(3) Revel in the publicity.  

Christians used this three-pronged attack to get their message out in the first century.  They still do it in the 21st century, and now atheists do it, also. 

Brad
Brad

My perfect world would be one where people don't feel like they have to convert me to their side, whether it be their religion or their politics.  Whether it be the bumper sticker that tells me how you voted, the ad at the theater that tells me which church to go to (or not to go to), or the flyer sent to my mailbox, it'd be really nice if people would realize that my politics and my religion are personal matters to me, and that your politics and your religion should stay as personal matters to you.

ThatGuy
ThatGuy

I am a "liberal" Christian, the "love your neighbor", "judge not, lest ye be judged", "give to the poor", "feed my sheep" kind.  I have no problem with Atheist ads at the movies.  It's free speech. I don't drink Coke and I don't mind their ads. 

Albert
Albert

It's enough to make an atheist lose his faith.

Jaejae1
Jaejae1

I don't care what Atheists think any more than I care about what Islamists think. If their families are indeed fine with out a belief in a higher power, good for them. I don't need to see any movie ads proclaiming it. Atheists just like to aggravate people.

Peace
Peace

I am going to assume that  atheists do not believe in Easter or even miracles for that matter. So, when Mr. Moore makes a flippant statement that an initial decision in DFWCOR's favor to run their ads is an "Easter miracle," is he not then himself engaging in mocking and " religious bigotry" type behavior? 

This is the thing about this modern day atheists movement. They seem to have adopted the christian fundamentalists knack for obnoxiousness and judgementalism and enhanced these traits with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

misscasanova
misscasanova

The ad is focused on breaking stereotypes religious people hold against atheists (such as they worship the devil or eat babies), and also those who might be "in the closet" about their atheism. In that sense, it's good to show people "it's okay if this is what you believe/don't believe" just like spreading "it's okay to be homosexual" is a good thing as well. It doesn't mean "hey you - become gay/atheist," which is what most of the ignorant bigots are seeing.

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

Good to know that you've got telepathic powers, John. I'd much rather have had the ads run peacefully at the Angelika. Just like churches do.

Pooua
Pooua

Although a good quote can be informative and authoritative, I have found that most quotes are inaccurate, incorrect, abused to say the opposite of what the author intended or just plain fake. For example, the Magellan quote probably is fake. The first clue is that the Roman Catholic Church didn't claim the Earth was flat when Columbus sailed in 1492, much less when Magellan sailed in 1519. It is unlikely that Magellan would have made such a factual error. Another clue is that the earliest source for this quote is hundreds of years after Magellan lived.

You should always ask when and where a supposed quote was authored. If you can't find that much about it, then it probably isn't a real quote. Then, once you have found that much, you should learn about the background of the quote; why was it said and under what circumstances, and what was said before and after it. In other words, you can't make a rational use of quotes if all you do is throw around sound-bites.

Perry Moore
Perry Moore

If "no one's belief is better or superior or more grounded in truth than any other's," why are we having this conversation?

RTGolden
RTGolden

The theater is NOT the government.  Fairness is not a requirement.  Business solvency is.  Why is this such a difficult concept to understand?  Right or Wrong, there are more people offended or threatened by atheism than there are atheists.  A business would have to be run by morons to intentionally alienate the larger portion of its customer base, even if they are hypocrites.

RTGolden
RTGolden

You're confusing your principles here.  The movie theater is not a public entity.  It is not broadcasting over public airwaves nor is it funded by public monies.  As a private business, it gets to make its own decisions as to what flips up on its screens.  From a business standpoint, in Texas, it would be idiotic to alienate the vastly larger customer base that marches in step with the salvation pimping churches than to alienate the much smaller customer base of the atheists.

By protesting the ads, the church-goers are simply exercising their right to free speech, and the company is bowing to the pressure this creates.  Be patient and keep putting your message out there.  Some people, even some christians (like this one), have no problem with atheist ads, atheist posters, or atheists themselves.  Don't deride my beliefs or throw yours in my face and I'll return the respect.

John Perry
John Perry

Of course the ads are meant for the religious. They want mainstream acceptance which is just fine. CoR's pushing their views is just as obnoxious as when religious people do it. 

Jevus2006
Jevus2006

They see the word "atheist" and they immediately think that we are out to get them.  

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

 Well, in the first century there was a lot more cuttin' and burnin' and killin' in the name of faith. At least that part's improved somewhat.

Jevus2006
Jevus2006

Fine, we don't need to see Christian churches advertising then.

Albert
Albert

The just want you to know they're happy. Very happy.

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

As soon as you see me deny rights or privileges to Christians because of their beliefs, then you can call me a bigot. Until then, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Country Crock
Country Crock

I heard the pastor crack a joke from the pulpit last Sunday.  It was the old joke about atheists having their own holiday, April Fools Day.  Yes, the entire congregation laughed at them.  Then on Maundy Thursday, the entire message was the fool has said in his heart 'there's no god.'  Yep, let's talk about who is mocking whom.  Arrogant, condescending, pride-filled ministers mocking non-believers from the pulpit.  I assume they think that's what jesus would do.  Of course, this same pastor has taught his kids that the earth is only 6000 years old.  And he's making $100,000 annually of which $40,000 is tax-free housing allowance.  What a deal.

RTGolden
RTGolden

Zach, how is a theater obligated to give you equal ad time?  They're not the government, nor do they broadcast over public airwaves.  The only thing they have to do is make a profit, or they go out of business.  They don't have to appeal to a sense of fairness, they have to appeal to the largest possible audience.  Infuriating over 80% of the Texas population versus infuriating a much smaller slice?  Easy business decision, religion/politics doesn't even enter into the equation.

John Perry
John Perry

So why do you keep popping off? You're after controversy and based on the groups (one of which is actually called "Debunking Christianity") you belong to it's more about other's believes instead of fostering your own. You've become like the people you hate. 

The Angelika is a private business, their owners have the freedom to do business with anyone or no one they please. Apparently, you're bad for business. Please just stop embarrassing those of us with true atheist believes. 

primi timpano
primi timpano

 Have no idea if the attributions are 100% accurate, but the founding father quotes ring clear based on my understanding of many of their deist beliefs.  If Magellan may have been misquoted, the conflict between science and institutional biblical interpreters--from Pope whatever to Jennings Bryan, to the college educated, very bright colleague of mine--still continues.

I was raised in a very religious atmosphere but went to a very good public school.  I would probably be more devout today if a teacher or rabbi spent more time with me explaining how the secular and religious worlds can coexist without hypocrisy.

My bottom line is that if there is a god human beings will never be able to comprehend god (or gods?) absent His or Her intervention and assistance, so worship of such an entity is an incredible leap of faith.  I respect greatly those who choose to make this leap; I only wish that all people of faith and non-faith, who make similar leaps--whether "further or shorter" similarly respect the choices and practices of others.  Whereas the propensity and intensity of religious belief may be quite normal in human terms due to genetics, skepticism and doubt should be equally respected.  I wish the devoted with intricate views of heaven, hell, and the various beneficiaries of an afterlife recognize these are likewise unknowable issues and refrain from edicts of eternal damnation based on their personal unproveable beliefs.

The basics of most religions is respect and tolerance for ones fellow human being, a respect for all human life, and an obligation to assist those neighbors in trouble.  These are highly laudable values, but these values and others like them need not stand on a theistic foundation.

i would have hoped by now the questions of God's existence would be irrelevant, that the prove or disproof of His existence is impossible using common manners for establishing proof.  I believe, "wish' may be a better word, that all peoples of faith and non-deist subscribers of morals, ethics, and values would focus on the personal actions dictated by their beliefs.

Our world, and especially our nation, needs skepticism and doubt as an essential component for the mutual respect of others.  I wish more people--adherents and atheists both--would read some of the more intelligent writings on the subject, such as Karen Armstrong's excellent books.  It saddens me that atheists, who refuse to leap, do not respect the many adherents who do leap, and wish them well in their journey.  Conversely, the atheists should not be viewed perjoratively, but simply as adherents of a different world belief.

Unfortunately my wishes we all get along remain wishful in the worst notions of the term.  The Catholics fought the Protestants, the Christians and Protestants fought the Muslims, The Spanish Catholics fomented the inquisition, nearly all European societies ostracized and ghettoized the Jews, the United States turned back Jews fleeing Hitler, and the Catholics and protestants fought to the death in Northern Ireland.  Soviet Russia ran roughshod over its religious communities, perhaps worse than the Czar's pogroms decimated its Jews. Today many of our Middle Eastern conflicts and risks are based on the differences of various Muslim religious sects.

Atheism would not solve these problems,  People being people will find lines of differences to instill conflict--e.g., our own Civil War--but in our country especially, one uniquely founded on a set of common secular values, prominently including the tolerance of all religions, we seem to have forgotten from whence we came.  Love thy neighbor as thyself has become a weekend service shibboleth as has the Golden Rule.

I find it all quite sad and unnecessarily so.  We should understand that those who require commonly accepted standards of factual proof as much as we respect the many different religions which adopt faiths absence of these types of proof.

Last week Frank Bruni published an amazing letter from a former dorm mate.  To me, it shows how goodness can spring from religion while still leaving the religion behind,  And the true measure of a man and women is how he treats and respects others, no matter how antithetical the other's religious and political may be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03...

Montemalone
Montemalone

Apparently their faith ain't that strong, or they're hip to the fact that religion is a crock, and can't have reality interfering with their scam.

Guest
Guest

 

Well. Yes." a-, "meaning without theism. Thus they have kinda set them upas an opposing pole to theism. Atheism being merely a response to theism limitsits existence to whether theism exists or not. On the other hand, Theism doesnot require atheism to exist.

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Steven
Steven

New Ad: "Obnoxious Without Religion"Church response: "This mocks our obnoxiousness!"

Turns out people are all the same no matter what their belief / lack of belief.

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

Unless you're offering legal advice, I'd rather wait and see if a judge agrees.

I can't imagine a theater being legally allowed to refuse ads that show African-Americans either, but I'm willing to be unpleasantly surprised.

PlanoDave
PlanoDave

That section of the Civil Rights Act applies to providing access to the public accommodation.  In this case, the movie being shown.

I'm pretty sure that the Angelika would be happy to sell you a ticket.

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

According to Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, businesses that provide "public accommodation" (movie theaters are included explicitly in this group) may not discriminate on the basis of religious preference.

Scruffygeist
Scruffygeist

99% of that 80% wouldn't give a rat's ass. It's only the insecure loudmouths that will spin freedom of religion into freedom of their religion.

Christians can't even decide which is the proper denomination--they're going to unite to take down a movie theater company for showing atheist ads?

misscasanova
misscasanova

FYI John, there's no such thing as a "true atheist," a "true Christian" or a "true Scotsman" either. You probably don't know that you're using a hugely unfounded, illogical argumental fallacy and that's why they're not even really trying to tackle your claim (of them not being "true atheists").

John Perry
John Perry

I guess I'm making too much sense if you have to play white knight for Zach. 

John Perry
John Perry

I guess you couldn't come up with an argument against my other points. This is more about you and your personal grudges than anything. A true atheist isn't afraid of Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc like you seem to be. 

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

I'm glad to know that you're able to decide who is a "true atheist" and who isn't. Thanks for showing us how to ape the fundamentalists the right way!

Country Crock
Country Crock

John, since you find it easy to sling mud and personal attacks on a forum, I suggest you meet Zach personally do discuss your concerns.  Zach is a reasonable man who would gladly meet you at Starbucks or some other location so you could freely call him an ass to his face.  He's a pretty nice guy. 

Pooua
Pooua

Caesar does not have the right or authority to demand that people disobey God. The government does not have the right to require people to violate their consciences. Your complaints about tax exemption don't match the gravity of what the Obama Administration is trying to do.

RTGolden
RTGolden

I'd rather do away with non-profit status for any organization based on religious grounds.  If the church runs an orphanage or a hospital or something of that nature, let them form a separate non-profit corporation to administer it.  Other organizations do it.  Jesus even said: "give to God what belongs to God, give to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar".

If churches don't want to give up what amounts to a government subsidy for land, buildings and payroll, then they have no ground upon which to howl and whine about having to provide birth control for their employees.

Country Crock
Country Crock

I don't see what your point is. Churches not only receive tax free income but receive tax breaks on property taxes which a 501c3 does not receive. Also, the church leadership can receive most of his income tax free as housing allowance. Leaders of a 501c3 do not receive those same benefits.

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

Three are explicitly registered with the IRS as being tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3). One is implicitly covered by that section, having been granted church status by the state of Texas.

cp
cp

 If they are a 501 c 3 (which I think is the only one they cane be), then yes.

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

Nope. Four member organizations in the DFWCoR are registered nonprofits.

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